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00:03:02of of Coming up. This week's review of roundtable, Israel's diplomatic isolation grows, the EU considers
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00:03:51of Hello and welcome to this
00:03:55week's review of round table, I'm Enter Brady, now the European Union is
00:03:58considering trade sanctions on Israeli illegal
00:04:02settlements with its top diplomat Kaya Calas saying it will be a
00:04:06principal stance. The Israeli government is pushing
00:04:10of ahead with its E1 settlement which would effectively split the
00:04:13occupied West bank in two. 12 countries, including the
00:04:17UK, France, and Canada, have agreed new sanctions on
00:04:20trade with illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied West bank.
00:04:24So is the tide finally turning on
00:04:27Israel? Many
00:04:29of these countries have been. stanchest allies of Israel in Europe,
00:04:33what does this tell us about how far Israel's standing has
00:04:36fallen? well, it makes me think of Lord
00:04:39Palmerston's uh statement that a country has
00:04:42no friends, it only has interests, and I think here is
00:04:46case where the United Kingdom and Canada
00:04:50and number of other states have found that the
00:04:54situation in terms
00:04:56of of the legitimacy and the violence that they're witnessing in
00:05:00uh Israel is being responded to by their own public
00:05:04in such a way that they have had to step up and change the
00:05:08narrative and so this is in many ways a sea change
00:05:12but "we never see international relations moving quickly, so
00:05:16I think it's taken a long while to get here, we've anticipated
00:05:19something like this, and now it's here. Yossi, come in on this,
00:05:23how will this be received in Israel, how has it been received? I think
00:05:27especially we are time
00:05:29at at election, you see the reaction today, on the one
00:05:33hand, people reject any intervention, because
00:05:36it looks like intervention in the election, so there is rejection, we saw the
00:05:40overreaction by the Israeli govern'. definitely the foreign
00:05:44minister and we see the steps, the measure they they took school
00:05:47closing
00:05:48the the British consulate in
00:05:50in in his Jerusalem, kicking out basically the BST people from from
00:05:54Ramala, the British officers there and and and and the rest. on
00:05:58the other hand there is also understanding that this was as Roxan saying this
00:06:02was on coming, because if you think
00:06:05in 2019 the EU
00:06:08already ask you all to
00:06:11label. that is from from from from the from the west
00:06:14bank, so you could see if nothing happen in seven years to stop
00:06:18settlements, what you see is actually the increase the
00:06:22building of settlements, the increase of settler violence, the
00:06:25terrorism there, and the building of e1, that really irked
00:06:29anyone, because what it means to two-state solution, they feel
00:06:33obliged to react in one way or another, and that's what we
00:06:37see, now so there will be between how the voters are
00:06:41going to see... that are they actually going to
00:06:45internalize that the last four years, three
00:06:47years under under the Netanyahu government
00:06:51results in completely breakdown in relations with with friends
00:06:55or allies or will develop sige mentality, the world is against
00:06:59us, we are not going to do anything about it. thank you Yossi.
00:07:02Pablo, to you, your home country of course is Spain, talk to me
00:07:06about Spanish public thinking on this one? well, I think like in many other
00:07:10countries, certainly the countries that I've just announced. measures this are general white
00:07:14spread feeling uh against what the Israeli
00:07:18government has been doing in the middle east and there's certainly lot of uh negative
00:07:21feelings towards a Natanyahu government. This has been and we've talked about this in the show
00:07:25before, this is always been an easy win to some extent for the Spanish government,
00:07:29Pedro Sanchez who's obviously from the center left from the socialist coalition.
