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00:00:00In the hours-long talks, but it still causes deputies shared the views us a lot of concern.
00:00:03of their parties. AK Party In this regard, we have a few measures that we presented to our President, and we are implementing them. But what I can tell the public is that we have called on both sides to establish a mechanism for a moratorium on this issue. But when you look at the course of the war, both sides are targeting each other's important logistical facilities. This is very dangerous, the war has spilled over to the civilian side, yes, it has spilled over. We saw this. Unfortunately, in its 5th year, the war has come to this point. Now, why aren't mediators acting quickly? The first reason is that when mediating parties get involved, especially the Americans, they say this. Deputy Group Chairman Abdülhamit Gül
00:00:06said that the proposal submitted with 367 signatures
00:00:10was an unprecedented consensus in Turkish parliamentary history.
00:00:13I submit the entire proposal to your votes. Those who accept?
00:00:17Those who do not accept. It has been accepted. Approximately
00:00:1918 hours of intense work
00:00:23were carried out. The recommendations of the deputies
00:00:26were taken into account. Another threshold in the goal of a Turkey
00:00:29without terrorism was crossed. The bill on strengthening
00:00:33national solidarity and social integration was accepted by the Parliament's Justice
00:00:36Committee. This proposal is not an amnesty regulation.
00:00:39Secondly, this proposal is not a personal
00:00:43regulation. The closing speech of the committee discussions was made by
00:00:46AK Party Deputy Group Chairman Abdülhamit Gül. He stated that 367 deputies
00:00:50signed the bill. He drew attention to the strong
00:00:53consensus. Considering the number of signatures
00:00:57on the proposal and the distribution of the signatories to political
00:01:01party groups, it shows that there is an unprecedented historical
00:01:05consensus, a political
00:01:08consensus, in Turkish democracy history and Turkish
00:01:11parliamentary history. Tensions rose from time to time
00:01:14during the talks, the work was long, and participation
00:01:18was intense. Deputies contributed by sharing the views of their
00:01:22parties on the proposal. MHP Deputy Chairman Fetih Yıldız
00:01:25was one of the names who spoke on behalf of his party in the committee.
00:01:29We are about to send terrorism,
00:01:32which has caused the loss of tens of thousands of our people
00:01:35and the waste of enormous resources, to the dark
00:01:39abyss of history. So, how will the process proceed
00:01:43from now on? The proposal is expected to be on the agenda
00:01:46of the General Assembly on Monday. No legal regulation
00:01:50will come into force before the disarmament process is completed and declared
00:01:54by the National Security Council.
00:01:58Dear viewers, another strategic step
00:02:01was taken in terms of global security architecture. A tripartite
00:02:05defense alliance was established with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
00:02:09The Mecca Agreement, which includes counter-terrorism and cooperation,
00:02:12will also contribute to the goal of a Turkey without terrorism,
00:02:16a region without terrorism. Regional
00:02:16security will be strengthened.
00:02:22Collective defense step, common projects and cooperation
00:02:25in the fight against terrorism. The agreement was signed
00:02:29between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. So, what
00:02:32will be the contribution of the agreement to reinforcing the goal
00:02:36of a Turkey without terrorism? A Turkey without terrorism also
00:02:39means a region without terrorism. You need to strengthen it outside
00:02:42as well as inside. This common defense agreement between
00:02:46Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, which is open to sister
00:02:49countries, should be read as an initiative to strengthen
00:02:53security in the region and external foreign policy.
00:02:56One of the most striking aspects of the agreement is its goal
00:03:00of consolidating regional peace and stability. In this context,
00:03:03the agreement is also open to the participation of other countries. It is not
00:03:07an agreement that will harm the alliance system of Turkey, Pakistan
00:03:11and Saudi Arabia. It is an agreement that includes legitimate
00:03:14defense. It is open to sister countries that want to participate.
00:03:18So, if there is anyone who wants to be on the side
00:03:21of stability and security in the region, come on in.
00:03:24There was also an article that said an attack on one of the countries
00:03:28would be considered an attack on all countries. Military,
00:03:32political and logistical support will be provided to the attacked
00:03:35country. Cooperation will be carried
00:03:36out in the field of cyber
00:03:41security and intelligence, and joint projects will be developed
00:03:45in the defense industry. The world is talking about
00:03:48the Mecca Agreement signed by Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi
00:03:51Arabia. International Press described the agreement as historic.
00:03:55Attention was drawn to the military,
00:04:00economic and regional advantages of the three countries that signed
00:04:03the agreement. The Mecca Agreement, signed between Turkey, Pakistan
00:04:07and Saudi Arabia, was on the headlines of the world press.
00:04:10American CBS News, in its news about the Mecca Agreement,
00:04:14included the sentence "three regional powers strengthened
00:04:17cooperation". It emphasized the importance of Turkey's rapidly
00:04:21growing defense industry. Bloomberg also titled its news
00:04:24"A new Middle East security framework is taking shape
00:04:27in Mecca". The British newspaper The Telegraph
00:04:31described the Mecca Agreement as historic.
00:04:35In the news of the British broadcaster BBC, it was stated
00:04:39that the Mecca Agreement was signed by the three most
00:04:42powerful Muslim countries in the world. The French newspaper
00:04:46Le Monde published its news with the title "Saudi Arabia,
00:04:48Turkey and Pakistan signed an unprecedented Defense Alliance
00:04:52in Mecca". It was stated that the agreement marked
00:04:54a turning point in the security balances of the Middle East.
00:04:58France 24 also gave extensive
00:05:13coverage to the Mecca Agreement. The newspaper Pentapostagma
00:05:16wrote that the Mecca Agreement was a diplomatic victory
00:05:20for President Erdoğan. Al Jazeera, based in Qatar,
00:05:23emphasized that the agreement was signed amidst regional
00:05:26turmoil. It was stated that the agreement marked the beginning
00:05:30of a different security architecture in the region.
