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00:00:19big news stories happening, we get
00:00:21up to break it, tv news first with
00:00:28of of of britan.
00:00:30of
00:00:44still uh some important business
00:00:46to be done. Okay, um,
00:00:48we you know we've been doing this series uh, politics ahead
00:00:51of the 2027 election, uh, right now, let let's look at it, the situation
00:00:55in aboy state, um, ebongi state,
00:00:59well, is an... PC state, its governor is governor
00:01:02Francis,
00:01:06and everybody knows,
00:01:08of well, I imagine everybody would know
00:01:10of thatliki, very popular town, is its
00:01:14a capital. I guess this
00:01:15of morning is the right honorable
00:01:18emmanuel, he
00:01:22is a former leader, state house of assembly, good
00:01:26morning to you, honorable.
00:01:35you are in
00:01:36of
00:01:37of opposition, yes does that does that make very
00:01:41much diff, in fact let me just take
00:01:44of your of let me take your view of um the state of
00:01:48uh politics
00:01:49me in boing state um
00:01:53because it
00:01:54of is often said that there there's
00:01:56of a of political crisis
00:01:58in aerborn state so let me just look at that, do you accept
00:02:02that
00:02:02of description?
00:02:03of yes, I don't
00:02:07actually subscribe to eboni has been a peaceful
00:02:11state for a long time, okay,
00:02:12of and in the southeast eby naturally have been
00:02:16the most
00:02:17in peaceful state for the past 10,
00:02:2115
00:02:22a years, what is playing in is more of a home bread,
00:02:26executively backed democracy,
00:02:30terrorism and um, as you know,
00:02:34me opposition is one
00:02:36of the ingredients of true
00:02:39democracy, and if the
00:02:42executive for example is doing what he should do,
00:02:46naturally, as you look at some other states in Nigeria, you can, people are
00:02:50finding her even be in opposition, but
00:02:53in a state like Ebony is not about political party, not about
00:02:56PDP or APC or labor, is about the performance.
00:03:00and um, it is
00:03:02hard to, if you look at Abbia state closely, it is hard to even do opposition
00:03:06in abia state or in some other states in the southeast, because
00:03:10the chief executives, they have focus, they have direction, they
00:03:13have um policies that that you have
00:03:17um, what we call have chain reaction to the better life
00:03:21of the people,
00:03:22of but if um anybody
00:03:27me in any party is not performing, he is not a good ambassador of that party, a boy
00:03:30state, yes, was PDP, presently APC,
00:03:34but I think APC
00:03:36of needs
00:03:37of to ordinarily have had a
00:03:38of good
00:03:39of ambassador there to enable them campaign
00:03:42or boost, as I'm talking to you, there's nothing
00:03:46APC at the national level can
00:03:49of showcase to the world
00:03:50in a bunny, it can do in other states. I know
00:03:53when the president was
00:03:55in a number state, I know when he was in abbia state, I know when he was in
00:03:59IMO. he was any good, but he can't come to a b because there nothing to
00:04:03showcase
00:04:09and understand it, because um you being on ground uh,
00:04:12i well right now you're in Abuja
00:04:15in a studio in
00:04:15of abudia, but
00:04:18of uh when i say on ground you know the terrain well um how do you mean explain that
00:04:22to us what you mean by
00:04:23in there's nothing to showcase uh the glory of
00:04:27airboying mean the salt
00:04:31mean, mean
00:04:32of APC, APC as a party naturally, yes, may
00:04:36have may have good, may have good policies
00:04:38of and of possibly manifestos, but it has not been able to
00:04:42drop on the ground,
00:04:44of because the the there is no policy
00:04:48of in a boy that is gear towards the manifest of any
00:04:52of the political parties,
00:04:53in either of APC or PDP, it's
00:04:56of a loan,
00:04:57in uh, a desert or wilderness arrangement. where
00:05:01the executive there think that the sun rises and set in the
00:05:05bunny, imagine four years, we almost completing four years
00:05:08and there's no, there's no project with all
00:05:12the increment in federal allocations, which the whole world is
00:05:16aware that Nigerian governors are receiving money that
00:05:19are in 10, 100 times more than
00:05:23multitudes, multitudes are what they used to get before,
00:05:27yes, and the masses are the environment alone
00:05:31does not replicate a state, it now replicates more of a glorified state,
00:05:35in the last five, six, seven years when the minister the
00:05:38federal of works was governor, i have served all the governors
00:05:42and
00:05:42I have served three governors, so I'm the position to tell you that things are not
00:05:46moving, people are being like coassed now
00:05:50to be a party and is either you in that
00:05:53party or you're enemy the state, and that does not
00:05:57present the image of APC well, the
00:06:01remaining months in this pen, nothing can be
00:06:04achieved, if anything can be achieved, let them come to the studio
00:06:08here and showcase where it is, it is all more of this
00:06:12white elephant, commencement of high, that's what the present was
00:06:16talking of multiple flyover that have
00:06:20no beering on the life the people, sometimes you don't even know how it was
00:06:23conceived, you don't see a contractor as side, you don't see simples
00:06:27the contractor, you just see people there carrying these
00:06:31throws up and down in the name of building fly over here and there, this
00:06:34those things are not supposed to and not projects that have
00:06:38a direct bearing on the life the ordinary niger.
