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00:06:49How are we doing? Good evening, it's a pleasure to greet you. I'm Fernando del Rincón, welcome,
00:06:52welcome to Conclusiones, thank you for joining me,
00:06:55this, this like every night, of course, today
00:06:59we continue with this coverage, follow-up, whatever you want
00:07:02to call it, the tragedy that occurred in Colombia due to
00:07:06this earthquake, which of course still has many
00:07:09rescuers, many people with hope
00:07:13of rescuing someone who is still alive under the
00:07:17rubble, we hope the same, of course, the numbers keep
00:07:21changing, uh, the window, the window, look, I'm going to
00:07:24tell you something, scientifically, no, let's
00:07:28put it this way, scientifically, there is a 72-hour window,
00:07:32but in my own experience,
00:07:36in the earthquakes I've been in and in more recent ones, for
00:07:40example, in Venezuela, there are cases. particular cases in which
00:07:43those 72 hours are exceeded, sometimes by much
00:07:47more, and people are still found alive,
00:07:50and we hope that this will be the case, of
00:07:53course, what comes next will be complicated,
00:07:56reconstruction, uh, locating all the people who will not
00:08:00be able to return to their homes due to structural
00:08:03damage, uh, continuing
00:08:06to provide follow-up to those
00:08:10who are injured in serious
00:08:13condition, critical condition, uh, in short, it
00:08:16is a titanic
00:08:20end, at the moment,
00:08:22unfortunately, I have to say, that happens in the news
00:08:26cycle, right? Normally when a point is
00:08:29reached where it's practically rubble removal,
00:08:33uh, other news begins to gain more
00:08:37importance, one forgets, uh, but the
00:08:41tragedy continues for months, a long time
00:08:44sometimes, uh, why? Well, because
00:08:47there's much more to do, where do all those
00:08:51people who lost their homes go? Where do they go? And let's suppose they are in a temporary shelter, but
00:08:55what then? And they have to demolish the building, they have to demolish the
00:08:59house, where do they go then? And
00:09:02what if they had insurance, didn't have insurance, those injured people
00:09:05who will have sequelae, for example, this is a
00:09:09task that demands
00:09:13a lot, of course, we try to follow
00:09:17up over time, open
00:09:19spaces, not only for support, for help, but so that
00:09:23you can understand the dimension of a tragedy of this type, so we don't take
00:09:27our finger off the line, we continue to monitor it, of
00:09:30course, I bring you the most recent information then about what
00:09:34has happened there in Colombia, let's go on
00:09:36with it.
00:09:49and coldly these catastrophes are measured in
00:09:52numbers, normally eh, at the end of the day one cannot
00:09:56forget that these numbers are brothers, sisters,
00:09:59parents, children, grandparents, eh,
00:10:02etcetera, they are human beings, yes, it is important
00:10:06to also bring that sensitivity and not just talk about numbers of
00:10:09victims of Monday's earthquake in Colombia. Eh, they are human
00:10:13beings who have lost their lives, so far, according to official
00:10:17figures, 281,
00:10:20281 people who have died, who have lost their lives, who
00:10:24have died in this earthquake, almost 4,000
00:10:27injured, imagine that, 400 injured and there are still at least
00:10:30379 people missing,
00:10:34these figures are arriving, I tell you, when the so-called
00:10:37golden window closes or when it is closing in these hours, the
00:10:41golden window that
00:10:44I repeat, scientifically, so to speak, or biologically, according
00:10:48to the body's resistance, the human being, etcetera, the conditions of being under
00:10:51rubble, it would be those 72 hours, that
00:10:54golden window is when the best probabilities
00:10:57or possibilities of rescuing people who have been trapped are present.
00:11:12In Cali, in Cali, rescue teams and volunteers continue to search for
00:11:15survivors, as I mentioned at the beginning, but as I
00:11:19already told you, after those first 72 hours, the
00:11:22response between. let's
00:11:26see, between what has been achieved in previous days and this phase becomes
00:11:30much more difficult, yes, in several places
00:11:33search efforts have already been suspended,
00:11:36so the search and rescue stage
00:11:40moves on to what I already told you, which is rubble
00:11:43removal and possible recovery of bodies, uh,
00:11:47these decisions are made according
00:11:50to the scenario, the search and rescue efforts
00:11:54that have been made in each place, of course some
00:11:58will decide to do it earlier, others will take longer,
00:12:01depending also on the size of the building, the people
00:12:05who lived there, etcetera, each one is handled
00:12:08individually, differently, not all can be
00:12:11managed in the same way, no, on the other
00:12:15hand, I tell you, a second team of rescuers from the United States arrived on Thursday in
00:12:19Colombia to support the efforts, the
00:12:22USAR ITB team from the Los Angeles Fire Department will
00:12:26work together with the USA ONE group and will also conduct
00:12:29evaluations of affected structures to determine which ones are
00:12:33safe for operations. The deployment of the teams
00:12:36was announced by the US State Department. Their mission, according to authorities,
00:12:40is to technically support Colombia and help save
00:12:43lives, although well, stories of devastation
00:12:47abound, there are also some of resistance, resilience,
00:12:51like that of this family in Pereira who lost their
00:12:54home but managed to save themselves together,
00:12:57including their pet. Fernando
00:13:00Ramos has this
00:13:01testimony for us.