00:07:33So this is always a very big political win for for him and it's a very
00:07:37good positioning himself as sort the leader across Europe,
00:07:40across the west in this. sort of movement that is his sort of
00:07:44effort against what many are saying as as bad
00:07:48actions from the Israeli government, so I think these news comes as as very good
00:07:52news to
00:07:52this to Spain and particular to the Pedro Sanchez government, as we know
00:07:55has been a little bit of hot water, a little bit of trouble in recent weeks and
00:07:59recent months, so this comes as very welcome news and again it helps Spain position
00:08:02itself as sort of a leader in this particular for international politics, which I think
00:08:06is good for Spain, thank you,
00:08:09Mad, what seems to have been the tipping point here for many these countries. is the
00:08:13increasing settler violence in the occupied west
00:08:16bank, but what strikes me is very strange is that we've seen three years of a
00:08:20genocide in Gaza, these countries didn't move very quickly on
00:08:24that. true, actually, we also have to see that
00:08:27settlements have been there for decades in Palestine and
00:08:30Israell as a
00:08:34has been building this settlements for decade, but again
00:08:38the international sanctions is the minimum acceptable measure
00:08:42the... after a genocide when we should have actually tackled
00:08:45the system long long
00:08:48ago seeing the settler colonial violence and settler
00:08:52colonial like building settle
00:08:56settlement building have been there for a long time and also one
00:08:59must see that the now especially after genocide again in my
00:09:03opinion the those countries which is trying
00:09:07to adjust their moral the moral
00:09:11corrupt that they could not do. to actually where they fail
00:09:14to stop the genocide, they now trying to
00:09:18respond to the public sentum in the street you
00:09:22know by actually doing this
00:09:24in my opinion this minimum response
00:09:27you know when they could actually just directly darget the structure which is the
00:09:31aparatite regime. thank you madget roxant will
00:09:35these sanctions matter a job to Israel, mean a lot of
00:09:39critics are saying this is too little too late and largely performative.
00:09:43"well, I think that, certainly the very
00:09:47act of of putting sanctions on is symbolically
00:09:50very important, and clearly why there has been quite a few
00:09:54states
00:09:54that have come as a coalition behind this,
00:09:58but further, I think that it's really important for Britain, you
00:10:02asked about legitimacy and and all of that earlier, for
00:10:06Britain and the other states to show they have
00:10:08legitimacy uh, they can live up to, they have been saying..." for
00:10:12years, as Mad has said, that settlement shouldn't
00:10:16be put down, that the the
00:10:20two state solution is what they support, and that actually is the
00:10:23language that's been used. this time around that the reason they're
00:10:27putting on sanctions a minimum perhaps, but nonetheless
00:10:31a step much greater than ever has happened before
00:10:34along with comments such as this has
00:10:38been an apartie a genocide and an apartide
00:10:42regime, that the that
00:10:45the least the government of Britain and these other
00:10:49governments can feel as though there's been a consistency of what they've
00:10:53said before, and that... two-state solution is the
00:10:57reason why they're doing this to maintain that as viable
00:11:01option.
00:11:06violent anti- migrant protests have been unfolding in Britain with
00:11:10hundreds of mass demonstrators descending on UK ports.
00:11:14public anger over small boat arrivals is growing despite official
00:11:18figures showing there's been a drop in numbers, but people
00:11:21smugglers are finding new roots to reach the UK and the... using
00:11:25mega dingis to pack more migrants into a single
00:11:28vessel. the protests have been organized by patriot
00:11:31platform, a group launched by man known as Danny Tomo who
00:11:35has links to the right-wing activist Tommy Robinson. how have
00:11:39you felt seeing these protests, these very threatening and intimidating groups
00:11:43of men turning up in balaclavas and masks? how how have you
00:11:47felt seeing this? i think it's a it's a challenge
00:11:51that we've been seeing for number of years now, so we go back to... at least the
00:11:55last couple of years, we've seen these repeated outbursts
00:11:59of protests, whether it was were about asylum hotels,
00:12:03about specific areas, receiving small boat migrants, everything
00:12:07around immigration is now uh is now under a spector
00:12:11of of lot of frustration, it's been going on and it's been building up
00:12:14for number of years, so I think it's it's not necessarily
00:12:18surprising to to see this happen once more, why do so many
00:12:22people want to come to the United Kingdom and claim asylum when they've traveled
00:12:26through multiple other countries across
00:12:28europe? there's no one single
00:12:32reason, there's a large number of people who all want to get to
00:12:36the UK for a variety of reasons, for some it's
00:12:40because they have friends or family here in the UK,
00:12:43others just want to get here because the English
00:12:47language or because the UK's image as safe
00:12:51and welcoming place. there's also the the issue of Brexit.
