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00:02:54violent anti- migrant protests have been unfolding in Britain with
00:02:57of hundreds of mass
00:02:58me demonstrators discent. on UK ports, with public anger
00:03:02growing and people smugglers using new roots to reach the UK,
00:03:06can Britain get a handle its migration
00:03:13of problem.
00:03:25The UK
00:03:26of government has condemned
00:03:27of anti-migrant protests in some of its ports. cities as intimidating
00:03:31and thuggish. Britain has struggled for years to curb small bow
00:03:36in crossings from France, and now larger numbers of asylum seekers are
00:03:39arriving on single vessels, so-called megaadingies,
00:03:43using new roots to reach English
00:03:45shores.
00:03:49Clad in black, faces covered, hundreds of men
00:03:53blocked
00:03:54of access to the UK's
00:03:55of busiest furry ports, Dover, a
00:03:57of mass protest against illegal migrant. crossing the English
00:04:01Channel from
00:04:02France. In
00:04:06Portsmoth, riot police pushed back anti-migrant
00:04:09protesters as they tried to stop coaches carrying
00:04:12140 migrants who arrived a single mega
00:04:16dingy. The government has condemned the violent
00:04:19behavior, including assaults on police officers and damage
00:04:23to emergency vehicles. As a
00:04:26in politician, I believe in the right to peaceful protest, but what we've saw
00:04:30in Portsmoth obviously crosses a line, it was thuggish
00:04:34and intimidating behavior and I just want to thank the police and other
00:04:38emergency
00:04:39of services for bringing it under
00:04:40control. Anti-immigration
00:04:44Group Patriot Platform led by
00:04:47of Influencer Danny Thomas organized the
00:04:50of process. Why could they stop them on the beaches? They knew they were there. Migrant
00:04:53boats usually cross close to the French port of Calle into
00:04:57Dover on the UK's southeast coast. but now an
00:05:01alternative route has been used from near Sherboh in
00:05:04of western France to Portsmoth. It's
00:05:07a incredibly unusual
00:05:08of for a dingy like this to come into Portal. We haven't seen this before.
00:05:12um and I am concerned as police and crime commissioner that this could be the
00:05:16new route that people traffickers are choosing to take to avoid
00:05:20the processing situation that happens when people land in
00:05:23Dover. The rise in migrant boat
00:05:26arrivals has increased anti-immigrant sentiment in
00:05:30recent years and helped fuel the popularity of
00:05:33parties such as Reform UK. We
00:05:37will stop the boats within the first 100
00:05:41days of government end the number of
00:05:45migrant arrivals on small boats reached record highs last
00:05:49year, 30,000 between January and September,
00:05:52but for the same period this year has dropped 40% to
00:05:5617,000, but the deployment of new
00:06:00megazingies along a different migration route risks
00:06:03driving those numbers right back
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00:06:10Well, let's bring in our guests for this one. Piersel is a former special advisor
00:06:14at the UK's home office, Sebastian Salic is a former
00:06:18labor counselor and political journalist, and in London we're joined by
00:06:22Mithna Quibus, who is a senior researcher at the migration
00:06:26observatory at the University of Oxford, you're all very welcome to round
00:06:30table. Clare, to you first of all, give us your impression of
00:06:34public anger and opinion on this whole issue. The public
00:06:38are very angry, but I don't think it's quite necessarily
00:06:42the way. that it's meant to be, I think that they are being told there is a
00:06:45problem, if you look at social media, if you look at news reports, you're being
00:06:49told that this is huge number of people coming over or
00:06:52invading the UK, and so they believe that it is a
00:06:56problem, so the perception of it, I think is actually worse, but I think people are angry at
00:07:00governments generally for not being able to get a handle on the amount of people coming
00:07:04across the channel if we're going to talk about that root, but also those coming by
00:07:08legal means, the anger is now turning to those people, which I
00:07:12is the wrong way for any immigration conversation to go. Sebastian,
00:07:16these protests we've seen, these masked men turning up and disrupting
00:07:20towns like Dolver and cities like Portsmoth and causing problems.
00:07:24Andy Burnham, the prime minister describes this is the politics of poison.
