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00:00:03every square meter that is removed
00:00:26Carles Pujamon assures that when he
00:00:27the expansion of can return to Catalonia, the first
00:00:30thing he will do will be to listen to the territory to decide his political
00:00:33future. He said this in an interview with the British newspaper The Sunday
00:00:37Times, which is published
00:00:39reform, because there are pieces of today.
00:00:41Pedro Sánchez and Alberto Núñez Feijó coincide in Catalonia in a key
00:00:45pre-election period. The socialist leader intervened with Salvador
00:00:48Illa and the Popular Party held an event in Badalona with Alejandro
00:00:52Fernández.
00:00:55At least two people have died and six more have been injured in the Moscow
00:01:00eh, and to make projects. Both region in a Ukrainian drone attack. This would be
00:01:03the most intense attack to date against the Russian capital and
00:01:06coincides with the third day of the legislative
00:01:09elections in the
00:01:11country.
00:01:16Germany also holds elections, key elections in Berlin
00:01:20and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. Polls
00:01:23predict a strong rise of the far right. The result of the
00:01:27CDU conservatives will be decisive for the political leadership of Chancellor
00:01:34today? The Merkel. The Matagalls Montserrat route has had to be
00:01:36modified due to environmental restrictions. The
00:01:40itinerary is reduced from 82 to 60 kilometers to protect
00:01:43the natural environment. The Valencian singer Guitarrica de
00:01:47la Fuente headlines the
00:02:51rise a little more with values close to
00:02:5433 degrees. In the warmest areas,
00:02:57sun with some thin clouds in the north of the
00:03:01country. Good morning! Carles Pujamont says
00:03:04that, when he returns to Catalonia, he
00:03:11details of the most controversial
00:03:14will dedicate himself to touring the territory to take its pulse,
00:03:17undertaking a listening process and then
00:03:21he will decide what political steps
00:03:24need to be taken. In an interview with the British newspaper The Sunday
00:03:27Times, which is published today, the former president says that this is
00:03:31his plan, which he has been contemplating for a long time and that
00:03:35he will execute it as long as the Spanish courts apply
00:03:38the amnesty that the Spanish courts approved at the time.
00:03:42He had not granted an interview for more than a year. He does so now
00:03:45less than two years before the next Catalan
00:03:49elections. To decide the future, he says he first wants
00:03:52to gauge the sentiment of the country?
00:03:56All this time I try to
00:04:00be in contact with my team, with the people in order to understand exactly what
00:04:04is going on in Catalonia, but I know it's not the same to
00:04:07smell, to touch, to feel, to be
00:04:12issue is the expansion of among the people. That is my first intention
00:04:16when I arrive, some immersion in the
00:04:19reality to to touch to touch again
00:04:23to feel the smell my
00:04:26country. Pedro Sánchez and Alberto Núñez Feijó
00:04:31coincide today in two political events here in Catalonia. The leader of the SOE
00:04:36linked to the extension of will intervene this afternoon at the Festa de la Rosa in Gabà and will be accompanied
00:04:38by Salvador Illa, while the president of the PP will attend
00:04:43the Natura 2000 a party event in Badalona with Alejandro Fernández.
00:04:46Both arrive in Catalonia at the beginning of the political course and with mutual
00:04:50reproaches, such as the humanitarian crisis in Ceuta or the alleged
00:04:53cases of corruption of the two main Spanish
00:04:57parties. In addition, both Sánchez and Feijó are
00:05:00aware of the important role that
00:05:03the airport, both T1 and the Catalan votes play, contributing 48 deputies to Congress
00:05:07and that next year, as you know, there will be general elections.
00:05:10At least two people have died and about twenty
00:05:20have been injured in Moscow and its
00:05:24region in an offensive with hundreds of drones that Russia
00:05:27attributes to Ukraine. The operation has also affected the
00:05:30oil refinery that had already been the target of other
00:05:34incursions. According to Russian authorities, air defenses
00:05:37have shot down nearly 400 drones that were
00:05:41heading towards the Russian capital. The mayor,
00:05:45Sergey Sovianin, has described the events as the most serious
00:05:48drone attack on the capital. Sovianin has assured
00:05:52that the objective was to interrupt the last day
00:05:56of the legislative elections that have been held this
00:05:59weekend. Ukraine, for the moment, has not commented on the
00:06:03events.