00:12:55"now the fact that the UK is no longer part the
00:12:59EU's asylum arrangements has meant that in some ways
00:13:03the UK is now a form of court of appeals for
00:13:07asylum applications in the EU, so we have two situations,
00:13:11either people who've applied for asylum somewhere else, whether that's
00:13:15France, Germany, somewhere in the EU and have gotten
00:13:18rejected, or we have the case of people who've
00:13:21entered the EU through countries like Italy and Greece. on
00:13:25the southern periphery, they were registered there and they
00:13:29risk being sent back to these countries of first entry if
00:13:33they apply for asylum somewhere else in Europe. now because we're no
00:13:37longer part these arrangements, that's not a problem in
00:13:41the UK, they cannot be sent back, the UK government does
00:13:44not have access to databases to tell them
00:13:48if people have been rejected asylum elsewhere, for
00:13:51example, and we know that if you go and ask people,
00:13:55in northern France, they do consider that uh that to be reason, at
00:13:59least some them. Thank you. Claire, you spent years working
00:14:03with Theresa May when she was home secretary in the home office dealing with this
00:14:07issue, and obviously she went to become prime minister and you worked with her as well. A
00:14:11couple of reports this week on that was one from the UN HCR saying
00:14:14that the speed the work in the home office right now
00:14:18is far more important to the government than the quality um that
00:14:22they're pushing through people who not necessary. should be getting
00:14:26asylum? is that your experience? no, it wasn't. mean, we
00:14:29were dealing with quite a large backlog when i was at the home office, but
00:14:33nowhere near the size the the work in progress field that they
00:14:37have currently. it's always going to be a challenging area
00:14:41because you are reliance upon other countries giving you
00:14:45information. if somebody states that they're from Eritrea or from South
00:14:48Sudan, you have to verify that. and those countries are not always
00:14:52the best at record keeping, they're not always going to... give you the information quickly,
00:14:56so there are number of challenges, but I think the home office is just too
00:15:00large in itself, and I said for a long time that it needs to be
00:15:03split, you need to take out immigration, make an own standalone
00:15:07department where you can pour the resources where you need them at the times that
00:15:11you do need them, because otherwise you're just being spread across national
00:15:14security, policing, drugs, uh, passports, you
00:15:18name it that comes into the home office, so I think that is part the problem that nobody
00:15:22ever seems to want to deal with, is that a... solution, Sebastian, for you,
00:15:26creating an immigration department, because other countries have them, and
00:15:30I'd be interested to see what benefits that has, because all of those issues you mention, whether
00:15:33it's um, policing or drugs, they're all linked with immigration as well. "I would
00:15:37imagine having not worked in the home office that you need those people to be speaking each other.