00:07:28How does he stop this poison from spreading? Well, the logical answer
00:07:32would
00:07:32be to tackle the issue, but I don't think that is the real answer, because this is an emotional
00:07:35question. Clay, you alluded to it, if you uh, if you pull people,
00:07:39they will tell you that immigration is going up and that... immigration is going out when
00:07:43in fact both are falling uh and so even if this issue gets solved it doesn't go
00:07:47away. we've seen all of that progress and yet people are still standing there on
00:07:51the border in masks getting very angry and that's because there are certain people
00:07:54whose political futures rely on it and they have to find those flames to be able to stay
00:07:58relevant. meetna to you, how have you felt seeing
00:08:02these protests, these very threatening and intimidating groups of men turning up in
00:08:06balaclavers and masks. how how have you felt seeing
00:08:09this? i think it's a it's a... challenge that we've been
00:08:13seeing for number of years now, so we go back at least the last couple
00:08:17of years, we've seen these repeated outbursts of protest,
00:08:21whether those were about asylum hotels, about specific
00:08:25areas receiving small boat migrants, everything around
00:08:28immigration is now uh is now under a spector of
00:08:32of lot of frustration, it's been going on and it's been building up for number
00:08:36of years, so I think it's it's not necessarily surprising
00:08:40to to see this happen once more. "why do so many people want to
00:08:44come to the United Kingdom and claim asylum when they've traveled through
00:08:48multiple other countries across europe?
00:08:52there's no one single reason, there's a large number of
00:08:55people who all want to get to the UK for a variety of
00:08:59reasons, for some it's because they have friends or
00:09:02family here in the UK, others just want to
00:09:06get here because the English language or because
00:09:10the UK's image as safe and..." welcoming place, there's
00:09:14also the the issue of Brexit, now the fact that
00:09:18the UK is no longer part of the EU's asylum
00:09:21arrangements has meant that in some ways the UK is
00:09:25now a form of court of appeals for asylum
00:09:29applications in the EU, so we have two situations, either
00:09:33people who've applied for asylum somewhere else, whether that's France,
00:09:37Germany, somewhere in the EU and have gotten rejected,
00:09:40or we have the case of people, 'who've entered the EU through
00:09:44countries like Italy and Greece on the southern periphery, they were
00:09:48registered there, and they risk being sent back to
00:09:52these
00:09:53uh countries of first entry if they apply for asylum somewhere else in
00:09:56Europe. Now because we're no longer part these arrangements,
00:10:00that's not a problem in the UK, they cannot be sent back. The
00:10:04UK government does not have access to databases to
00:10:08tell them if people have been rejected asylum elsewhere.'
00:10:12for example, and we know that if you go and ask people
00:10:16in northern France, they do consider that that to be
00:10:20reason, at least some them. thank you. claire, you spent years
00:10:24working with. to
00:10:25may when she was home secretary in the home office dealing with this issue and obviously she
00:10:29went to become prime minister and you worked with her as well, a couple of reports this
00:10:33week and it was one from the UN HCR saying that the
00:10:36speed the work in the home office right now is
00:10:40far more important to the government than the quality um that they're
00:10:44pushing through people who not necessarily should be getting asylum, is
00:10:48that your experience? no it wasn't, I mean we were dealing with quite
00:10:52a large backlog when I was at the home office, but where near the size
00:10:56the uh the work in progress field that they have currently,
00:11:00it's always going to be a challenging area because you are
00:11:04reliant upon other countries giving you information. if somebody states that
00:11:08they're from Eritrea or from South Sudan, you have to verify that,
00:11:12and those countries are not always the best at record keeping, they're
00:11:15not always going to give you the information quickly, so there are number of
00:11:19challenges, but I think the home office is just too large in itself, and I said
00:11:23for a long time that it needs to be... split, you need to take out
00:11:26immigration, make an own standalone department where you can pour the
00:11:30resources where you need them at the times that you do need them, because otherwise you're
00:11:34just being spread across national security, policing,
00:11:37drugs, uh, passports, you name it that comes into the home