00:05:34The Indian Express, based in India, drew attention
00:05:37to the fact that the agreement
00:05:38was signed at a time when the
00:05:41balances in the region had completely changed.
00:05:45Vice President Cevdet Yılmaz said that the Mecca Defense
00:05:48Agreement was not a threat to any group or country.
00:05:52He emphasized that it was a structure that would complement other alliances.
00:05:56Yılmaz, who also evaluated the bill on strengthening national
00:05:59solidarity and social integration
00:06:03towards the goal of a Turkey without terrorism, stated
00:06:06that everyone who lays down their arms will surrender, knowing
00:06:09the legal process. We are surrounded by a circle
00:06:13of fire, geopolitical tensions are extremely high. In this
00:06:16environment, this agreement between three countries with
00:06:20complementary characteristics is very valuable. The Mecca
00:06:24Agreement was on the agenda, it was described as a historic
00:06:27day, and its importance was emphasized. Speaking
00:06:30on a television program, Vice President Cevdet Yılmaz underlined
00:06:34that the agreement was created to strengthen deterrence.
00:06:37This is not an alternative structure
00:06:40to NATO or any alliance we are in.
00:06:43It is not an alternative structure
00:06:45to our other alliance relations or multilateral
00:06:48relations. We can also state that it is a structure
00:06:51that complements and strengthens them. Therefore, this
00:06:55structure is not a threat to anyone, any group, or any
00:06:58country. Yılmaz also evaluated the bill on strengthening
00:07:01national solidarity and social integration. He emphasized
00:07:05that weapons would first be laid down, and after this was determined,
00:07:09other legal processes would be initiated. Everyone will lay down their
00:07:12arms, knowing what kind of legal process
00:07:15they will face. We need to be very careful about certain
00:07:19circles that do not want Turkey to get rid of this scourge
00:07:22of terrorism and engage in disinformation and provocation
00:07:25on social media and other platforms.
00:07:29AK Party prepared
00:07:31two clips
00:07:35special for its 25th anniversary. In the clip
00:07:39shared with the slogan "The color of each page, the story
00:07:42of each day is different, AK Party is a book of Turkey",
00:07:46President Erdoğan's speeches were included. In the clip
00:07:49shared with the slogan "A quarter century with our nation, Turkey
00:07:53is ready for the future", the works brought to Turkey
00:07:56under Erdoğan's leadership
00:07:58were included.
00:08:06In our Turkey, nothing will
00:08:09be the same as before.
00:08:13The pages of the book that started on August 14, 2001,
00:08:15election victories.
00:08:19We walked these
00:08:20roads together.
00:08:23The "one minute"
00:08:25incident in Davos.
00:08:33And messages that are etched in memory.
00:08:36I would like to emphasize that
00:08:40the world is bigger than five.
00:08:43Moments that left their mark on Turkish politics were shared
00:08:45one by one. AK Party prepared a special
00:08:49clip for its 25th anniversary. The clip, which includes President
00:08:52Erdoğan's important messages throughout a quarter century,
00:08:55was shared with the message "The color of each page, the story
00:08:59of each section is different.
00:09:12AK Party is a book of Turkey." The 25-year logo, consisting
00:09:16of works brought to Turkey during the AK Party governments,
00:09:18was featured.
00:09:21Footage of President Erdoğan driving the domestic and national
00:09:24automobile Togg with his wife Emine Erdoğan. "We will
00:09:27fight to bring Turkey together
00:09:30with its dreams, working day and night."
00:09:33National Technology Move, signature projects in defense,
00:09:37aviation and space industries were also
00:09:40included in the clip. The clip also featured
00:09:44the slogan "A quarter century with our nation, Turkey
00:09:47is ready for the future",
00:09:49determined by the AK Party
00:09:57for its 25th year. Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan
00:10:01is answering questions at the Anadolu Agency Editor's Desk.
00:10:04Let's watch. They need to go to more institutional points
00:10:07that actually guarantee their own stability,
00:10:11their own development, their own prosperity.
00:10:14We have very good relations with almost all of the countries
00:10:17in the region, but these were relations that were based
00:10:20on conjunctural political perceptions and understandings
00:10:24that could change. But Turkey's policy, under the leadership
00:10:27of our President, has been the same for a long time.
00:10:31We have always thought that it would be more beneficial
00:10:34to make this more permanent, that is, the issues we call
00:10:38brotherhood relations or relations should be more structural,
00:10:41more professional, more self-sustaining
00:10:44for the stability of the entire region. From this perspective,
00:10:48we, as Turkey, were always asked, "What is your regional
00:10:51vision?" We always said that there is actually a need
00:10:55for a defense alliance in the region. That is,
00:10:58countries cannot build economic structures without being
00:11:02sure of each other's security. This is a fact that history
00:11:06has shown. We saw this in the European Union as well. We saw that
00:11:10the European Economic Community came into being in the atmosphere
00:11:13provided by the American security umbrella and later evolved.
00:11:16Here, too, there is a great will to eliminate,
00:11:20or at least stop, the instabilities in the region and to manage
00:11:23the prosperity of the people of the region by providing
00:11:26greater economic and social integration. This is not an easy
00:11:30task. We are at the very beginning. We are aware of this. There are mental and conceptual
00:11:33preparations and plans for this. We have studies on how
00:11:37we will institutionalize these. And we know what kind of problems
00:11:40we will face while doing these. We have been continuously
00:11:44talking about these for exactly 2 years and 8
00:11:48months with our partners with whom we signed and other
00:11:52countries in the region. Our President always brings
00:11:55this up in his meetings at the leader level.
00:11:59So, this has been on our shoulders
00:12:02for 2 years, was this agreement being prepared for 2 years?
