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00:00:30Good afternoon, it's exactly 1 PM, I'm Joanna Mankosa, welcome to
00:00:34the latest news on TVP
00:00:36Info.
00:00:40In front of Pekal's headquarters, where a board meeting is just beginning, at which
00:00:43a decision may be made to dismiss Radosław Piesiewicz from his position as head,
00:00:47is Marcin Czabski, we will talk about this in the service,
00:00:50meanwhile, in front of the Academy of Justice,
00:00:52Zuzanna Kuczyńska, who will speak about the behavior of MP Antoni Macierewicz, who violated
00:00:56the bodily integrity of a police officer. We begin the service,
00:01:00welcome.
00:01:01The Minister of National Defense, Władysław
00:01:11Kosiniak Kamysz, informed on service X about the Polish
00:01:14army's acquisition of a drone over the Baltic Sea. As we read in the
00:01:18statement, in the area of the beach in the town of Rusinowo near
00:01:22Jarosławiec, the army located and retrieved a drone from the
00:01:25Baltic Sea. Preliminary inspections indicate
00:01:28that it is a military unmanned aerial vehicle originating from Russia. On site, services
00:01:32are carrying out activities related to securing the scene of the
00:01:36incident and the retrieved equipment.
00:01:39The Minister of Interior and Administration, Marcin
00:01:44Kierwiński, has filed a report with the prosecutor's office regarding the possibility of
00:01:47Antoni Macierewicz committing a crime. This concerns yesterday's incident, in which the
00:01:50Law and Justice MP violated the bodily integrity of a police officer. As
00:01:54we read in the minister's statement: "After Macierewicz's scandalous behavior
00:01:58towards Polish police officers, I decided to file a report with
00:02:02the prosecutor's office regarding the possibility of Antoni Macierewicz committing a crime.
00:02:05Enough is enough, Macierewicz must answer for his attack on Polish
00:02:09police officers." Law and Justice MP Antoni
00:02:12Macierewicz violated the bodily integrity of a police officer,
00:02:14and this situation occurred precisely
00:02:17according to experts, these during the politician's attempt to enter the Academy of Justice, where for several
00:02:20days there has been a power dispute
00:02:23border, these in academia. Well, today, compared to yesterday,
00:02:26it's quite calm, because the situation we're talking about, and both from Minister Kierwiński and the posts
00:02:30Russia not only...
00:02:39that are appearing, concern yesterday, and today is another day,
00:02:42another attempt to enter the building of the Academy of Justice.
00:02:46Michał Sopiński was here, and so was Antoni Macierewicz,
00:02:50but let's see then how it looked.
00:02:53The police are blocking the way for the MP to the Sejm of the Republic of
00:02:57Poland. Sir, I don't know, do you have a
00:03:14service number? Yes, a number.
00:03:17If you behave like that,
00:03:24just like your
00:03:26colleague, I'll have to refer you to
00:03:35court, do you understand? Because what you're doing is a crime,
00:03:38I have the right, in accordance with the law,
00:03:42to enter as an MP, and you're
00:03:45stopping me. I don't intend
00:03:49to fight you, as you might imagine.
00:03:53Today, the Law and Justice MP. To explain
00:03:55yesterday's situation, let's hear the
00:03:58MP's words:
00:04:08There was an attempt to violate my
00:04:09my
00:04:13officer, but I must say that I don't really
00:04:17worry about such things, because as an
00:04:20MP for many, many decades,
00:04:24I know that what is important above all...
00:04:27is that the law be implemented, and regardless of
00:04:30how police officers behave, regardless of how various
00:04:34officers behave, an MP has
00:04:38an obligation to implement the
00:04:41law.
00:04:43The Law and Justice MP apparently claims that his bodily integrity
00:04:47was violated, he appeared here today, as I mentioned, in front
00:04:50of the Academy of Justice, now this protest,
00:04:54which has been going on for several days, as you mentioned, is already
00:04:57quite peaceful, there are a few people who are still
00:05:01here outside the building, outside
00:05:03the AWS building, Michał Sopiński was also there, who also tried
00:05:07to enter here, he still maintains the fact
00:05:10that in his opinion this dismissal did not take place, because
00:05:14this document was not delivered to him in the proper manner, today he was also at
00:05:17the Ministry of Justice and was waiting for Waldemar Żurek to collect this
00:05:21document, however, it did not happen, he still wants
00:05:24to perform this function, he is ready for it, but
00:05:28according to Waldemar Żurek's decision, these functions are already
00:05:32being performed, they are already being performed, just a moment,
00:05:35excuse me, Sławomir Cudak.