00:11:41office, so I think that is part the problem that nobody ever seems to want to deal
00:11:45with. Is that solution, Sebastian, for you, creating an immigration
00:11:49department, because other countries have them, and I'd be interested to see what
00:11:52benefits that has, because all of those issues you mention. whether it's um policing or
00:11:56drugs, they're all linked with immigration as well, so I would imagine having not worked in the home
00:12:00office that you need those people to be speaking each other, um, I know that's reform pledge
00:12:04as well to separate it out, um, but I think the solutions are probably lot more
00:12:08global as well, it's about working with people, whether they're in Europe or in the Middle
00:12:12East, because these are trails that start a long, long way away from the UK and
00:12:15end up here, and it's only by keeping those relationships strong that we can, we can
00:12:19tackle that that very long problem. Claire, you live in Kent, which
00:12:23is huge county in the... of England, Dover is one the towns there, how are local
00:12:27people feeling when they see these gangs of hoodlums turning up in balaletlavas and
00:12:31masks? I spoke to number of people when the protest
00:12:34happened, and they said how intimidating it was, there
00:12:38was somebody in their car going into the town just to do some shopping
00:12:42and was stopped at around about by somebody wearing a balaclava, dressed in
00:12:46black, just standing and staring at them, and they said, this is the kind
00:12:50of tactic that you would have seen in Belfast in the
00:12:531970s, not Dover. 2026 and all they were trying to
00:12:57do was get to the shops, so local businesses have suffered, there will be
00:13:01those who support them, support these protesters, but I think
00:13:05that grinding the town to a hause as they did, all they managed
00:13:08to stop were freight trucks and people coming either back from
00:13:12holiday or going onto their holiday, so they weren't that happy about it. who is
00:13:16this Danny Tomoll guy who is on this patriot
00:13:20platform who seems to be coordinating lot the
00:13:23anti-migrant responses? England, he's got an
00:13:27interesting character when you look, he um, I, I understand
00:13:31he met uh Tommy Robinson, who is another sort of right-wing
00:13:34agitator in prison, so it gives you the measure of the
00:13:38individual that you're dealing with, and he's managed to get a bunch of
00:13:42people who don't like anybody coming to this country via any
00:13:45means whatsoever, and I have to say the organization
00:13:49for Dover was very, very good, Kent police were caught
00:13:53completely on the hop, they... "know it was happening, it was incredibly
00:13:57organized, people were coming from long distances, they were disciplined, and
00:14:01I think that should be a worry for everybody, how disciplined and
00:14:05not that information didn't leak out in the same way that it
00:14:09normally would, so I think that that is a really worrying aspect, I think he
00:14:13will do himself more damage, I think that there are a number of legal issues that
00:14:17he is caught up in currently, so all these things will come to the force, so whether
00:14:20he's going to lead it for much longer, I think it remains to be seen. Sebastian
00:14:24with..." seen protest now in Dolver and the city of
00:14:28Portsmoth, is there a fear that every weekend that
00:14:32comes there will be more? I mean there was certainly people who's it's in their political
00:14:35interest for that to happen. What's happened in Portsmoth was was new that we haven't
00:14:39seen boats turning up in Portsmoth before um and it's a much longer route from
00:14:43from France to Portsmoth than it is from France to to Dover and the reason that's
00:14:47happening is because the supply chains are being frustrated the boats aren't
00:14:50in as much availability as they were before and um they're getting stopped.
00:14:55they're getting caught, so these people are business owners, they are not going to disrupt their own
00:14:58operations unless they really have to, and and so what we're seeing really is a is a step
00:15:02forward, it doesn't feel like that if you're living in Portsmoth, I grant you, um, but this
00:15:06is - a disruption in progress and we should be, we should be pleased with that. Thank
00:15:10you. Mitana, talk to me about the changing and evolving
00:15:14tactics these people smuggling gangs then, because we're seeing much bigger
00:15:18dinges with more people on them, and the route seems
00:15:22to be changing as well, they're launching like 200 kilometers. southwest of
00:15:26Cale? Absolutely, we're seeing all these
00:15:30changes at the same time, and this is again not necessarily
00:15:33new thing. It's always been the case that the dynamic.