00:12:04Of course, it takes time for it to
00:12:08go from an idea to a concept and from a concept
00:12:11to an agreement. Now, Mr. Minister,
00:12:15I would like to gradually delve into the details
00:12:18of the agreement with my editor friends.
00:12:21First of all, is the principle that any attack on one of the three
00:12:25countries, which is said to be similar to Article 5 of NATO,
00:12:29will be considered an attack on all parties
00:12:32the same as Article 5 of NATO? What is our approach here?
00:12:35Technically, it is the same.
00:12:39Technically, it is the same.
00:12:42That's why you are establishing a security pact.
00:12:45That's why other countries are deciding
00:12:49to join a final alliance,
00:12:53to benefit from each other's
00:12:56protective support.
00:12:59There is no problem here. It imposes an obligation on the signatory
00:13:02countries. So, is this a situation that will be activated
00:13:06immediately? Can you elaborate on this? Let me elaborate
00:13:09on it without going into too much detail and boring our viewers.
00:13:12Essentially, this kind of agreement, look, we have been in NATO since 1952, for many
00:13:16years. We go to NATO meetings, we participate. We hosted the last
00:13:20NATO summit. We prepared the concept papers. We contribute to strategies,
00:13:24plans, and programs. That is, NATO, in its entire history,
00:13:27has probably only once or twice, when I last checked, made
00:13:31a decision for joint intervention and entered an operation.
00:13:35It supported an issue in Afghanistan and it also supported
00:13:37this in Kosovo.
00:13:41Other than that, NATO's preparations,
00:13:44NATO's greatest deterrence is
00:13:47to develop a deterrence
00:13:49capability in a defensive position. That is,
00:13:53if you attack me, I have made my preparations.
00:13:57Do not test my power,
00:13:59which has such a large
00:14:02military force. Therefore, I am not being attacked.
00:14:06In the geography I am in, by solving all political
00:14:09and economic problems, it is developing and going on a more
00:14:13normal path. Now, this is important because what blocks
00:14:16all developments is violence, war,
00:14:20and tears. You are increasing
00:14:23your deterrence power. Secondly, the way to enter such alliances
00:14:27is not so much to send a message to the outside,
00:14:30but rather that the countries signing this alliance
00:14:33will not be a threat to each other's security,
00:14:36and in fact, will guarantee each other's security.
00:14:39They are committing to this. This is the starting point.
00:14:43When you enter a security alliance, it is not against
00:14:46an external actor, but rather that "we are now in solidarity
00:14:50with each other,
00:14:51and no harm will come from one of us to the other."
00:14:55This is an important starting point. Then,
00:14:58you need to work according to the existing
00:15:01threats. Now, I was talking about NATO,
00:15:04there are preparatory works, there is joint
00:15:07interoperability. Here, too, if you ask later
00:15:11how it will work, there are a few issues.
00:15:14The most curious issue is whether
00:15:18an obligation arises immediately in case
00:15:21of an attack, and how this obligation
00:15:24will become functional. When you look at the agreement
00:15:28text, there are general commitments. How these general commitments
00:15:32will be implemented in practice always depends on, as I said,
00:15:35a discussion and the decision of the relevant boards.
00:15:39That is, a country must make a call in this regard,
00:15:43saying, "I am in trouble with this, help me with this."
00:15:46The country also defines the nature of the aid. It says,
00:15:49"I need intelligence, I need logistics, I need ammunition,
00:15:53or, at a more advanced stage, I need military units."
00:15:57That is, these are multi-stage issues that vary according
00:16:00to the dimension of the threat.
00:16:03So far, in the studies carried
00:16:07out, the perspective we put forward is
00:16:10that we will have a structurally ministerial committee,
00:16:14just like in NATO, there is a political
00:16:17and military committee consisting of Foreign Ministers,
00:16:21Defense Ministers, and the Chief of General Staff. This political
00:16:24and military committee is the committee that makes decisions
00:16:28and carries out the work within this alliance
00:16:31based on the vision set by the leaders.
00:16:34There will be a general secretariat that will implement
00:16:38the vision it sets forth, there will be an organization.
00:16:42This is also an important structural step, meaning
00:16:45we did not sign and leave. This general secretariat
00:16:49will closely follow the issues related to this defense
00:16:53alliance between the three countries, and the implementation of the
00:16:56decisions taken. We have not started working on this yet,
00:17:00the signatures have just been made. After the first
00:17:03committee meeting, the issues that we, as ministers, will submit
00:17:06to the leaders for approval will probably be the establishment
00:17:10of the secretariat, its structure, operation, and the initial
00:17:14directives to be given. There are many issues here,
00:17:17military issues, that is, what we call joint interoperability,
00:17:20which is a very important issue conceptualized as
00:17:23"interoperability" in NATO. That is, countries with different
00:17:27army structures being able to work together, mutual
00:17:31training support issues, logistical matters, threat analyses,
00:17:35intelligence sharing, and most importantly, cooperation in defense
00:17:38industry. The most discussed topic among leaders yesterday
00:17:42was cooperation in the defense industry and the benefiting
00:17:46of countries from each other's technologies. As I said,
00:17:49this is a serious and institutional work that requires continuity.
00:17:53It will also have its own automatically running
00:17:56work. That is, countries will not be in a situation where they say, "Oh, what
00:18:00were we going to do together?" when they are in trouble.
00:18:04As you can see, the issue we always emphasize
00:18:07is that success in foreign
00:18:11policy or any matter should not
00:18:14be left to chance. It needs to be institutionalized,
00:18:17it needs to be made continuous. Rather than being good today and bad tomorrow,
00:18:21countries need to be members
00:18:24of an alliance around certain interests.
00:18:28Another issue is whether these three
00:18:31countries are core countries. I will ask that.