00:06:08And today there are also elections in Germany, specifically in Berlin, and in
00:06:11Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. Polls
00:06:15indicate strong growth for the far right, the Alternative for
00:06:18Germany. These regional elections could also further question
00:06:21the leadership of Chancellor Merkel, if the
00:06:25CDU conservatives obtain poor results, as happened
00:06:29two weeks ago in Saxony-Anhalt.
00:06:31Since 8 in the morning, polling
00:06:34stations have been open here in Berlin and also in Mecklenburg-Western
00:06:38Pomerania. And in fact, we can already give you a headline, which is that the far-right
00:06:41Alternative for Germany, according to the polls, would double its
00:06:45results. The big difference is that neither of the two places
00:06:48will be able to govern. In Berlin, the novelty, eh, would be a
00:06:52new mayor, Eliferalp, a German lawyer with Turkish
00:06:55roots, eh, who could govern for the first time
00:06:59without being from the CDU or the SPD, she is part
00:07:02of the Die Linke party of the
00:07:05left. Her electoral campaign has focused on issues such as
00:07:09rent, very important here in Berlin, waste
00:07:12collection or the price of public
00:07:15transport. In Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, there is a close race between
00:07:18socialists and Alternative for Germany, but the focus is mainly on
00:07:22the CDU's results. If they fell below 5%, which at the moment
00:07:26the polls do not suggest, but if they fell below
00:07:30this 5%, they are at 6 or 7 depending on the poll, eh,
00:07:33the party could be left out of the regional Parliament and this would be
00:07:37a complete defeat for the conservatives with consequences
00:07:40here in Berlin. In fact, some believe that it could
00:07:44unleash the replacement of Chancellor Frichmets
00:07:47here in the capital. The outcome of all this from
00:07:506 p.m. The debate on the expansion of El
00:08:02Prat airport has rekindled this week with the demonstration against it called
00:08:06for today by the Zeroport collective.
00:08:10Also because this Tuesday, the Council of
00:08:13Ministers approved the Aena plans until
00:08:162031, which already include items allocated
00:08:20for the expansion. The technical
00:08:23work, the extension of the sea-side
00:08:27runway, still need to be
00:08:28specified.
00:08:33Well, we're talking about all of this now with the Civil Engineer, Canals and Ports and
00:08:36Transport Professor at the Polytechnic University of Catalonia,
00:08:40Professor Francesc Robuster. Good morning!
00:08:42Thank you for coming, good morning, good morning, as we were saying, this Tuesday the
00:08:46Council of Ministers approved this known as Dora 3, these are
00:08:50Aena's plans until 2031, it's an investment
00:08:53of 1.760
00:08:57million euros at El Prat between
00:09:002027 and 2031, they include items
00:09:03allocated for the expansion, as we said, but the most controversial one still needs to be
00:09:06specified, eh, Professor, how do you evaluate this Dora
00:09:103 and what does it really mean for
00:09:12Catalonia? Well, the evaluation is
00:09:16that
00:09:18it was about time,
00:09:21a controversial
00:09:25the short runway,
00:09:27the one closest to the sea, which would affect the Ricarda
00:09:31wetlands first, but now it also touches the
00:09:35beach a little, and this is postponed,
00:09:38not this Dora plan
00:09:43until 2031, but beyond. What this
00:09:46Dora 3 plan does is to reserve some money
00:09:50to do studies, projects, reach a
00:09:53consensus, etcetera, 191 million
00:09:57euros to do these things. Therefore, the
00:10:00runway is parked because it is a
00:10:03complicated, controversial issue, etcetera, that
00:10:06needs consensus, maturity and they are doing something
00:10:09intelligent, which is to expand the surface. We
00:10:12need it now, not five
00:10:15years ago.