00:06:43and this is a challenging period, anything that the government does
00:06:46now that does not have direct bearing on the life the ordinary
00:06:50person does not only work against the people, he works against the
00:06:54government, he works against the manif the manifesto the party, when
00:06:58you look at the state, the governor there is not of
00:07:01APC, but APC can't even challenge him because
00:07:05they know the man is representing leadership, so you don't you
00:07:09do try an error in leadership where the life of people are involved, where
00:07:13the taxpers money is involved, money is shared every 30 days in
00:07:17Abuja, taking home, but when you get home you can't see it on the
00:07:20road, you can't see water, you can't see schools, you can't see
00:07:24hospitals, everything is showman business, all right, and with
00:07:28crisis, okay, and at the as we approach the
00:07:32election period, what you now see is is creation of
00:07:35terrorist s here and there to attack opposition,
00:07:39in the name of you must belong to this party, that is not what the president
00:07:43i know who was the one opposition
00:07:47party? yes sir, um, but as for
00:07:50the attack you know from opposition as you have put it,
00:07:54um, in fact is, I wanted to ask you to give us very brief history of
00:07:58how
00:07:59you know a former PDP state become an APC
00:08:02state, it it was formerly a PDP state, you were telling us, but
00:08:06right now I think viewers that are watching this would have picked up on the fact
00:08:10if they missed it earlier that
00:08:12you are clearly you know in opposition, which is your right
00:08:16to be, you know, um, but I was
00:08:20just uh, wondering, what, what you, what you
00:08:24think, for instance, okay, who's
00:08:26the APC, who's
00:08:26the PDP candidate, the PT
00:08:30candidate is um,
00:08:33also businessman
00:08:37a business
00:08:40model, was also the former candidate. of PDP in the last
00:08:44election, but I'm not even uncoring my my
00:08:47argument because the candidate of
00:08:51PDP, I'm anchoring my argument
00:08:54because the the state is komatos and recently
00:08:58the evolution of crisis, the
00:09:01you know one things you don't do to people is to push them to the wall,
00:09:04you can't beat a child and expecting not to cry, you
00:09:08received money in billions for up to three years and...
00:09:13and nobody is not affecting the life of anybody, you
00:09:16demolish houses that
00:09:18you want to build flyovers at the middle the town, lot of people
00:09:22have have met the ancestors because of
00:09:25frustration and depression, out the
00:09:28reckless abandon the government, a government that
00:09:32offer up to 400 contrast at exception, have lot
00:09:36of manifesto that is known as the they call
00:09:40it um,
00:09:43what call this manifesto uh none of those things that is
00:09:47enlisted the manifesto was achieved, none the contracts that
00:09:50kilometer state have not been completed in
00:09:54and
00:09:55in fact recently
00:09:55they were revoked in three years kilometer rules that we awarded
00:09:59to the houses of traditional rulers and
00:10:02subcommunities were abandoned, people were
00:10:05mobilized, due process is not taking care of, it's a
00:10:09matter of just executive brandry and particular
00:10:12attitude that tends to see the state as a
00:10:16banana state, not banana republic, it's not about even the party,
00:10:20if somebody in APC is doing well, you may not have the power
00:10:24or the... themerity to come and become
00:10:28um attackful, but for you to make the people to watch you
00:10:31for the years and there's nothing to show them as result
00:10:35the federal allocations that arrived, but you
00:10:39when you come the state you will not believe is a part of nigerian state,
00:10:43he's now one the most backward states, as I told you under the present
00:10:47minister of works, for example look
00:10:51at the activities the minister of works, is the APC. you
00:10:55can't actually criticize the minister now because he's delivering on his
00:10:58mandate, whether you like him or not, he's delivering, look at what