00:18:34Before that, Mr. Yusuf, you had a question. You said
00:18:38it's essentially the same as Article 5, and it was also
00:18:42declared that the agreement targets no country. However,
00:18:45there is currently an ongoing Iran war, the Houthi threat,
00:18:49and Israel's aggression in the region. What
00:18:52is the deterrent objective of this
00:18:55agreement, and what does it define as the main threats?
00:18:59Well, as I said, we don't
00:19:03have a common threat that is written down
00:19:06or signed by us. We are committing to being
00:19:10closely involved in each other's
00:19:12security. This is a starting point, but let me tell
00:19:16you the spirit of the event, that is, how the spirit
00:19:19developed, how the discussions were held, and you will see
00:19:23that in practice, both in writing and in the formation
00:19:26of units and actions, it was acted upon in that
00:19:30spirit. Our discussions started before the current
00:19:32political ground, before the war ground.
00:19:36That is, there was no Iran-America War,
00:19:39Iran-Israel War at that time.
00:19:43But we always knew that in the region, America's
00:19:47security concerns would change, there were
00:19:50other events that would happen. Turkey has its own fight
00:19:53against terrorism. We always knew these would come up.
00:19:56Now, frankly, when countries
00:19:59enter this alliance,
00:20:01it needs to be underlined that
00:20:04Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,
00:20:08and Turkey, looking at their foreign
00:20:11policy stances,
00:20:16are not expansionist countries. They are busy with their
00:20:19own problems, their development within their
00:20:23own borders, and if possible, they are countries that want
00:20:26to contribute positively to the environment they are
00:20:30in through good relations and neighborhood. They have
00:20:33different styles, different capacities,
00:20:36but that's the thing. Now, when we come together
00:20:40with these countries, naturally, we become a defensive
00:20:44organization. It's not an offensive approach of "let's go there
00:20:48and do this together." Therefore, as long as
00:20:52this alliance is not attacked from within the region
00:20:55or from outside the region, it cannot have anything
00:20:59against any country. However,
00:21:02this power composition we have put
00:21:06forward to contribute to regional stability
00:21:09will naturally have a constructive contribution. That needs to
00:21:13be said as well. We are establishing it for this purpose.
00:21:16The reason we are carrying this forward is this,
00:21:20but I emphasize that Iran is not the target of this
00:21:23organization. Israel, Iran, because the region,
00:21:27look, don't attack us as a conflict element.
00:21:31No country that does not attack us is our target.
00:21:33When I say "we", do I mean the three
00:21:37countries? Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
00:21:40Mr. Minister, Turkey is also a NATO country.
00:21:43Was this issue discussed with your allies in NATO?
00:21:47Will there be any transition
00:21:50between Turkey's obligations and Turkey's
00:21:54obligations in this new defense pact?
00:21:57Well, this was a technical
00:22:01issue that we thought about a long time ago.
00:22:04We thoroughly examined this issue both
00:22:07legally and strategically.
00:22:11The short answer is no, there is no conflict here,
00:22:15there is no problem. We are not the first
00:22:19to do this. For example,
00:22:21America has similar agreements
00:22:24with many non-NATO countries. It has
00:22:28one with Israel. There is the system we call
00:22:32Quat, it has agreements with Australia, New Zealand,
00:22:35and Japan in Asia Pacific. It made this agreement
00:22:39with Saudi Arabia, it made this agreement with Qatar.
00:22:42As you know, they also made this agreement last year.
00:22:45So, these countries,
00:22:48for example, France has advanced
00:22:51military issues with the Greek Cypriot
00:22:54administration, which is not in NATO.
00:22:58Macron even said when he was in the Greek Cypriot
00:23:01administration recently, "If anything happens to you,
00:23:05we are here." So, this is
00:23:07not a new phenomenon. Such alliances exist
00:23:10within NATO. Turkey
00:23:14is also a country that is aware of its
00:23:17responsibility and we are
00:23:21not in a position to keep these different
00:23:24geographies and different priorities in conflict
00:23:28with each other. Is it an area that needs to be managed?
00:23:32Yes, it is an area that needs to be managed, but in our broad
00:23:35comments, we even brought it up today when I was
00:23:38talking to my German counterpart. I said at the time,
00:23:42what we are trying to do here is regional ownership
00:23:46and regional security architecture. As you know,
00:23:50we have influence in 3-4 strategic locations.
00:23:53We also need to do this in Europe. As you know,
00:23:56we have very serious discussions about what we can do in terms
00:24:00of security architecture with Europe. Turkey,
00:24:03due to its geography, has a strategic
00:24:07orientation towards Europe via the Caucasus, the Middle
00:24:10East, the Black Sea, the Mediterranean, and the Balkans,
00:24:14and a wider European geography. For each strategic basin,
00:24:17you need to develop a perspective
00:24:20and harmonize these perspectives if areas
00:24:24of tension arise. Because,
00:24:27we saw this in NATO for a strategic Balkans,
00:24:30were involved, we experienced all the problems in the Middle East,
00:24:34because no NATO country other than us had a border with the Middle East,
00:24:38we learned from this, we analyzed it,
00:24:42at that time, similarly, there was no other country
00:24:45in a unique position like Turkey in the Caucasus
00:24:49within NATO." they already
00:24:51have a transatlantic relationship,
00:24:54meaning Europe and the Atlantic, i.e., America. military
00:24:57solidarity in the geography now,
00:25:01since our own strategic basin is not
00:25:04single, each strategic basin contains different
00:25:07positions and conditions. We need to develop
00:25:11a security architecture for these, we need to develop an economic architecture,
00:25:15and since we are not approaching this with a hegemonic understanding, we need to do this
00:25:18together with the regional countries. After the agreement
00:25:21in the Caucasus, hopefully,
00:25:25there is a working ceasefire right now. Armenia and
00:25:28Azerbaijan are moving towards a lasting peace agreement, and
00:25:32we support this. While supporting this, we have a security and
00:25:36economic architectural perspective in mind. The same applies to the Middle East
00:25:39and Europe. Can a similar micro-defense pact be established
00:25:43in the Caucasus region and the Central Asian region
00:25:47as well? These can be established when necessary.