00:10:17We will talk about the most controversial issue, this extension of the runway, in
00:10:21a moment. This Dora 3, when should it be applied?
00:10:26It will start to be applied, it is approved, eh, there are some small
00:10:29procedures left, it was published yesterday in the BOE,
00:10:32therefore it will start to be applied next year
00:10:352027 until 2031,
00:10:38indeed, this money that has been advanced,
00:10:411.760 million euros for El Prat only,
00:10:45then there are others for other airports in
00:10:48Catalonia, are for
00:10:52the TU, of the new terminal of 2009,
00:10:5670,000 square meters towards
00:10:59the parking lot, extending backwards and a comprehensive
00:11:04the T2 of the Olympic terminal, eh a comprehensive reform and
00:11:07then there are some technical issues
00:11:09ehm
00:11:12eh that also include this budget and 100, I already
00:11:16said 141 million euros to do studies, projects,
00:11:19etcetera, of the extension of the new short
00:11:22runway, eh, the sea runway. The satellite
00:11:26terminal, but this is only a
00:11:29project, eh, not execution. Clearly,
00:11:32professor, we have continuous growth since
00:11:361992. Are we late with this expansion of El Prat
00:11:40airport? We are late, we are late, we are late, at
00:11:43least five years or ten years,
00:11:47look, eh, last
00:11:50year, eh, we reached
00:11:5357.5 million
00:11:55passengers, the theoretical capacity, which I
00:11:58say, is not a strict capacity like a
00:12:01glass, a glass that has this capacity of water, if you pour a little more
00:12:05it overflows, it's not like that, it's a little more flexible, but the theoretical
00:12:09capacity is 55,
00:12:11we did 57.5 with a
00:12:15growth of 4.4%
00:12:18annually, but this growth has already
00:12:22increased because now in summer several months have been
00:12:25compared and eh the growth is already
00:12:296% compared to last year, so taking an average of
00:12:32five, this year 2026 we will end
00:12:35with 60 million passengers and if we make an
00:12:39extrapolation to the year 2031, which is when
00:12:43Dora 3 ends, if this 5%
00:12:46growth is maintained, we will have
00:12:4977 million passengers with a capacity
00:12:52of 55, which is unsustainable. 40%,
00:12:5610% can be assumed, 10 or 15%, but 40%
00:13:00no. Clearly, eh, professor, you just
00:13:03gave us very clear data. Really, every
00:13:06year, we, from the media, always announce with headlines
00:13:10these new records that are being achieved in
00:13:13passengers and, eh, operations.
00:13:16Ehm, can we already speak of a saturated
00:13:20airport, although, as you said, there is a little more margin in this
00:13:23sense, right?
00:13:25No, we are reaching the limit, eh, we are reaching the limit. We will notice
00:13:29this every day, every year that passes we will
00:13:32notice it, but look, eh, we are talking about
00:13:36Dora 3, we have not talked about Dora
00:13:382, which is the one that was
00:13:42eh, not agreed upon because, eh,
00:13:46they were going ahead with the expansion of the runway
00:13:50500 m over the Ricarda, even touching the
00:13:53the... the waterline
00:13:56and, eh, it was blocked and
00:14:00then the punishment at that time was foreseen, eh, in
00:14:032022, 2021 when it was presented,
00:14:061.700 million euros were foreseen to do this, yes,
00:14:10build the runway, eh, extend the runway, the satellite
00:14:13terminal, eh, practically nothing was
00:14:17done, only 200 to 250 million
00:14:20have been invested in five years
00:14:24of the total, almost 6.000 million euros in profits
00:14:28generated by Barcelona airport, which is the jewel in Aena's crown,
00:14:32which generates 55% of the
00:14:34profits of the entire Aena network.
00:14:38These numbers were precisely revealed
00:14:41yesterday, because yesterday,
00:14:44eh, the Dora 3
00:14:47figures were published for the first
00:14:51time, showing Aena's income and profits.
