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00:00:00secure
00:00:00of reelection by strengthening allies who may work
00:00:04against the
00:00:05of party beneath him,
00:00:06of so is wicked bringing president's votes the
00:00:10APC cannot secure its own or building a political
00:00:14machine that could fracture the president's strongest
00:00:17electoral structure. can President Tinubo accommodate both
00:00:21camps without allowing their rivalry to become a
00:00:25threat to reelection. my guest is member
00:00:29of the house of representative from kanosit, honorable
00:00:32Abdul Jubin Momuni, how are you sir? I'm fine,
00:00:36I'm fine, and you very well, so let's just quickly
00:00:40listen
00:00:41in to what the chairman
00:00:42of the governor's forum, PDP progressive governors forum said about this
00:00:46rainbow coalition, the forum
00:00:50unanimously resolved that its members will not
00:00:53participate in support or
00:00:57endorse any alliance or political
00:01:00arrangement
00:01:02of capable of undermining the reelection of Mr. President,
00:01:05weakening the APC or adversely
00:01:09me affecting any candidate
00:01:10of the party at all level. In other words, the forum
00:01:14have no intention to support any candidate any
00:01:18level that is not an APC candidate, because the
00:01:21elections and our candidates
00:01:24of are standing election as been sponsored by our
00:01:27party.
00:01:31Okay, honorable, let's look at the pushback
00:01:35of by the APC governors against the rainbow coalition of
00:01:38wik, this is like novel, this is the first time I'm seen this kind of coalition,
00:01:42this is not a marria,
00:01:44of this is not
00:01:44of an of alliance, but something that is maybe within the south
00:01:48south part of Nigeria, and it's
00:01:51of now snowballing into other parts of Nigeria, we've seen that some
00:01:54agrieved members
00:01:56of the APC, of APC particularly. they
00:02:00are now
00:02:00of gravitating or they've gravitated towards the wicky tendency of
00:02:04r coalition and is like a sanctuary to them
00:02:08that's a win win for b, but two weeks
00:02:11after that we are meant to have the governorship election, it might have
00:02:15kind
00:02:16of of backlash against this governors, please explain this
00:02:20coalition to me, well i
00:02:23believe as you've mentioned, first
00:02:27let me make it very
00:02:29of clear. uh, I'm not against the
00:02:32of
00:02:32of governors, I hold them in high
00:02:36esteim, a couple
00:02:37of them are my friends
00:02:41of and uh, particularly my own governor, we have very, very good
00:02:45uh relationship, but for me, as I have
00:02:48repeatedly said, anything that I
00:02:52discover that can affect uh, the
00:02:55path to the victory
00:02:57of the president, I will always make my intervention
00:03:00without minding who's ox is
00:03:03of of god uh for me the rainbow coalition has
00:03:07no any negative effective
00:03:11on the president on the president on one
00:03:15of hand not the governors on the other hand on the
00:03:18governors if they perceive that the
00:03:22rainbow callliation will affect them what you need to
00:03:26do is to negotiate with wiki tell you
00:03:30something for the governors to say it might
00:03:34affect them in the election after two
00:03:37weeks, it means that they are recognizing the fact that wike is
00:03:41of strong, wike is very strong, so in
00:03:44politics if you have somebody and you're conceding that
00:03:48this person has the capacity even produce members
00:03:51of the house of representatives if the rainbow coalition goes ahead and
00:03:55even
00:03:55of affects the governorship election, so
00:03:58of what do you do is? is it to fight him or is it to
00:04:02negotiate with him
00:04:03and this man everybody knows him, as tough as he is,
00:04:07he's
00:04:09a a deal maker, so I do not see why the
00:04:13i i want to choose my words carefully, but
00:04:16I believe that uh the governors were too
00:04:20of hard of uh, the the modus operante shouldn't have
00:04:24been like that, they should have been conversation
00:04:26behind uh the the scene. This is
00:04:30point where we need more Wiki. I tell you
00:04:34something, do
00:04:35of you know that if Wiiki were not to be working with
00:04:39APC today, he would have been able to form the same rainbow
00:04:42collation for the opposition. So the opposition
00:04:46today, what they are missing, their missing link is a
00:04:49wiki, so it's not all the time you have a wiki, and I keep
00:04:53telling people, we need more weak case in
00:04:57APC, but this are trying to say. is either you are in or you're
00:05:01out that you are not a member of APC, well what the
00:05:05meaning of rainbow coalition? well, anybody
00:05:07is the first time we having such a funny arrangement?
