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00:02:42How are you, good evening, it's a pleasure to greet you, I'm Fernando del Rincón, welcome, welcome to
00:02:46Conclusiones, thank you for joining me tonight as every
00:02:49night, today is Friday, it's Friday and some, some of
00:02:52us survived the week, remember, don't throw it away,
00:02:56don't throw it away,
00:02:58of course, there are testimonies in this weekend is going to be very
00:03:01busy, there is breaking news that I'm going to tell you about
00:03:04Indonesia, but we're also going to be talking throughout this hour about
00:03:08Mexico, there are important
00:03:10events that concern us, one has to do with
00:03:13the son of former president Andrés Manuel López
00:03:16Obrador, Andrés López Beltrán, Andy as he is
00:03:20known, the US revokes his visa, sends a letter to
00:03:23Trump, in short, I'm not going to give you more details because I'm
00:03:26running out of time, the other thing I have about Mexico is this list.
00:03:30this list of journalists who publish in the
00:03:33morning press conference, specifically Luisa
00:03:37María Alcalde, who is the legal
00:03:41you a word and after advisor to president Claudia Sheinbaum or of the movement, eh,
00:03:44Morena, now
00:03:47Claudia, eh, total repudiation by all these journalists, of
00:03:50course, in a country where journalists are assassinated
00:03:53and exposed with names and surnames in a
00:03:56segment or a section that he calls
00:04:00the right of
00:04:01reply,
00:04:04eh, there was no reply for the journalists, obviously, no,
00:04:08in short, these are the two topics, but I'm going quickly with this breaking
00:04:12journalist and Mexican politician who accompanies news,
00:04:12let's go,
00:04:19and it's a 7.7 magnitude earthquake in Indonesia,
00:04:227.7, imagine the intensity of this
00:04:26earthquake, eh, a local tsunami alert is issued immediately.
00:04:30There are three aftershocks of up to magnitude
00:04:346.1, that is, the main one was
00:04:387.7, then there were aftershocks and they reached
00:04:41up to 6.1, these are at
00:04:45least three aftershocks that have been recorded afterwards, the authorities
00:04:48asked to stay away from beaches and rivers and move to
00:04:52higher
00:04:54of Pereira, and eh what areas, the US Geological Survey estimates that some 500, people
00:04:58500,000 people. may have been exposed to
00:05:01strong or severe movements, you
00:05:04know that Indonesia has a history of devastating earthquakes, in
00:05:082004 a 9.1 magnitude earthquake in Sumatra caused
00:05:12the death of more than
00:05:14the coasts of the Indian Ocean, more than half of the
00:05:17victims were in Indonesia, we will be
00:05:21closely monitoring the information that is generated regarding
00:05:25this earthquake, I repeat, breaking news in Indonesia
00:05:297.7, there is a tsunami alert and there have already been
00:05:33at least three aftershocks, one of them reached
00:05:366.1, of course, we are following up
00:05:39then also on the earthquake that
00:05:42occurred in Colombia,
00:05:52the official death toll for the 7.4 magnitude earthquake that shook
00:05:56western Colombia this Monday slightly increased from 281 that I reported
00:06:00yesterday to 288 today
00:06:03Friday, according to the national unit for disaster
00:06:07risk management, almost 400 people were injured,
00:06:11400 are still missing,
00:06:13the earthquake affected hundreds of municipalities in
00:06:1615 departments, for example, in Pereira, where
00:06:20the affected have improvised camps with tarps and
00:06:23ropes among the trees, while volunteers prepare meals
00:06:27over bonfires and such is the case,
00:06:30such is the case of Brian Alberto
00:06:33Ceballo, he claims that he lost his business, his
00:06:36motorcycle, in short and as he himself says, he lost
00:06:40everything, the authorities. 66
00:06:44buildings completely collapsed, only in
00:06:47Pereira, eh, only in Pereira, 66,
00:06:51while the need for food grows, of course,