00:15:37between the authorities and smugglers has always had that bit of a
00:15:41cat and mouse nature where you have the authorities trying to put
00:15:45pressure on migrants and smugglers and then you see these responses
00:15:49where they try to adapt to these challenges, try to circumvent these
00:15:53new restrictions. we've seen, we've seen changes in two big
00:15:56areas uh paralleling essentially what we've seen the government
00:16:00tried to do with enforcement, so we've had many more patrols,
00:16:04drones, things like that in and around. the
00:16:07area
00:16:09in in the area around Cali, so there's been an increase in stuffing on the
00:16:12French side, more funding from the UK side, that's made it more
00:16:16difficult for boats to leave from this more traditional departure
00:16:20points, and as you say, we've seen more and more these departures
00:16:24from either further down the coast uh towards the west, we also
00:16:28saw number of arrivals coming uh from Belgium in the first half the
00:16:32year, so that indicates that it's becoming harder for them to
00:16:36operate u in northern France, we've also seen at the
00:16:40same time more disruption of supply chains, we've seen more boats
00:16:44being seized, more engines being captured, that's
00:16:47meant that very likely uh there might be a bit of a shortage
00:16:51of equipment in northern fronce, partly as
00:16:55result we're seeing these so-called megaadingies arrive
00:16:59over the summer, essentially acceleration of a trend that we've
00:17:03seen for a while where they try to pack as many people as
00:17:06possible on to a smaller number of boats that were still
00:17:09available, we have this ongoing dynamic, now the real question
00:17:13is which side will be able to stay ahead
00:17:17uh in in the coming few months, are they going to find ways around
00:17:21these new restrictions or will the government which is aware these
00:17:25dynamics uh manage to stay ahead? thank you,
00:17:28claire, the authorities always seem to be a couple of steps
00:17:32behind these criminal gangs, yeah these
00:17:36bigger dinges, different... roots, the technology, they they
00:17:39clearly have very sharp business model, and they are ruthless
00:17:43people, they do, and and before the boats became such a big
00:17:47issue that we used to see people coming in via the back of a
00:17:50lorry or a camper van, and I was down at
00:17:54Dover port with the home office looking at how people had been concealing
00:17:58migrants in vehicles, and I have to say, if these if these criminal
00:18:02gangs had turned their attention to something a little bit more worthwhile, they would
00:18:06have been some very clever and... engineers over here, because they were
00:18:10so superb, but adapting and very, very quickly, and I think this
00:18:14is what we don't appreciate is that if their business model is threatened and
00:18:17Sebastian mentions it, this is their livelihood, they're going to
00:18:21change their model and they're going to do it pretty quick cuz they cannot afford to lose
00:18:25what they've got, so if you have a group of people desperate to come to the United
00:18:29Kingdom, you're not going to turn them away, you're going to find ever more inventive ways
00:18:33of doing it, so I think that we will always be two steps behind.
00:18:37the same way
00:18:38that we are with any other criminal gang, whether it's uh drugs or whether it's
00:18:41firearms or whether it's cash, we are always going to be on catch
00:18:45up, unless we can make a breakthrough and take somebody out who is at the head of an
00:18:49organization. President Macron visited Andy Burnom in London
00:18:53last week, how important is that relationship, because lot of people in the UK feel
00:18:57that the French government have had huge sums of money to fix this problem at
00:19:01source and have not delivered, that that's the sentiment, but when you look at the number
00:19:04that are decreasing, you have to give some cred credit to the friend. because it's their border that they're
00:19:08policing um and it's therefore the reason that we're seeing fewer people come over. now look,
00:19:12it's very politically convenient for anybody in this country to to have a go at
00:19:16the French, it sells papers, it does really well uh, but we have to remember
00:19:20that their problem is our problem, and look, we struck deal with Belgium this week, um,
00:19:24it's the deal with China that has has reduced the number of small boats because we've stopped
00:19:28the motors coming across, so it goes back to that international story and how critical it
00:19:32is to maintain those relationships, because we're only going to do it with that involvement, but there are
00:19:35people uh within reform. elsewhere who, I don't think see the value in
00:19:39that, their politics is around domestic um
00:19:42agenda, and um, that's why I don't feel that we we're going to tackle this issue
00:19:46if they were at the helm. Claire, is this an election issue next time around, do
00:19:50you think for Andy Barnam? I think it's always an election issue,
00:19:54and it's one of those questions that if you if you just go out onto the doorstep
00:19:58and speak to voters and you say, "I'm I'm from whichever party,
00:20:02I, you, how can I help?" And they will tell you that it is cost
00:20:06of living, it is, uh schools, it is healthcare,
