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00:00:00they should do this, this, like this, like this, and we will bring
00:00:03a plan to the president of the government, which is what
00:00:06would be, listen, if
00:00:10I hope I pronounced the name correctly, she is a member of we have a plan and we want the government to listen because if they approved a decree, we want them to take it
00:00:13into account, but that's not what they're considering, I want
00:00:16an opportunity,
00:00:18to see if on Monday we have the opportunity to talk to the deputies of
00:00:22together in Congress and ask them, eh, also ask them
00:00:25about what Joan Serra said, that it will soon be a year
00:00:29since those of Carles Puigdemont
00:00:32gave them completely broken, it was politically interesting today, it was politically interesting today
00:00:36to what extent Miriam Nogueras' speech put the focus of pressure
00:00:40on Podemos because I think we are here now too, that is,
00:00:43everyone plays their cards, tries to, eh, I think, provide their
00:00:47solutions to get out of where they belong or where they believe they
00:00:51should be in the housing debate in the photograph I mentioned before, and now it's
00:00:54about who is reticent, that is, what are the measures that
00:00:58are part not of the debate and who are the parties or the
00:01:02formations that are reticent to this, and today this pressure from
00:01:06Junts specifically on Podemos but it's not just a year, it's
00:01:10that on Tuesday
00:01:12Jordi Turull held a press conference about
00:01:16the assessment of the amnesty and I was there,
00:01:19that is, they didn't tell me, I asked him
00:01:23if it changed, eh, eh, the implementation of
00:01:26the amnesty as a reality, yes,
00:01:30it changed the relationship with the PSOE. The answer was that nothing changed and that the
00:01:33relations remained broken, and two days later, Mari Carmen works
00:01:37miracles, listen, it turns out that we are negotiating the housing decree
00:01:41quickly and
00:01:44very free country, everyone can do what hurriedly. We will continue to report from
00:01:46Monday. Eh, I want to go to Lleida because today the City Council has approved an
00:01:50ordinance, we talked about it at the time here in the evening, which prohibits
00:01:53wearing the Burqa and the Niqab in the street, also in public buildings. The
00:01:57PSC, Junts and Vox have voted in favor of the measure. Eh, to
00:02:01try to prevent the prohibition from being overturned by justice,
00:02:04as already happened, eh, places of worship are included
00:02:08many people who bother as an exception and there is no mention of the Islamic veil. Pau
00:02:11Espark, good evening. Hello, good evening, Marina. Are there other Catalan municipalities that
00:02:15have already prohibited the Burqa and the
00:02:17and is punctual about Niqab? Yes, there are, but we must say that
00:02:20they include nuances. In fact, to begin to explain this issue, we
00:02:24must go back to 2010, which is when Lleida, precisely,
00:02:27was the first municipality to...
00:02:31decide to prohibit the use of the full veil in its
00:02:34municipal facilities. So this
00:02:37caused between 2010 and
00:02:392012, fifteen Catalan towns also
00:02:43to prohibit eh, approve ordinances
00:02:46or motions in some cases that wanted to
00:02:49prevent access to public
00:02:53facilities if one went with the face covered, not in the street, which
00:02:56is what the City Council has also included now.
00:03:00Finally, the municipalities that deployed this prohibition between
00:03:032010 and 2012 were Lleida, Cervera, Reus, El
00:03:07Vendrell, Mollet del Vallès, Lloret de Mar and Castelló d'Empúries,
00:03:11but there is no record that they ever imposed sanctions and, in
00:03:15fact, eh, the ordinances of Lleida and Reus were
00:03:19annulled because justice said that they affected fundamental
00:03:22rights. Are there countries in Europe that
00:03:26specifically prohibit the Burqa and the Niqab? Yes, this
00:03:30case is very clear, there are prohibitions and the first one also
00:03:33started in 2010, this case was
00:03:36France the first country with a restrictive regulation that
00:03:40prevents the use of the full veil, in the street, in
00:03:43shops, in means of transport and in some
00:03:46public facilities, then other European
00:03:50countries such as Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, the
00:03:53Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria have joined, and it is in this last case in
00:03:57Austria where from this month the
00:04:00Islamic veil has been prohibited for students under
00:04:04Italy has also just announced that it will prevent
00:04:07wearing a covered face
00:04:10coexistence, that's it, that's what
00:04:11women in in educational centers, and another country that has just prohibited the Burqa and the Niqab in public
00:04:16all, that is, he spaces is Portugal, in Germany its use is prevented for
00:04:19civil servants, judges and military personnel. Ah, thank you Pau,
00:04:23it is a measure that has been approved with the votes in favor of the PSC, Junts, Vox,
00:04:26PP, Esquerra and the Comú de Lleida, and they have voted against it, they have justified it.
