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00:00:09The fight on this occasion consists in the fact that the
00:00:13administration wants a strong cut in interest
00:00:16rates to boost
00:00:20the economy, but the Fed, which has as one of its two
00:00:23mandates, price stability, meaning to defend us from
00:00:27inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
00:00:32Abelardo de la Espriella's policy on strong cut, it would trigger inflation and a
00:00:35scenario with growth problems and at the same time
00:00:38inflation, that is, what is called this
00:00:40stagflation, that is precisely what the
00:00:43Fed of
00:00:46Powell, of Jerome Powell, wants to avoid.
00:01:07legislative powers to
00:01:37press, we have to inform the world what
00:01:56What
00:02:15bad, in addition to
00:02:20Back with Marta Lucía Ramírez, presented so far, and on the other former Vice President and Minister of Defense of
00:02:24Colombia, and I was telling her,
00:02:28former Vice President, I was telling her. Why, let's see, there are extremely
00:02:31important and interesting issues, and you said it,
00:02:34nuclear energy was never
00:02:37discussed, right? And suddenly Marco Rubio arrives, nuclear
00:02:40energy is discussed. Rare earths were not discussed, now
00:02:44rare earths and tungsten are discussed,
00:02:47and collaboration is discussed, and
00:02:50we just need to look at the realize that today the government of
00:02:53President Trump seeks to try to reach
00:02:56agreements that benefit him, in which he can exploit natural resources, right?
00:03:00This with commercial exchanges, with tariffs, etc., and the big
00:03:04question is, why isn't all this discussed? Why do we have to wait for
00:03:08the United States to arrive for this to be discussed
00:03:10and for large plans to be projected
00:03:14for issues that have always been there?
00:03:17Well, look, Fernando, what you say is true, but the truth is that in the
00:03:21world, these rare earths and minerals were not discussed
00:03:244 or 5 years ago either. This comes from all the development of
00:03:28technology and artificial intelligence, because even
00:03:32the production of tungsten batteries and so on is something that
00:03:35comes very recently hand in hand with technology. Unfortunately,
00:03:39Latin America is often behind,
00:03:42it's lagging behind. Here we are seeing that the United States
00:03:46is putting forward a strategic vision that
00:03:48hopefully will be for all of Latin America. That's why I've
00:03:52mentioned Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, because without a doubt,
00:03:55in this entire mountain range and throughout our hemisphere, there are
00:03:59many more rare earths, and the important thing then is
00:04:02to now do a geological exploration, to have clarity on
00:04:06which countries have them, because Colombia, for example, has never been clear
00:04:10if we have copper or not. We certainly have it, but we have never
00:04:14done the geological exploration, so doing it now is
00:04:17part of what is happening in the global economy and in global
00:04:21technological development. But secondly, doing it hand in hand with someone
00:04:25who has investment resources, let's not forget that the United States has
00:04:29been the main foreign investor
00:04:33in Colombia. The United States has an investment stock in Colombia
00:04:36of about 40,000 million
00:04:39of Peru, who is joining dollars. Investments in Colombia have been around between 7 and
00:04:418 billion dollars annually, so this
00:04:45is required, it is done when there is investment involved. So
00:04:48it seems to me that it is very positive that the investor, by
00:04:52definition in our country, well, obviously comes and looks at this, but
00:04:56also that they are proposing the development of value chains, the
00:05:00development of manufacturing in Colombia. It's no longer the same as before,
00:05:04"come, I'll buy your cheap minerals, but I'll
00:05:07process them in the United States." No, here we are talking about developing
00:05:11chains in Colombia, in Peru, in Ecuador, and that is
00:05:15very positive for our development.
00:05:19Oh, hopefully, hopefully it will be so, it is not yet certain,
00:05:22but hopefully it will be so. Hopefully the government of
00:05:26President Abelardo de la Espriella will have that shrewdness so that
00:05:30the greatest benefit will really be for Colombia. Now I am going to step
00:05:33away from that topic to ask you, because
00:05:37time is running out, about what we can expect
00:05:40in security, or what do you expect? It is very aggressive.