00:20:10you have to be prompted, I think with immigration. I think people do
00:20:14consider it a problem, but it it's not right at the top the list. It is
00:20:18increasing, but I largely put that down to the fact that
00:20:20it is all over social media, it is all over the news, it is everywhere you
00:20:24turn, so it it the perception again is that it's much more of
00:20:28issue, especially in some areas that have absolutely next to no
00:20:32immigration at all, so you can't say that in those
00:20:35places like the southwest of England. very, very little
00:20:39um migrant contact, but it will still be a
00:20:42problem uh come the elections, so I don't think any political party can afford
00:20:46to just turn their noses up. Thanks Clar, me. Uh,
00:20:50the fact remains that the numbers are actually down this year despite what the
00:20:54public perception may be. Uh, exactly,
00:20:58we've seen quite a bit of progress in terms of bringing numbers down this
00:21:02year, so if we look at figures over the last 12
00:21:05months, uh, numbers are at their lowest level since uh
00:21:092021. The last time we were at these levels was back in December
00:21:13of 2021, so far in 2026, numbers
00:21:17are down by 47%. The... been a downward
00:21:21trend uh going back to September and uh they they seem to
00:21:24continue doing that, so that's uh that's definitely significant. And
00:21:28in your experience, do you think the numbers will
00:21:31dwindle now as we get into rougher seas and the weather changes and
00:21:35autumn changes to winter? I think one thing is
00:21:39clear is that it's impossible to predict what's going to happen over the next
00:21:43few months, what we do know is that generally we see
00:21:47more arrivals in those... former summer months, we've
00:21:51had very quiet summer by historical standards, the fewest number of people
00:21:55coming over during the summer since uh 2020,
00:21:59but I think in the next two or three months we need to pay attention to those
00:22:03numbers because there were years like 2022 when
00:22:07there were significant numbers of people coming uh over the channel
00:22:10going down to going uh to towards November, depends
00:22:14in the short run
00:22:15it depends on the weather as well so I think uh we we'll just have to wait and
00:22:19see. Thank you, Claire, talk to me about social media and the
00:22:22responsibility these companies, because these mass protesters
00:22:26are seeing videos are being rallied around social
00:22:29media, and the gangs too are selling this vision of
00:22:33Britain to migrants to come here, how much responsibility do
00:22:37social media companies bear? I think that they they bear
00:22:41quite a lot of responsibility because they are essentially um a publisher, now
00:22:44they will seek to to differ from that and and will point out what
00:22:48laws people are breaking. is
00:22:50this illegal? so it's a really gray
00:22:53area. i worry that if you try and put too much legislation
00:22:57on it, you push it further into the dark where where you've got absolutely no
00:23:00control
00:23:01at all. so i think in some respects if it's there, you can see it and you can understand
00:23:05what you're dealing with, but unfortunately, as we all know that
00:23:09fake information goes around an awful lot quicker than fact, so this is where a
00:23:13lot these protests and lot the anger come from is that they're being told
00:23:17a story which may not actually be entirely true. so it it
00:23:21is very very difficult,
00:23:22I think yes they should shut some accounts down, but you will only then make a
00:23:26martter of those individuals and they become a much bigger success
00:23:29story because of it. Sebastian, talking of fake information, I
00:23:33saw new story this week in England that the Pakistan under 19
00:23:37cricket team who are here to play England under 19 a series of
00:23:40tests, their hotel. Word went around that
00:23:44migrants were staying in this hotel, people had seen a bus load of young
00:23:48Pakistani arriving at the hotel. tell their professional cricketers
00:23:52playing England and mob of 60 men turned up outside
00:23:56demanding to know if they were asylum seekers, that's where we are as a country, I'm afraid,
00:24:00and you heart back to Axel Ridber and the awful things he did a couple of summers
00:24:03ago, and the original rumors were that he was asylum seeker and he
00:24:07turned out to be have been born in this country, but it didn't stop the riots from spreading, it didn't stop people
00:24:11from saying awful things on social media, um, it is very,
00:24:15very easy because the level of fear and because the level of false
00:24:18information or indeed. information spun a slightly different way on social media
00:24:22but also within our traditional press um that that it clicks with people a certain
00:24:26way. this is its core very human story. it's not about numbers, it's not about reality,
00:24:30it's about how it makes people feel. if you say to somebody this tribe of people is going to break
00:24:34in and come for your tribe of people, that's going to have very visal effect and certain politicians
00:24:38use that incredibly successfully. meetna, just come in on social media,
00:24:42do you have any concerns about these companies that are allowing people to
00:24:46put out misinformation or indeed allowing criminal gangs?