00:14:55Eh, we know that Barcelona airport generates the most profit
00:14:59with 55%. Revenues in 2025
00:15:02were 6,278 million euros, and
00:15:05profits in 2025 were 2,185
00:15:09million euros.
00:15:11Eh, half of this is thanks to Barcelona airport, and
00:15:15then they return to us with minimal
00:15:19maintenance of, eh, 200,
00:15:21250 million, with a... we already know that many parts of
00:15:28T2, are falling apart.
00:15:31I understand then that it is an investment
00:15:35eh. expensive or insufficient, now you evaluate it, eh, taking
00:15:38into account this money that the airport brings to Aena, the
00:15:42Barcelona airport, El Prat. Indeed, indeed,
00:15:46eh, 1,760 million euros seems like a lot of money,
00:15:49but considering that Barcelona
00:15:53airport generates more than a thousand
00:15:55million euros in profits every
00:15:59year, it is not that much money, and even
00:16:02more so if we compare it with Madrid-Barajas
00:16:06airport. They make this investment
00:16:09multiplied by 2.5. In
00:16:12Barajas, the investment will be
00:16:144,477 million euros in Barajas,
00:16:18which has slightly more passengers than Barcelona, but only slightly
00:16:22more. By the way, this slightly more is
00:16:25because they count, as Barajas is a hub,
00:16:29it is a connection airport. Barcelona has very
00:16:32little connection, 8%, Barajas has 30%.
00:16:36These passengers and aircraft
00:16:38are counted twice, eh, if someone comes from South America and wants to come
00:16:42to Barcelona, it counts as one from South America
00:16:45to Madrid, plus Madrid- Barcelona, two.
00:16:49If we removed this double counting and
00:16:53simply counted the passengers who go from origin to
00:16:56final destination through an airport,
00:17:00Barcelona has been bringing more passengers than Madrid for a long
00:17:04time. Professor, what is the main
00:17:08limitation of the airport
00:17:11terminals, the runways, all
00:17:14of it, all of it, all of it, because note
00:17:18that the capacity of the runways
00:17:22has been reduced for noise reasons for the
00:17:25residents of Gavà Mar and Castelldefels, Gavà, Castelldefels
00:17:28beach. It has been reduced from 90 operations per
00:17:32hour to 78, eh, due to noise, mm. So
00:17:36what is being done is to fill the off-peak
00:17:39hours, eh, to fill the
00:17:42planes, the aircraft, as much as possible,
00:17:46eh, and then the passengers are
00:17:50increased, trying not to exceed
00:17:52these 78 operations, which are landings and
00:17:56takeoffs per hour,
00:17:58eh, with the maximum, eh,
00:18:02in summer they reach 14
00:18:06hours. capacity
00:18:1014 hours, eh, we have few hours left,
00:18:13of course, because we cannot run the airport 24 hours, people
00:18:16would have to sleep nearby, no, so, at
00:18:20most we have 16 hours of capacity, now we are
00:18:24at 1100 operations per day in
00:18:27high season, the maximum is 1200,
00:18:301250 operations per day, mm, and the
00:18:34maximum, and regarding passengers, I already told you that... the
00:18:37theoretical capacity is 55 million in the two
00:18:40terminals, eh, we are already, this already happened
00:18:44two years ago, I have been saying it in
00:18:47some technical publications and people, well, as
00:18:51if it always rains, no, eh,
00:18:54two years ago we already passed the 55, the ceiling of 55,
00:18:58last year 57.5, this year 2026 we will finish
00:19:01with 60, eh, with the growth
00:19:05forecasts, eh, clearly 60 over 55 can be
00:19:08absorbed, now, mm, the next few years will be years of
00:19:12suffering.
00:19:15Clearly, with these data, these figures, it is clear, eh, we
00:19:18can all get a very good idea of what the real and
00:19:22current situation is at El Prat
00:19:26airport. Ehm, how would the construction of this satellite
00:19:30terminal help, eh, to decongest all
00:19:33this, especially all these passengers?