00:05:10any anybody anybody? "who holds that kind of
00:05:13opinion, I do not think he has a complete interest
00:05:17the president at heart, because
00:05:21I tell you this, if
00:05:24today you ask me that should
00:05:28weak come into APC, I would say no, because because
00:05:32APC needs him better outside than inside
00:05:35APC, to be destroyer, other parties, no, you
00:05:39can't call him a destroyer, politics is about the roof. politics is
00:05:43about interest, you can use any kind of language, but I do not
00:05:47agree with it, politics is about interests and
00:05:51his interest was affected, and he believes that his interest will be pro
00:05:54would be will be will be protected or better served, and was just
00:05:58walking in alliance, he is just walking in
00:06:02alliance with APC, but for people who are fighting him,
00:06:06we look at him as a as destroyer, after all, if
00:06:10they had an edge, they would have done the same thing. to uh to him,
00:06:14so me, I believe that uh, Wiki is somebody you can
00:06:17manage, you understand his kind of a person, he's not a
00:06:21person that you will slap, he will slap him and you expect that he will not
00:06:25retaliate, and by the time you slap somebody, you cannot tell him
00:06:28how he should uh respond, I i don't want to
00:06:32go into the exchange that they've had, but I want to
00:06:35focus are looking beyond,
00:06:39you know, beyond river states, yes. and look,
00:06:43this thing is now taking to some part,
00:06:47some some part
00:06:47the north, some part
00:06:49of north central, than the governor, the chairman of governor's forum is complaining
00:06:52bitterly that you are interfering into my interp
00:06:56party problem, isn't that telling you
00:07:00how sophisticated wike is and the need
00:07:03to have a conversation with with him,
00:07:07the people who make office and the people who office
00:07:10makes them, the president has proven he's one of such persons that it is
00:07:14not an office that makes him, so president, whether he's in office or
00:07:18he's not in office, he maintains his relevance, that's how people like wiki
00:07:22are, if the governors are saying that wiki has set up something that
00:07:26is becoming like a wild fire, it shows that
00:07:30the man is is strong, is sophisticated, so what you need
00:07:34to do, most especially that he is working with your
00:07:38party is for us to go into discussions with
00:07:41him. "and if if they are not able to reach
00:07:45some kind of understanding at individual level of various
00:07:49states, then they can employ the the
00:07:52service the president to come in and broker and broker peace, but I
00:07:56believe that individual states can
00:08:00have a conversation, but if you look at it from the point of view of saying,
00:08:04"I'm too big to sit with Wiki, or who is wiky for me to sit
00:08:08with and have a, I think it's a wrong approach, the bigger thing that we want."
00:08:12that the bigger pie is the presidential uh election,
00:08:16so for me the priority is the president, we also want the
00:08:20governors, we also one national assembly members,
00:08:23but
00:08:25yeah my my the issue
00:08:29is that uh the governor was saying they cannot defeat wik's
00:08:32candidates, let's go, first election, we will win our
00:08:36election, win the president election, second election, defeat with
00:08:40candidate if he's not strong, but if believe that wik is strong, my
00:08:44advice is that negotiate with Wiki.
00:08:48I had somebody, somebody institution, just one
00:08:52point, just one point, I had somebody said, no, no, no, no, Wiki is doing the rainbow
00:08:56collation because of
00:08:5820 31 and
00:09:01whatsoever, what is wrong in having an ambition, but Wiki has
00:09:05made it clear that I have, even if I'm going to have ambition,
00:09:09will be whenever leave. gives
00:09:13power, so what is wrong? so I believe the man has
00:09:17given, given, given, given to APC, if he
00:09:21decides to hold something for himself, I believe that what we need to do
00:09:24as a party APC is to sit with Wiki and have a
00:09:28conversation with him and see how we will be able to
00:09:31manage everything that is going on, but I believe that we
00:09:35need the rainbow collation, if you know what is happening at the level
00:09:39of every states, the governors are...
00:09:53and and the rest, but if in case the issue
00:09:57of rainbow collation comes off in Kanu, I will advise my governor that
00:10:01let's have a conversation with Wiki because he
00:10:04has a firm grip over that. One last thing I
00:10:08wanted to say is that the governor.