00:25:50From time to time, there might be more need for economy,
00:25:54but the biggest problem in Europe and the Middle East right now is, you know,
00:25:57mutual wars, insecurities, and conflicts,
00:26:01so we need to start with a security architecture.
00:26:04There is also a search for a security architecture in Europe, I was explaining that, it was cut short.
00:26:08It is possible to harmonize the European and Middle Eastern
00:26:12security architectures through Turkey
00:26:15in the long term, and even in the medium term. The mental and intellectual
00:26:18preparations for this are actually in place.
00:26:22That is, when we work on scenarios in this regard,
00:26:25because there is not much expansionist understanding in Europe either. They also
00:26:29want no one to attack them where they are,
00:26:32they want their economy to be good,
00:26:35to be in a competitive position. This is the
00:26:39prevailing perception of the state. We think
00:26:43that these strategic positionings
00:26:47can be harmonized, but as I said, these
00:26:49are issues we have been discussing for a long time with our partners
00:26:53in both the Middle East and Europe. They are slowly
00:26:56coming to fruition. These are generally accepted
00:27:00issues, but it takes time
00:27:03for them to be implemented in practice. That is, the transformation in Europe
00:27:07will be a longer-term transformation. Mr. Yahya, please. Thank you very much. Sir,
00:27:10now there is an important issue that might fall within the scope of this agreement.
00:27:13As you know, in the Red Sea, there is a serious
00:27:17discussion regarding Saudi Arabia's navigation safety in the Red Sea.
00:27:21There are Houthi attacks, especially on Saudi Arabian ships. Saudi Arabia is seeking
00:27:24to establish a multinational force here. In recent days,
00:27:28approximately 40 countries gathered at the level of Chiefs of Staff.
00:27:31Will Turkey join this international force, considering
00:27:34this agreement? If it joins, what will be the framework of its contribution?
00:27:37I am curious about this.
00:27:41Now,
00:27:44when you look at how Saudi Arabia presents the situation
00:27:47in the Red Sea, you need to pay attention to that.
00:27:50In fact, it brought the issue to the agenda from the perspective of global trade security
00:27:54and the security of Bab al-Mandeb, not as a personal problem
00:27:58with the Houthis, asking for help. It didn't come to a point of asking for help.
00:28:01getirmedi.
00:28:02in terms of energy supply. Because we have secured this in the Persian Gulf right now, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz,
00:28:15we had said before that
00:28:18the war and struggle
00:28:22does not directly affect us much
00:28:28through pipelines over many years. There are countries that are affected much more differently
00:28:31and cannot get energy even if they have money. It affects us economically,
00:28:35but
00:28:37the closure of the Red Sea trade basin is, of course,
00:28:41directly related to our interests. The other one is too, but this one
00:28:45is even more directly related. Therefore, it was quite normal for us to show military interest
00:28:49in this, while the international community was gathered there wondering
00:28:52what measures to take here.
00:28:55Our President also gave the necessary approvals
00:28:58for this. Our Chief of General Staff attends the meetings.
00:29:02So, there needs to be a big perspective for Turkey's security here.
00:29:06The Red Sea opens to the Mediterranean through the Suez Canal
00:29:10further north. Who is the most important country in the Mediterranean?
00:29:13We are. We are still the port where all cargo ships in the Mediterranean
00:29:16carrying goods from one place to another definitely stop,
00:29:20with large ports and commercial activity. Therefore,
00:29:24we need to be present to have a say
00:29:27in any formation there.
00:29:31There is nothing more normal than that. Mr. Minister, here's one of the most critical questions,
00:29:35I think: Turkey has always played
00:29:39a calming, sometimes a mediating role in these regional crises,
00:29:42showing leadership in this regard. However, in the Saudi Arabia-
00:29:45Iran tension, it is evident
00:29:49that hot conflicts occur from time to time.
00:29:52It is suggested that this pact, this defense
00:29:56agreement, could affect Turkey's
00:29:59role in this matter. "How does Turkey
00:30:03plan to manage this?"
00:30:06Here, of course, you should think
00:30:09that Russia has
00:30:12an allergy towards NATO, and it is at war with Ukraine. Turkey is
00:30:16a NATO member country, and many NATO countries support Ukraine,
00:30:20but there is no obstacle to mediation. This is a bit about
00:30:23where your country stands and how you conduct business.
00:30:27Here, your political leadership, that is, everyone's trust in our President
00:30:30is very high at this point." I frankly
00:30:34don't see any problem here, meaning that when the parties
00:30:37need a mediator and believe that Turkey is
00:30:41the right mediator, there is no reason for Turkey
00:30:44not to overcome this. So, I don't see a problem here.
00:30:48Sometimes they ask, "How will you be affected by the Saudi Arabia-Iran tension?"
00:30:51This is a bit of a black and white area with no gray,
00:30:55so it's asked directly. But when we talk to Saudi Arabia,
00:30:59they also make their biggest declaration regarding Iran.
00:31:03That is, they don't have a strategy or intention
00:31:06to fight Iran, destroy Iran, or do this or that in Iran.
00:31:10They think differently on this matter.
00:31:14The biggest advice they gave to the Americans was to stop the ongoing violence as soon as possible.
00:31:17A few days ago, when we were
00:31:19in Mecca, Prince Mohammed bin Salman explained this.
00:31:22In his meeting with President Trump, he stated that
00:31:25this war should end as soon as possible, and that military intervention
00:31:29against Iran is not a solution.
00:31:32They have a stance that this issue should be resolved
00:31:35through talks and agreements.
00:31:38Now, Saudi Arabia also sees this, that any war
00:31:41in the region, no matter how many allies you have,
00:31:45does not prevent you from being harmed.
