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00:04:29of of hello and welcome to roundtable, I'm Inter Brady, now in securing Europe's vast
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00:04:52non UK marine commando sees a Russian shadow fleet oil
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00:05:10of becoming more frequent last week, Nato allies foiled a
00:05:14Russian submarine plot to damage undersea
00:05:16cables. The EU and NATO are warning
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00:05:23Europeans are faced with the hard truth
00:05:27that this is the new normal. We must treat our
00:05:31everyday infrastructure as frontline targets and
00:05:35protect them accordingly. Allies are united
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00:05:42defense and we are clear about how
00:05:46important it is that we work together, including with the
00:05:50European Union, to ensure we have what we need
00:05:53to address the threats we face.
00:05:5790% of Europe's trade, energy and digital data moves
00:06:01through its seas, to protect them from above and below
00:06:04water, the EU has spent 130 billion dollars on
00:06:08maritime defense over the past decade, France, Germany,
00:06:12Italy and Spain lead the way, building new ships, submarines
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00:06:34The war in Ukraine has fundamentally changed European defense
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00:06:39and while drones fill the skies there, and... scene battle is
00:06:43developing underwater which could damage, disrupt and even
00:06:47take down Europe's vital
00:06:49infrastructure. Well, let's meet our guests from
00:06:53Dublin, we have the retired vice admiral Mark Melet. He's former
00:06:57chief of staff the Irish Defense Forces and former head the
00:07:00Navy. Mark is also author. From Brussels, we have
00:07:03Jean-François Bellanger, he is assistant professor at the Institute for
00:07:07Military Operations, that's at the Royal Danish Defense College in
00:07:11Copenhagen. And I'm delighted
00:07:13to say here with me in the studio is Shan Bell. Sean is a military
00:07:17analyst and retired Air Vice Marshall. You're all very welcome to Round
00:07:21Table. Sean to you first of all, where are the threats coming from
00:07:24then? Yeah, I mean, one thing to remember is that we got
00:07:27some maritime experts here, but the vast majority of global trade moves via the
00:07:31oceans and therefore you need to be able to protect that. The main threats are
00:07:35the critical national infrastructure. We've got lots of cables and pipelines underneath the
00:07:39ocean. We've also got GPS that can be jammed. the ocean as
00:07:43well and we're also seeing certainly
00:07:44in the UK lot of Russian uh oil tankers, the sanction
00:07:48fleet are making their way through, and therefore you need to have capability against
00:07:52them critically for the cold war and I'm a cold war
00:07:55veteran, um we used to be looking at main focus on his submarine warfare, we
00:07:59recognize that the subserfice threat was really dangerous, but over the
00:08:03years we've lost the ability to do that as credibly as we used to be able
00:08:06to and threats like Russia and China, but most particularly Russia
00:08:10has something like 50. submarines available, we've got
00:08:14five, and most of those are actually not serviceable and they're all concurrently in
00:08:18being worked on, so we do have a significant shortfall in our
00:08:22military capability in the maritime environment. Jean-fençois, to
00:08:26you, I read an extraordinary statistic this week,
00:08:2990% of Europe's trade goes via the
00:08:32sea. We are hugely, hugely dependent on our waters,
00:08:36are we doing enough to protect them? I will, I will
00:08:40give the the wishy washy answer of. and no. um, I think the
00:08:44investment that we're seeing at the moment are a
00:08:47good uh, there are good steps. um, what I'm
00:08:51a little bit unclear about, and I think it's it's touching on on some points
00:08:55that that we're having here is that the choices that we're making at the moment
00:08:59to defend, and and to be to be clear,
00:09:03um, my my day today is to look mostly at the North Sea and the
00:09:06Baltics, um, but when you look at these two
00:09:10environments, the way the way the... geography and and the
00:09:14sea works um frigates are not
00:09:17necessarily the most uh
00:09:20well prepared platform to defend for
00:09:24example the the Baltics uh but I'm yet to see and
00:09:28you see it piece meal lefts and right left and right um but I
00:09:32think especially in the EU um I'm yet to
00:09:36see very strong argument being
00:09:39made for uncrued vehicle maritime.