00:05:44the issue of security, aggressive I mean that he has
00:05:48ended the dialogues,
00:05:50that they are pursuing objectives, that they are bombing, that he walks
00:05:53among bodies, among corpses,
00:05:57and well, we hadn't seen it like that for a while, this type
00:06:01of policy, not against the armed groups. What can we expect from the
00:06:05collaboration of the United States, how far yes and how far
00:06:07no? First, to close the previous point,
00:06:11that this time we are going to see something long-term and that is
00:06:15what is important, a state visit that projects
00:06:18memorandums, agreements for the long term, it will undoubtedly serve
00:06:22for electric vehicles, wind turbines, electronics,
00:06:25all that, and Latin America has to be a first-rate
00:06:29player in the global concert in that. Regarding security,
00:06:32it happens that today we have a set
00:06:36of groups that are transnational, they are some
00:06:40illegal
00:06:42economies that are in the hands of some transnational actors that have become
00:06:46stronger than many states, because they manage immense
00:06:49resources, through drug trafficking, mineral
00:06:52trafficking, among other things, human
00:06:55trafficking, smuggling, which is nothing more than money
00:06:58laundering of all this. So for that reason we need
00:07:02to resume a security policy that is forceful, that
00:07:05really confronts all these people with justice, and
00:07:09we know that the government of Gustavo Petro was total abandonment
00:07:13in this matter, it was the weakening of the public force, it was the
00:07:16denial really of any type of collaboration between the
00:07:20public force and justice, for example. So now
00:07:24we have to achieve that within Colombia that institutional
00:07:27cooperation is achieved outside of Colombia, the
00:07:31international cooperation that gives us more security and more
00:07:34stability throughout the region, because the disaster of all Latin
00:07:38America today is that insecurity hand in hand with
00:07:41transnational organized crime groups that
00:07:45are dedicated to multi-crime and that have illegal
00:07:48economies that are absolutely powerful
00:07:51that allow them to have drones and in contrast the army
00:07:55of Colombia and almost no army in the region has
00:07:58them, so I have a lot of confidence that the cooperation of the United States will
00:08:02bring us drones, it will bring us technology to identify with
00:08:06intelligence where these people are and to be able to
00:08:09confront them with all the forcefulness of the Colombian state.
00:08:14Well, we will wait for them to give us that detailed roadmap
00:08:18obviously to see how far the collaboration from the United
00:08:21States will go. We will talk, if you give me the opportunity again,
00:08:25in the next few weeks, perhaps
00:08:29months, if not, then for now, I want to thank
00:08:32you for always joining me, I really appreciate it very much, former Vice President.
00:08:36Thank you very much, Fernando, always with the greatest pleasure. I respect you very much for your
00:08:40always serious, always very sharp journalism,
00:08:43and I tell you, I really think that at this moment we have to see this
00:08:47visit as something hopeful, and hopefully all of Latin America
00:08:50understands that we have a great opportunity, but also maintaining
00:08:54clear sovereignty, maintaining autonomy, and what will
00:08:57happen in Peru will also be very important because
00:09:01you see that today they complain about China, but at the end of the day,
00:09:05China only filled the void that many other countries did not
00:09:08understand the importance of investing in Peru and in Latin America.
00:09:14Of course, and also the abandonment by the United States in that sense. It's only now that
00:09:18they want to recover their presence and kick
00:09:22China out. That is, as they say in my country,
00:09:25"he who kills the cow is as guilty as he who holds its
00:09:28leg." That's absolutely true. So
00:09:31well, thank you, Marta Lucía. I send you a big
00:09:35hug. Have an excellent night. Thank you very much. Goodbye.
00:09:39Thank you, thank you, former Vice President and Minister of Defense of...
00:09:42Marta Lucía Ramírez accompanied me. I'll pause, I'll be back. We're going to Peru before
00:09:46Marco Rubio arrives. I'll be
00:09:48back.