00:05:39Zuzanna Kuczyńska with this information for you, thank you.
00:05:43There is no consent for anyone to touch a uniformed officer,
00:05:47emphasized the chairman of the main board of NSZZ
00:05:49Solidarność of Police Officers, Rafał Jankowski.
00:05:52Of course, those officers who were on duty at the
00:05:56Academy building did it on orders.
00:05:59They did it as they
00:06:03should. There is no consent for
00:06:06anyone to touch the uniform of this
00:06:10officer with their finger.
00:06:42with the participation of Law and Justice politicians, my guest and yours
00:06:45is Tomasz Trela, MP of the New Left, good morning,
00:06:49MP, good morning, madam, good morning everyone, Antoni Macierewicz, who
00:06:52approaches a police officer, starts touching his uniform,
00:06:56admonishes him, waves his
00:06:59parliamentary ID card in front of him, what kind of behavior is this and what
00:07:02does it indicate? First of all, it indicates that Antoni
00:07:06Macierewicz has completely and utterly
00:07:08lost his mind. I mean, how he behaved a few days ago, let's remember.
00:07:12He ran around at the Smoleńsk monthly commemoration
00:07:15with a paint gun, now he starts touching a police officer,
00:07:19violates his bodily integrity, this is an article of the penal
00:07:23code, there is an appropriate paragraph for this, but above all he threatens
00:07:26officers, saying that they will be held accountable for it, he will
00:07:29take him to court, he thinks that a parliamentary ID card is
00:07:33a pass to any mess that Law and Justice would
00:07:36like to create. Everything has come undone, polls are falling,
00:07:40everything indicates that many Law and Justice politicians will not
00:07:43be in the next parliament, and they are starting to do such stupid things.
00:07:47Does Macierewicz feel immune due to his parliamentary immunity?
00:07:50Macierewicz feels immune and I have the impression that Macierewicz
00:07:54is trying very hard to resemble Braun, who also causes
00:07:57such excesses with a fire extinguisher, with
00:08:00burning flags, with bursting into
00:08:04conferences at a university, and Macierewicz would like to be a Law and Justice
00:08:07Braun, he would also like to draw attention to himself by
00:08:10doing extreme things, but Antoni Macierewicz does stupid things, he was the former Minister
00:08:14of National Defense, he was responsible for uniformed services, today
00:08:18he disgraces that uniform and it's good that
00:08:22he was responsible and it's good that he won't be responsible anymore, because he is a person
00:08:25who really is not right in the head and
00:08:28first of all, he should be dealt with by the uniformed
00:08:32services, secondly, a doctor would also be needed here to check all this
00:08:35and verify if something hasn't gone wrong there, he is a very
00:08:39dangerous fellow, fortunately today it is already...
00:08:43On the internet, we also see a video featuring Law and Justice MP Mariusz Gosek, who
00:08:46walks around with an activated phone, circling
00:08:50a police officer and trying to explain
00:08:53his behavior, namely that he would like to
00:08:55break into the headquarters of the academy? Well, this is harassment
00:08:59of police officers, this is showing
00:09:03that I am immortal here, I am Gosek,
00:09:05who has immunity, and what will the officer do to me, but I think
00:09:09Poland sees this. The public opinion is watching this, and such
00:09:13a Gosek has a well-established reputation among logical citizens
00:09:16of our country. Since last week, Law and Justice MP
00:09:20Maria Kurowska has been arriving at the building. Why does Law and Justice defend the Academy of Justice
00:09:24as its last bastion? Well, because they themselves invented this institution, they
00:09:27themselves put their own official,
00:09:31almost a party hack, at the head of this institution, they are doing everything to fight,
00:09:35but they are also doing it for propaganda in their media,
00:09:38friendly Law and Justice media, because there they are constantly, 24 hours
00:09:42a day, heating this up and trying to show these hardline Law and Justice
00:09:46voters that they are in the right and they are fighting for
00:09:49justice. Thank you for your comment, my guest
00:09:53and yours was Tomasz Trella, MP of the New Left, I would just like to remind
00:09:56you that the Minister of Justice, Prosecutor General, dismissed Dr. Michał
00:10:00Sopiński from the position of rector. He was the rector of the Academy
00:10:03of Justice, and in his place, Professor Sławomir Cudak
00:10:07was appointed by the Minister of Justice. So we're staying in the Sejm, because there,
00:10:10Deputy Minister of Defense Cezary Tomczyk, let's listen. Poland
00:10:14is today, in many respects, the number one target
00:10:18when it comes to hybrid attacks or observations. When it comes
00:10:21to, for example,
00:10:25attacks on our military cyber
00:10:28networks, we are among the top three
00:10:31in the world when it comes to observations, observation drones,
00:10:35all that is happening. I just want to also warn
00:10:38you, and I think it is also important, let's build this
00:10:42resilience, which means it will be like this as long as the threat
00:10:46from Russia exists.