00:09:42especially um that could that could either be
00:09:46fielded in conjunction with frigate and submarine for example uh or
00:09:50also as part the main strategy uh
00:09:53moving forward. Mark, to you, what's your assessment
00:09:57of how secure our European seas
00:10:00are? in some ways i think it's um
00:10:04tying the other two speakers points, it's like as if the oceans
00:10:08sneak sneak up snook up on us and we just realizing
00:10:12how much... of our infrastructure is ocean-based, our
00:10:15communications cables, our energy interconnectors, our sea
00:10:19lines communications in terms of trade, they're all converging
00:10:23on the oceans and I've often said that state security is inextricably
00:10:27linked with economic security, which is inextrickably linked with energy
00:10:31security, and our oceans are key component of
00:10:35that, so I'm concerned that the architecture in terms of law the
00:10:39sea convention from 1982 and its subsequent
00:10:42amendments, is no longer fit for purpose in the context of what we see
00:10:46today. Europe in particular is engaged a full-scale hybrid
00:10:50war, and much of that is centered on the ocean, and just
00:10:54to tie into your last... speaker there, we need a lot more situational
00:10:57awareness in the context the complexity of activities that are at
00:11:01sea, so we are quite vulnerable. Sean,
00:11:05to you, Europe is spending money on defense like never before, or not
00:11:09in living memory anyway, is enough
00:11:12of it going on the sea, I think a lot of it's down to
00:11:15priority priorities, I've been off to Ukraine fairly regularly, and you go
00:11:19through Poland and they feel the heat the Russian
00:11:22invasion far more than we... ever do over here through the lens
00:11:26of history, but also because obviously it's right on their border, and
00:11:30therefore they're investing heavily, but in land forces, in tanks and air
00:11:33and they're less worried about the maritime environment. we
00:11:37traditionally in the UK have been a mari time nation, we've been a
00:11:40maritime power, so whilst lot of Europe tends to look east, we really need
00:11:44to be looking west and north, and therefore it feels like
00:11:48nationally and with some of Nordic partners, France and Spain and
00:11:52Italy, all of which you have so key marat. borders, but
00:11:56actually that's where it's
00:11:57a different priority, and I do think you can't just sort of say NATO or
00:12:01Europe here, you have to have subsets of where our
00:12:04responsibility lies, because we're seeing in the UK, when it's the
00:12:07Antar, and just off our shores, where it's the Russian submarines and their
00:12:11test submarines lautering over under sea cables, whether it's aircraft
00:12:15coming over, we're feeling that heat a lot more than I would say Poland does,
00:12:19for example. Jean Francis, is there an argument for greater
00:12:22integration then amongst European countries? European Union states in particular
00:12:26when it comes to maritime and coastal
00:12:29defense, well, it's an
00:12:33interesting question to me, because this integration is already done and it's done
00:12:37through NATO uh, and I understand that the European Union at the
00:12:40moment is interested to um
00:12:44look at alternative when it comes to um
00:12:48to its security, especially marime security. Thank you,
00:12:52Mark, you're in Ireland, I'm Irish, we are... small
00:12:55country, we have a small navy, we are neutral, lot
00:12:59of observers see us as like an achille's heal in western
00:13:03Europe when it comes to sea defense, what do you say to that
00:13:06accusation? well, i spent most of my time in the
00:13:10navy, i ser for 45 years and i retired as
00:13:14chief of defense or chief of staff the defense forces, i've always made
00:13:18point, ireland did not pay sufficient attention to the maritime,
00:13:22but that's that's changing now, we've launched our marity. security
00:13:25strategy, we're investing in air surveillance, we're investing in
00:13:29subsurface surveillance, but the bigger question is, in
00:13:33terms the security strategy, we need to move towards an integrated approach,
00:13:37and I think your last speaker raised point with regards to the NATO and the
00:13:41European Union. I see this even bigger than that. I think the reality
00:13:45is that we now need military and civilian integration, navy and
00:13:49coast guard, public and private, national and European, physical and
00:13:53cyber, so that we're actually stitching. together all the domains,
00:13:56land in terms of surveillance radars, land base radars, maritime in terms
00:14:00of surface assets, subsurface assets and space in terms
00:14:04of using synthetic aperture radar, evolving technologies, i
00:14:08work with a company here in ireland called yubotica, using AI in space and
00:14:12of course cyber, stitching cyber into the architecture, so the
00:14:16ultimately that we have what we're increasingly talking about now, a
00:14:19whole of society approach to defense, security,
00:14:23control and enforcement in the... marim domain, Ireland has quite
00:14:27a large mountain decline in terms of meeting its national
00:14:31responsibilities and equally its responsibilities to its
00:14:34neighbors, but it's in moving in the right direction. The
00:14:38challenge is, will something happen in the meantime, and
00:14:42we've seen the activity the Yantar, in fact it doesn't even have
00:14:44to be a yantar, it can be decommissioned traller that has the capacity
00:14:48to do a hybrid impact that cuts cable. The issue is,
00:14:52are we a position now to have a situational? awareness, the domain
00:14:56awareness to actually act in time, to decide and to
00:15:00act and to prevent. Thank you. Sean, this ship that keeps getting mentioned,
00:15:04the And tower, just spell out for us what it is, and and what we think it might have
00:15:08been doing around British waters. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of Russian vessels where it's air
00:15:12land or maritime that do lots of reconnaissance, and whilst in
00:15:16itself it looks fairly innocent, but what it's actually doing is hovering up lots of
00:15:19data intelligence, but also more crucially, working out where our
00:15:23under sea cables are, but... also what reaction NATO might
00:15:27do, so simply by being there, we get used to it being there,
00:15:30simply by operating aircraft the key coming to our airspace, it tests
00:15:34us, makes us a bit more complacent, but I think the problem bigger than that,
00:15:38because again, you go back to the cold war, we were ready for war at
00:15:42that day, the last 35 years, wars of choice, in our
00:15:46navy, we've commissioned two the biggest aircraft carriers we've ever seen in our
00:15:49time, phenomenally capable, but good for power projection, wars
00:15:53of choice, not for wars of national survival, and the problem is
00:15:57is that we had to be ready 24 and seven, if you're going to be ready
00:16:0124 and seven, that's why we have four nuclear submarines bause we
00:16:04need one available all times, you've only got two... carriers, you
00:16:08probably got long periods of time when one them is never going to be available, that's just not
00:16:12acceptable. if you're going to have a carrier capability, you got to be all in and
00:16:16do it 24 and se or have a shift system where other countries in
00:16:20NATO take over. so i think we're recovering from 35 years
00:16:24of understandable peace dividend. now is a wake-up call to