00:09:53It was important to cover the trial of Genaro García Luna because this
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00:10:00in Mexico to be tried and
00:10:04convicted in the United States for
00:10:06drug trafficking. It was incredible to be there,
00:10:09to hear these testimonies,
00:10:13and to be able to learn
00:10:16exactly how drug cartels work
00:10:19and how they can operate, often with
00:10:23the support of government officials. Covering a federal trial in the United
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00:10:34seat inside the courtroom, but also because cameras are not allowed
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00:10:42so you have to take notes, imagine 8 hours
00:10:46taking notes of everything that is said, everything that happens, to
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00:16:15Listen, I ask you to join me from this moment on using the hashtag #conclukeiko, the hashtag is
00:16:19#conclukeiko, of course, for Keiko Fujimori there in Peru, your comments with
00:16:23the hashtag #conclukeiko, my account on
00:16:24X is @soyfdelrincon, @soyfdelrincon
00:16:27on X. Look, Peru is looking in two
00:16:30directions at the same time regarding its security
00:16:34strategy.
00:16:40It is asking for more special
00:16:44command, to govern. Yes, special
00:16:47powers, externally,
00:16:51the government of the United States, the rapprochement that will
00:16:55take place, the arrival of
00:16:58Marco Rubio, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, which is tomorrow, tomorrow we will be talking about that here on the program, let's see what
00:17:01comes out of this meeting, no, but well, externally it's the US government, the rapprochement.
00:17:05Trump's initiative to combat
00:17:09transnational criminal organizations and both
00:17:12things are happening practically in
00:17:15parallel in the Andean nation. Today,
00:17:18Wednesday, the president of the Council of Ministers, Luis Galarreta, is scheduled to arrive at
00:17:22Congress to defend
00:17:25the executive's request to temporarily grant the Fujimori
00:17:28government legislative powers. This
00:17:32is what I mentioned to you, well, I was
00:17:34talking about it with a network in Paraguay.
00:17:37I mentioned it precisely in a link I had,
00:17:41where I told them that I didn't
00:17:44think Galarreta's defense was going to be so necessary.
00:17:47Why? Well,
00:17:50because by having
00:17:52such a large group,
00:17:56not a majority, but by having such a large Popular Force in the
00:18:00legislature, it was very feasible that he could negotiate for
00:18:04them to grant those extraordinary powers to Keiko Fujimori. And yet,
00:18:07from the Popular Force itself in the legislature, they said: "Those
00:18:11are too many powers you are asking for, 66 special powers,
00:18:15wait, we have to review them." So what was going to be a
00:18:18mere formality for Luis Galarreta, just to
00:18:21fulfill the protocol,
00:18:24no longer. Now he will have to
00:18:27defend that request from the executive,
00:18:30argue it, support it. The argument that the government now has is the
00:18:34urgency, citizen security, organized crime. The
00:18:37validity and measures for telecommunications companies to collaborate with the
00:18:41authorities, beware of that, how
00:18:44do they want telecommunications companies to collaborate?