00:10:12also thank wiki, thank wiki, yes, do you know
00:10:16that if wiki hadn't played the role he
00:10:20played coming into government of national
00:10:23unity, the... in point the opposition would have been
00:10:27PDP, there would have been heavy fireworks by now in every
00:10:31state, so that is why I made a statement few days ago
00:10:34and I said no member and I repeated the statement,
00:10:38no member of APC that has not directly or
00:10:41indirectly benefited from Wiki. a couple of
00:10:45governors who are my friends called me that why will you make that statement withdraw it, I
00:10:49said look, let me prove it to you, Wiki help us to get the
00:10:53presidency today, we're getting allocations in states
00:10:57and everything and the rest, even after the elections, do you
00:11:00know the role that wiki has played to help the government
00:11:04till date a lot of addition to his performance in fct? okay, as we are
00:11:08reaching looking at the alliance between
00:11:12the the as in the last minute talk between NDC
00:11:16and the ADC and some other opposition party SDP
00:11:19that if this works that this might be a big problem
00:11:23for the APC. that if one the
00:11:27big two that article decide to step
00:11:31down and work together,
00:11:34always like to go to war with uh multiple
00:11:38bullets, so and for APC and for the president
00:11:42in particular, I know that we have a plan a, plan
00:11:46b, plan c, plan, in fact in the case the president,
00:11:50he has a plan A to plan z, that is how
00:11:53president operates now
00:11:57let's take it for granted, i personally, if you ask
00:12:01me to do an analysis, i will tell you that it is practically
00:12:05impossible for them to come together, because i know the mindset of some
00:12:09the principal actors i'm quite close with
00:12:11with a couple of uh with a couple
00:12:15of uh with a couple them uh, but
00:12:18secondly take it assuming but not considering
00:12:21that they will come uh together, the... will not be able to
00:12:25defeat president uh, tell you this, but they won't even be able
00:12:29to come together, that's it, they can't, you can see it very clearly, it's not possible, so
00:12:33if the their inabilities to come together makes it more
00:12:36difficult, absolutely, very, very, very difficult,
00:12:40and they've lost the mallege of time, they've lost
00:12:44so much along along the way, let's look at
00:12:47s
00:12:48and you see, keep saying it, one key person that is
00:12:52missing in the opposition is some body like Wiki and you
00:12:56don't have the you don't have plenty them, people
00:12:58need to understand this, everybody has the kind of blessing that God has given him, the qualities
00:13:02that God has given him, you will not have plenty of
00:13:06Wiki. I put a bet with you that if Wiki were to be in the
00:13:10opposition, they would have been a rainbow collation, so we should thank
00:13:14God that today we have a wiki who is having a rainbow
00:13:17collation and is working with, so the governor should not discourage
00:13:21him, I'm pleading to them, you know the governors are...
00:13:25"they are my fathers, they are my senior brothers, even though some them are my
00:13:28friends, we respect them, we love them so much,
00:13:32they doing a lot of work that we're using now to campaign for themselves
00:13:36and to campaign for the president, but what i'm telling the governors is that
00:13:40don't fight wiky, we need more wiki,
00:13:43negotiate with wiki, don't go public to embarrass wik, it's
00:13:47not necessary, if you say wike can cause you to lose certain
00:13:51things, it means wike is strong, so what you need to do?" "
00:13:55is to have a conversation with him, what do you want him to do? please
00:13:58just tell me what do you want we to do? okay, in this kind of situation now, the
00:14:02president is like a catch situation for the president, that both them are
00:14:06fighting for his interest. how can the president interven in this kind of
00:14:10situation? since the governor's forum, they are together saying that no,
00:14:14we don't recognize this coalition. for me, it's a very, very simple
00:14:18uh matter. i don't know the mindset the president, but i have dealt with
00:14:22him extensively from closer rain. but uh,
00:14:26I wouldn't want to say what I will tell the president, because I intend to also have this
00:14:30conversation
00:14:31with with the president, but but again, just just to give you a bit of
00:14:34tip, a I, I, I, if I am the president, let me rather say, if I
00:14:38am the president, not necessary, what I will tell the president, if I am the president,
00:14:42I'll bring all them on, I'll bring all them on on
00:14:46on board and have a conversation,
00:14:50and read the right act, no more public uh
00:14:54exchange. 'if you have any fear, come and have the com,
00:14:58but we took on those governors first, which you took on those governors first, it
00:15:02took on the governor and it took on the emo state governor in his media
00:15:05chats, um, you see i don't want to go into and those
00:15:09guys,
00:15:09you know, might be sort, might be, yes, i don't want to go
00:15:13into deeper, deeper issues, but you
00:15:17also know that there are certain personalities that have issues
00:15:21with themselves and uh, they could use any'.