00:10:48We will be tested in various
00:10:51ways, we will be tested, observation planes or fighters will
00:10:55appear, we will intercept them in the international waters in the Polish economic
00:10:58zone, drones will appear,
00:11:02various kinds of threats may appear, and we
00:11:06will counteract them, we will simply build this awareness and
00:11:10social resilience. So I understand that at this stage it's also difficult to say how it got
00:11:13there, how exactly it looked, when it
00:11:16happened, we will inform you if there is any
00:11:20new information, thank you very much, just quickly about shelters,
00:11:24we are constantly talking about the need to educate people about
00:11:27how to act, but people still don't know where to hide, when some
00:11:31information for people, an application or a map
00:11:33of shelters.
00:11:35I highly recommend the safety guide, which is also available
00:11:38online on the websites of the Ministry of Interior
00:11:42and Administration and the website of the Minister of National
00:11:45Defense, where all necessary information can be found,
00:11:49however, today we are talking about three types of alarms, the first
00:11:52alarm, which was introduced after...
00:12:03bombings occur, this is the first information people receive,
00:12:06it is not associated with the need for evacuation, it
00:12:10is associated with the need to follow messages also through your
00:12:14phone, however, when sirens wail in the Lublin
00:12:17or Subcarpathian voivodships, it is a sign that you need
00:12:21to look for shelter, what does that mean, it will not always
00:12:24be a shelter or a place of refuge, sometimes it will be an underground
00:12:27garage, a basement, and in the case of apartments, simply
00:12:31a place without windows, so that potential
00:12:34shrapnel cannot injure us, this is how the evacuation process
00:12:37works worldwide, this is how it works in Israel, this is how it works in
00:12:41Ukraine, it will not be such that within three minutes,
00:12:45which is sometimes, and sometimes that's how long a missile
00:12:48flight takes, everyone will be able to evacuate to shelters,
00:12:52even if such shelters exist
00:12:55in a certain city. So this is what
00:12:59I can say, if there are sirens, it is not a warning
00:13:02sign, it is a sign to find
00:13:06a safe place, that is, as I said, a basement, an underground
00:13:09garage or a place in your own home that has no windows
00:13:13and this is the simplest instruction that should reach as many
00:13:17residents of our country as possible, at what stage are the talks about a permanent
00:13:20American base, nothing has changed in this matter, that is the message?
00:13:34not only meetings in Warsaw, but also visits to industrial
00:13:37plants and some
00:13:40locations in Poland, Prime Minister Kosiniak Kamysz
00:13:43spoke, among other things, about the Greater Poland
00:13:46Voivodeship, I also conveyed to you that these
00:13:50two most promising locations from the Polish
00:13:54perspective are the Greater Poland Voivodeship and
00:13:57the Lower Silesian Voivodeship, but for a decision on whether this will even be possible,
00:14:00some time still needs to pass.
00:14:03Until these matters are finalized, we will not have
00:14:07new information to share with you. However, we are in
00:14:11ongoing dialogue with the American side and are exchanging
00:14:15information regarding potential locations, American
00:14:18expectations, what forces we are talking about, what capabilities we want
00:14:22to achieve here, that is partly why the American delegation was here.