00:16:28work out that actually other nations, particularly Russia, particularly
00:16:31submarines have huge advantage over Europe. we need to get
00:16:35back into the really... world of anti-submarine warfare, whether it's
00:16:39air, land or maritime to make sure that we're um detering
00:16:43that Russian aggression. Sean, just for we have here, I know you're an Air Vice Marshall,
00:16:47but give me your assessment the UK Royal Navy, because lot of people feel
00:16:51that it has kind of year on year not been resourced to what it
00:16:55was. Yeah, I mean, I spent lot of time, I spent more time at float than many
00:16:59of my naval contemporaries. I would probably bow to my guest here, but I
00:17:03spent many, many months on board aircraft carriers. One the things that navy
00:17:07is... absolutely outstanding professional, we got some amazing people there,
00:17:10but because of this focus on the carriers, we've had to
00:17:14take risk a whole number of other areas, and now because the operational
00:17:18tempo, political pressure, we've got the people, there's a thousand fewer people in
00:17:22their all nav, it needs to be, those that are in there are working incredibly hard, moral
00:17:26is therefore difficult to maintain, and I think the first sealord finds himself an
00:17:30invidious position that from a maritime very proud nation
00:17:34that's been defined by its maritime prowess, we find out... was a bit of
00:17:38a low-eb at the moment, i think the future is going to be very positive, but
00:17:42my goodness we've got a bit of a mountain to climb. thanks, Sean. Jean
00:17:45Franc, talk to me about the the threat level then as you
00:17:49see it, is it all Russia or are
00:17:52there other actors at play that Europe needs to be worried
00:18:13but to - to to to the question, um, I
00:18:16think at the moment, yes, we could
00:18:20probably look for, and and uh, Sean, I believe uh, discuss uh,
00:18:24that China will will be will be issue, but I think at the moment
00:18:28that the threat is mostly uh, Russian when it comes to,
00:18:32when it comes to Europe, we had report that NATO intercepted Russian operation
00:18:36near Swallbard." around the undersea cables that were
00:18:39here uh we've seen what the shadow fleet has been doing
00:18:43in in in recent years or we have commercial vessel
00:18:46raking uh that we can sometimes attribute to Russia
00:18:50sometime not we've been raking their anchors at the bottom
00:18:54the the Baltic Sea for example to cut cables there um
00:18:57so it it
00:18:58it is where it's located the threat is also now what we you know
00:19:02taking NATO parliance a bit more multi domain right like it's not strictly the
00:19:06Russian threat. will take a maritime aspect, but that
00:19:10maritime aspect is going to be supported by hybrid
00:19:13effort, it's going to be supported by uh cyber
00:19:17space and effort and so on, um, and I
00:19:20think on that front, this is what NATO was moving to with its new
00:19:24war fighting concept of multi-domain operation, but um, to
00:19:28to to return very briefly to your question, uh, no, for Europe, and and I mean the
00:19:32Danish assessment I think remain um, remain
00:19:36sound, although when "it came out that Russia might
00:19:40initiate conflict either with Baltic border states or the
00:19:43broader of NATO within two and five years, I think it's important to
00:19:47remember that this assessment came out year ago, so we're no longer
00:19:51two to five, we're one to four, um, so in very
00:19:55short, yes, Russia, for the moment, for the Europeans
00:19:58is the is the threat. Thank you, Mark,
00:20:02we've seen Russian vessels loitering off the coast of Ireland
00:20:06repeatedly." what were they up to and how did the Irish government
00:20:10respond? yeah, well, I think the Irish government has
00:20:14in recent years strengthened its bilateral with the UK, it's
00:20:18bilateral with its nearest EU neighbor France, and it is actually
00:20:22greater, it's given greater support to, I suppose the
00:20:25multilateral framework. Ireland is
00:20:29militarily aligned, but that does not mean that it doesn't engage in
00:20:32information sharing, and we are currently have the present
00:20:36presidency of... the eu council, so there is lot of
00:20:40bilateral, multilateral support in ensuring the architecture is
00:20:43right. that's said, we are concerned with regards the
00:20:47activities the Russian federation, the Sean has mentioned. the Yantar.
00:20:50Yantar is a formidable vessel, while it may look like a civilian vessel,
00:20:54actually, it's manned by Russian naval personnel. It's on the state
00:20:58register, so technically speaking under the law the sea convention, it's a
00:21:02warship, and you have to be careful in terms of how you operate
00:21:06around the vessel that has that status. Russian vessels in
00:21:10terms their shadow fleet have been increas in the
00:21:13jurisdiction around the Irish coast, they have been evading sanctions
00:21:17and there is a real question over the C worriness these
00:21:20vessels, the standards and certification the watchkeepers on these
00:21:24vessels, and there is a question then back to the
00:21:27integrity the international institutions, the law the sea
00:21:30convention, to deal with vessels that are actually actively
00:21:34avoiding sanctions and at the same time playing
00:21:38fast and loose with international law. Thank you, Mark. Sean, talk to me
00:21:42about this northern navy's initiative, so the UK
00:21:45training and and aligning itself closer with some the Nordic and
00:21:49Scandinavian. countries, Norway in particular, seems to be lot
00:21:53about integrating systems and and sharing platforms, so that
00:21:57if they were needed to fight together, they would all be singing off the same
00:22:01song sheet, yeah, part of that is the Iceland Greenland
00:22:05gap, um, largely ignored, I think, for
00:22:08many, many years, probably decades, but it's a key geographic
00:22:12as natural feature where if Russian submarines want to make their way out
00:22:16from the Russian coastline into the Atlantic, then you... to make your
00:22:20way through that and there's a strategy based on and look at my nose
00:22:24jan Bayden in it's right the middle and there's been a number of exercises being done
00:22:28recently where the raw navy and some of its partner
00:22:31nations are reinforcing that island it's strategically important for the gap
00:22:35they're
00:22:36also making sure they can operate together and of course it's worth remembering that anything
00:22:39when you as soon as you get into the arctic the weather becomes a bit more tricky and i
00:22:43wouldn't underestimate it's easy to say well it's just a ship but actually you've got
00:22:47to operate on the decks these ships you've got to opera aircraft, you got to helicopters
00:22:51and the like, and when it gets very cold, when the the sea gets very rough as well
00:22:55up there, which you can be in the winter, you need to train in that environment, and
00:22:59as um Jean said, I, I, I spent lot of time at sea, but I used to get
00:23:03seasick, it takes about three or four days before you get your sea legs and it was
00:23:06thoroughly miserable for that time, but once you've got your sea legs and you're
00:23:10used to the operation, that's the huge value of training, and that's the one thing the
00:23:14Royal Navy is pushing hard to do with lots of its northern European allies
00:23:18at the moment, everyone thinks of Arctic is a big vast icy
00:23:22expanse, I'm guessing there is lot of submarine activity up there.