00:15:25platform to foster their own interest. now I'm not
00:15:29talking about either wiki or anybody and therest, but they have their issues, but
00:15:33another dangerous thing that we need to also understand and give VK
00:15:36credit. people are looking at the negative side, they are not looking at the
00:15:40positive uh side, the positive side is that in
00:15:44some these states where you have, with the exception of places like
00:15:47cano, legos where you do not have, you have the governors uh
00:15:51without people protesting and and and the rest where you have
00:15:54people who disagree with the governors and they were seated
00:15:58quietly, believe me as a politician i know what they will do, they will work
00:16:01against the party in totality, so what wik has
00:16:05done, he has provided a platform for them, and
00:16:09because they love the president, they've jumped on those platform. look,
00:16:13okay, if the governors are talking, why are all those candidates that are
00:16:17joining wiki in rainbow collation, why didn't they go to NDC or
00:16:20ADC? they are interested
00:16:22in APS, they only have their own
00:16:26issues, internal issues with the uh governors, so
00:16:30and that
00:16:30is why I said the smartest things for the governors to do is to
00:16:34go into negotiation with uh
00:16:37uh with with with wiki, this
00:16:40is not
00:16:40the time to embarrass uh wiki, the PDP will never
00:16:44agree on this, PDP will not agree, but I will tell you
00:16:48something, if we should rewind
00:16:51time, believe me, BDP would have given wiki vice
00:16:55presidential slot, and we are in that kind of this kind of
00:16:59problem, yes and
00:17:00it is this kind of period that we are, the same kind of
00:17:04period, and I was telling somebody, I i don't think we can't is
00:17:07god, wiki is not is the god, it's not, it's not, it's an ordinary human
00:17:11being, but I was saying, I was telling somebody that if you push Wiki to
00:17:15the wall at this time, and the man gets angry and
00:17:18frustrated and decide to go for the brokes, that look, whatever it
00:17:22is, look, if you want to push me down, let me just go down, and
00:17:26decide to scatter everything, carry the rainbow
00:17:30collation to somewhere else, what will you say, what will you
00:17:34say, and I want to tell you this, believe me, and i have said it
00:17:38before man and god, i don't know
00:17:41wiki, i'm only doing a genuine intervention for the
00:17:45part for the party and for the president that i love so
00:17:48much, i want him to win his election and he's going to win his his
00:17:52election, i have met wiki only twice in my life,
00:17:56once we met, we went with the chief
00:17:59of when he uh campaigning for speakership, we met
00:18:03him in reverse, the second after the 2023 election in the house the
00:18:07speakers. uh chief of staff again we met accidentally,
00:18:11just hello, hello, if wik if i see him
00:18:14i know is wiki, but believe me between man
00:18:18and god, i have no relationship
00:18:21whatsoever with wiki, i
00:18:25it is just something that i know, i've been around for a while and i understand this kind
00:18:29of delicate situation, the chang in
00:18:322027, between 2023 to 2027, lot of people will
00:18:36tell you that look, the northerners that they are not happy with
00:18:39bolatinobo, i don't, you are from kano, the constituence,
00:18:43yeah, i don't know what's the feedback they are giving you about the
00:18:46government and the presidency of bolatinable,
00:18:50i've answered this question repeatedly, repeatedly and i will answer
00:18:54it again, the problem we had at the beginning was
00:18:58communication gap, some people
00:19:01successfully blackmailed the president
00:19:04extensively in the north, it was a... case
00:19:08of blackmail, the president
00:19:10was working for the north, but there was communication gap,
00:19:14nobody knew, the president appointed so
00:19:18many northerners until when we brought out and started making the comparison,
00:19:22railing out all the appointment that he's given to n and the rest, many people do
00:19:26not know, then people are supposed to read
00:19:30out history to people, how much sacrifice the president had
00:19:34made to northerners before northerners even
00:19:37around him, all these issues we're not being put forward
00:19:41to our people, because of time factor, i will not be able to go into that
00:19:45details, but what i'm assuring you is that now people are
00:19:49being told they know
00:19:51what is going on in power, what
00:19:53he is done, what is done in biji, he's completed
00:19:56kaduna, he's completed kaduna kado road,
00:20:00abuja kaduna is about being completed,
00:20:02this is it's going a lot of
00:20:06work going, agricultural uh
00:20:10sector, he's working so hard to resolve the mambila,
00:20:14so many things are going on
00:20:17for for the north, in terms of appointment we've taken time to
00:20:21explain the balance, they have the south have
00:20:25finance has budget, so many things,
00:20:29in Karno states, lot of people say the
00:20:32peter will be choosing
00:20:35your former God.