00:14:55or directly from Law and Justice or from the Confederation they take money from
00:14:58thieves, somehow I haven't seen that make any impression on people from Law and Justice
00:15:01or the Confederation, thank you very much,
00:15:04that was Cezary Tomczyk from the Sejm, and the Minister of National Defense, Władysław Kosiniak Kamysz,
00:15:08informed on service X about the Polish army's acquisition of
00:15:12a drone from the Baltic Sea. As we read in the statement, in the area of
00:15:15the beach in the town of Rusinowo near Jarosławiec, the army
00:15:19located and retrieved a drone from the Baltic Sea. Preliminary inspections indicate that it is a military
00:15:22unmanned aerial vehicle. said the head of EU diplomacy,
00:15:37Kaja Kallas, commenting on yesterday's
00:15:40attack on a train in Ukraine near the Polish border. As
00:15:44she emphasized, we should react by supporting
00:15:47Ukraine.
00:15:48I think this attack was clearly
00:15:51aimed at intimidating Western countries not to support
00:15:54Ukraine. It was undoubtedly a message directed to the
00:15:58Western world. The question is: what will we take from this
00:16:02message? I believe that we should do the opposite:
00:16:05show that we stand with Ukraine, that we are not
00:16:09intimidated, otherwise Russia will achieve what it wants,
00:16:12namely the subjugation of Ukraine, and as I have
00:16:16repeated many times, this is not their ultimate goal, their ultimate
00:16:19goal goes much further.
00:16:23The guest of TVP Info is Dr. Michał Piekarski, a security expert
00:16:26from the University of
00:16:31Wrocław, also the Polish National Security Association, good morning
00:16:34sir, good morning madam, good morning everyone, Dr.,
00:16:38we now have another installment of this hybrid
00:16:41war of Russia against the rest
00:16:45of the Western world,
00:16:48another drone that was located
00:16:51and retrieved from the Baltic Sea
00:16:55in the area of the beach in Rusinowo near Jarosławiec, yesterday's
00:16:58attacks on the train near the Polish-Ukrainian
00:17:00border, is Russia testing?
00:17:04This is of course,
00:17:07here, taking into account the place where this
00:17:10unmanned aerial vehicle was found, although for now we do not know
00:17:14exactly where and what type
00:17:17of device it was,
00:17:19it is also probably a test,
00:17:22because it is too far for it to be a device
00:17:26that slipped out of control, for example,
00:17:28during exercises near the coast of the Kaliningrad
00:17:32Oblast, I would not be surprised if it were a unit
00:17:35intended for reconnaissance operations, whether surface,
00:17:39underwater, or flying, so we are constantly
00:17:42being tested, our reactions are constantly
00:17:46observed by the enemy.
00:17:49This testing will intensify and escalate most likely,
00:17:54attacks, at least yesterday's near the
00:17:58Polish-Ukrainian attacks on the train are not
00:18:02a coincidence, is it that
00:18:07tests this, it also checks our readiness to react in such a situation, and is this
00:18:11reaction, in your opinion, appropriate?
00:18:15Of course, however, this attack on the train
00:18:18most likely aimed to intimidate also those who
00:18:21travel to Ukraine, because previously these trains
00:18:25were not attacked, and in social media there were materials,
00:18:29reports showing that the railway runs excellently, it runs
00:18:32on time, here we are dealing with an attack on
00:18:35an international train.
00:18:40Besides, let's consider what happened earlier,
00:18:44today an interview was published,
00:18:47which was given by the operational commander of the armed forces, it was directly
00:18:50stated that there is an 80%
00:18:54probability that the missile that recently fell in the
00:18:57Lublin region was sent intentionally,
00:19:01and
00:19:03of course, the question of reaction arises, the problem is that
00:19:08currently the most effective reaction is simply continuous
00:19:11support for Ukraine so that Ukraine, by conducting its fight, and
00:19:14at the same time our fight, strikes at the Russians,
00:19:18depriving them of what they can use to aggress against us,
00:19:21that is, destroying their equipment, their facilities, their
00:19:25infrastructure. However, the question
00:19:28remains, of course, what
00:19:31if such an attack occurs that already crosses the threshold, about
00:19:35which... fifth, it will no longer be one
00:19:38missile, it will no longer be one unmanned aerial vehicle
00:19:42recovered from the sea, but for example, an unmanned aerial vehicle
00:19:46that hits a ship approaching one of our ports,
00:19:49or if it's a salvo of cruise missiles aimed at our
00:19:53critical infrastructure facilities,
00:19:56then we will have to respond. Here it is worth noting
00:20:00what Mr. Cikorski recently said in Kyiv,
00:20:03he announced directly: NATO
00:20:06has such strength, such potential in
00:20:10the air, that it is able to finish in six weeks what the Ukrainians
00:20:13have been doing for the last six months, this is a clear message
00:20:17to Russia. Doctor, I would also like to ask about
00:20:20the drone that was recovered from the Baltic Sea today,
00:20:24we know that this is an area where Russia's hybrid
00:20:27activities have been felt for a long time,
00:20:30GPS signal disruptions, youth who
00:20:34cannot receive these signals properly. Please tell me,
00:20:37is this also a strategic point, a strategic
00:20:40region that will be attacked
00:20:43by Russia?