00:23:26Well, it's the way out for lot the Russian submarines from their ports to get down to the
00:23:29Atlantic. I mean now with global warming, there's a lot of northern roots now that are opening up, I
00:23:33saw in the news on only earlier today, there's a Chinese vessel that's made its way
00:23:37up, and it saves a lot of time rather than going the southern route down through the
00:23:41sewis canal. If you can go across the top, it saves a huge amount of time and therefore
00:23:45a huge amount of money, that will become a strategically important route, and therefore
00:23:49we need to protect. and make sure it doesn't get closed down. Thank you. Jean
00:23:52Francis, we've heard lot of talk about this Russian shadow
00:23:55fleet zipping through European Waters, the
00:23:59channel between England and France in particular, how concerning is that
00:24:03then from a European perspective that they seem to be able to do what they
00:24:06want. Well, what what is concerning is
00:24:10that there seems to be lack of interest
00:24:12in full on engagement with the shadow fleet. I
00:24:16mean, we've been talking about, we've been talking about this rother. how many years
00:24:20we know what they've been able to uh that that that they've been able
00:24:24to help Russia uh go around sanctions and so on around the war, so what
00:24:28worries me is, I mean their movement and pattern
00:24:32are now well tracked and well situated, what
00:24:36is a little bit concerning to me is that despite knowing this
00:24:39there's not an over over effort to
00:24:43actually um counted and now I understand why because we don't want to
00:24:47engage a like the Russians have threatened. that an engagement there would
00:24:51also mean like an engagement with them, they they've linked it few times to
00:24:55the war in Ukraine
00:24:56and so on. Mark, to you, I see you have new book out, blue
00:24:59heart, war, climate and the battle for the ocean that keeps us
00:25:03alive, how concerned are you about the kind the actual physical
00:25:06state of our seas? well, I am
00:25:10concerned, and we we tend to talk at the about the ocean as a battle space, but
00:25:14the ocean itself is part the critical infrastructure that
00:25:17is keeping us alive and that we should be trying to
00:25:20protect, the very reason we're having this conversation is that
00:25:24fact that the ocean absorb 90% the excess heat and
00:25:2830% the excess carbon we emit. the ocean is obviously
00:25:32critical in terms of our security architecture, in terms of our
00:25:36energy interconnectors, 80% of our
00:25:39lng on this island comes via interconnectors at sea, and
00:25:43increasingly we can see the overwhelming dependency we have
00:25:47in terms of our tech economies. on fiber optic
00:25:51cables, which are at the heart of Russian
00:25:54Federation, particular hybrid activities, monitoring these cables and
00:25:58in places interfering these cables, so I am concerned that...
00:26:02"we need to take a more holistic view in terms the oceans, I'm delighted to
00:26:06see that Europe is moving with an oceans act, and I think that that should be a
00:26:10chapo for other states in the European region who to have
00:26:14similar legislation, so we can have that integrated
00:26:17approach to protecting this critical infrastructure that actually is
00:26:21keeping regulating our climate, and as we move forward
00:26:25in initiatives such as 30% of our seas protected by
00:26:292030, that we actually begin to see the importance. of
00:26:33biodiversity in our ocean spaces, which receives currently very little
00:26:37protection, biodiversity in the ocean is as valuable as
00:26:40rainforest on land, and yet we're we're not at the
00:26:44moment providing that that protection towards this vast
00:26:47amount of jurisdiction where there is critical amount of
00:26:50biodiversity currently being damaged daily. thank you,
00:26:54mark, just pick up point that mark made there, which i think we we've
00:26:58missed slightly is, it's all having a kit and equipment and ships and tanks
00:27:02and marines, but actually unless you have political resolve, it
00:27:05becomes worthless, it's not a deterrent without having determination and
00:27:09resolve, and I think what we're seeing exactly as the panelists have said, is that
00:27:13Russia is just pushing the edges all the time, we're seeing them do it, but we're
00:27:17reluctant to do anything about it, and the danger is that emboldens President
00:27:21Putin, and I always refer back to the example when two Russian jets flew out
00:27:25of Syria towards Turkey, Turkey said turn back, one them turned back, the
00:27:29other Russian jet continued, two F-16s from Turkey shot it down,
00:27:33President Putin was apoplectic, never again did Russian
00:27:36aircraft go into Turkish airspace, you have to be robust, and I think
00:27:40NATO has to find a way, it's not going to precipitate a war, but
00:27:44unless we're more robust in the maritime domain, we are keep going to get
00:27:47pressurized. I think it's a fantastic point, and just to push this just a little bit
00:27:51further, we're a situation now in Europe where we might see
00:27:55government um that
00:27:57may decide then to to go a bit closer to um to Russia, we're
00:28:01seeing the uh that everybody talks about the recent uh
00:28:04AFD election in Germany, but um, if this propagates through
00:28:08the country then we're going to end up a state where we might have very
00:28:12important state in Europe who might decide to cut
00:28:16back actions to counter uh Russia, the same looking at the
00:28:20French elections for example, and I agree, political will
00:28:24is the be is the number one variable that you need in order
00:28:28to be able to to do these things, and I'm um I'm a bit concerned that
00:28:32in the... next two to three, three, let's say two to five years,
00:28:36um, the political will is going to erode more than
00:28:38what it is now, as we, we might be witnessing shift to governments
00:28:42that are more sympathetic to um to the
00:28:45Russians. Thank you. Sean, just one last point to you, with all these
00:28:49Russian vessels floating around, do you worry that it will be incident at
00:28:53sea that leads to something far, far bigger? No, is the
00:28:57short answer. I mean, having operate off her majesty's, then her majesty's
00:29:01carriers, we have. lots of incidence to see, we lost aeroplanes, all sorts, you just push
00:29:05them off the edge the ship and nobody's there to witness it, um, you just count them out
00:29:09when you leave and you count them back in when you come back, there's no journalists on the ground,
00:29:13there's very little filming going on, so you can actually there's denial and all sorts
00:29:17of things going on around it. do worry that we're not taking the
00:29:21sub-surface threat properly, because it's not just uh Russia's
00:29:24huge fleets or attack submarines and nuclear submarines, it's also I think they've got
00:29:2810 experimental submarines that go to absen depths that do...