00:06:54as I told you yesterday, tents, lanterns, blankets, here
00:06:57is where I told you and I underlined it, the
00:07:01emergency extends and it will be many months
00:07:05in which the affected will have to be attended to, of course, the injured
00:07:08too, those people who have nowhere
00:07:11to return, the president of Colombia, Abelardo del Espriella, visited
00:07:15Pereira and from there he addressed some words,
00:07:17listen: I know that the situation is
00:07:21apocalyptic, walking through the center of Pereira,
00:07:25walking through the city, it breaks one's
00:07:28heart, but Colombians are used to
00:07:31growing in the midst of adversity and let's say
00:07:34that we have never had it easy and
00:07:38believe me that this situation will not be too big for us, we are going
00:07:42to do everything that needs to be done by the national
00:07:45government to rebuild our country and that
00:07:48reconstruction we do it together
00:07:51and
00:07:55also from Pereira thousands of families still hold
00:07:58out hope of finding their loved ones among the rubble, the search
00:08:02continues for many of them, while others
00:08:05try to rebuild their lives after losing
00:08:09everything. My colleague Fernando Ramos shows us. Three, three
00:08:13different faces of this very hard
00:08:15reality. Families maintain
00:08:18hope until the last hour, as in the case of Juan
00:08:22Felipe Giraldo, who is in one of these hotels in the downtown
00:08:26area of Pereira, and they have searched for him, his father has
00:08:30remained there with the rescuers, with all the
00:08:33staff who are trying to lift tons of
00:08:36cement, with living faith and with the hope that he is still
00:08:40alive, yes, that's a hotel where all his friends stayed, those
00:08:43who came here to sell merchandise, and he
00:08:47arrived when, he arrived Monday at 4 in the morning, and what have they
00:08:51told him, that there is
00:08:54life, that they heard voices, that
00:08:57no one has been rescued, in fact, he was going to get married this Saturday or
00:09:01Sunday, he was going to get married, yes, and in
00:09:04the midst of that tragedy the solidarity of Colombians emerges,
00:09:07thousands of volunteers have been day and
00:09:11night helping. to be able to rescue people alive from under
00:09:15the rubble, others unfortunately who have also
00:09:17died, many pets and they do it because
00:09:21they really want to
00:09:23give some help and bring
00:09:26hope to the families, well it's very sad, very
00:09:30sad to feel that there is a person under
00:09:33some rubble of something and to have
00:09:37to be more than 50 to try to be able to get someone
00:09:41out, for example. what happened just now, the
00:09:44moment of silence, that moment of silence feels very heavy, very
00:09:47heavy, because it's knowing, it's thinking that there could be someone who could
00:09:51answer you, it's knowing that there could be someone alive that you
00:09:54can help, what lesson does this tragedy leave you, I'm doing what
00:09:58I would like them to do for me,
00:10:01this is an area devastated by the earthquake in the city
00:10:07we see are these buildings as they have been left, everything
00:10:10came down from... waking up and finding
00:10:14the dreams of a lifetime like this, it's very sad, if you understand me, it's sadder
00:10:18for the families who are missing, so many people who are lost
00:10:21right now and well, thank God we are alive. but
00:10:25for you to come to your business and find something like this is
00:10:28devastating, there are many people missing, right
00:10:31now there are too many people missing, honestly the
00:10:34number of people is not known, but if there are too many people
00:10:37affected anywhere in the city wherever you walk or
00:10:41go you will find this panorama. The
00:10:44government has declared an economic emergency to be able to have resources and
00:10:48help the people who have been affected in
00:10:51Pereira, in Cali, in Manizales, in Buenaventura.