00:11:02is the minister, the minister is also a former
00:11:04governor, he a former governor, but look at what he's doing
00:11:08APC, he's he's delivering on roads, both
00:11:11PDP, APC, labor is proud of him, it's not
00:11:15issue of part, it's issue of failure,
00:11:19colossal failure, lack of direction and vision as a
00:11:22leader does not just mean because but and also if
00:11:26when a leader begins to be the wonder is trying to create
00:11:30crisis in his own domain remember
00:11:34it is not an as i'm talking to you that was crisis
00:11:37people were attacked yesterday people attacked before yesterday people attacked
00:11:41every day you can't gather anywhere me and it's not that if those is the
00:11:45attacking are helpless they are just they just want
00:11:49to be lawful in their
00:11:52attitude because the moment they begin to
00:11:55have reprisal attacks, you will not see that the state is no more in
00:11:59other, it will not be federal concern, for strated
00:12:03people can now go into the bush and become kidnappers, attacks will rise here
00:12:07and there, and is all about disturbing democracy, because if
00:12:11you performed the people will be happy, let tell you
00:12:15something, if you go to some schools and
00:12:17hospitals, majority them in the state, you
00:12:21understand that there is no sincere execution, of
00:12:25project is all th the once you see being done is done as window
00:12:29dressing just to paint picture that we are doing well okay when
00:12:33you look at
00:12:38that we don't have someone from you know the government
00:12:42side a boing to who would have the right of i challeng them i challenge them
00:12:45i challenge them to here or anywhere you
00:12:49did yeah they can't even if they come
00:12:53and we ask them to provide address of any project that was done in four
00:12:57years in state where it is located
00:12:59commissioned why you see them running her skater now is
00:13:03because the the challenge has come we are in election year how
00:13:07can a state not complete 2 km roads in three years which is what you're
00:13:11saying that's why i wish unfortunately i wish
00:13:15and this has happened once before i think we're going to have to work on this it's
00:13:18better to have
00:13:20you know somebody for the other side because right now nobody would buy
00:13:24the state for uh the way you have presented
00:13:27it, but again this is your viewpoint
00:13:31and you are in opposition, so not too many people are going to be
00:13:35surprised at that. um, how therefore, in the
00:13:39light of what your disposition is to this particular
00:13:42topic and conversation, how therefore do you expect the election to
00:13:46go, because um, governor, what,
00:13:50what, what you are saying, you see as if is going
00:13:53to be is going to be seeking. is going to be looking for his second term, not
00:13:57so, that is
00:14:00exactly what is the problem and the cross
00:14:04the matter right now, how is that? yes, explain to me how it's a problem that
00:14:08the sitting governor wants a second term,
00:14:12yes, you when you perform, you don't need to embark
00:14:16on home bread violence to prove that
00:14:20performance and argument to come back is
00:14:24when you tender port card, everybody if you
00:14:27available to see what you've done, and you
00:14:31don't just anchor your performance on the
00:14:34ground that you have done one thing in three years, the
00:14:38people on ground in a bunny, i founding finding life
00:14:42very difficult, not because they are not working
00:14:45hard, but because the environment did not give
00:14:49them the the the
00:15:02there's a mass exhators of investors out the state, there is
00:15:05capital flight, almost
00:15:0890% the project in a bunny is
00:15:12done through incompetent direct
00:15:16labor, you cannot see any contrac side a boy that
00:15:20has cip the contractor's name or
00:15:23date of completion. or money, money, how much it was
00:15:27awarded? people have been enduring, and it's not
00:15:30because of political parties that you not subject people to this kind
00:15:34of of emotional torture.