00:31:48However, you need to be deterrent enough
00:31:52not to be attacked. But problems
00:31:56need to be managed in different ways.
00:31:59Now, the Saudi Arabian issue is not about
00:32:03a problem between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
00:32:06It's because there's a problem between them and America and Israel
00:32:09that the question arose at some point.
00:32:12Secondly, there is the issue
00:32:16of who would be most affected by the Strait of Hormuz.
00:32:20Here, Saudi Arabia, due to the measures it has taken
00:32:23and its geographical location, is not affected as much as
00:32:27Iraq, Qatar, or Kuwait by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
00:32:31They are among the 100% affected countries.
00:32:34Saudi Arabia is affected
00:32:37by 45% to 60%, depending on the products
00:32:41and cargo. So, this is a gray area.
00:32:45But have you discussed
00:32:48these issues with your Iranian counterparts regarding
00:32:51the defense agreement? No, with the Iranians,
00:32:55as I mentioned, we have been discussing this in the region
00:32:59for more than two years. There were times when we discussed these with the Iranians
00:33:03as well. That is, when Iran solves
00:33:06its own problems in the region, when it is necessary to enter
00:33:09a collective area to contribute to the constructive
00:33:13policies of the region,
00:33:15their role is also needed. We always say that the Iranians
00:33:19are not strangers to this. Mr. Faruk,
00:33:23please continue. Mr. Minister, does the joint defense
00:33:26agreement foresee an institutional structure within the framework of the agreement?
00:33:29Is it expected that structural institutions such as
00:33:33a permanent joint military command center, coordination
00:33:36council, or secretariat will be established within the framework
00:33:39of the agreement? Will we model it after NATO,
00:33:43or in other words?
00:33:45"Of course, we will learn from our experiences
00:33:49in NATO. There are
00:33:51best practices, as we call them,
00:33:55and there aren't many large permanent defense
00:33:58organizations outside of NATO, which provides a tremendous
00:34:02amount of experience. The examples here will, of course,
00:34:05be presented. Now, as I said, there is a ministerial
00:34:08committee for making strategic decisions at the political and military
00:34:11levels, and NATO also has a foreign ministers' committee."
00:34:15There is a Ministers' committee, and we have merged this committee,
00:34:18establishing a single strategic, political, and
00:34:21military committee. The Foreign Minister, the Minister of National Defense,
00:34:25and the Chief of General Staff of the countries are on this committee.
00:34:29The decisions made by this committee will, of course, be within the framework
00:34:32of the leaders' vision. They need to meet several times a year.
00:34:36There is also a secretariat, which is an institutional
00:34:39arrangement. A secretariat, a general secretariat
00:34:42will be established. The details regarding
00:34:45its establishment, structure, and operation will be discussed
00:34:48with our counterparts at our first meeting.
00:34:52The headquarters of the secretariat will be in Saudi
00:34:55Arabia. We decided on that.
00:34:59Afterwards, we will decide among ourselves
00:35:02how other units, military and civilian, will be established.
00:35:06There will also be military exercises. Exercises
00:35:09will be held, and trainings will be provided.
00:35:13These are already inherent aspects of joint military
00:35:16alliances. Without doing these, you cannot achieve interoperability
00:35:20and common action, because after a while,
00:35:24you will realize that when you find yourself in a joint, God forbid,
00:35:27combat scenario, how will your
00:35:30weapon systems, communication
00:35:32systems communicate with each other,
00:35:35how will they harmonize?
00:35:39These are important issues. But as I said, these are the tasks
00:35:43of the secretariat after it is established. The civilian and military committee there needs to do
00:35:46these. It needs to develop standards
00:35:50for this. Analyses and evaluations are a separate
00:35:53issue, but they have a lot of work to do. As you know, NATO has
00:35:57a large NATO General Secretariat in Brussels, and
00:36:01a large military headquarters in Mons. There are subordinate headquarters to that military headquarters.
00:36:05These are, of course, very large structures.
00:36:07NATO is currently a huge
00:36:11and massive military alliance with 32 member countries.
00:36:15We have started with three countries here right now,
00:36:18taking very modest but concrete steps. At that point, Ms. Büşra has a question,
00:36:22please. Mr. Minister, is the expansion of this mechanism
00:36:25to include other countries on the agenda? Are there other
00:36:29countries that want to join? What kind of mechanism will we see in the future?
00:36:33I don't want to name them, but there are other countries that want
00:36:35to join this.
00:36:39When we were forming and signing this agreement,
00:36:42there was an issue that we had some difficulty
00:36:45deciding on. The prevailing preference
00:36:48of our other partners was that,
00:36:51as stated in the relevant article
00:36:54of this agreement, the three countries
00:36:58should be the founding core countries, and they should play
00:37:01an active role in determining the principles,
00:37:04standards, and the survival of this structure,
00:37:07but other countries should join this
00:37:11with the approval of these core countries. In our President's vision,
00:37:15we already have a vision
00:37:18not to be limited to three countries, but to grow further,
00:37:21and if possible, for all countries in the region to gather under this roof
00:37:25one day.
00:37:27This is the most important step that will bring lasting
00:37:31stability to this region. Look, this region has been known
00:37:35for instability for the last 100 years since the Ottoman withdrawal
00:37:38from the region, one way or another. But
00:37:42now, the regional countries are coming together
00:37:46and taking an important step by taking
00:37:50responsibility. Until now, things have been tried
00:37:53with bilateral steps, but now
00:37:57a bigger step is being taken. I would like to emphasize one more thing:
00:38:00when you look at Pakistan's geographical location, we are actually going beyond
00:38:03the classic definition of the Middle East. So,
00:38:07we are looking at the issue from a broader
00:38:10region, which is also an important point for us.
00:38:13Thank you. Do we have any other questions regarding the agreement?
00:38:17May I ask one last question, sir? There is a mechanism
00:38:20called the regional quartet, and it has been named.