00:04:31In public spaces everyone should feel free and
00:04:35be able to participate in this desire for people to coexist, for people
00:04:38to understand each other, for people to participate. We have
00:04:41bought into the mental framework of the extreme right.
00:04:45National saviors, feminist saviors,
00:04:49invasions, categories of people. We have
00:04:55us, but the point of it very clear, we are against the use of the Burqa. The ordinance we are voting on today
00:04:58does not prohibit the burqa, but rather allows
00:05:02cruelly honest, that is, and regulates it, in fact, with the approval of this
00:05:04ordinance, the same women who wear the same burqas will continue to come
00:05:08to Lleida today, or even more.
00:05:12Well, these are the political interpretations that the parties make. I want to greet
00:05:16Sisa Xali El
00:05:19Uaquili,
00:05:22the equality area of the citizen platform
00:05:25Integra Lleida, Sisa, good evening, good
00:05:27night, hello,
00:05:31tell us, what do you think from this
00:05:34association that you are part of, that the city council
00:05:37has opted for this prohibition, how do you value
00:05:41the measure?
00:05:44Well, I, as an integrated
00:05:48person, eh,
00:05:51and there's freedom there, everyone can dress
00:05:55as they want, we are in the year
00:05:582001, but I, for example, the way
00:06:02people dress in the burqa or the hijab or whatever
00:06:05I see it as
00:06:08free, but
00:06:12eh, for example, I was in
00:06:15an open family, I have my sisters who wear
00:06:18the hijab, I, for example, was never forced
00:06:22to wear the hijab, but
00:06:25the burqa for us is not our
00:06:29culture, it's not, if you go to Morocco there aren't many people who
00:06:33wear the burqa, there are a few people,
00:06:36but it's a culture
00:06:40that has been
00:07:13introduced. But then the light came back, but there aren't many people,
00:07:16it's not like there are
00:07:20or whatever, no, there weren't, there aren't many, there are a few,
00:07:24but you see that those people don't even go to work or
00:07:28are integrated or whatever, no, it's a
00:07:32housewife who goes to pick up the children, but there are few, there are few
00:07:36people, it's not like the people who wear the hijab,
00:07:39the hijab, yes, there are quite a few people, of course. that
00:07:42would be the veil, eh, when we talk about the burqa and the niqab
00:07:46it's the one that covers the whole face, eh, it's covering the
00:07:49face, the burqa is covering the face,
00:07:53there are people who only show their eyes and there are few of those,
00:07:56but few in Lleida, I don't see that
00:07:59many, but for example, people who wear the hijab
00:08:03with their face uncovered, yes, there are quite a few, but
00:08:07this is the culture of
00:08:10the country of Morocco, of Islam.
00:08:14Clear, here, here, here, in any case, the city council is not
00:08:17prohibiting, what would be the Islamic veil, eh, it prohibits
00:08:21wearing the entire face covered in public buildings.
00:08:50Eh, a question, eh, the women who wear it, who wear the
00:08:53burqa or the niqab,
00:08:57can this prohibition make them not
00:09:01want to leave
00:09:01home?
00:09:05How about I ask you in Spanish? The
00:09:09measure, yes, the act of prohibiting, eh,
00:09:12wearing the burqa and the niqab in public
00:09:15spaces, can it make or cause
00:09:18these few
00:09:23the city of Lleida to decide not to leave home, not
00:09:27to leave home, excuse me?
00:09:30Well, it's going to be very prohibited and there
00:09:33will be consequences, of course,
00:09:37because there are people who wear it because
00:09:40they are convinced that they have to wear it.
00:09:43for family reasons or for themselves, because sometimes
00:09:47a woman is not forced, there are women who are
00:09:50forced, but there are women who
00:09:54convinced, so she is
00:09:57convinced of that, she is not going to
00:10:00end up not going out, do you understand?