00:19:37Well, eh, I have already said that what Aena proposes, which I say is
00:19:40intelligent because it is the most pressing
00:19:43need, is to expand T1 by 70,000
00:19:47square meters, gaining space in
00:19:51the parking lots at the back. And therefore this, but
00:19:55of course, we will have this in 2031, I already say that
00:19:57we will suffer during this five-year
00:20:00period, we will suffer. And this we will have, 70,000
00:20:04m2 is half of the satellite, eh, the satellite
00:20:07is 150,000 m2, of course, what happens is that
00:20:10the satellite is very
00:20:13the runway, to the extension of the short runway and as this is
00:20:17delimited, the limits of
00:20:21network etcetera, have to be touched,
00:20:23today there is a demonstration against
00:20:27it, etcetera, Aena what it does is to
00:20:30postpone it to the other Dora
00:20:32four that will be from 2032, five
00:21:10The project in principle that is on the table,
00:21:14at least in 2025, was the extension of 500
00:21:17meters. This, ehm,
00:21:20is the action, therefore, do you think it is necessary
00:21:23to extend it 500 meters?
00:21:26Well, here we would
00:21:28have to get into things. What
00:21:32I want to say first is that this is not proposed in Dora
00:21:363, eh, it is not proposed, eh, simply, eh,
00:21:40there is a reservation of money
00:21:43of a thousand, eh, pardon, 191 million euros to do
00:21:46studies, to study it,
00:21:50for the extension of the runway and for the, eh, for the satellite terminal
00:21:54and the SATE, the system, the automatic baggage
00:21:57transport system and the people mover, which obviously if you have a
00:22:01satellite terminal like Madrid's T4S,
00:22:04you have to have a mechanism to
00:22:07transport the passengers and their
00:22:10luggage, so this is not included in Dora
00:22:143. Now the issue, eh, the philosophy, well
00:22:18this really comes down to... what kind of country do we want?
00:22:22If we only want a country of tourism
00:22:25with low salaries compared to tourists,
00:22:29mh, eh, or do we want a country of research,
00:22:32innovation, etcetera, or a country
00:22:35of everything, eh, that, eh, eh,
00:22:39ehm, was proposed during
00:22:41the time of President Aragonès, an idea
00:22:45that came from an economist who was president
00:22:48of Airports of Catalonia, Daniel
00:22:51Albalate, and we had to study it at the UPC and
00:22:55we just had an agreement, an agreement to study it and the elections
00:22:59were brought forward and the agreement was not signed and therefore we have not
00:23:03studied that it was to use
00:23:05eh the runway, put some
00:23:09traffic lights like traffic lights, not on the streets,
00:23:13no, the long inner
00:23:16runway, ehm, is used for
00:23:21landings only. The short sea runway
00:23:24is used, which is 2,660 m, it is used
00:23:28for takeoffs and then they are made to turn 60 degrees towards the sea to
00:23:32reduce the sonic boom.
