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00:03:00Welcome back, it's politics on Sunday, as
00:03:04Nigeria's political forces really ahead
00:03:07of the 2027 Politics on Sunday
00:03:10of interrogates of the alliances, ambitions and power struggles
00:03:14shaping the race for the presidency. Today, the spotlight is
00:03:18on Json wickets rainbow
00:03:20in coalition,
00:03:21a cross party political movement built around President
00:03:25of Bolatinobus reelection. For its supporters, the coalition expands
00:03:29their president's electoral reach drawing
00:03:33influential politicians and opposition voters into his
00:03:36camp, but APC governors see a different
00:03:40danger, a parallel structure that would weaken the ruling
00:03:44party, undermine its candidates and create competing
00:03:47centers of power within Tinobu's campaign. Wik
00:03:51insists his commitment is to the
00:03:54president, not necessarily to every APC
00:03:58candidates. The governors however argue that Tinobu
00:04:02cannot
00:04:03of secure reelection by strengthening allies who may work
00:04:07against the
00:04:08of party beneath him,
00:04:09of so is wik bringing President Tinoble's votes the
00:04:13ABC cannot secure its own or building a political
00:04:17machine that could fracture the president's strongest
00:04:21electoral structure, can President Tinov accommodate both
00:04:25me camps without allowing their rivalry to become a
00:04:28threat to reelection. my guest is member
00:04:32of the house of representative from kanosit, honorable
00:04:36abdul, how
00:04:38are you sir? i'm fine, i'm fine, and you very
00:04:41well, so let's just quickly listen
00:04:44in to what the chairman
00:04:45of the governor forum, PDP progressive governor forum, said about this
00:04:49rainbow coalition, the forum
00:04:53unanimously
00:04:54of resolved the east members will not participate
00:04:57in support. or endorse
00:05:01any alliance or political arrangement
00:05:05of capable of undermining the re-election of Mr. President,
00:05:08weakening the APC or adversely affecting
00:05:12any candidate the party at all level, in other
00:05:16words, the forum have no intention to support any
00:05:20candidate any level that is not an APC
00:05:23candidate, because the elections and our candidates are
00:05:27standing election as being sponsored by our
00:05:30party.
00:05:34okay, honorable, let's look at the pushback by the
00:05:38APC governors against the r coalition of.
00:05:42"this is like novel, this is the first time I'm seen this kind of coalition, this is not a
00:05:46marger, this is not an alliance, but something that is
00:05:50maybe within the south south part of Nigeria, and it's
00:05:53now snowballing into other parts of Nigeria, we've seen that some
00:05:57agrieved members the APC, of APC
00:06:01particularly, they are now gravitating or they've gravitated
00:06:05towards the wicky tendency of Rible coalition, and
00:06:08it's like a sanctuary to them
00:06:12that a win..." win for b, but two weeks after that we are meant to
00:06:16have the governorship election, it might have kind of
00:06:20backlash against these governors, please explain this coalition to
00:06:23me, well, i believe as
00:06:27you've mentioned, first let me make
00:06:31it very clear, i'm not against the
00:06:35governors, hold them in high
00:06:39esteim, a couple them are my friends.
00:06:43uh and particularly my own governor, we have very, very
00:06:47good uh relationship, but the for me, as I
00:06:51have repeatedly said, anything that I
00:06:55discover that can affect uh the
00:06:58path to the victory the president, I will always make
00:07:02my intervention without minding whose is God
00:07:06uh, for me the rainbow callation has
00:07:10no any negative... negative effects
00:07:14on the president, on the president, on one
00:07:17hand, not the governors, on the other hand, on
00:07:21the governors, if they perceive
00:07:25that the rainbow collation will affect them, what you need to
00:07:29do is to negotiate with Wiki. I tell you
00:07:33something, for the governors to say it might
00:07:37affect them in the election after two
00:07:40weeks, it means that the... recognizing the fact that wik is
00:07:43strong, wik is very strong. so in
00:07:47politics, if you have somebody and you're conceding that
00:07:51this person has the capacity even produce members the house of representatives
00:07:55if the rainbow coalition goes ahead and even affects the
00:07:59governorship election. so what do you do? is it to
00:08:03fight him or is it to negotiate with him? and this man
00:08:07everybody knows him, as tough as he is, he's a
00:08:11deal maker. so I do not see why
00:08:15the i i want to choose my words
00:08:18carefully, but I believe that uh the governors were too
00:08:22hard uh, the the
00:08:26modus operanty shouldn't have been
00:08:27like that, they should have been conversation behind
00:08:31the scene, this is point where we need more
00:08:35Wiki, I tell you something, do you know that if
00:08:39Wiki were not to be working with APC
00:08:42today, he would have been able to form the same rainbow coalition for
00:08:46the opposition, so the opposition today, what they
00:08:50are missing, their missing link is a wiki, so it's not all
00:08:54the time you have a wiki, and keep telling people, we
00:08:58need more weak case in APC, but this
00:09:02are trying to say is either you are in or you're out that you are not a member of
00:09:06APC, well what's the meaning of rainbow coalition,
00:09:09well anybody this first time we having such a...