00:10:03Of course, but it was unfair to
00:10:07prohibit a woman from leaving home for that.
00:10:10Yes, yes, ah, a...
00:10:15question and with this I will finish, eh
00:10:17if in any way, eh, in any
00:10:20form, eh, you feel that
00:10:22politically it is being used.
00:10:55racist proclamations that for real years
00:10:58it was unthinkable to see political parties
00:11:02claim that all people who come from Morocco
00:11:06must go back to their country eh I speak eh
00:11:09at a general level eh I don't know if in any
00:11:12way you feel singled out at this
00:11:15moment
00:11:18Well, yes, yes, there are many things
00:11:21we hear
00:11:24but eh there are also people
00:11:28who understand it differently because many politicians have taken advantage of
00:11:31this, many politicians have come to light,
00:11:35they have had much success because there are parties, for
00:11:39example, that were not before or were hidden,
00:11:42but now they come to light, they almost have a majority to
00:11:46attack themselves, let's say the word, I don't know,
00:11:49to attack these people, to return to the country or
00:11:53to integrate us. We are not against
00:11:56integration, but integration also has a point,
00:11:59not because I am in Spain I have to go
00:12:03eh, I don't know, completely uncovered or that, we are in a
00:12:09they want, do you understand, but for
00:12:12example, that people use it, politicians,
00:12:15yes, they use it, yes, yes, many politicians
00:12:19are using it as a reason to move
00:12:23forward, but...
00:12:25it's a shame, it's a shame because there are many things that are
00:12:29more important than getting into
00:12:33things like that, if a person is integrated and
00:12:36is working and is learning the language
00:12:42taking the children to school, integrating them, the
00:12:45children have no problem in the classrooms with the
00:12:49language and the woman also wants to integrate and
00:12:52wants to learn the language and all that.
00:12:55It's not a problem, I think it's not a problem, but the
00:12:59person who comes to
00:13:02provoke bad conflicts, that's
00:13:05not going to be good for the people who live here or the people who
00:13:09come from outside. Everyone, the law is for
00:13:13everyone, for everyone, because this person
00:13:16comes, comes today with a child, tomorrow
00:13:20they will have a child, tomorrow they will also have the right to vote
00:13:23and they already have. For example, our children are already
00:13:27voting, they are going to vote, they know what
00:13:30they want, so they
00:13:34are already part of society, they don't have
00:13:36to treat the issue like that, we have to treat the
00:13:40issue of integration, not
00:13:42say, no, no, no, if you don't wear that, you have to go
00:13:45outside, no, it's that people finally come, they come looking for a
00:13:49better future, and that's not bad for anyone, everyone knows
00:13:53that we have reached a point where everyone is emigrating
00:13:56abroad, like here, like Spaniards
00:14:00who now go abroad a lot, we who come from here, in the end
00:14:04people who come to improve their future and have the
00:14:08intention to integrate, eh, that can be
00:14:12proven in many ways, so
00:14:15this person does not provoke anything for
00:14:19anyone and and and if I, for
00:14:22example, we all eh... need to live
00:14:25peacefully, I want my child to go out, come
00:14:29back safe and sound, we live in a
00:14:32good
00:14:35we immigrants want too, we immigrants also want to live
00:14:39peacefully,
00:14:43we don't have, we don't want conflicts,
00:14:46but the people who come, for example, I don't think there are
00:14:50few people or the thing, I don't
00:14:53know, what people stumble upon along the way
00:14:57that becomes aggressive or that, nobody will want that,
00:15:00neither us as immigrants, nor
00:15:03you, nor anyone, no, it does not
00:15:06favor, it does not favor aggression,
00:15:09but to use this immigrant who gets up at the first
00:15:13hour of the morning to work, to
00:15:17serve the people who are paying taxes, who
00:15:20are doing everything they can, and this person just wants
00:15:25to live better and their children also live better and
00:15:29that's it, I think that's not a, it's not, it's not much
00:15:33to ask,
00:15:35so it's a shame, it's a shame that
00:15:38for example parties that instead
00:15:41of fighting for a
00:15:45good coexistence eh are
00:15:48pushing that no, that this immigrant has come to
00:15:52be no, not everyone,
00:15:54not everyone, also there are good and bad people
00:15:58and bad people also have their consequences, they have their
00:16:02punishment, they can do or respect that, the law must
00:16:06be respected by all.