00:23:34There are wide-body
00:23:38aircraft, which need more runway, more than
00:23:412,660 m, they need to take off from the
00:23:45long inner runway, this naturally
00:23:48creates interference with this segregation
00:23:52of operations. Then, eh, this Daniel Albalate came up with
00:23:56the idea, why don't we put traffic lights, a traffic light
00:23:59that from such and such a time to such and such a time in July and August
00:24:02from 10 in the morning to 2 in the afternoon, the long
00:24:06runway is for takeoffs, which is when these
00:24:09white-body aircraft that need this
00:24:12runway length use it, how many are there? 1%? Only
00:24:161% of aircraft need this length
00:24:20greater than 2,660 m, the rest
00:24:24of the aircraft, even the largest ones, the wide-body
00:24:28ones, which are 6% of the
00:24:31total, the rest, this 5% of the total can
00:24:34use the short runway, so it was a plausible
00:24:38idea, but it had to be studied, eh, it had to be
00:24:42studied because you can imagine that safety is very
00:24:45important in the airport world,
00:24:48and, eh? Therefore, ehm, I think
00:24:52that with a package of measures, such
00:24:55as this, perhaps centrifuging
00:24:58a percentage, not all, of low-cost operations
00:25:01to Girona and Reus, eh, a series,
00:25:05a package of measures, ehm, it is not necessary
00:25:08to expand so much,
00:25:11mh, perhaps some hundred meters yes, but it is not necessary to expand
00:25:15these 500 meters, which, by the way, are not, the
00:25:19500 meters are no longer totally on the Ricarda,
00:25:22practically all of them are on the Ricarda and there are about
00:25:2560 meters that are on the beach
00:25:29as well. It also plays with 60 m of a safety
00:25:33distance that is called eh
00:25:36RESA (Runway End Safety Area)
00:25:39which are 240 m that must be green, eh, not
00:25:42paved but green for safety, and
00:25:4560 m of pavement are taken, well, everything that has
00:25:49been tried. An optimization has been made, the runway
00:25:52has been moved a little to the south, about
00:25:5560 m, so that it does not touch the water sheet so
00:25:58much at the beach and generous compensations
00:26:02are proposed, eh, for
00:26:06from the wetland area, to create 10 more square meters
00:26:10eh around. Clearly, here the controversy focuses mainly
00:26:14logically on the preservation of this protected natural area of La
00:26:17Ricarda and also, very importantly, the acoustic
00:26:21pollution that this expansion of
00:26:24El Prat airport entails. Ehm,
00:26:28why hasn't the necessary island been built for the
00:26:32residents, ehm, to avoid all this
00:26:36acoustic impact, as Aena has done, for example, in
00:26:39What should be done in this regard, Professor? I think
00:26:43I think that something has been done, but
00:26:47it's a little a few million,
00:26:51uh, of euros of investment in Madrid, 170 million
00:26:54were invested in Barajas. 170 million. The
00:26:57closest houses were expropriated at market prices,
00:27:01uh, not those expropriation prices that are
00:27:05always 10%, no, at market prices. Your house
00:27:09is a big house, it's worth 2 million, 3 million euros,
00:27:13two or three million euros, and they were isolated. But
00:27:16thousands of houses, 170 million euros here in
00:27:20Barcelona. Uh, I don't know the figure because
00:27:23also, uh, we should also ask for a bit of transparency. Uh,
00:27:27AENA is a public entity,
00:27:30uh, I know it's mixed, but the
00:27:33public wins, uh, 51% public,
00:27:3649% private. It's public, uh,
00:27:40any lawyer, uh, will be able
00:27:43to tell you. We want a bit of transparency, we want the
00:27:46figures, we want, we want, uh, the profits to be published and which
00:27:50airport gives these profits. It's a
00:27:53curiosity, uh, but it's that I think
00:27:56uh, it's not acceptable for a public entity
00:28:00to hide the figures of the results of its
00:28:04operation. Therefore, in Barcelona, something has been done.
00:28:06I don't know the
00:28:10quantity, a very small quantity of
00:28:13isolations, but in Madrid, 170
00:28:16million euros have been invested. Well, we want the same, an investment of 170 that is not
00:28:20contemplated in Dora 3.
00:28:24Well, uh, we have to leave it here. It has been a pleasure. We have
00:28:28tried to put figures, we have tried to
00:28:31put data, and also clarify what
00:28:37the Prat airport means. Thank you, the engineer of Roads, Canals and
00:28:40Ports and professor of Transport at the Polytechnic
00:28:52back.
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00:30:25Carles Puigdemont assures that when he can return to Catalonia, the first thing
00:30:29he will do is listen to the territory to decide his political
00:30:33future. He said this in an interview with the British newspaper The Sunday Times
00:30:36that is published
00:30:37today.
00:30:41Pedro Sánchez and Alberto Núñez Feijóo coincide in Catalonia in
00:30:45a pre-election key. The socialist leader intervenes in Gavà with Salvador
00:30:48Illa and the Popular Party holds an event in Badalona with Alejandro
00:30:52Fernández.
00:30:56At least two people have died and six more have been injured in the region of...