00:10:57Meanwhile, international aid continues
00:10:59to arrive,
00:11:03thanks to Fernando Ramos who presents
00:11:06it to us, well, you know how many faces of tragedy
00:11:10there are, we wouldn't have space to present them to you, each
00:11:13one is particular, each one needs attention, each one has the
00:11:17same importance, and that is why I also ask you and I have asked you
00:11:21all week that if you have any way to help the victims of the earthquake
00:11:25in Colombia, don't think about it, do it, no,
00:11:28don't think if it's a lot or a little, help is
00:11:31help in whatever quantity and form
00:11:36cnne.com,
00:11:39slash impact, I repeat it to you, cnne.com slash
00:11:42impact, there, there you will find ways to
00:11:46donate, but safely,
00:11:49yes, this is very important, sometimes you don't know
00:11:53who to donate to? donate because
00:11:56you have doubts, we have seen so many things, but well, here we
00:12:00have done the work for you, there is the information so that
00:12:04you can donate safely to charitable organizations that
00:12:08are present on the ground, no, which is very important,
00:12:11they are also there, so they know the needs firsthand and
00:12:14are providing assistance to the affected, so visit it
00:12:17it's CNN E.com slash
00:12:20impact help, help if you have the time right
00:12:24now. Go, no matter how little it is, believe me it's
00:12:28a lot for those who need it, let's go with the
00:12:31first topic of tonight
00:12:32in full,
00:12:38so I ask you from this moment on to accompany me using the hashtag #concluvisa, the
00:12:41hashtag is #concluvisa, your comments my account on x @soyfdelrincon, that's
00:12:45the account on x@soyfdelrincon #concluvisa, that's the
00:12:49hashtag, let's see Andrés Manuel López
00:12:52Beltrán. as he is known because it also bothers him a lot, but well
00:12:58this is how he is known, the vox
00:13:01populi is Andy,
00:13:04but well he is the son of the former president of Mexico Andrés Manuel López Obrador, well you didn't
00:13:07know, so he announced that the United States
00:13:11canceled his visa,
00:13:14listen, this is not a simple consular process, the matter has become of course
00:13:18a political issue in Mexico. in
00:13:22particular
00:13:25due to the possible connotations
00:13:28regarding the relationship with the United States, also, this,
00:13:32that's how president
00:13:34Claudia Sheinbaum has interpreted it, much
00:13:37more Andy, no, of course, López Beltrán
00:13:41assures that the decision was made by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and
00:13:44Undersecretary Christopher Landau, who is
00:13:48a former US Ambassador to Mexico, CNN has
00:13:50already consulted the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security. So far they have not given
00:13:54us a response, but let's see, the son
00:13:57of Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the former president, said that it
00:14:00was an unfounded measure, so he sent
00:14:03a letter, he sent a three-page letter to
00:14:06Donald Trump, he published it on his Instagram account, it is
00:14:10directly for President Donald Trump, he
00:14:13questions eh, he questions his officials, the
00:14:17ones I already mentioned, Landau and Marco
00:14:20Rubio, and there are some phrases that are.
00:14:23memorable in this letter, no, I don't know
00:14:27if he thought the letter would help him in any way, but as
00:14:30it is written, believe me it will do nothing but help him,
00:14:34no, it's like he goes through different states of mind in this letter, I'm going to
00:14:38read part of this letter, fragments of this letter, open quotes,
00:14:42it says: this decision is political, rather
00:14:45politicking and propagandistic in the
00:14:48Hitlerian style, because there is no reason that
00:14:51justifies such arrogant behavior, that is one of
00:14:55the fragments, imagine that, in the Hitlerian
00:14:58style, says eh, Andy,
00:15:01well, there's another fragment, open quotes, it says, the fact of
00:15:05taking away my visa is nothing more than a crude and perverse villainy by
00:15:09these officials and other hawks who are strictly neither
00:15:12diplomats nor politicians, close
00:15:16quotes, in short, more or less that's the tone
00:15:20in different states of mind, López Beltrán assures in the letter
00:15:24that... he doesn't care about the prohibition to enter the United
00:15:27States, especially in these times that he
00:15:30describes, he describes these times in the United States, he says, now
00:15:34open quotes, decadent and lamentable.
00:15:38hatred, racism, drug addiction,
00:15:41family disintegration, social nonconformity and
00:15:44sadness, close quotes, those are the times
00:15:46that Andrés, Andy, Andrés
00:15:50López Beltrán, says are lived in the United States, and he challenges
00:15:53President Trump directly asking him if he knew about the
00:15:57matter, among other questions he asks
00:16:01Donald Trump, so well, the president of
00:16:03Mexico, steps up.