00:20:37Okay,
00:20:44your godfather,
00:20:44he is still my godfather, he is still my
00:20:48boss,
00:20:49he is still my. just i love him so
00:20:52much, we only have a this uh
00:20:56agreement over strategic issues of
00:21:00where we should uh head to, that's the only
00:21:03thing, otherwise I call him and will continue to hold him in
00:21:07higher, selection by Peter
00:21:10as his running mates that that is a political masterstroke and that will
00:21:14swit the nots, it will swit his vote, it will improve his fortune from what
00:21:18he had in 2023. better in 2027,
00:21:22he's not on the ballot, kwakwaso, he's not on the
00:21:26ballot, kwakwaso is on the ballot, he's
00:21:28not a ballot,
00:21:29he's a ko tickets, that's Peter, it's a peter, as
00:21:32far as we are concerned, it's a peter ob, it's a peter
00:21:35ob, is not on the balance, it's a
00:21:38presidential, it's a presidential candidate, and we've
00:21:42always thought it is going to be a presidential
00:21:46candidate, so what we are saying is like just a rubber stand, in my
00:21:50in my wild days dream, i've never spoken about konkosu and i don't like
00:21:54talking about it, for the respect
00:21:58i have for him, but let tell you something, but for the first time let me just
00:22:02say one thing, just one little thing, one of my biggest shock
00:22:06was accepting to run as
00:22:09deputy, deputy to ob knowing fully the
00:22:12conversations that we've had with him about uh
00:22:16that, but but again about yeah yeah about
00:22:20him, about him
00:22:23agreeing, i want us to break it
00:22:26down,
00:22:28you are trying
00:22:28to drag, you such journalist, you are trying to
00:22:32drag me to say what he said, but that's not the point that i make it, i
00:22:36would never say that about, what i am saying, we are talking about now, is this
00:22:40difficult, will it be difficult to sell
00:22:43100, 100%
00:22:47extremely, look at look at the emphasis mean
00:22:50extremely difficult to market will be in the north,
00:22:54yes,
00:22:57unfortun, unfortunity, unfortunately, unfortunately, konkoso is
00:23:01not the one on the ballot, if konkoso were to be the presidential
00:23:05candidate and obi the
00:23:07run in mate, it would have been a joint, it would have been a
00:23:10dycy situation, it have been a dycy
00:23:13situation, it, but but but being
00:23:16a runing running mate has... make things much
00:23:20more uh uh easier, so that's
00:23:24it, and that is why you see these issues that you bring it, that
00:23:28is why look, APC need to
00:23:32embrace rainbow coalition, so for the
00:23:36presidential, do you think people will prefer to follow
00:23:39APC in Karno, because we know the vote of kano will
00:23:43go along way in deciding so much up north and even affects
00:23:47everything that happens in the south. do you want to put a bet with
00:23:51me? i want
00:23:52to put a bet with you today. what is today's
00:23:55date? 19th right? today is
00:23:5819th, i right? 19th or 20? 19 or 20th, 19th,
00:24:0219th, 20th, 20th, today is today, today is 20th, sorry,
00:24:06i've been traveling to open them, so today is
00:24:0920, k will go apc for the
00:24:13president, forget about what you are hearing, all the shout you
00:24:17are hearing, forget forget. what you are here, he
00:24:21is not on the ballot, so forget, forget it, he's
00:24:24influential, he has support, but
00:24:28that miscalculation of not being the presidential
00:24:32candidate and having to be on, i don't have
00:24:35problem with ob, but just the
00:24:38reality, aha, so it will be difficult, it's a hard
00:24:42cell, it's a hard sell a very, very hard say, we
00:24:45have to leave it there, honorable abdul momen, thank you very much, he's the all progressive
00:24:49congress from cano state and um we expect
00:24:53the minister of f city tomorrow, tomorrow is going to
00:24:57be life in on tbc 5 pm, you don't
00:25:00miss that, the fct minister before we enter the studio, he just
00:25:04confirmed
00:25:06to be in this studio tomorrow on journalist hang out by 5
00:25:09pm, so thank you so much and he's been doing
00:25:12a very good job, my parents have lived in
00:25:16abuja for about 40 years i
00:25:20we came to Abuja when I was 13, so so I know
00:25:24Wiki is one the best thing that has happened to Abuja, but we have that conversation another
00:25:28day, all thank you, and that's our offering today, join us next
00:25:32week for another edition of politics on
00:25:35Sunday, and see you next
00:25:38week.
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