00:09:13anybody, anybody who holds that kind of
00:09:16opinion, I do not think he has a complete interest
00:09:20the president at heart, because
00:09:24I tell you this, if
00:09:27today you asked me that
00:09:30should we come into APC, I would say no, because
00:09:34because APC needs him better outside than inside
00:09:38APC, to be destroyer parties.
00:09:42you can't call him a destroyer, politics is about the roof, politics is
00:09:46about interest, you can use any kind of language, but I do not
00:09:50agree with it, politics is about interest and his
00:09:54interest was affected, and he believes that his interest will be prof
00:09:57would will be prot, will be protected or better served,
00:10:01working in alliance, he is just walking in alliance
00:10:05with apc, but for people who are fighting him, we look at him
00:10:09as a as destroyer. or all if they have an
00:10:13edge they would have done the same thing to uh to him, so
00:10:17I believe that uh Wiki is somebody you can
00:10:20manage, you understand his kind of a person, he's not a
00:10:24person that you... will slap, he will slap him and you expect that he will not
00:10:28retaliate, and by the time you slap somebody, you cannot tell him
00:10:31how he should uh respond, i don't want to
00:10:35go into the exchange that they've had, but i want
00:10:38to focus, looking beyond you
00:10:42know beyond river states, yes that look
00:10:46this thing is now taking to some part some
00:10:50some part the north, some part of north central than the governor, the chairman
00:10:54of governor forum. complaining bitterly that you are interfering
00:10:57into my interp party problem. isn't that
00:11:01telling you how sophisticated week is
00:11:05and the need to have a conversation with with
00:11:09him. the people who make office and the people who
00:11:13office makes them. the president has proven he's one of such
00:11:17persons that it is not an office that makes him. so president, whether
00:11:21he's in office or he's not in office, he maintains his relevance. that's how people like:
00:11:25Wiki uh, if the governors are saying that Wiki has set up
00:11:29something that is becoming like a wild fire,
00:11:33shows that the man is is strong, is sophisticated, so
00:11:37what you need to do, most especially that he is working with your
00:11:41party is for us to go into discussions with
00:11:44him, and if if they are not able to reach some
00:11:48kind of understanding at individual level of various states,
00:11:52then they can employ the... the service the
00:11:56president to come in and broker and broker peace, but I
00:11:59believe that individual states can
00:12:03have a conversation, but if you look at it from the point of view of saying
00:12:07I'm too big to sit with wiki or who is wiki for me to
00:12:11sit with and have a conv, I think it's a wrong approach, the bigger thing that we
00:12:15want, the bigger pie is the presidential uh
00:12:18election, so for me the priority is the
00:12:22president, we also want the governors, we also want the national assembly uh
00:12:25members, but yeah, my
00:12:29my, the issue is that uh, the
00:12:33governor was saying they cannot defeat wik's
00:12:35candidates, let's go, first election, we will win our
00:12:39election, win the president election, second election, defeat wik's
00:12:43candidate if he is not strong, but if you believe that wik is strong, my
00:12:47advise is that negotiate with wiki, i
00:12:51had somebody a situation institution. one
00:12:55point, just one point, i had somebody said, no, no, no, no, wik is doing the rainbow
00:12:59collation uh because of
00:13:0120 31 and
00:13:05whatsoever, what is wrong in having an ambition, but wiki has
00:13:08made it clear that i have, even if i'm going to have ambition,
00:13:12will be whenever tinibu leaves
00:13:16power, so what is wrong? so i believe the man has
00:13:20given, given, given, given to APC, if he
00:13:24decides to hold some. for himself, i believe that what we need to do
00:13:27as a party APC is to sit with Wiki and have a
00:13:31conversation with him and see how we will be able to
00:13:34manage everything that uh uh is going on, but I believe that
00:13:38we need the rainbow coalition, if you know what is happening at the
00:13:42level of every state, the governors are doing their
00:13:46best, particularly we in Kano our governor is doing extremely well,
00:13:50that's why you're hearing we are not having problem of
00:13:52rainbow.