00:29:32sorts of clever things on the seabed, why are they doing that? they're all
00:29:36doing that because there's a macgy of alien agenda going on here and we are
00:29:40going to get surprised if we're not prepared. sean belle, thank you,
00:29:43Jean-François and mark in Ireland as well, thank you all. remember
00:29:47you can see more discussion and debate on our YouTube channel, search for roundtable
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00:30:49the hooty capture of Yemen's Red Sea coastline may have opened
00:30:53a dangerous new phase in the U.S. Iran war. Could
00:30:57this reshape the balance of power in the Gulf and strengthen Iran's
00:31:01hand in the region? I'm Hazim Sea and today's newsmaker
00:31:05is Yemen and the Houti
00:31:06Advance.
00:31:24Yemen's long-running civil war is threatening to open another front
00:31:28in the wider Middle East conflict. Iran backed Houti
00:31:31forces have seized a key coastal town on the Red Sea.
00:31:35The Babel Mandab straight is one the world's most important shipping
00:31:39roots with Saudi Arabia also coming under attack and
00:31:42Iran now directly and indirectly. in control of two
00:31:46vital choke points in the region, the consequences could extend far
00:31:50beyond Yemen. Fighting in Yemen once
00:31:54again risks becoming a larger front in a widening war in the
00:31:58Middle East. Yemen's Iran aligned and
00:32:01Saralahutis have seized control of Yemen's entire red
00:32:05sea coast a sweeping offensive. It marks
00:32:09new phase a long, simmering civil war between
00:32:12Hughters and nationally recognized Yemeni
00:32:16government. Houti forces also announced
00:32:20attacks on their sworn enemy, Saudi
00:32:22Arabia. By the grace
00:32:26of Allah, the Yemeni armed forces carried out a large qualitative
00:32:30military operation targeting military facilities and
00:32:33infrastructure. Including aircraft
00:32:37hangers, radar installations, runways, ammunition depots and
00:32:41other targets at kingghaded airbase in James Mushaid.
00:32:45Attacks on Saudi infrastructure and oil facilities have become
00:32:49increasing strategic concern since the US led
00:32:53war on Iran. Overland oil pipelines through Saudi
00:32:57Arabia to the Red Sea have been used to mitigate
00:33:01the effects the effective closure the straight of
00:33:04homoz, and by capturing the port of Mocca and
00:33:08Parim Island, Iran-backed Hutis now gain a
00:33:12foothold very close to the Babelman. straight where
00:33:16attacks on ships in the red sea could
00:33:19affect international shipping, however, the
00:33:23Iranian government denies any involvement in the war
00:33:27in Yemen. I reaffirm that Iran
00:33:31does not interfere in Yemeni affairs, however we are a
00:33:34country concerned about the situation in the region and we know that some
00:33:38actors are exploiting this situation to exacerbate disputes and
00:33:42divisions among Islamic countries.
00:33:45That is why we are clearly stating our position, this stance
00:33:48should in no
00:33:49way be perceived as interference in this matter.
00:33:53Hothies say their military operations are targeted primarily
00:33:57at Saudi-linked ships and that international shipping
00:34:00remains safe, but their advance in the region
00:34:04against the struggling, recognized Yemeni government
00:34:08has had devastating consequences already. At
00:34:12least 1800 households or 125, people have been
00:34:15displaced since the start the month. the toll on civilians is
00:34:19increasing. between September 1st and today, our colleagues at the UN human
00:34:22rights office have verified 40 civilian casualties, eight
00:34:26people killed
00:34:27and 32 others injured. tens of thousands of Yemenes
00:34:31civilians have fled the region in recent months and the
00:34:34latest offensive has only accelerated the humanitarian
00:34:38crisis. many have fled directly across the straight
00:34:42to televised
00:34:43Jibuti interview. an official from the recognized
00:34:47yemini government pledged to reclaim yeman's
00:34:50territory on the red sea coast. even these forces
00:34:54that
00:34:55with threw or moved from one place to another are now regrouping god
00:34:58almighty willing and they will return one second to the battle in one
00:35:02way or another. the continued fighting could destroy
00:35:06a fragile and strained
00:35:092022
00:35:13as try to consolidate the... on the red sea coast, they
00:35:17gain valuable leverage over one the world's most important
00:35:20trade roots. a time when the straight of homols is already
00:35:24understain, disruption to shipping channels
00:35:27here, result
00:35:28as of regional civil war conflict, could
00:35:32still have global
00:35:34repercussions. we're joining me
00:35:38now to talk more about this from, we
00:35:40have pry
00:35:43yemeny journalist and Seattle, Middle East Analyst at
00:35:47the University of Oxford, Aragdat and from
00:35:50Washington DC, research fellow in the Middle East program
00:35:54at the Quincey Institute and former US state department official
00:35:58Anel Sheline. Good to have you all with us. So Hussein, let me start with
00:36:02you, how significant then is this uh recent Houti
00:36:06advance for the fight against Saudi Arabia and for control
00:36:10of
00:36:10Yemen.