00:24:50sell vision of Britain to would be
00:24:52migrants. I think it's it's hard to
00:24:56say what the solution to these matters would be as clear said there are
00:25:00threaded offs involved and there's no simple way to address it. What
00:25:03is clear is that social media has undoubtedly played a
00:25:07big role including uh in the small boats industry. We've
00:25:11seen several cases over the last few years when
00:25:15uh we saw spike arrivals from certain nationalities. There was a
00:25:19big spike in. Albanian arrivals back in
00:25:212022, there was another spike in Vietnamese
00:25:25arrivals in 2024. It does seem based on the
00:25:29evidence that these spikes were driven at least in
00:25:32part by social media campaign, targeting
00:25:36people from these countries, advertising cheap crossings
00:25:40and the potential benefits of getting to Britain, so it's a it's a tricky
00:25:44part of story, but it's something that the policy makers would have to to
00:25:48consider. Thank you. Claire. What does Andy Burnham do if you were
00:25:51him now? What would you be advising? It's it's really
00:25:55difficult because I don't think there is one answer that you can give that
00:25:59will solve this problem and successive governments have. different
00:26:03things, I think one important factor is -
00:26:06deterrent, and currently we have very little in the way of
00:26:09deterrant. I know that my party, the conservative party were
00:26:13very keen on Rwanda as a third country, but I
00:26:17was very critical of that, because it was ill thought through, but I do think that you need
00:26:21to work with partners in Europe and in the wider
00:26:25region to look at how you deal with the amounts of people
00:26:28coming across, where are they coming from, and just learning a little bit more about it, we've... got
00:26:32to stop worrying that we're talking to other countries,
00:26:36yes the United Kingdom is a stand-alone country in its own right, but we
00:26:40cannot do this alone and we have to have solution that is much more international.
00:26:44Sebastian, reform UK have their problems at the moment, there is
00:26:47investigation into allegations of foreign donation
00:26:51seeking, there's also a parliamentary investigation into Nigel Farage
00:26:55and he denies any wrong-doing as does the party, but this whole situation
00:26:59plays into their hands doesn't it in terms of... what the public
00:27:03think and what they want to hear from political leaders? oh, definitely, and anytime
00:27:07immigration is discussed in whatever way, whether there's reform representative there or
00:27:10not, it is good for them, because as long as that issue remains salient and it remains front
00:27:14of people's minds, and they are the people who are going to sweep up the the political goodwill
00:27:18from that. play, do you think that's why reform are so high in the poles
00:27:21still? i think it's got a lot to do with it. uh,
00:27:25people like to, they think that they're saying what
00:27:29the average person wants to hear, and i think it's plays well
00:27:33in some audiences, they have other details, so immigration is their
00:27:37one issue, and I think if you take that away, the party is left with very little
00:27:41else, and mehna, just talk to me about how migrants
00:27:45when they come ashore will be feeling if they see these gangs of mass young
00:27:48men turning up very aggressively. I
00:27:52think it's it's difficult to speak and and to relate that to
00:27:56that kind of situation. I think to a certain extent in
00:28:00in that immediate period after... arrival, it is a more limited
00:28:04problem, all those uh processing facilities at Mars
00:28:07and a round over, those tend to be
00:28:11relatively self-contained, what we have seen though
00:28:14is uh, in terms of intimidation happening
00:28:18around the country, once asylum seekers are dispersed,
00:28:22especially around hotels, hotels have been a focal
00:28:26point of protests over the last few years, now the number
00:28:30of active asylum hotels has gone down, significantly, we've seen
00:28:34a two-thirds decline in the number of asylum seekers in
00:28:37hotels over the last two years, that will
00:28:40keep that issue limited to a certain extent, but it's always been
00:28:44a moving target, and anything to do with with
00:28:48asylum seekers with small boats arrivals around the country,
00:28:51particularly in smaller communities, it's
00:28:55going to
00:28:55to be a significant point of tension. mina, thank you, and my thanks to clarent
00:28:59sebastian as well, remember you can see more discussion debate on our
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