00:15:41Um, I know that's reform pledge as well to separate it out, um, but I think the solutions are
00:15:45probably lot more global as well, it's about working with people, whether they're
00:15:49in Europe or in the Middle East, because these are trails that start a long, long
00:15:53way away from the UK and end up here, and it's only by keeping those relationships
00:15:56strong that we can
00:15:58we can tackle that that very long problem. Claire, you live in Kent,
00:16:02which is huge county in the east of England, Dolver is one the towns there, how are
00:16:06local people feeling when they see the..." gangs of Hudlums turning up in ballotlavas and
00:16:09masks. I spoke to number of people when the protest
00:16:13happened uh and they said how intimidating it was - there
00:16:17was somebody in their car going into the town just to do some
00:16:20shopping and was stopped at around about by somebody wearing a balaclava
00:16:24dressed in black just standing and staring at them and they said
00:16:28this is the kind of tactic that you would have seen in Belfast in the
00:16:311970s not Dover in 2026 and all they were trying
00:16:35to do was get to the shops so local businesses have suffered, there will be
00:16:39those who support them, support these protesters, but I
00:16:43think that grinding the town to a halt is they did, all they
00:16:47managed to stop were freight trucks and people coming either back from
00:16:51holiday or going onto their holiday, so they weren't that happy about it. Who was
00:16:55this Danny Tommo guy who is on this patriot
00:16:58platform who seems to be coordinating lot the
00:17:02anti-migrant response in England? He's got an
00:17:05interesting character when you look. he um, i
00:17:09understand he met Tommy Robinson who is another sort of
00:17:12right-wing agitator in prison, so it gives you the measure
00:17:16of the individual that you're dealing with, and he's managed to get a
00:17:20bunch of people who don't like anybody coming to this country
00:17:24via any means whatsoever, and I have to say the
00:17:27organization for Dover was very, very good, Kent police
00:17:31were caught completely on the hop, they didn't know it was happening, it
00:17:35was incredibly organized, people were coming from... distances, they were
00:17:38disciplined, and I think that should be a worry for everybody, how
00:17:42disciplined and not that information didn't
00:17:46leak out in the same way that it normally would, so I think that that is a really worrying
00:17:50aspect. I think he will do himself more damage, I think that
00:17:53there are a number of legal issues that he is caught up in currently, so
00:17:57all these things will come to the force, so whether he's going to lead it for much longer, I
00:18:01think raines to be
00:18:02seen.
00:18:07Now 300 thousand factory jobs could be lost across the EU by the
00:18:11end the year, that's the warning from the industry representative,
00:18:14Eurometal, which says growing competition from China is putting
00:18:18European manufacturing jobs and supply chains at
00:18:22risk. The EU, China trade deficit has now reached more than
00:18:25billion dollars a day. European Commission president, Arcela
00:18:29Vonderlion warns that Europe faces second China
00:18:33shock. Are we looking at the deindustrialization? of
00:18:37Europe now, well, we're certainly looking at the beginning the deindustrialization of
00:18:41Europe, although to be fair, we voluntarily deindustrialized
00:18:45in, you know, the over the China price, in
00:18:49globalization, we moved low-end manufacture to China because it was
00:18:52cheap, that was the first phase of of deindustrialization, the
00:18:56shock now is that China's come back with with advanced
00:19:00technology and extremely efficient
00:19:03manufacturing and highly organized supply chains, and it is hitting
00:19:08those sectors that Europe thought belong to it, so
00:19:11high-end manufacturing, which in in Europe accounts
00:19:15still for thousands of jobs, particularly in Germany, so yeah,
00:19:19it's a worry. Ian, what are you hearing in the business news
00:19:23world, how concerned are people? I think this is an inevitability, as
00:19:27Isabelle said, I think Mainland Europe is going through a
00:19:31process now that the UK probably went through 40, 45 years ago,
00:19:35we began deindustrializing a long... time before Mainland Europe
00:19:39did, and I think they're going through that same paint trade now, and it's
00:19:42most obviously going to be played out in sectors like automotive,
00:19:46where for example, a country like Germany, had they
00:19:50prepared for it adequately would have known that this was coming
00:19:53anyway, with the transformation to EVs, it
00:19:56takes far fewer people to build an electric vehicle than it does one
00:20:00with a traditional internal combustion engine, and so to that extent
00:20:04countries like Germany ought to have been preparing for this moment. Anyway, and
00:20:08perhaps as Isabel says, it has taken people by surprise that
00:20:12China's moved up the value chain, but it oughten to have been a
00:20:15surprise. Anyone that's visited China, anyone that's spoken to
00:20:19Chinese business leaders, anyone that's spoken to the Chinese government,
00:20:23would have told you they were not going to be happy just sitting there knocking out cheap
00:20:26components and cheap goods, they wanted to move up the value chain, and that's
00:20:30exactly what's happened, and they have Philip, to you in Brussels, give us the
00:20:33reaction in Brussels then about all these job losses and problems with...