00:16:19Thank you today for attending us here at Mesnit,
00:16:21thank you, yes, I hope
00:16:24that I have said something clear, but
00:16:27well, I am one of a
00:16:30few, there are many people, but I try, I try to integrate us
00:16:34and it's a shame, it's a shame that we are
00:16:38now in the 21st century showing that what we want
00:16:42is a better future for ourselves, for our children
00:16:45and that's it, we don't want problems, we don't want
00:16:49it to be a topic to
00:16:52climb on, but everyone
00:16:55is also free to
00:16:59it's a policy and that's it, thank you for
00:17:02everything, well thank you very much to you
00:17:04thank you for allowing me.
00:17:09Thank you, eh, that's why we wanted to collect eh, the
00:17:12voice of the community at a time when the city council approves
00:17:16a measure of these characteristics of everything that
00:17:19Alacisa Joan said, eh
00:17:22to see, mm, I was reflecting that there are women who
00:17:26wear it voluntarily and others who may be forced to do so. This is
00:17:30a thorny debate, eh, and it's complicated
00:17:33because it's difficult to determine, eh, from outside to establish.
00:17:38Quantities, even, to know which women do it out of obligation and which
00:17:42do not. In fact, the 2013 Supreme Court ruling, after the City Council
00:17:46tried to regulate also via regulations, not via
00:17:49ordinance, in 2010 the same
00:17:52issue focused perhaps in a different way, from encroaching
00:17:56on the right to religious freedom, it already
00:17:59said that it could not be determined, that ruling said it, it said that it could not
00:18:02be determined if these women who wore the full veil, the Niqab or the
00:18:06Burqa did so out of obligation,
00:18:09and the danger there was, regarding your question, the Supreme Court ruling also said
00:18:13if this could cause the perverse effect of
00:18:17cloistering, it used this word, cloistering,
00:18:19eh, therefore this debate is very complex, what I find difficult
00:18:22to understand and perhaps, eh, well, it is
00:18:26that some parameters have escaped us, but I find it difficult to understand that entering
00:18:30this specific agenda that we are talking about today, the Lleida City Council and the burqa and the
00:18:33niqab, eh,
00:18:36provides some kind of benefit to those political formations
00:18:40that legitimately believe that they can regulate
00:18:44from the parameter of coexistence,
00:18:47civility, their city, that is, those formations that have
00:18:50all of them categorized as eh, obviously, eh,
00:18:54democratic, why do they opt for this political agenda? Because it is
00:18:58evident that today the PSC government, with the support it has
00:19:01had, intended this to be news and in
00:19:05recent months knew that this... would be news, I find it difficult to see the
00:19:09political benefit of buying a certain agenda, why?
00:19:12Well, because we know who can benefit from this
00:19:16debate, a debate that can be approached in a thoughtful way or in a
00:19:19rude way, in a rude way there are more extremist political options that
00:19:23can use it in a very simple way, in fact
00:19:27these same parties what they do is raise the flag of a false
00:19:31feminism, of an identitarian feminism to oppose
00:19:35Islamophobia, to use the path. Islamophobia, that is, when you
00:19:39say no, no, we are against these
00:19:41options, eh, of Islam that what they do is treat
00:19:45in a way, well, eh, as if the
00:19:48Muslim woman did not have rights, eh,
00:19:51so that's the flag of feminism when you are not a party that has a clear feminist agenda, in
00:19:55fact you fight it, you fight gender policies,
00:19:58eh, precisely, no, well this is the danger, that
00:20:02the agenda that we all buy is an agenda that is not the one that suits us,
00:20:06I think. By the way, no one from the city council wanted to attend
00:20:10the media to explain the reason for this prohibition, eh, let
00:20:13me say it because we have offered the possibility, eh, to the city council that
00:20:17they could explain why.
00:20:21It makes me very uncomfortable to talk about this topic
00:20:25because it's not what Joan says, I can
00:20:28attest, eh, because it suits us, this agenda suits
00:20:32the matter is, if we have to talk about this topic, perhaps we have to
00:20:36be
00:20:40dir,
00:20:42the burqa and the niqab are an instrument of
00:20:45subjugation of women,
00:20:48we must ask ourselves. Is the answer
00:20:52yes?