00:13:56and and the rest, but if in case the issue
00:14:00of rainbow collision comes up in Kanu, I will advise my governor that
00:14:04let's have a conversation with Wiki, because he
00:14:07has a firm grip over that, one last thing I
00:14:11wanted to say is that the governors should
00:14:15also thank wiki, yes, do you know
00:14:19that if Wiki hadn't played the role
00:14:23he played coming into? men of national
00:14:26unity, the rallying point the opposition would have been
00:14:30PDP, there would have been heavy fireworks by now in every
00:14:34state, so that is why I made a statement few days ago and
00:14:38I said no member, and I repeated the
00:14:41statement, no member of APC that has not directly or
00:14:45indirectly benefited from Wiki, a couple of governors who are
00:14:49my friends called me that why will you make that statement withdraw it, I said, look, let me
00:14:53prove it to you, wik help to get the
00:14:56presidency, today we're getting allocations in states and
00:15:00everything and the rest even after the elections, do you know
00:15:04the role that wiki has played to help the government till date
00:15:08a lot addition to his performance in fc? okay, as we are
00:15:11reaching looking at the alliance between
00:15:15the the last minute talk between NDC
00:15:19and the ADC and some other opposition party SDP that
00:15:23if this works that this might be a big problem for
00:15:27the APC that if one the big
00:15:30two article or be decide to step down
00:15:34and work together. Yeah, I always like
00:15:38to go to war with uh multiple
00:15:41bullets, so and for APC and for the president
00:15:45in particular, I know that we have a plan a, plan
00:15:49b, plan c, plan. In fact in the case the president, he
00:15:53has a plan A to plan z, that is how President
00:15:57Tinibu operates. Now, let's
00:16:01take it for granted. I personally, if you ask me
00:16:05to do an analysis, I will tell you that
00:16:07it is practically impossible for them to come together because I know the
00:16:10mindset of some the principal actors, I'm quite
00:16:14close with
00:16:16a couple with a couple of uh with a couple of uh with a couple them
00:16:20uh, but secondly take it assuming, but
00:16:24not considering that they will come uh together, they will still not be
00:16:28able to defeat president uh, I tell you this, but they
00:16:32even be able to come together, that's it, they can't, you can see it very clearly, it's not
00:16:35possible.
00:16:37to come together makes it more difficult, absolutely,
00:16:41very, very, very difficult, and they've lost the mallege of
00:16:45time, they lost so much along ah along the
00:16:49way, let's look at s,
00:16:51and you see, I keep saying it, one key person that is
00:16:55missing in the opposition is somebody like Wiki, and you
00:16:59don't have the, you don't have plenty them, people need to understand this,
00:17:02everybody has the kind of blessing that God has given him, the qualities that God has given
00:17:06him, you will not have plenty of Wiki. I put
00:17:10a bet with you that if Wicky were to be in the opposition, they would
00:17:14have been a rainbow coalition, so we should thank God that
00:17:18today we have a wiki who is having a rainbow collation and is
00:17:22working with, so did not dis. I'm pleading
00:17:25to them, you know the governors are, they are my fathers, they are my
00:17:29senior brothers, even though some them are my friends, we respect
00:17:33them, we love them so much, they're doing a lot of work that we're using.
00:17:37now to campaign for themselves and to campaign for the president, but what i'm
00:17:41telling the governors is that don't fight weak, we need
00:17:45more wiki, negotiate with wiki, don't go public to
00:17:49embarrass wiki, it's not necessary, if you say wiki can cause
00:17:53you to lose certain things, it means
00:17:55is strong, so what you need to do is to have a conversation with
00:17:59him, what do you want him to do, please just tell me what
00:18:03okay you this
00:18:04want kind to of do, situation now the president is like a catch. for the
00:18:07president that both them, how
00:18:11can the president interven in this kind of situation since the governor's forum, they
00:18:15are together saying that no, we don't recognize this coalition,
00:18:19for me it's a very, very simple matter, i don't know the mindset
00:18:23the president, but i have dealt with him extensively from
00:18:26closer range, but i wouldn't want to say what i
00:18:30will tell the president, because i intend to also have this conversation with with the
00:18:34president, but but again just just to give you a bit of a...