00:16:07answers a question in her morning press conference
00:16:10about this matter well, she gives it a political
00:16:14or politicking blow as Andy says,
00:16:17listen to her,
00:16:19this visa cancellation that they have
00:16:21made, they call it politically
00:16:25exposed persons,
00:16:28it has an essentially
00:16:30political meaning,
00:16:36because it is not equal for all
00:16:39countries, if its meaning
00:16:41were
00:16:45related to delinquency
00:16:47or with some proof of some
00:16:50issue
00:16:53related to the entry of a citizen to the United
00:16:55States,
00:16:59no, it's not equal, he says, how would it be
00:17:02equal, is the question that I, I heard, no and
00:17:06I said. how would it be equal,
00:17:08what would be equal, eh,
00:17:12for Claudia Sheinbaum, no, how would it be equal, but well, the party also
00:17:16reacted, of course, Morena National Regeneration Movement
00:17:19that López Obrador founded and of which López Beltrán, his son, was one
00:17:23of its leaders, after his father retired,
00:17:27Morena says that it rejects what they called the use of
00:17:30migratory instruments as mechanisms of
00:17:33interference, let's see, look, in reality the United States has
00:17:37every right, as Mexico also has, eh, as any
00:17:40country, to deny, cancel,
00:17:44this, not to allow entry to its territory, that is
00:17:47discretionary, that depends on the country and for the
00:17:51reasons it wants and for whatever reasons, any country has its
00:17:54right, but in the case of this
00:17:57profile, the measure has political echoes, of course, he is the son
00:18:01of former president Andrés Manuel López Obrador,
00:18:04now, here there are two aspects,
00:18:08no, is it
00:18:11political, as Andrés says, as
00:18:15Andy says, as Claudia, the president of
00:18:18Mexico, says, or is there something more
00:18:20behind it, you understand me,
00:18:23no, I don't know, we already asked
00:18:26the US government, they have responded to us,
00:18:30but we don't know, we don't
00:18:32know if there's something more, for now I'm going to tell you one thing, Christopher
00:18:35Landau eh, has mocked, let's say
00:18:39that, Andy's response and says,
00:18:43paraphrasing him, that if they liked this first part, they should prepare
00:18:47for the second, what will the second part be, what else
00:18:50well, in short, there are
00:18:53convenient readings and others that are
00:18:56not, but what is the most accurate, we are going to talk to a good
00:18:59friend, who is in Mexico and invited me tonight.
00:19:02and it's my esteemed Beatriz Pajés, she is a
00:19:08journalist, also a Mexican politician, Beatriz, welcome and thank
00:19:11you for accepting this invitation, good evening, nice to see you, delighted Fernando, a pleasure
00:19:15to greet you,
00:19:16likewise Beatriz, two
00:19:19interpretations, no, the one that suits Morena,
00:19:24Andy, is this is a political issue, not to
00:19:27attack the party, the movement, the president, but on the other
00:19:31hand the United States usually
00:19:34has things. in the closet, there may be an
00:19:37investigation against Andy, eh, of López Obrador's
00:19:40inner circle, it's something that has also been strongly
00:19:44rumored, what's your take on
00:19:47this, which is evidently high
00:19:51profile, of course Fernando, look, it's undoubtedly a very
00:19:54revealing letter, I'm going, if you allow me, from the least
00:19:56to the most, first, well, it is, as you just
00:20:00said, a badly written, careless
00:20:03letter. made with bile, without correct
00:20:07syntax, it lacks the style, the
00:20:11minimum form that should be used when one
00:20:14refers, when addressing a head of state, in this
00:20:18case president Trump, second
00:20:21he says he speaks, he addresses president Trump with
00:20:24respect, but that's the least he does, in
00:20:28reality he falls into vulgarities, he throws
00:20:31very, very delicate accusations, he tells him that his
00:20:34officials are a bunch of hawks who are
00:20:37surrounded by gang leaders dedicated to
00:20:40spying, harassing, intervening in other governments
00:20:44that pay for their political campaigns with the sale
00:20:47of weapons. what's more, Fernando, he almost
00:20:51nothing against the American people, he says
00:20:54that American society is in decline, that families
00:20:58are disintegrated, and the letter, third
00:21:01point, the letter exposes, I would tell you,
00:21:04an Andy López Beltrán completely
00:21:08out of touch with reality, he
00:21:11believes that because his father was
00:21:14president of Mexico, he has the
00:21:17hierarchy to demand from the president.
00:21:20Trump not only that he give him an explanation of
00:21:24why his visa was revoked, but that he
00:21:27fire, imagine that, a common
00:21:30man, an ordinary citizen who has no
00:21:34political office at this time
00:21:38within the Mexican government, he
00:21:40demands that President Trump fire
00:21:44Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Christopher
00:21:47Landau, the Undersecretary, for having. made that
00:21:50decision, eh Fernando, look, eh, the
00:21:53letter has a political undertone,
00:21:57of course, it's the portrait, I want to tell you that the most serious thing
00:22:00about this is that it's the portrait of the type of
00:22:03government that we Mexicans suffer from today, it's a
00:22:06reflection of
00:22:09the arbitrariness with which Mexico
00:22:12is governed today, we are sure that that
00:22:16letter could have been if not written, certainly
00:22:20only inspired by his father, the
00:22:23former president López Obrador, and I'm going to tell you why, because
00:22:27if you remember a few months ago, the same
00:22:30former president from his retirement, in quotation marks,
00:22:34wrote a letter to President Trump
00:22:37where he says, more or less, hey,
00:22:41you were one person in your first term as
00:22:43president, but today you are another, before you and I had
00:22:47perfect communication, but...