00:38:23How does this relate to this alliance? In fact, part
00:38:27of the alliance is also within that regional quartet. You are talking about the agreement with Egypt.
00:38:30Yes, there is an agreement, but has this alliance
00:38:34also been named?
00:38:37The name of it is, of course,
00:38:40generally being called the Mecca Alliance.
00:38:44However, some also call it the Mecca Defense
00:38:47Alliance. That will probably settle down over time,
00:38:51and it's also related to the partners' decision.
00:38:54But when we shorten it, we usually say the Mecca
00:38:58Alliance. Mecca is a very important place for all of us.
00:39:00Egypt and the
00:39:03regional quartet, the regional quartet is a very important
00:39:06political platform, an informal
00:39:10political platform. It provides a lot of flexibility.
00:39:13This will continue to exist, and it has to.
00:39:17Egypt is already a natural
00:39:20partner for us in all matters.
00:39:23I believe that in the next stage, Egypt will also
00:39:27be among us as an alliance. We already act
00:39:30like allies towards each other, and relations with all countries are like
00:39:34that. There are a few technical issues, and once these are implemented,
00:39:37there is no reason for Egypt
00:39:40not to be there. But the regional quartet
00:39:43maintains its importance. Egypt is an important country.
00:39:47Neither Pakistan nor Saudi Arabia has any disagreement on this.
00:39:50We will continue this together. Thank you. If we have finished
00:39:54our questions regarding the agreement,
00:39:57let's return to the Iran war. Perhaps this defense pact
00:40:01was also an outcome of this war.
00:40:04Because there were some thoughts and ideas,
00:40:08but the war accelerated them. We understand this. What stage
00:40:11do you think this crisis between the US and Iran
00:40:14is at right now? They say we are close to an agreement
00:40:18regarding the Strait of Hormuz. But it changes
00:40:20every day. Different approaches
00:40:24are displayed every week. What is the current situation
00:40:28in the US-Iran crisis, in your opinion? The most important priority everyone is working on
00:40:31is to achieve
00:40:34that will ensure
00:40:37the opening of the strait, even if it's for a temporary period,
00:40:41which is described as 60 days. The proposals on this
00:40:44have matured, the writings have reached
00:40:48a certain point, and now
00:40:51a result will emerge from the complete agreement
00:40:55between Oman and Iran, one located north and the other south of the strait,
00:40:59on a regime and procedure between themselves. I honestly think
00:41:02we are close to this. Of course,
00:41:06we sometimes see that decision-making processes
00:41:09within Iran can take a long time,
00:41:13for understandable reasons. The situation the leadership is in,
00:41:17of course, the security threat and so on, accessibility
00:41:21also carries importance.
00:41:24But right now, the regional countries,
00:41:27America, Western Europe, everyone, actually Asia,
00:41:31demands that this strait be opened
00:41:34as soon as possible. There is a lot of pressure on this.
00:41:38As Turkey,
00:41:42as Turkey, we are currently talking to the parties.
00:41:46If we think there is a deadlock in the matter,
00:41:49we try to resolve it. Here, actually,
00:41:52the parties currently have a preference on certain issues. They don't have
00:41:56any communication problems; they even talk to each other directly. They have no problems in that regard.
00:41:59They have reached that speed now. So, the mediation
00:42:03that all of us have put forward has actually
00:42:07reached a point where the parties can directly communicate with each other.
00:42:11Right now, as I said, there is a procedural
00:42:13situation. The issue is how to regulate
00:42:17the passage in its current form. They are discussing this
00:42:21among themselves. Perhaps
00:42:23one or two countries bordering the strait
00:42:27can provide some additional contribution.
00:42:30Thanks, Yusuf. Please go ahead. Another major issue, of course, is the peace plan in Gaza.
00:42:34Here too, the second phase has begun, Mr. Minister.
00:42:38In this regard, we see that Hamas has especially shown
00:42:42its will to fulfill the requirements
00:42:45of this phase. However, Israel is currently
00:42:49backtracking on these issues. What kind of sanctions
00:42:52can be imposed? What kind of pressure mechanisms can be put in place
00:42:56to address Israel's non-compliance with this situation?
00:42:59I would like to hear that from you.
00:43:02As you stated, for the second
00:43:05phase of the peace talks to begin,
00:43:08the biggest condition was
00:43:12Hamas laying down its weapons
00:43:16in return for certain conditions.
00:43:19An agreement was reached on this, and immediately afterward,
00:43:23the second phase was supposed to begin, meaning
00:43:27that a committee composed of Palestinians
00:43:31was to enter to take over the administration of Palestine,
00:43:35and a stabilization force was to be deployed.
00:43:38Now, Israel hesitated to begin this. We know Israel's strategies very well.
00:43:41Israel never thought that certain issues
00:43:45could be solved diplomatically by Hamas
00:43:49and the Palestinians. So, it always
00:43:53adopted such an attitude in these matters.
00:43:56And when a solution was found, it always postponed it to the next point.
00:43:59As you know, about 4-5
00:44:02hours after Hamas accepted the offer,
00:44:06Israel carried out an attack that resulted in the martyrdom
00:44:10of 18 people. This is something Israel always does,
00:44:13but now no one has even a single sentence
00:44:16to support Israel on this matter. Even the Zionist circles
00:44:20that support Israel the most cannot support it
00:44:23when this happens. Here,
00:44:26Hamas's approach, which prioritizes
00:44:29the Palestinian people, placing their
00:44:33existence before its own, is commendable.
00:44:37The Palestinian people will surely reward
00:44:40and appreciate this. Work in this direction
00:44:44must continue as it is. But as long as Israel's primary
00:44:48goal is to de-Palestinianize Gaza,
00:44:51it will continue to resort to such
00:44:54games. So, how will this be prevented?