00:20:37industry across the EU, how worried are
00:20:40they? well, in Brussels, policy makakers
00:20:44and
00:20:44the EU bubble is alarmed of course, because this is really
00:20:48now touching
00:20:49at the...
00:20:50of of European industrial prowers and there
00:20:54is talk about you know um being tougher on
00:20:58China when it comes to trade, when it comes to you know
00:21:01imports of EVs of batteries of other
00:21:05machinery goods and chemicals where European industry has
00:21:09so far been leading in the world and uh yeah there is now
00:21:13a three-month truce between China and the EU where there are
00:21:17intensive discussions going on how to move on uh
00:21:21best ideally while avoiding a trade war, but the
00:21:24EU is also ready to to speak
00:21:28tougher language with China, that is at least what we hear for
00:21:32now, and there's talk of development of new trade
00:21:35defense tools that should allow a more rapid
00:21:38and a more, commenturate response to
00:21:42Chinese overcapacities, they are based on
00:21:46largely often illegal subsidies that...
00:21:50go against uh WTO rules and also a
00:21:53uh you know uh an art artificially low currency and artificially
00:21:57low r. thank you Philip. Isabel to you, I saw a quote from a
00:22:01European business leader who said, "control the supply chain and
00:22:05you own the complete value chain. That's pretty much what the
00:22:09Chinese have done to European business and industry, isn't it? Uh, pretty
00:22:13much. Yes, so you know, of course,
00:22:16nothing is entirely uh straightforward in a trade war." and and these
00:22:20measures are are really important, it Europe has been
00:22:24slow to realize what's happening, it's been all western
00:22:28economies have been slow to realize they actually need industrial policy
00:22:31at this point,
00:22:32you know, it was way out of fashion during globalization, those days are
00:22:36over, we're now facing moment in which China has a bigger share of
00:22:40global manufacturing than the United States had in
00:22:431945, and if you think what other other
00:22:47economies were like in 1945, just after world... two,
00:22:51you know, this China has achieved without World War
00:22:54II, so we are in, we are a very,
00:22:57very difficult moment when the sheer scale of
00:23:00China, the the fact that China has prepared for
00:23:0415, 20 years to do to lessen its
00:23:07dependency on on external
00:23:11inputs and to control supply chains, it's in very, very
00:23:15powerful position because it controls key components that that that
00:23:19everybody else needs to. manufacture, that said, it also needs
00:23:22markets and at the moment nobody's making money in China, it's an absolute
00:23:26cut throat competition, they're all cutting prices, because there is
00:23:30insufficient consumer activity in China, so
00:23:34everybody has problems and you know they could get worse with the trade
00:23:37war, but we we shouldn't assume that all the cards are in China's
00:23:41hands.
00:23:46Europe's seas are becoming new frontline as tensions with Russia
00:23:50escalate, the EU and its member states have spent around
00:23:53$130 billion dollars on maritime defense over the past
00:23:57decade. The oceans are particularly vulnerable due to the
00:24:01sub-sea cables which carry more than 95% the
00:24:05world's telecom data. So what are the challenges
00:24:09Europe is facing? Sean to you first of all, where are
00:24:12the threats coming from there? Yeah, I mean, one thing to
00:24:16remember is that we've got some maritime experts here, but the vast majority of global...
00:24:20moves via the oceans and therefore you need to be able to protect that. the
00:24:24main threats are the critical national infrastructure, we've got lots of cables and
00:24:28pipelines underneath the ocean. we've also got GPS that can be jammed from
00:24:32the ocean as well, and we're also seeing certainly
00:24:34in the UK lot of Russian uh oil tankers, the sanction fleet
00:24:38are making their way through, and therefore you need to have capability against them.
00:24:42critically, for the cold war and I'm a cold war veteran, we
00:24:46used to be looking at main focus anti submarine warfare, we recognize that the...