00:15:38political torture, okay, because once somebody is losing hope in the
00:15:41system, it least emotional torture, you see, i will praise any
00:15:45APC man doing well, i will prs any APC
00:15:49man, i don't incline more to political party, inclim
00:15:53more to performance, okay, and the governor knows
00:15:57that by arrival of candidate to contest with him have throw him off
00:16:00balance, he has been, they have become cantacarous, they are going
00:16:04about destroying PDP um anywhere PDP
00:16:08is meeting, you go and vandalize the place, you see that you call
00:16:12the one name, it is a way of painting the nation
00:16:16black, we have left the level, tell me, tell me something sir, tell
00:16:20me something, thank you very much, and it's very, very important to be
00:16:23hearing this viewpoint from the opposition, you've just finished you
00:16:27thinking the merits of opposition to any political uh system,
00:16:31um, very briefly, how did you
00:16:34know, how how did your um, how did
00:16:38become an APC state from being a PDP
00:16:42state eboy was never an ap state,
00:16:46it is through the instrumentality the former governor who is now the
00:16:50minister of works when it was
00:16:53pertinent that the but you
00:16:57nigerian system you say you want to join the national
00:17:00grade national greed in politics is joining the
00:17:04ruling party and the governor sorted with some the
00:17:08leaders the PDP and said I am leaving
00:17:12PDP to join APC, they benefit
00:17:15more by joining
00:17:18APC, so when he when he evicted
00:17:22himself or when he left the party, he left
00:17:26PDP to join APC, everybody in the
00:17:29party joined him, you can see
00:17:32that one the one the arguments during the
00:17:35election. or was
00:17:38that most the candidates the party did not leave
00:17:42PDP, so
00:17:44became APC by
00:17:48chance, and in to be frank
00:17:51with you, this is the first time a boy man is
00:17:55becoming a minister of national notes, that means that there
00:17:59may have been reason joining APC or what
00:18:03the person that envisaged the saw and joined, but
00:18:12what
00:18:12do you call
00:18:12the dividend now is going backward, you cannot
00:18:16come and say that the present
00:18:20APC we had have now resembles the one that the minister of
00:18:24works was before being appointed, the
00:18:28one we have now is lacadesical representation of
00:18:32APC, it is an APC that put the
00:18:36state in commatos. we were wish that it was APC
00:18:39that was left behind, this APC have no policy
00:18:43direction, full of political
00:18:53where you, for example, you mapped out two billion that you
00:18:57want empower a bnya, because nigeriate is one the
00:19:00states that have the highest number of hors in the streets of
00:19:04Legos, Portsakot, Enugu.
00:19:07kaduna and cano, we have the greatest number
00:19:11of hackers who are mostly school drop out
00:19:15and one the first project was to bring these huckers
00:19:19home, reitegrate them and f
00:19:23them and you say you mapped out two
00:19:26billion and it was actually mapped out to this
00:19:29hour, no evidence of
00:19:33who and who got the money 2
00:19:36billion? and and so that
00:19:38policy and so that policy of trying to bring
00:19:41back you know the money was released,
00:19:45but it was released, but you are saying
00:19:49you don't know where it went, it was released, it was released
00:19:53to them the commissioner, the story went the s
00:20:33much about state, except through the
00:20:37many.
00:20:41yes and the track record of
00:20:44d mahi was the one that brought
00:20:48out that? used to be very quiet
00:20:51state and I i'm sure
00:20:54it was through his performance
00:20:57that the state became
00:20:59noticeable so and the
00:21:03governor or that for governor has come to
00:21:06the l light as a you
00:21:10know as a miracle in terms of works
00:21:13ministry that man is amazing is a gift to
00:21:17Nigeria and I every time one
00:21:21is thankful about having such people, because
00:21:24he is a r peg
00:21:26a round hole, he fits very well into
00:21:30that works ministry, knowing exactly what he's
00:21:34doing, you see for your guest, i would
00:21:37say on that assessment, i have issues with what he
00:21:41is saying, because they
00:21:45might also the governor, the present
00:21:48governor, to become governor, so I'm
00:21:52sure he is a godfather to the man,
00:21:56so and I would expect that devil my will be performing
00:22:00wonders at the national level and allow his state to go
00:22:04komatos, so I have issues
00:22:07with his submission on that,
00:22:11I was listening and I felt, okay, as he said,
00:22:15if he's not being partitioned then he will be
00:22:18objective. but that objectivity became defeated when
00:22:22he said in four years that they have not done 2
00:22:26kilometers of road, then I knew that is a
00:22:29spoiler,
00:22:30you know, yeah, in f years, is actually barely three
00:22:34years or so, let's say in some couple of months, it will be
00:22:38four years, but you are now saying
00:22:42of road, that's scandalous, the years, the years,
00:22:45extremely scandalous, scandalous especially
00:22:49with the... governors are pulling strings and at some other
00:22:53points he is talking about uh maybe the man is
00:22:57not uh is not providing
00:23:00projects that are impacting on the lives the people, if he saying
00:23:04that I would have listened to that, but he went across border and now
00:23:08said he he he justified that abier state
00:23:12is performing wonders
00:23:14but is nowhere to
00:23:17go, this man is being partition. again is a
00:23:21formal leader in that state, that's right, let tell
00:23:24you, any leader, anyone who has
00:23:27been a leader before that comes to the platform or
00:23:31to the public and start criticizing the present
00:23:35leader and claiming that they have not performed well, that
00:23:38person should be, anybody should suspect the
00:23:41person right, anyone should suspect that
00:23:45person, because leadership is if you
00:23:48have done one has done
00:23:50your own time, the failure of this man will not be so
00:23:53bliring, whatever you have done if indeed if indeed
00:23:57there has been failure, if indeed there has been a
00:24:01failure, yeah, if you
00:24:04if you not a failure,
00:24:05the present
00:24:05one will not be a failure, so they should moderate their
00:24:09talk and take collective responsibility, thank
00:24:28but the matter speaks for itself, the matter speaks for
00:24:32itself, it is not a matter
00:24:35of propaganda, is not is the
00:24:39the the the the it is open, it's not something that
00:24:42you when i said for four years, this is getting to four years
00:24:46now that we have been having good.