00:20:55The burqa and the niqab create a context that
00:20:59legitimizes eh a
00:21:01climate of oppression towards women,
00:21:04yes, the burqa and the niqab, like, for
00:21:07example, the Muslim girl who at
00:21:11nine years old is taken out of gymnastics class or from the
00:21:14pool and then will not go to university,
00:21:18just because she is a woman. Are we giving all the
00:21:22guarantees to this woman who is also a
00:21:24woman? All this is important, therefore
00:21:28I believe that the debate of whether we are in favor or against prohibiting
00:21:32the niqab, for me, is that everyone should be against the
00:21:35niqab and the burqa because you are that is to say, you are
00:21:39taking for granted that
00:21:43eh they don't think because they are Muslim eh
00:21:46that is, they cannot make their own decisions because they are Muslim?
00:21:50Because they are women, because they are Muslim women, I ask, eh, I say this because a tweet by Manuel Delgado
00:21:54on the matter today made me think a lot about eh when
00:21:57we start to prohibit eh certain things
00:22:01from other cultures that from here we see
00:22:05well and
00:22:08as the dear David Fernández says and if it bothers us that there are
00:22:12niqabs or burqas as we said
00:22:14before walking along Passeig de Gràcia the luxury boutiques
00:22:18this also bothers.
00:22:26That is, because I have seen burqas and
00:22:29niqabs on Passeig de Gràcia with ladies who
00:22:33are not one, four, five, six, who are
00:22:36shopping in the middle of Passeig de Gràcia, this seems fantastic to me, nobody
00:22:40here feels grateful, no, Passeig de Gràcia also bothers me, that is,
00:22:44I don't like it, I like it,
00:22:47probably, look, probably if
00:22:50you and I had been born
00:22:53in Afghanistan, we would have a 90% chance of wearing a
00:22:56burqa. So, what is the cultural,
00:23:00family conditioning of an entire society so that this woman really
00:23:04decides, well, I don't know, but I think
00:23:07I lean more towards
00:23:10obviously a cultural tradition, a
00:23:13religious tradition, a family tradition, a
00:23:16state, a criminal tradition, it's that clear, isn't it?
00:23:27That is, clitoral mutilation,
00:23:30it was done 40 years ago and nothing happened here until
00:23:33it was legislated and treated as a crime because this
00:23:37happened. Mutilation
00:23:40of girls, of girls, well, this happened
00:23:44because in Africa there are areas where it is well seen.
00:23:47Well, look, if we travel anywhere,
00:23:51women, especially if we have to enter a mosque, we have to
00:23:55cover ourselves, not with a burqa, but we have to cover ourselves, we have to comply with rules, well, I believe
00:23:59that here, yes, I believe that here we are to comply with rules, it is no longer about
00:24:02feminism or not, I think that these women are in an outfit that is a
00:24:06prison, a prison, and then if there are so few because
00:24:09it is true that there are few because and in Morocco there is no
00:24:13burqa, one thing is the Islamic veil and another thing is the burqa that only shows
00:24:16the eyes and with the eyes sometimes there is a grille. It is, it is that
00:24:20it is scary, it is scary, you see a woman like that, it is scary, I also tell you, it is
00:24:24not a security issue, eh, because the Mossos, the Mossos have
00:24:28no problem telling that woman: no, no, listen, you have to
00:24:31take that off, you will have to take it off, you know, because
00:24:34first, first is security above all, that is, here, here we do not
00:24:38enter into a debate if there is more security or
00:24:41less security, we enter into the debate in public spaces, the debate
00:24:45in Lleida must be focused from security, it
00:24:48is so.