00:18:47They will present the petitions to the constitutional commission of the chamber of
00:18:51deputies. In short, the request aims to give the executive
00:18:54the possibility of legislating for 4 months or
00:18:58temporarily transferring part of the legislative power to the central
00:19:02government. Uh, many are worried about this, I'll tell you why, no,
00:19:06accumulation of power. Many fear that, and that
00:19:09happens at a time that is also very delicate, particularly delicate for the country, because the
00:19:13government recognizes the seriousness of the violence and speaks of dozens of
00:19:16homicides since the beginning of the current administration, and also before,
00:19:19no. The question then is not only whether the executive needs more
00:19:23tools, what are those tools, what
00:19:27tools does it want, how will it use them, what
00:19:31controls or who will control it? And
00:19:34while that discussion is taking place in Lima, Peru's gaze
00:19:38extends abroad. Washington has just announced Peru's incorporation into the
00:19:41so-called Shield of the Americas, they have already joined the Shield of the Americas, this
00:19:45alliance of the Trump government to coordinate efforts against transnational
00:19:48organized crime. The announcement comes during the tour of the United
00:19:52States Secretary of State Marco Rubio who leaves Colombia, will
00:19:55arrive in Peru and will be in Ecuador, or will be in Ecuador, then in Peru, all
00:19:59that will be tomorrow and reinforces a relationship that goes beyond
00:20:02security, it has to go beyond security, at least in Peru it has to
00:20:06go beyond security, it will have to do with the economic
00:20:09sphere and the presence and the agreements it has with China,
00:20:12but the United States wants to delve deeply into that, into the economic
00:20:16presence, particularly strategic sectors such as,
00:20:19guess what, also as in Colombia, critical
00:20:22minerals, they are looking for that, be careful,
00:20:26it's already Colombia, it will be Peru,
00:20:29Bolivia, I don't think it will take long, Venezuela, there is the mining
00:20:33arc,
00:20:35that is, you have to look at it in the big picture, as the
00:20:39Americans say, they are not looking for, but the clear
00:20:43message now from Washington is security
00:20:46and economy, that is the clear message, the...
00:20:50The one that is in smaller letters is the one I am telling you, no, but
00:20:54these go together, security and economy go together, Peru is choosing to
00:20:57approach that cooperation model, which would leave a question mark as to how
00:21:01the relationship with China would be, how they are going to
00:21:04manage it, I mean, there are agreements that they cannot break, these are agreements that were made, it's not
00:21:07like oh China, go away, no, you can't
00:21:11make agreements, and there will be legal sanctions, etc., so how will
00:21:14they manage that, there is a lot of Chinese presence in
00:21:17Peru, we have two simultaneous movements basically, a government
00:21:21that seeks a greater margin of maneuver internally
00:21:25and that at the same time seeks greater support and international
00:21:28coordination with the United States to face a threat that is
00:21:32no longer limited to borders, the fundamental question is
00:21:36whether this double strategy can translate into concrete
00:21:39results against crime, especially,
00:21:42what institutional and sovereignty
00:21:45price can that gamble have, which is what I was talking about with Marta Lucía Ramírez, the
00:21:49former Vice President, how far yes and how far no.
00:21:52Let's talk about all this, if you agree, when we come back from the break with my guest, Gustavo
00:21:56Adrianzen, former President of the Council of Ministers of Peru, who is joining me,
00:22:00it will be after the
00:22:01break.
00:22:05I am Mexican British, I have been practicing
00:22:09journalism for 20 years in Mexico City, in the United
00:22:13States and now in Miami for CNN. CNN
00:22:17América is a multi-platform program where you will
00:22:20have information from all areas that will allow you
00:22:24to understand the world from the angle you are looking at it.
00:22:28In those three hours you will not only have information from a political
00:22:31economic sphere, but also health, from
00:22:34a sphere for women, but above all it is a
00:22:38space where we can have conversations not to
00:22:41polarize but to integrate society.
00:22:46excites me the most is to inform, inquire and
00:22:50investigate the why of things, go to the bottom of the facts,
00:22:54here you will see what makes news and everything that
00:22:56impacts your daily life. CNN America with Rebeca
00:23:00Kelly, Monday to Friday on CNN.
00:23:14The fight on this occasion is that the
00:23:17administration wants a strong cut in interest
00:23:20rates to boost
00:23:24the economy, but the Fed, which has as one of its two
00:23:27mandates, price stability, that is, to defend us from
00:23:31inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
00:23:34strong cut, it would trigger inflation,
00:23:38and a scenario with growth problems and at the same time
00:23:42inflation, that is, what is called this
00:23:44stagflation, that is precisely what the Fed
00:23:47wants to avoid from...
00:25:24Welcome to Gustavo Adrianzén, former President of the Council of Ministers
00:25:29me. Thank you, Gustavo, for always accepting the invitation,
00:25:31welcome. Thank you very much for the invitation,
00:25:35Fernando, and I am at your service.