00:24:53good flowing development, but he was one the most rising states in
00:24:57Nigeria, I work with the former governor and the project that
00:25:01we was part of it, and I'm the one on ground to tell you
00:25:04that for the past four years it is on
00:25:08record, it can be goggled, goggle
00:25:12revocation of contracts
00:25:13a bony, gogle will show you and ask why was it revoked, it
00:25:17is not prop, it's not even politics.
00:25:20it is that
00:25:21the policy the government does not look like
00:25:25what we are witnessing in other states
00:25:28or even at the federal level, the
00:25:31government there is lakadsical
00:25:35about the the the welfare
00:25:38the people on ground,
00:25:42you know leadership, we must have a that what is the what is say called charter
00:25:46of needs a but today you cannot wake up
00:25:50and to any state government hospital and say that
00:25:54you're going to receive treatment
00:25:57on on 24 hours basis whatever is being
00:26:00done is not something. that i will now say
00:26:03it here
00:26:17that is relevant to this kind of topic so how do you expect the elections
00:26:21to go um the incumbent governor uh
00:26:24governor francis uh he's you know representing
00:26:28himself for second term so what do you expect you?
00:26:32told me the name the PDP uh candidate, so what do
00:26:36you expect come the election? what's what
00:26:40what we're expecting is, you know, one, we talk
00:26:43of not
00:26:46causing commotion in the system, okay, that
00:26:50will trigger restiveness or violence and
00:26:53allowing free and fair election, because a
00:26:57homemade
00:26:58a home bread violence, as I'm telling you that for the past one week
00:27:02now, "it has been if you are on ground and you
00:27:05have performed, you don't need to fight physically with the
00:27:09opposition, you just showcase your score card, like the last speaker
00:27:13said, if he has, if he's sympathizing with
00:27:17them for any reason, he should ask them to show
00:27:21showcase a scorecard that resembles the amount of money
00:27:25that was received by the state in the past three years, it doesn't
00:27:28even go close, don't even mean that is underproved."
00:27:32like what is the state the water supply? what is the
00:27:36state the health sector? is the
00:27:38what the state primary health sector or
00:27:41schools? apart from those ones, why initiate
00:27:45violence if you know you're on ground?
00:27:47what is the impression? thank you very much sir,
00:27:51we've completely run out of time on this particular subject matter, but
00:27:55um these where you ended, i indeed the things we shall be you
00:27:59know asking
00:28:00you know the you know the... official, the government official,
00:28:04if not the governor himself, that comes up, how would you respond to
00:28:08this that opposition has told us is the
00:28:33um, we look at another subject, um, the president intervening in the
00:28:36EFCC action, uh, that's right up here uh, when we
00:28:40come
00:28:40back.
00:29:25move over to um, the
00:29:29oshon election coming up, and of course the big news. from here
00:29:33is that the EFCC has frozen an
00:29:36account, well clearly one the most important
00:29:40accounts, but uh, I've been hearing that, well, nevertheless,
00:29:44citizens of Ashun have been paid their salary, so it maybe it wasn't the
00:29:48salary account, but long story short,
00:29:51president has intervened in the matter and has
00:29:54asked the EFCC to return to court where
00:29:58presumably he they got the order from empowering them
00:30:02so... do uh, but the president has now said, well
00:30:04go back to the supreme, go back to that court and vacate
00:30:08that order please, because there's no way
00:30:12um, given the time lag between now and the
00:30:16election that this will not
00:30:18you know be seen as a problem for them, so
00:30:21effectively the president said maah node,
00:30:25i don't know anything about this, but he never said
00:30:29those words, but that would what is action would seem to... said and he has
00:30:33said that this should be uh revoked. okay, Mr.
00:30:36jam, director strategic communications in
00:30:40mole campaign
00:30:53tell me your reaction when you heard the news that the president had
00:30:57intervened and had said that matters must be returned to the status