00:24:50service threat was really dangerous, but over the years we've lost the
00:24:53ability to do that as credibly as we used to be able to do, and threats like Russia
00:24:57and China, but most particularly Russia has something like 50
00:25:01attack submarines available, we've got five, and most of
00:25:05those are actually not serviceable on, they're all concurrently in being worked on, so
00:25:09we do have a significant shortfall in our military capability in the maritime
00:25:13environment. Jean-fançois, to you, I read an
00:25:17extraordinary statistic this week, 90% of... Europe's
00:25:20trade goes via the sea, we are hugely, hugely
00:25:24dependent on our waters, are we doing enough to protect
00:25:27them? I will, I will give the the wishy washy answer
00:25:31of yes and no, um, I think the investment that we're seeing at the
00:25:35moment are a good uh,
00:25:38that there are good steps, um, what I'm a little bit unclear
00:25:42about and I think it's it's touching on on some points that that we're having here is
00:25:45that the choices that we're making at the moment to
00:25:49defend and... and to be to be clear
00:25:52um my my day today is to look mostly at the North Sea and the
00:25:55Baltics um but when you look at these two
00:25:59environments the way the way the geography
00:26:03and and the sea works um frigates are not
00:26:07necessarily the
00:26:07most uh well
00:26:11prepared platform to defend for example
00:26:14the the Baltics uh but I'm yet to see and you see it piece meal
00:26:18lefts and right left and right um but I think especially
00:26:22in the EU um I'm yet to see
00:26:25very strong argument being made
00:26:29for uncrued vehicle maritime especially.
00:26:33um that could that could either be fielded in conjunction with
00:26:37frigate and submarine for example or also as part the
00:26:41main strategy uh moving forward.
00:26:44mark,
00:26:45to you, what's your assessment of how secure our European
00:26:49seas are? in some ways i think
00:26:53it's tying the other two speakers points, it's like as
00:26:57if the ocean sneak sneak up and snook up on us and we just
00:27:00realizing how much of our... infrastructure is
00:27:03ocean-based, our communications cables, our energy
00:27:07interconnectors, our sea lines communications in terms of trade,
00:27:11they're all converging on the oceans and I've often said that state
00:27:14security is inextricably linked with economic security, which
00:27:18is inextrictly linked with energy security, and our oceans
00:27:22are a key component of that, so I'm concerned that
00:27:26say the architecture in terms of law the sea convention from
00:27:301982 and its subsequent. is no longer fit for
00:27:34purpose
00:27:34in the context of what we see today, Europe in particular is engaged a
00:27:38full-scale hybrid war, and much of that is centered on the
00:27:41ocean, and just to tie into your last speaker there, we need
00:27:45a lot more situational awareness in the context the
00:27:49complexity of activities that are at sea, so we are quite
00:27:52vulnerable. Sean, to you, Europe is spending money on
00:27:56defense like never before, or not in living memory anyway,
00:28:00is enough
00:28:01of it going on? see, I think a lot of it's down to
00:28:04priority priorities, I've been off to Ukraine fairly regularly, and you go
00:28:08through Poland and they feel the heat the Russian
00:28:12invasion far more than we ever do over here through the lens of
00:28:16history, but also because obviously it's right on their border, and therefore
00:28:19they're investing heavily, but in land forces, in tanks and air
00:28:23and they're less worried about the maritime environment, we
00:28:26traditionally in the UK have been a maritime nation, we've been a
00:28:30maritime power, so whilst lot of Europe tends. look east, we really need
00:28:33to be looking west and north, and therefore it feels like
00:28:37nationally and with some of our Nordic partners, France and Spain and
00:28:41Italy, all of which you have so key maritime borders, but
00:28:45actually that's where it's a different priority, and I do think you can't just sort of say
00:28:49NATO or Europe here, you have to have subsets of where
00:28:53our responsibility lies, because we're seeing in the UK, when it's the
00:28:57Yantar and just off our shores, where it's the Russian submarines and
00:29:00their test submarines, over under sea cables, whether it's
00:29:04aircraft coming over, we're feeling that heat a lot more than I would say
00:29:08Poland does, for
00:29:09example,
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