00:36:18It has been clearly here from the leader ofuti that the
00:36:21main goal of yemen is the total liberation of Yaman and he said
00:36:25many time in his previous peace. speech that
00:36:29yemen will not or sana will not allow any foreign
00:36:33present or outside forces present in Yemen and as well he will not
00:36:37allow any groups in any arean
00:36:40to be under occupation or under the control of any groups or
00:36:43militia that's under the control
00:36:47of non yemani government like like the saudi
00:36:51under back forces in in Yemen and we've seen that this latest
00:36:55advance of course many uh outlet they have been saying that
00:36:58this advance and liberation the west coast of
00:37:02Yemen, especially mokha and bab al mandab and the
00:37:06control the island in that area on the red
00:37:10sea that it will give advantage for Sanha Forces or the Yemani
00:37:14army to control the rid sea, but actually this is
00:37:17not true because yemani armed forces here they weren't control
00:37:21the red sea babel mandab, the gulf of Aiden and the Arabian sea since
00:37:252023 when they have... launched attack against the zin state of
00:37:29Israel to force it to stop the genicide in Gaza
00:37:33against the Palestinian people and they were targeting Israeli anzion ships in
00:37:37the in the entire red sea and as well the gulf of Aiden and
00:37:41the Arabian sea so to control the r you do need to
00:37:44be at the coast or at at babal mandab but why was
00:37:48that the first like attack the liberation of Yemen
00:37:52was in that area because that area was it
00:37:56held one the large... just united arab or
00:37:59saudi united arab emirate coalition backed forces, it
00:38:03was in in moka, it was the strongest troops
00:38:07that because of course after the disagreement of United Arab
00:38:10Emirate and Saudi, that area is under the control the Saudi, but with
00:38:14the same commander Tarek Saleh, so that was the
00:38:17largest and the most advanced weapons is in that
00:38:21base and you can reach that area by air, by land, by sea,
00:38:25that's why Saudi have been sending and lot of
00:38:29weapons and armored vehicles and the United Arab Emirates has been doing that
00:38:33for many years uh so that to to liberate your
00:38:36country you have to hurt the enemy in the like the
00:38:40strong in their main
00:38:43strength in in land and this was actually the main goal
00:38:47of advancing in in that area toward moka and
00:38:51babdad what's your view on these latest
00:38:55developments in Yemen on on the military side
00:38:58is it and is this a temporary battlefield breakthrough or or a
00:39:02fundamental shift now in the balance of power in the region? the
00:39:06saudis are trying to pass this off as a brief moment,
00:39:10however this feels very fundamental. what we're seeing right
00:39:14now is there's only two areas that are still contested in the north,
00:39:17madab and tas, and those are currently under tribal mediation. the huties
00:39:21are very good at using tribes to maintain their legitimacy
00:39:25and in parallel to their military act. of
00:39:28course, because
00:39:29of that, that really just leaves the south, and now babil mandab is
00:39:33fully under an unsar control, so this is a
00:39:37big victory for Asanza law, and reminder
00:39:41that this cold truth that they've been stuck in since 2022 is
00:39:45not how they're going
00:39:45to allow things continue in Yemen, and for Saudi Arabia, this is pretty
00:39:49big as well, buse they have their vision 2030, and they were planning
00:39:53a victory, they were told by their forces in Yemen, that if
00:39:57they just get another shot,
00:39:59that they can really take this home, that they can end this war, they assumed unsar law has
00:40:03been exhausted, and the economic tool has prevented them
00:40:07from having any outstanding military
00:40:10capacity, and as we've all seen, that's clearly not the
00:40:13case. and now she line, how does
00:40:17this in your view affect the balance of power in the
00:40:20region?
00:40:23certainly this signals the unprecedent.
00:40:31I think the concern at this point is that the United States might get
00:40:35involved, although we know that NBS had
00:40:38requested that Donald Trump and direct support, and thus
00:40:42far he has not said that he's willing to
00:40:46do so. I worry that as this impacts global oil
00:40:50prices, especially leading up to the U.S. midterms, Trump may
00:40:54find that he is increasingly a...
00:40:57position where
00:40:58he feels he has to get involved, which will not lead to solution. we've
00:41:02already seen very clearly that there is no military solution in
00:41:05Yemen, the only way forward is mediated peace
00:41:09process involving Yemenis themselves and that
00:41:13foreign powers, including the Saudis and others need
00:41:17to get out of Yemen and allow Yemenis to determine their own
00:41:20destiny. how much is this
00:41:24about the His and what they are trying to do? in
00:41:27Yemen and how much is this about Iran's wider strategy,
00:41:31because there are those who will say who will see Iran's hand in
00:41:35this.