00:18:38team, i i if i am the president, let me rather say if i am the
00:18:41president, not necessary,
00:18:46them what i will tell the president, if i am the president, i'll bring all on, i'll bring all them on on
00:18:49on board and have a conversation, and uh,
00:18:53read the right act, no more public uh exchange
00:18:57if you have any fear, come and have the
00:19:01those com governors
00:19:02took first, on it took on those governors first, it took on the
00:19:05governor and it took on the... post governor in his media chats
00:19:09uh, you see, i don't want to go into and those
00:19:12guys, might be sort to might be, i don't
00:19:16want
00:19:16to go into deeper, deeper issues, but
00:19:20you also know that there are certain personalities that have
00:19:23issues with themselves and uh they could use
00:19:27any platform to foster their own
00:19:31interest, now i'm not talking about either wiki or anybody address, but they have
00:19:35their issues, but another dangerous thing that ' we need to also understand
00:19:38and give week credit, people are looking at the negative side, they are not looking
00:19:42at the positive uh side, the positive side is
00:19:45that in some these states where you have with the exception of
00:19:49places like canu legos where you do not have, you have the
00:19:52governors uh without people protesting and and and
00:19:56the rest where you have people who disagree with the governors
00:19:59and they were seated quietly, believe as a politician i know what
00:20:03they will do, they will work against the party in totality, so what...
00:20:07wik has done, he has provided a platform for
00:20:11them, and because they love the president, they've jumped on those
00:20:14platform, look, okay, if the governors are talking,
00:20:18why are all those candidates that are joining wiki rainbow collation, why didn't
00:20:22they go to NDC or ADC, they are interested
00:20:26in uh, they only have their own
00:20:29issues with internal issues with the governors, so
00:20:33and that is why I said the smartest things for the governors to do is
00:20:37to... go into negotiation with
00:20:40uh with with with Wiki. This is not the time to
00:20:44embarrass Wiki, the PDP will never
00:20:48agree on this. PDP will not agree, but I will tell you
00:20:51something, if we should rewind
00:20:54time, believe me, PDP would have given wicky vice
00:20:58presidential slot, and we are in that kind of this kind of
00:21:02problem, yes and it is this kind of period that we are,
00:21:06the same kind of period, and I was telling somebody, I i don't
00:21:10think wiki is god, wick is not aby god,
00:21:12it's not, it's not, it's an ordinary human being, but I was saying, I was telling somebody
00:21:16that if you push Wiki to the wall at this time, and the
00:21:20man gets angry and frustrated and decide to go for the brokes that
00:21:24look, whatever it is, look, if you want to push me down, let me just
00:21:28go down and decide to scatter
00:21:32everything, carry the rainbow collation to somewhere else, what will you
00:21:35say, what will you say, and i want to tell you
00:21:39this, believe me, and i have said it before man and
00:21:42god, i don't no week, i'm only
00:21:46doing a genuine intervention for the part, for the party and for the...
00:21:50person that i love so much, i want him to win his election and he's going
00:21:54to win his his election, i have met Wiki only twice in my
00:21:58life was we met, we went with
00:22:02the chief of when he campaigning for speakership,
00:22:05we met him in rivers, the second after the 2003 election in the house
00:22:09the speaker chief of staff again we met
00:22:13accidentally just hello hello, if
00:22:16wik if i see him i know he's wicky, but believe me
00:22:20between man and god, i have no
00:22:24relationship whatsoever with wiki,
00:22:28it is just something
00:22:29that i know, i've been around for a while and i understand this kind of
00:22:32delicate situation, the chang in 2027,
00:22:36between 2023 to 2027, lot of people will tell you that
00:22:40look, the northerners that they are not happy with b, i
00:22:44don't, you are from kano, your constituents, yeah, i don't know what's
00:22:48the feedback they are giving you about government and the presidency of
00:22:52bolatinable, i've answered this question
00:22:55repeatedly, repeatedly and i will answer it again, the problem
00:22:59we had at the beginning was communication
00:23:02gap, some people successfully black
00:23:06mailed the president extensively in the north, it
00:23:10was case of blackmail, the president
00:23:13was working for the north, but there was communication
00:23:17gap, nobody knew, the president appointed
00:23:21so many northerners until when we brought out and started making the
00:23:24comparison ring out all the appointments that
00:23:27he is given to northerns and
00:23:28the rest many people do not know then people are
00:23:31supposed to read out history to people how much
00:23:35sacrifice the president had made to northern us
00:23:39before northerners even rally around him all these
00:23:42issues we're not being put forward to our people because of time
00:23:46factor i will not be able to go into that details but what i'm assuring is
00:23:50that now people are being told they know
00:23:54what is going on in power, what he's done in Daana, what he's
00:23:57done in Bichi, he's completed Kaduna, he's completed Kaduna
00:24:01kado road, abuja kaduna is about been
00:24:05completed, this is it's going a
00:24:09lot of work going on
00:24:10agricultural sector, he's
00:24:14working so hard to resolve the mambia, so
00:24:17many things are going on.