00:13:05Don Mario García, 81 years old, has spent several
00:13:08nights here. He has nothing. This was his
00:13:11home where he had lived for the
00:13:14last 10 years. It was five stories and only
00:13:18this is left here in Pereira, a story of life and a miracle,
00:13:22not only the whole family was saved, but also
00:13:25Maki, a pet who is
00:13:28also an example of life, because she has survived
00:13:32cancer, one of her paws was amputated and now
00:13:35she also survived this earthquake, because
00:13:39that's our prayer, Don Mario, Maki was
00:13:42saved, yes, we were saved, the dog got
00:13:46trapped, but we got her out alive, where did she get trapped?
00:13:49Up there, on the second floor, I was calling the dog to
00:13:52come out and it was shaking like
00:13:56a tree in a storm, so
00:13:59I was calling it and well, we
00:14:02were on the top floor and
00:14:05everyone came out, I, I daddy, come out and he
00:14:09flew out with me and he got into bed and
00:14:12that building that was throwing me to the ground and no,
00:14:14there, the dog, when I went down to the
00:14:18floor below, I couldn't walk because it was wall to
00:14:21wall, when I was going to take two stairs down, I
00:14:25didn't make it out because that beam broke.
00:14:29Under these rubble there are several vehicles that also
00:14:33got trapped, this is already unrecoverable, nobody can
00:14:36live here, but all this shows that despite what
00:14:40happens in a tragedy like this, the power of
00:14:43love, the will to live can do
00:14:46anything,
00:14:48I want to go to the second floor, waiting for the last one to come down, when the last
00:14:52one came down and everything was about to fall, I thought that dad
00:14:56had already left, when I was last and I ran down, I said, "Okay, my God, everyone came out, Mom shouted
00:15:00at me, "Dad is inside! Dad is inside!" When Mom shouted at me, the building
00:15:03was about to collapse, so I saw that Dad was already
00:15:07going down the stairs, holding on like that, and the building was
00:15:11doing this. When Dad was about a meter from the bottom,
00:15:14he froze, and I said, "Dad, come out! Dad, come out, it's going
00:15:18to fall!" And he couldn't. So I came from
00:15:21outside here, I quickly jumped over and grabbed him
00:15:25from here and pulled him out quickly and pulled him outside. As soon
00:15:29as I pulled him out of there, the whole building came down at
00:15:32once. So the dog was still there, so I
00:15:36started looking around to make sure no one was missing, and my mom told me, "The dog is inside! The dog is inside!"
00:15:40And I said, "Mom, don't tell me that!" And I immediately threw myself over here, and we
00:15:44all threw ourselves into it and started digging to remove the bricks, and we pulled him, we
00:15:47pulled him out, no, thank God, when we got him out of here alive, my
00:15:51God, it was a blessing for our salvation, that
00:15:54little dog, and the paw that she's missing, and the paw that
00:15:58I would like to put on her, but it costs a lot of money and we don't have
00:16:01anywhere to put it. Well, the story of this humble family
00:16:05and their pet Maki is that of many here in the city of Pereira,
00:16:09one of the most affected by the earthquake and where the highest
00:16:12number of victims have been reported. There is no electricity
00:16:16service, no gas, no water in several sectors
00:16:19of this city, for CNN, Fernando Ramos, Pereira
00:16:23Colombia.
00:16:27Thanks to my colleague Fernando Ramos for this story. Look, to
00:16:30help, I always tell you, no matter how much
00:16:34it is, it's very important to understand. You say, oh, it's very
00:16:38little that I have, no, it's a lot when it's added to what we
00:16:41can all do, so to help the victims of the earthquake in Colombia,
00:16:45please go to
00:16:48excuse me, to cn
00:16:49e.com slash impacta, there's the
00:16:53address, cnn.com slash
00:16:56impacta, there you'll find ways
00:16:59to donate, especially, you know what, to charitable
00:17:02organizations present on the ground safely,
00:17:04providing assistance.