00:41:42I mean this is not true, if we see when Yemany have started
00:41:45their bloccade, see bloccade against Saudi Arabia, and
00:41:49when they when did they start as well advancing and liberating part of
00:41:53Yemen, they started started
00:41:56that after the Saudi has broke the seas fire and targeted San
00:41:59airport, so there is reason who
00:42:02has have actually made that truce that was signed in
00:42:052022 made it collapse, and this nor
00:42:10any war if you have a truice and then they target your capital and they target the
00:42:14airport, this is actually a declaration of war if if there is no trous
00:42:18and as well if if if yemen as they say or they call the onesarla were like a
00:42:22tool and they get order from Iran they could have targeted
00:42:25Saudi Arabia during the 12 days of war against Iran
00:42:29from the zionist or they could as well target Saudi Arabia and do the same
00:42:33action they doing now during the 40 days of war where where the designed
00:42:37state of Israel and the United State has targeted Iran i mean
00:42:41really strong and they have killed the supreme leader ayatullah imam
00:42:45ali khaminai just imagine they killed the leader
00:42:49of of
00:42:49of of that country and and and and yemen at that time did not get involved
00:42:53did not fight in the rid so the only thing that matter to
00:42:57yemen is yemen and what about
00:43:01yemen but of course as axis of resistant they
00:43:05have an like i said an operation room but they
00:43:08only uh get decision together when it regard Israel and the zient
00:43:12state of Israel we remember during the attack from Yemen and as well the attack from
00:43:16Hisbollah and the resistant in Iraq the Yemen and Iraq and the resistance
00:43:20and as well Iran during their attack against them they were
00:43:24coordinating the attack against against Israel
00:43:28so but when it comes to matter of Yemen Yemen is fully
00:43:32independent in taking their their decision and we've see
00:43:35that I can just explain very quick
00:43:39why this huge advance that happened in in
00:43:43in the west coast is because Saudi and during their Saudi
00:43:47backed forces advance in in in many area across
00:43:50Yemen, one the main reason behind that that 90% the
00:43:54strength the Saudi backed forces in Yemen is the
00:43:58Saudi air cover and air
00:44:01strike cover against sana forces so any
00:44:05area they have controlled it has been like carpet
00:44:09bombed and then the... Saudi backed forces on land will will will will
00:44:12like you advance, but at this time actually is
00:44:16different, why is not because the saudi are not launching air strike, they are
00:44:20launching air strike, but yemen has limited the strength of that saudi
00:44:24air strike by continuing targeting saudi main bases like in
00:44:28khamis musheid south of Saudi Arabia, king Khalid air base one the largest
00:44:31in south of Saudi Arabia and as well king
00:44:35Fahad airbase a taif yeman has been bombing those two
00:44:39bases. with with dozens of missiles and
00:44:42drones which actually affected the ability of
00:44:45Saudi to have total cover and as before when they used to launch
00:44:49hundred of air strike a day or 100 air strike on on one area
00:44:53and as well yemani have as well now advance air air defense and
00:44:57they they have been uh like stopping some the air strike to happened and
00:45:01forcing the saudi fighterget to come back to to to return and we
00:45:05remember during the prosperity guardian united state has admitted that
00:45:09yemani were about to shoot down an f
00:45:1135 uh and as well another f a group of
00:45:15f16 and f22 so this is actually what have
00:45:18limited the saudis ability to support
00:45:22their fighters fighters on the ground you bring
00:45:26up number of things i want to put some of that to to uh
00:45:29mukdad uh because lot of people were surprised at the
00:45:33speed of this advance uh from the hoothies why why
00:45:37has the saudi back government in your view proved so
00:45:40ineffective. there's
00:45:44a lot of issues with the saudi-back government, mainly that their fractured,
00:45:48there is no ideology beyond being anti-hoothi. so
00:45:52what we're seeing with things such as the presidential leadership council,
00:45:56which is handselected by Saudi Arabia and the UAE, is that
00:46:00they hate each other as much as
00:46:01they hate the hoothies. this is a really divided
00:46:04team. um, there's a lot of corruption, it's pretty high as
00:46:08well. lot the top command is based in Saudi Arabia,
00:46:12not even Yemen, uh, which not only furthers them from the
00:46:15battlefield, but keeps them out the loop inherently, and this
00:46:19damages their legitimacy with populations on the ground, whereas you have
00:46:23unsar law, which is battle hardened, even prior to this war, they fought
00:46:27six wars with the saleh regime, um, and has very
00:46:30clear ideology and structure that they're willing to
00:46:34operate, um, we've seen time and time again, they are forced to be
00:46:38reckoned with militarily. and it's fairly naive at this
00:46:42point to continue to engage with them militarily each time they only get
00:46:46stronger. anal
00:46:48chine, how mean does does the?
00:46:52us then have
00:46:53the the capacity at this point or even the appetite to intervene
00:46:57if they need to, or would that simply play into the hoouti
00:47:00strategy? we saw very clearly during
00:47:04operation r that the
00:47:07effort to apply a military
00:47:10ineffective, which is why i think uninterested in
00:47:14returning to that. at the same
00:47:17time, trump as a leader
00:47:21strategic. is not haviic skills,
00:47:25doesn't have effective team around him to
00:47:28address conflicts any way other than continuing
00:47:32to bomb the target, however the US is very real
00:47:36limits its capacity, having trump got
00:47:40involved in this unnecessary choice against
00:47:44Iran, and now the US military is stretched quite
00:47:48thin, not only the middle lease but around the world, so it is
00:47:52under is hesitating to re-engage,
00:47:55but like I said, I worry that in
00:47:59the context of terms with rising oil
00:48:03prices, Trump may feel that his only
00:48:06option is to go back in, and the results of that would really be to
00:48:10further destroy Yemen, to further undermine theity of
00:48:14Yemen's peaceful future, and
00:48:17as likely result in the same
00:48:21outcome, the
00:48:23hoothies will be undeterred, this is not also their
00:48:27policy, um,
00:48:31i expect that the only outcome would be more unnecessary
00:48:34death and suffering, and at the end we would arrive at the same
00:48:38outcome. all right, i want to turn to to the whole issue of
00:48:42control the Babel mandad straight and the
00:48:45implications that's going to have for international
00:48:47shipping. in their previous attacks,
00:48:51thehutis. said that they were only targeting vessels linked
00:48:55to Israel, and I know you you made some mention of that, but in
00:48:59fact they did hit uh ships with no such
00:49:02connection, including at one point a Norwegian flag
00:49:05tanker, so when the hooties now say they're only going to
00:49:09block shipping to the Saudis, why should anyone believe
00:49:12them?