00:25:38Thank you. Let me ask you the first question internally. I will forget for the moment about the arrival tomorrow
00:25:41of Marco Rubio,
00:25:45and I will focus on this request that
00:25:48the government of Keiko Fujimori wants to make for these
00:25:52special powers, 66 special
00:25:55powers for 120
00:25:57days, which seemed like it was going to be a
00:26:01Popular Force itself they say: "Wait, those are
00:26:04too many powers, you are also getting into many other portfolios, into many other issues that are not
00:26:08just security, what do you want to do? Let me, we have to
00:26:12review." Is there fear of accumulation of power,
00:26:16even within the same party, or how do you see
00:26:19it? Look, Fernando, the truth is that we were all
00:26:22surprised because in
00:26:25the message to the nation that President Fujimori gave on
00:26:29July 28, she announced delegated
00:26:33powers. This is a common practice in Peru, Fernando, in fact,
00:26:36I myself did it when it was my turn to be President of the Council of
00:26:39Ministers. What surprised us is that it was originally
00:26:43said that they would ask for delegated powers for issues
00:26:47of fighting organized crime and prevention
00:26:51against the El Niño phenomenon, that is, two extremely
00:26:54urgent matters on which there was a national consensus that they should
00:26:57be done and done quickly, because
00:27:00precisely these delegated powers
00:27:02are used for speed in the
00:27:05process, given that the executive
00:27:08power is allowed to legislate on these specific matters, but we have been surprised,
00:27:12Fernando, that it is true,
00:27:1566 requests, but there are up to 117 disaggregated
00:27:18issues. Look,
00:27:21agriculture, security,
00:27:24infrastructure, state reform, housing,
00:27:28fishing, agriculture, administrative simplification,
00:27:31mining. work, that is,
00:27:34there is an immense number of matters that will
00:27:37require what has already been said, that more
00:27:41commissions will have to review each of these matters in
00:27:44deputies, and on the other hand, Fernando, something that is
00:27:48at least shocking for the new Congress, imagine, we are inaugurating a bicameral
00:27:52Congress and the first thing that is done is to tell it, "I'm going to take your
00:27:56powers to do your job," you take them away, of
00:28:00course, it's another thing. You
00:28:03start with the bicameral and you tell them, "Well, congratulations, it's good that you are
00:28:06there, but I'm going to handle everything right now."
00:28:10Exactly, exactly. Exactly.
00:28:14That, of course, Fernando, is very
00:28:17the breadth, it is the
00:28:20technical imprecision that has occurred.
00:28:22hand, there are also
00:28:26very serious, very profound matters that
00:28:29naturally demand the rigor of parliamentary
00:28:32debate and Fernando, well, if we want to look at it in
00:28:36other terms, Fujimorismo it seems to me
00:28:40is not taking into account that the Chamber of
00:28:43Deputies, which is the first to consider the request for
00:28:47delegated powers, has a majority of the
00:28:50opposition. So it's very likely that in
00:28:54this review by the deputies, many,
00:28:57many of their initiatives will not pass. Some are already being
00:29:01criticized. about banking
00:29:04interests and board member fees
00:29:08of private companies and things like that which do not
00:29:11have national relevance or much importance
00:29:15at a time like the one the country is
00:29:17experiencing.
00:29:20But Gustavo, and I have 3 minutes left, but Gustavo,
00:29:23tell me something, what is this for you? Is it a
00:29:27sign of what? Is it a sign of mistrust
00:29:30for the legislative branch or is it
00:29:34a matter of accumulation of power, because you already said it,
00:29:37that is, it gets involved in agriculture, in
00:29:41infrastructure, in many things that, well, are
00:29:45not necessary at this moment, unless you want to manage the whole country and
00:29:48decide in all areas of the country. Why do I ask you,
00:29:51well, because of the surname, right? And because of the fears
00:29:55there are. There are those who see Fujimori as a great
00:29:57hero, others as the great villain,
00:30:01but this. It must make detractors very nervous.
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