00:17:08it's cnn.com
00:17:10slash cnne.com slash impacta, it's on
00:17:14screen, hopefully, hopefully you can join these very
00:17:17important aids. Thank
00:17:19you very much in advance.
00:17:28Excuse me, I'm just getting over a horrible cold, so
00:17:31I'm having a little trouble with my throat.
00:17:36join me from this moment forward. using
00:17:38the hashtag #concludeeg
00:17:41your comments on my X account @fdelrin@soyf
00:17:45delrincón, I'll explain what it's about, it's about Colombia, yes, it has nothing to do with the
00:17:49earthquake because important announcements are also being made amidst this
00:17:52earthquake, pay attention. possibilities
00:18:32that just a few days ago seemed impossible, I'm talking about the Petro government,
00:18:35from a meeting in Panama, the official announced that the
00:18:39president of Colombia, Avelardo del Esprieya, has already requested that his
00:18:43country join the regional initiative in the fight against what
00:18:46they call narcoterrorism.
00:18:49CNN requested comments from the Ministry of Defense about the announcement, we are
00:18:53waiting for a response, but they also didn't say no,
00:18:56uh, the Minister of Defense of Colombia, Jorge Mora, was actually
00:19:00present at that meeting. With this decision, Colombia joins
00:19:04other countries in the region that gave the green light
00:19:07to the northern neighbor, the United States, for coordination
00:19:11and in some cases, the action of the military forces. Ecuador is the clearest
00:19:14example, right? It's the country that has made it most clear, but also Honduras
00:19:18and Guatemala that are heading
00:19:22precisely in the same direction, let's do a recap if you
00:19:25like of these alliances so you can see how much this collaboration is expanding
00:19:29from the United States, from the US government with Latin American
00:19:32countries, it's the coalition of the Americas against cartels,
00:19:35which is already being referred to as
00:19:38A3C, it was announced, do you remember, at a
00:19:42meeting that took place here in the United
00:19:46the Americas, there were 19 members at that
00:19:49time, it carries out joint operations currently in
00:19:52Ecuador, which is the first country to operate alongside the United States in its territory,
00:19:56it has been in force since March 2026,
00:20:00those who have authorized operations are still in process, so
00:20:03then Colombia, which has just authorized joint
00:20:07military operations, and Honduras,
00:20:10which is negotiating the deployment of troops and they say
00:20:14it's going well, while Guatemala has already
00:20:17requested cooperation, but still denies foreign forces in
00:20:21its territory, and from the Panamanian jungle, Hexett
00:20:25explained that any group that traffics drugs or threatens
00:20:28the United States or its allies will be considered a military
00:20:32target, therefore he said that they would deploy the
00:20:35same tactics against
00:20:38those they use to combat groups they consider terrorists,
00:20:41meaning that they will attack them as if they were ISIS
00:20:45or al-Qaeda,
00:20:47listen.
00:21:06Now what does this alliance imply in
00:21:08terms of sovereignty,
00:21:12no, this,
00:21:15of independence but also of dependence in
00:21:18defense. effect of the United States
00:21:22in the legislative
00:21:25sphere, because this has many
00:21:28ramifications, yes, there are powers that come from the
00:21:32executive to be able to collaborate with
00:21:35different countries, in this case the United States, no, this,
00:21:38but there are also other variants of those agreements that have to go through
00:21:42the legislature and the legislature would have to approve,
00:21:46authorize, in short, it is very complex.