00:44:58Here, international
00:45:02political mobilization
00:45:04must be continued without interruption.
00:45:07Creative ideas and keeping the issue on the agenda
00:45:11are necessary. The thing Israel fears most is international
00:45:14isolation. Until today, it has created
00:45:17an illusion in the world using the very wide opportunities
00:45:20it possesses, opportunities that other countries don't have.
00:45:24There is a political practice built upon this illusion
00:45:27that constantly works in Israel's favor, no matter the circumstances.
00:45:31Even when it commits genocide, nothing may happen.
00:45:34But now the whole world sees the diabolical
00:45:38difference between its conscience
00:45:41and the illusion created. It sees
00:45:44that this is not a simple
00:45:47delusion or a mistake to be corrected,
00:45:51and that it should increasingly turn into an independence
00:45:54struggle. The world actually knows
00:45:57that people's minds are being shaped
00:46:01at many points by such an octopus-like
00:46:04movement of information and illusion. This
00:46:08is a multi-layered, very practical, very systematic movement.
00:46:11We, the politically conscious people living in this geography
00:46:15with high awareness, already know this.
00:46:18This is not news to us. We have always
00:46:22been aware of this since childhood. We just saw its mechanism
00:46:26as we grew up and interacted with world events, realizing that this is truly how it works.
00:46:29But for the rest of the world, especially the West,
00:46:32this is big news for many large masses.
00:46:36And Israel has exploited the fact that these masses
00:46:41were unaware of this issue for years.
00:46:45Now, as awareness increases, it sees that there will be more
00:46:49isolation. A new story might be created,
00:46:52a new provocation might be started, a new narrative might be produced,
00:46:56and we need to be prepared for these.
00:47:00But things are no longer as easy as they used to be.
00:47:03I had always said, with a heavy heart at the time,
00:47:07but since we see other events, this is always
00:47:11the case. There is such a dynamic
00:47:15in its operation. in the sunnatullah,
00:47:17that is, when the blood of innocent martyrs, as many as Palestinians,
00:47:20flows in Gaza,
00:47:23it immediately turns into a victory there,
00:47:27but it opens the door to good
00:47:30in many other places, and we often
00:47:34cannot know what this good is, unless
00:47:37we look very closely, a mental organization, a rise
00:47:41in awareness, people waking up to a different
00:47:43world, a new spirit regarding
00:47:46the oppressor, the oppressed, the exploiter, the exploited, a new
00:47:49consciousness, that is,
00:47:53how a world where their opportunities are exploited without even their partners
00:47:56realizing it
00:47:59is secretly built, I think
00:48:03this salvation is a very great salvation, that is, everything
00:48:06is progressing against Israel from one perspective,
00:48:10you say, by killing children and committing
00:48:13genocide, there has never been a victory in world
00:48:17history. Mr. Yahya, please let's continue with you, sir.
00:48:21There is another crisis point that concerns Turkey very closely,
00:48:24Ukraine-Russia, there is a strategic
00:48:28is deepening, Russian territories have also become a part
00:48:31of the war with Ukraine's attacks, but most importantly, Turkish ships
00:48:34are especially targeted in the Black Sea. There are two problems here. One,
00:48:38in the context of the Black Sea, Ankara is of course warning
00:48:42both Kiev and Moscow, but
00:48:45saldırıların Türk gemilerini özellikle Karadeniz'deki saldırıların
00:48:49durması için bir mekanizma devreye girebilir mi? Burada bir plan var mı?
00:48:52de Karadeniz'in tamamı oldu, ilk önce askeri tarafları. ikincisi siz Moskova'ya da gittiniz
00:48:54geçtiğimiz ay çok kritik bir ziyaretti o sonra Kiev'e gittiniz,
00:48:58barışacakları çok konuşuluyordu ama bir anda iş bambaşka bir
00:49:01noktaya gitti, eee Rusya Ukrayna arasındaki anlaşmanın
00:49:05önündeki en en önemli engel şu anda nedir, bu konuda ne
00:49:08düşünüyorsunuz?
00:49:10Yani sorunuzun ilk kısmından
00:49:12başlayacak
00:49:15olursak eee uyarılarımız maalesef çıkıyor, işte savaşın
00:49:18yaygınlaştığı alanlardan biri
00:49:22limanları vuruyorlardı, askeri gemileri vuruyorlardı, şimdi
00:49:25ticari bütün gemileri vuruyorlar şey yapmadan, ayrım
00:49:29yapmadan, maalesef burada eee türk gemileri yani türk sahipli
00:49:32veya türk bayraklı gemiler de eee nasibini alıyor
00:49:36can a mechanism be put in place
00:49:40to stop these attacks on Turkish ships, especially the attacks in the Black Sea?
00:49:43Is there a plan here? Secondly, you went to Moscow last month,
00:49:46it was a very critical visit, then you went to Kiev,
00:49:50it was talked about that they would make peace,
00:49:53but suddenly things went in a completely different direction.
00:49:57What is the biggest obstacle to the agreement between Russia and Ukraine
00:50:00right now? What do you think about this?
00:50:03So, to start with the first part of your question,
00:50:07unfortunately, our warnings are coming true. One of the areas
00:50:11where the war has spread is the entire Black Sea. First, they were targeting
00:50:15military sides. They were hitting ports, military ships,
00:50:18now they are hitting all commercial ships without discrimination. Unfortunately,
00:50:30Turkish ships, that is, Turkish-owned or Turkish-flagged ships,
00:50:34are also affected. So, sometimes they are foreign-flagged
00:50:37but Turkish-owned, sometimes
00:50:40they are foreign-flagged and foreign-owned but
00:50:44have Turkish crews working on them.
00:50:47There are three categories of ships. We are closely monitoring
00:50:50all of them. Currently,
00:50:54the number of Turkish ships being targeted is relatively
00:50:58lower compared to other targeted ships,