00:22:50It turns out that today you are ill-advised,
00:22:53you are surrounded by inexperienced, resentful
00:22:57and fanatical people, Fernando, but what you say is
00:23:00absolutely yes, the answer that
00:23:04Andy López Beltrán is asking for, in some way, the former
00:23:08ambassador Christopher Landau already gave it to him, he
00:23:10told him: well, very good, in some
00:23:14way that's what we can interpret, this, of course, is my
00:23:17opinion, he can say, hey well... So soon a
00:23:21judge from some New York court will give you the
00:23:24answer, because he might give you an answer like the one
00:23:28given to Rocha Moya through a very specific
00:23:31accusation of being involved in some
00:23:35illicit acts, perhaps Andy
00:23:37López Beltrán is the type of answer he can
00:23:40receive
00:23:43and that's where I think the message that
00:23:47Landau sends, well,
00:23:50puts Morena, Claudia Sheinbaum and
00:23:54Andy on even more alert, that
00:23:57this letter is really written, well,
00:24:00I don't know in what mental state you can be
00:24:04to write a letter like that, and besides, President Donald Trump is not going to get involved in
00:24:08whether Andy's visa is taken away, for that there is Secretary of State Marco
00:24:12Rubio, there are many other officials who are in charge of that and it's not
00:24:16Trump, perhaps unaccustomed to what his
00:24:19father was, right? who was the one who decided everything personally,
00:24:22not here, I mean, here there are officials in charge of all that, Beatriz, I have to go
00:24:26to the break, but I'm going to tell
00:24:31the break you tell me, because if the scenario is what
00:24:34Landau warns about, that a
00:24:37second part is coming and that a second part I imagine will be
00:24:40legal, I'm trying to link it to something, the possibility
00:24:44of and I'm going to tell you the word and you tell me what you think when
00:24:48we come back, huachicol?
00:24:53with that I tell you everything, you tell me what you think and if you think it
00:24:56could be that way, I'll be back, it's Beatriz Pajés,
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00:27:03I'm back with Beatrice Pajez,
00:28:24journalist and Mexican politician who accompanies
00:28:28precisely about eh
00:28:31the visa that has been revoked. not to Andrés López Beltrán, to
00:28:35Andy and what could be behind it, they say it's
00:28:38political, yes, of course it will have a political charge, he is the son of the
00:28:41former president, but then Landau sent a message, he says they liked this first part.
00:28:45part, wait for the second part, what is the second part that there can be, it can be a
00:28:49legal issue, now there is a basis to think that
00:28:52it could be something legal, I told Beatriz before the break, I'm going to tell you a
00:28:56word, "huachicol" (fuel theft),
00:29:01the Attorney General's Office of the Republic that
00:29:04assure that "huachicoleros" (fuel thieves) used the name of
00:29:07Andy while they were involved in these illicit acts,
00:29:11so what do you say Beatriz
00:29:14about this possibility?
00:29:17Of course, look, the word that you pronounce,
00:29:21"Huachicol", of course is very important in this
00:29:24case, and I would add two other words, two other
00:29:28names, the case of Amilcar Olán who...
00:29:32is a friend, partner of
00:29:35López Beltrán, who is the head and
00:29:39is their partner, both are partners in a
00:29:43company that I understand, according to some investigations that have appeared here
00:29:47in Mexico, the company Econ
00:29:50Mainstream has been investigated, it has been
00:29:53raided in the United States
00:29:56precisely for the illegal traffic of
00:29:59fuel and in this... in
00:30:03this company, of course, appears as one of the partners
00:30:06or as one of the shareholders, this
00:30:09friend and partner of López Beltrán, Amilcar
00:30:12Olán, of course there is a series of
00:30:15accusations here in Mexico against
00:30:18Andy López Beltrán, the head, one of the most
00:30:22notable heads in fuel trafficking and that also
00:30:26as you know Fernando
00:30:29is a trafficking network
00:30:32that not only involves the son of the former president, but
00:30:36also involves many other
00:30:39officials of the so-called fourth transformation
00:30:42of the Morena government, who have
00:30:45truly constituted a true assault
00:30:48on the energy
00:30:51patrimony of the country and have converted
00:30:55this entire network into a
00:30:58machinery that involves transporters that...