00:21:50to understand one thing, there is collaboration from the United States from
00:21:53a long time ago with Colombia,
00:21:56now that there are US
00:22:00troops, that is, US soldiers in Colombian
00:22:03territory who are going to participate operationally,
00:22:07uh, to go, I don't know, after the FARC dissidents,
00:22:10to give an example, yes, what does it imply, what
00:22:14dependence begins to be generated by
00:22:17Colombia,
00:22:21the participation of the US government and how
00:22:24that can also become an element of
00:22:27control, we are having
00:22:30success
00:22:32precisely with this collaboration, because now we have
00:22:36more equipment, different troops, this
00:22:38etcetera, what happens if at some
00:22:42point due to some disagreement that
00:22:45starts to be withdrawn, would Colombia have the same capacity
00:22:48only? These are issues that need to be analyzed, we will discuss them with
00:22:52my guest, of course, so let's go with
00:22:55him,
00:22:59a welcome to Luis Alberto Villamarín, retired lieutenant colonel of the
00:23:03me, eh, it's always a pleasure to have you, how are you,
00:23:07welcome, good evening Fernando, thank you very much for inviting
00:23:10me,
00:23:13on the contrary, Lieutenant Colonel, it's always a pleasure to have you here on the show, listen,
00:23:16uh, let's see, first tell me, do you
00:23:20approve, do you think it's a great idea, do you
00:23:23think it's necessary for Colombia,
00:23:26well, at least for Avelardo del Esprieya's agenda, but
00:23:29you, who have precisely experienced the confrontation with armed
00:23:32groups outside the law, eh, do you see this as the
00:23:36solution? It's part of the solution,
00:23:40Fernando, it's necessary because Colombia lost a
00:23:43great capacity, the United States was contributing to the
00:23:47maintenance of aircraft, satellite intelligence,
00:23:50troop training, operational advice,
00:23:53and satellite intelligence at the
00:23:57the details, and that's why it was possible to eliminate Mono Jojoy,
00:24:00Alfonso Cano, and the other leaders of drug trafficking and
00:24:04terrorism. We believe that at this moment there is a bit of speculation
00:24:08beyond, perhaps Mr. Hexett's words were not the
00:24:11most appropriate, because combined operations with United States
00:24:15troops are not going to be carried out. The Colombian troops have the
00:24:19capacity, what is missing is the equipment that
00:24:22was lent to us in previous governments before Petro's,
00:24:25but with all the known problems, Petro did was block
00:24:29that aid, so in terms of
00:24:32whether it's needed, yes, the scope is not what is
00:24:36said in the media, because Colombian laws don't
00:24:39allow it either, eh, foreign troops could not operate
00:24:42here. Exactly. Uh, excuse
00:24:47Lieutenant, that's what I was saying at the beginning.
00:24:51Operations can happen.
00:24:53There are certain
00:24:55liberties that the executive can take regarding collaboration, but there are others that have
00:24:59to be controlled by the legislative branch. That is, the executive
00:25:02cannot say, "Come on, let's collaborate, bring troops, let's
00:25:06go to the mountains and fight with the Americans." That's
00:25:10impossible. He presents it in a very simplistic way,
00:25:13Pitset, and the background is much more complex.
00:25:16No, of course, Fernando, let's also look at it from the
00:25:20US side. Mr. Trump would not forgive it if the FARC,
00:25:23the ELN, or the Gulf Clan killed a soldier who entered here, and
00:25:27if they haven't sent ground troops to Iran where there are such
00:25:31great interests, that's already global security,
00:25:34oil, economy, etcetera, and they don't dare to send them
00:25:38for that reason, much less would they do it here and much less
00:25:40in a pre-election stage, here we see a media
00:25:44and semiotic handling of selling a
00:25:47lot of smoke around that and giving
00:25:51the appearance of a very large action,
00:25:54but neither the United States commits nor would Colombia
00:25:57tolerate it. Mr.
00:25:58Deraspiella
00:26:01uh, that's. I'm going to ask you that and you'll answer me after the
00:26:05break, are you 100%
00:26:08sure, Lieutenant Colonel, are you 100%
00:26:11sure that Avelardo del Espriella would not allow it,
00:26:15are you 100% sure, I ask you because of the
00:26:18profile and the approach
00:26:21and in short, many signs from Avelardo del Espriella
00:26:25regarding collaboration with the United States, no, are you sure
00:26:28and what would be the consequences of for the first
00:26:32time, if Avelardo del Espriella
00:26:35were willing, let's say after the break, if you agree, Lieutenant
00:26:39Colonel Villamarín is with me, retired Lieutenant Colonel
00:26:43of the Colombian army, I'll hear your answer after the
00:26:45break.
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00:30:09I continue to talk with Luis Alberto Villamarín, retired lieutenant colonel of the Colombian
00:30:13army, and I asked him because, for example,
00:30:17the Guatemalan government was very blunt, right? In
00:30:20terms of, "Okay, there will be collaboration, but there will be no
00:30:23foreign troops ever." They settled
00:30:26it right away from the Ministry of Defense, I don't know if
00:30:30it's due to the occupation of the... urgency that is feasible, it could
00:30:34be, they haven't settled it that way, so I ask you if you are
00:30:37you are completely sure, Lieutenant Colonel, that that
00:30:41is not the only idea that Abelardo de la Espriella has, in what
00:30:44sense, we have seen it since the
00:30:47campaign and all this time open
00:30:51completely to any approach and unprecedented collaboration
00:30:54even with the United States, so I don't know
00:30:58to doubt that...