00:24:58they are few, these few I understand that social
00:25:01services, I say it, I say it from the point of view that the
00:25:05city council does it, I say it critically, because when the city council
00:25:08integrates it into a civility and coexistence ordinance, it must
00:25:11approach it from a point of view that this law goes, I prefer
00:25:15coexistence, well, I think it is beyond doubt on this table
00:25:19what we prefer, right? Ah, let me quote Manuel Delgado's
00:25:23tweet well, he said it made me think, eh, at least he said how
00:25:26can one know if a woman wears the burqa out of imposition or out of her
00:25:29convictions, Muslim women think, if it is
00:25:33said that they don't think it is because they are Muslim or
00:26:37cinematic phenomenon, which is the black ball of the Abys,
00:26:41a multi-award-winning film,
00:26:43eh, it can reach the Oscars, eh, it can make history, eh, we have invited
00:26:47the film critic who is also a producer for Mesnit, so
00:26:51it's Aleix Sales, we had it easy today, Aleix, good evening, good
00:26:54evening, because you were one of the lucky ones who on Monday could already sneak into this press
00:26:58pass, yes, eh, eh, in Barcelona, the cinemas.
00:27:06Well, let's see, eh, it's a movie that has also generated
00:27:10a certain disparity of opinions, but the objective that you will perhaps see more
00:27:13written or hear more is monumental because it is a
00:27:17very ambitious film, at a
00:27:19narrative level, the Abys are growing more and more with their
00:27:23projects m
00:27:26also that the viewer has very much in mind
00:27:29and it is a film that can easily reach
00:27:33any type of audience, okay, eh, the hype that there has been and that there is and
00:27:37that this film has generated before it reaches the cinemas is justified,
00:27:40would you say? well, look, all, all hype
00:27:44comes from some reason and of course it all started with it being the second
00:27:47film by the Abys that directly entered the official section of
00:27:51Cannes and so it already starts to generate a buzz and
00:27:54of course you come out of there with a prize, then you
00:27:57present it at various festivals and you get the audience award in Toronto
00:28:01which is something. quite difficult to win, so of course, it's
00:28:05normal for it to generate hype, but really the film has enough
00:28:09values to correspond to this expectation,
00:28:12ah ah, we have, the producers are very cinephiles at Mesnit, we have Marta Gérez
00:28:16also who told me the other day that she had the feeling that
00:28:20this film, at a time when society is so
00:28:23polarized, this film eh we would see
00:28:26how it is politically vindicated, do you think that will happen? I think
00:28:30so, that really eh...
00:28:33eh, whether for one side or the other, something will happen because it is a
00:28:36film that everyone will talk about these days and I think that next
00:28:40week in the Congress of Deputies someone will make some mention of Lorca,
00:28:44the black ball or all these oppressed
00:28:47identities ehm over the decades, the
00:28:50soundtrack, be careful, be careful, I'm telling you because its
00:28:54creator eh is already listening to you, look, it's not because I have him here next to me but
00:28:58really really yes
00:29:02eh... it's a soundtrack that integrates perfectly with the film
00:29:05and really
00:29:07ehm what it does is also perhaps where the Abys perhaps
00:29:11overdo it a little, the soundtrack tempers it a little
00:29:15no eh it balances the tone
00:29:19of the chords sometimes they can overload it, the music
00:29:22makes it so that it doesn't go to this point, well, yes, it brings
00:29:26everything to its point and that makes the whole thing go better
00:29:29and flow more and we may have to talk more
00:29:41but eh does it reach the Oscars? would you put your hand in the fire? look, you can't
00:29:44ever put your hand in the fire with these things because sometimes eh something
00:29:48strange can happen, there can be a mistake in the campaign, I don't know, the Javits can say something
00:29:52barbaric and get cancelled but even so everything
00:29:56indicates that it will reach the Oscars and in more than one category
00:30:00and about the figure of Lorca in the film. what predominates,
00:30:04the orca predominates because the orca eh, the orca
00:30:07victim, the orca is is its end, but in his life
00:30:11Lorca in that era poets were like rock and roll stars and
00:30:15Lorca was the most rock and roll star of
00:30:18was a person very far,
00:30:21let's say, from any victimism, perhaps it's not so much Lorca but
00:30:25the legacy that Lorca leaves, what prevails is that it's not an
00:30:29Arlorca film, in fact the Cabis initially defined it as the...
00:30:35but as Marina commented, it is a film that talks about the
00:30:39legacy of Lorca, either through his work, the people
00:30:43who knew him, also about
00:30:46his figure, what it has meant for future generations, for all the
00:30:49identities that have been discriminated against for
00:30:52so many reasons that have made them see Aleix Sales, thank you, a
00:30:55pleasure, eh, go and test this
00:30:59soundtrack.