00:24:21for for the north in terms of appointment we've taken time to explain
00:24:25the balance they have south have
00:24:28finance so many
00:24:30things lot of people
00:24:33say the uh
00:24:37choosing your former
00:24:40godfathero as is
00:24:43deputy i don't like the word i don't like the word former okay
00:24:47your godfather he is still my godfather? he is still my
00:24:51boss, he is still my er, i love
00:24:54him so much, we only have a
00:24:58this uh agreement over
00:25:01strategic issues of where we should uh head
00:25:05to, that's the only thing otherwise i hold him and will continue
00:25:08to hold him in higher selection by
00:25:12peter will be as his running mates that that is a political
00:25:16masterstroke and that will sway the nots, it will swit his vote,
00:25:19it will... improve his fortune from what he had in
00:25:222023 better in 2027, he's not
00:25:26a ballot kwakwaso, he's not in the ballot,
00:25:29kwakwaso is on the ballot, he's not on the ballot,
00:25:32he's a ko tickets,
00:25:35as far as we are concerned, it's a Peter OB, it's
00:25:39a Peter OB, is not on the b, it's a
00:25:41presidential, it's a presidential candidate, and we've
00:25:45always thought it is going to be a presidential
00:25:49candidate. so what we are saying
00:25:51is like just a rubber in my in my wildest dream
00:25:54i i've never spoken about koso and i don't like talking about
00:25:58it for the respect i have for
00:26:01him tell
00:26:02let you something, but for the first time let me just say one thing, just one little
00:26:06thing, one of my biggest shock was
00:26:10accepting to
00:26:11run as deputy, deputy to ob knowing
00:26:15fully the conversations that we've had with him
00:26:18about uh that, but but
00:26:21again, about him
00:26:24again, about him
00:26:26agreeing,
00:26:28i want us to break it down,
00:26:32you're such a journalist, you are trying to drag
00:26:36me to say what he said, but that's not the point that I'm making, I would never
00:26:39say that about what I am saying, we are talking about now,
00:26:43is this difficult, it will it be difficult to sell
00:26:46100, 100%
00:26:50extremely, look at look at the emphasis I made,
00:26:53extremely difficult to market will
00:26:56be in the north, in the north, yes, unfortun,
00:26:59religion, unfortunity, unfortunately.
00:27:03unfortunately Konkoso is not the one on the ballot, if
00:27:06conkoso were to be the presidential candidate and would be the
00:27:10running mate, it would have been, it would have been a
00:27:13dycy situation, it have been a dycy
00:27:16situation, it, but but but
00:27:19being running running mate has made things
00:27:23much more easier, so
00:27:27that's it, and that is why you see these issues that you bring it,
00:27:31that is why Look, APC need
00:27:35to embrace Rainbow Coalition, so for the
00:27:39presidential, do you think people will prefer to follow
00:27:42APC in Karno, because we know the vote of kano will
00:27:46go a long way in deciding so much up north and even affects
00:27:50everything that happens in the south. Do you want to put a bet with
00:27:53me? I want
00:27:55to put a bet with you today. What is today's
00:27:58date? 19th, right? Today is
00:28:0119th. 19 or 20 19 or 20 19
00:28:0519th 20th 20th today today today is 20th
00:28:09sorry i've been traveling to open them so today is
00:28:1220 kan will go APC for the
00:28:16president forget about what you are hearing all the shout you
00:28:20are hearing forget forget what you
00:28:23are here he is not on the ballot so forget forget it he's
00:28:27influential he has support but
00:28:31that miscalculation of not being the presidential
00:28:35candidate and having to ob i don't have
00:28:38problem with ob, but just the
00:28:41reality aha, so it will be difficult, it's a hard
00:28:45sell, it's a hard sell, very, very hard sell, we have to leave it
00:28:49there, honorable abdul, thank you very much, he's the all progressive
00:28:52congress from cano state, and um, we expect
00:28:56the minister of FCT tomorrow, tomorrow is going to
00:29:00be live in on TBC
00:29:14so thank you so much and he's been doing a very good
00:29:16job in Abuja for
00:29:20about 40 years i we came to Abuja when i
00:29:24was 13 so so i know wiki is one the
00:29:28best thing that has happened to aboja but we have that conversation another day thank you
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