00:49:21in the prosperity guard? and the blue cade against state
00:49:24of Israel, there was three stage of targeting Israeli ship, it
00:49:28was first of first stage was targeting Israeli own ships,
00:49:32second stage was targeting Israeli linked ships, so it means if there is a
00:49:36shipping company or a ship that have businessman from Israel, if you
00:49:40have like 5% the chip or the company, this is linked
00:49:43to Israel and the third stage was to
00:49:46target a ship that's going toward the
00:49:49Israeli port or coming out of israel port so it doesn't need
00:49:53to be Israeli, it could be like, i don't from any
00:49:56country, those are the three stage, because yemen formed those three
00:50:00stage step by step and they were like kind of
00:50:03expanding their attack, and if you say about that norwegian
00:50:07ship, mean i can remember that, it could be one these that
00:50:11are either linked or either went to to
00:50:15came in from israeleli port or going to Israeli port and the fourth
00:50:18stage was it was a wider and bigger that if there is any company let's say a
00:50:22company that have 50, a fleet of 50 ship, if one of that
00:50:26ship of that company, one ship has gone to Israel, even through the
00:50:30mediterarancy, this mean all the 49 ships
00:50:33are not allowed from the rid sea, so
00:50:37it's four stage and yemen was doing so to to
00:50:41stop, it's like the they were trying to do something good to have a
00:50:45form a blockade against Israel, it should be the united nation who
00:50:49should have taken a step and the UN security council so... germany was
00:50:53doing, they were trying implement the international law by forcing Israel to
00:50:56stop the junite and this actually to protect
00:51:00the people who are under attack and under ethnic cleansing, but on
00:51:04the other hand we see united states and other country, they were
00:51:08supporting the scient state under genicide and the media, western
00:51:11media, they were asking us why we doing so, they are not asking the people who are
00:51:15attacking the ziant state of Israel,
00:51:19mean supporting are regarding to Saudi Arabia,
00:51:26just to clarify so then any commercial ship that is going through
00:51:30the babil mandab straight that has no connection to either Israel or
00:51:34Saudi Arabia they will be free to go through is that is that what you
00:51:37believe? at at this at this point what they
00:51:40said any ship can go through b except
00:51:44Saudi because we have formed a blocade against Saudi Even before
00:51:47controlling the Babel mandab but regarding Israel I can assure you that
00:51:51there is no ship. At this point going through the red sea, even
00:51:55though Yemen has after the agreement between the
00:51:59resistant Hamas and Israel and the seas fire, of course Yeman has
00:52:03declared that as soon as. they will stop and they have
00:52:07stopped so uh so any
00:52:10i believe if there is any other as long as not the saudi ship because the
00:52:13battle now is for yemen okay let's let's put some of that to
00:52:17awa then how close are we
00:52:18then ar to a situation where major shipping
00:52:22companies simply decide that the baby mendeb straight is is too
00:52:26dangerous to use uh as many have already done with
00:52:30the straight of homoz think time will
00:52:33tell with this Initially
00:52:35of course everyone's going to be a bit spooked and try to avoid Babel
00:52:39mandab, however with the straight of hormo's close, they don't really have
00:52:43many options at this point, and if the hoothies keep on their
00:52:47promise of only attacking ships linked to Saudi Arabia,
00:52:51then I think other shipping companies will be willing to take that risk, um, it's an
00:52:55expensive detour, um, gas prices, oil prices are
00:52:58already sky high, you're going to have to take that risk, and so
00:53:02far the hoofies seem to be following through with... they've been
00:53:05saying, so
00:53:08annel sheeline, is there uh, in your view realistic
00:53:12route to prevent Yemen permanently becoming
00:53:16this proxy battlefield in the
00:53:18region? I think the
00:53:22most straightforward way of addressing this would be for the
00:53:26Saudis to try meeting the Huthi's demands,
00:53:30they tried for seven years to fight the Hufis
00:53:32unsuccessfully, so at this... point perhaps what they should try
00:53:36to do is lift the blockade, lift the restrictions on the hoofi
00:53:40controlled territory, grant Yemen its sovereignty
00:53:43and proceed from there. um, as
00:53:47we've said, the the military options have not been
00:53:50working, um, from the Saudis perspective, they just need to get their
00:53:54oil to market, because their very large um tankers can't go
00:53:58through Suez, and we know at this point the east-west pip pipeline
00:54:02is shut down anyway, as result of attacks. we believe
00:54:05by um militias in Iraq, and so right now there
00:54:09isn't even oil coming across to the Red Sea, but in the event
00:54:13that that again is is resumed, some of it won't be
00:54:17able to go through the Suas Canal anyway, so the Saudis really do need
00:54:20to find a solution here, and at the moment the Saudis
00:54:24continue to be under the impression that there's a military
00:54:28solution, but again and again it has been
00:54:31clear that that is really unlikely to be effective, and from this...
00:54:35position, they are already suffering economically, MBS
00:54:39is in the process of trying implement his very ambitious vision
00:54:422030, and I think from the the the most
00:54:45effective means forward would be for Saudi Arabia to
00:54:49to make um to come to an agreement with the Hufis, to
00:54:53recognize their sovereignty, a way this would also
00:54:57allow the Hufis to then develop relationship with Saudi
00:55:01Arabia, the Saudis have expressed concerns that this would increase...
00:55:05the influence of Iran and Yemen, but from
00:55:08the the perspective of unsud law, they would prefer to be
00:55:12recognized as the legitimate government in Sana by other countries, not
00:55:16only Iran, and to be able to proceed
00:55:19with relationship with Saudi Arabia for example, so I fear that that
00:55:23is unlikely to be the route that Saudi Arabia takes, but I
00:55:27do think that that would be the most effective way
00:55:31of of addressing this this crisis for.
00:55:35world in terms of oil prices and and starting to move
00:55:38towards a negotiated solution for Yemen. All right, we're going to
00:55:42have to leave it there. Good discussion. Thanks very much to all three of you for taking
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01:00:26Hustan, coming up with the next 60 minutes, tens of thousands
01:00:29displaced, hundreds killed and attacks continuing on both sides
01:00:33the border, that's the situation between Yemen and Saudi Arabia right
01:00:37now, the Hutis claim Saudis have carried out more than
01:00:40350 strikes in the past few days, the Saudis
01:00:43say the Hutis have hit cities in their country. the
01:00:47cost of epic fury, the US war on Iran. The department of
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01:00:59cost to US