00:20:46Of course, and...
00:20:48I have the bitter satisfaction of having been among
00:20:51the experts who warned against this for years, because
00:20:54please remember one thing, the Baltic Sea and maritime security, which were
00:20:58neglected for a decade, are still
00:21:00strategically important. The Baltic Sea is not just
00:21:04the area where military installations are located, such as Darłowo,
00:21:08Ustka, there are training grounds where our soldiers train, but
00:21:11these are also places where energy installations are being
00:21:14built, from which we will draw electricity, there are installations
00:21:18that serve to transfer energy, in the Baltic Sea we have
00:21:22a cable connecting Poland to Sweden, we have a strategically important
00:21:26gas pipeline that connects us with Norwegian deposits.
00:21:29The Baltic Sea is shipping, on which we are economically
00:21:32dependent. Russia will attack these
00:21:35targets. And it's not a question at this
00:21:38point of whether it will happen, because it has already started to happen, when
00:21:42there were these incidents with the alleged dragging
00:21:45of anchors, the alleged
00:21:47accidental ones.
00:21:50It is no longer a question of whether, it is a question of when,
00:21:54when the next attack will occur, Doctor, is the
00:21:57goal of Russia, when it comes to the Baltic Sea, more
00:22:01what you mentioned, that is, the issue of the location of our troops
00:22:04near these places, or
00:22:07is it, because we also have a Shadow Fleet, which has been operating
00:22:11in the Baltic Sea for a long time, they are engaged in acts of sabotage,
00:22:15quite effectively, international law has not yet fully dealt
00:22:18with regulating this crisis, so the question is more whether
00:22:21it is about these
00:22:23energy or gas supplies and disrupting these supplies, that is,
00:22:27reconnaissance and possible disruption later, or possibly
00:22:31simply spying in a nutshell? These
00:22:34actions are taking place,
00:22:38because we have reconnaissance activities, openly
00:22:41conducted even with manned aircraft, which our fighters intercept
00:22:45from time to time, but they also have, by all means,
00:22:48invasive ones, although reconnaissance...
00:22:58to prepare for conventional aggression. Here we must bear in mind that Russia's goal is simply to make
00:23:01NATO states
00:23:05weakened
00:23:07so that they cannot effectively repel Russian aggression.
00:23:10If we have Poland or the Baltic
00:23:13States that are internally divided, that are
00:23:17cut off, for example, from energy supplies, then they will of course
00:23:20be easier targets for subsequent conventional
00:23:24aggression, and this is Russia's goal. Doctor,
00:23:27from the foreign newsroom, who is also undoubtedly involved
00:23:31in this topic, also has a question for you, Doctor. I would
00:23:35like to know, because one might get the impression that
00:23:38the Russians are acting rather with impunity, and we are not
00:23:41responding adequately, we are just constantly reporting that
00:23:45we found a drone, that our... Do we have the ability
00:23:48dron, to do nasze...
00:23:58to respond, an adequate response, so as to calm
00:24:01the Russians down?
00:24:02We do, but the problem
00:24:06is that it requires action, because we are
00:24:10a NATO country,
00:24:12and we must act within international
00:24:15law, so for example, if we have a unit
00:24:18that is probably behaving
00:24:21suspiciously, we see it on radars, we see it on the AIS system, for example,
00:24:25it's circling near critical infrastructure,
00:24:28we have limited ability to act until it turns out that this unit is
00:24:32currently conducting hostile activities. For example, if we have a case
00:24:35where a unit enters our territorial waters,
00:24:39flying the flag, of course, of a country other than
00:24:42Russia, and it turns out, for example, that from the deck of this unit
00:24:46some unit is being launched, for example an unmanned aerial vehicle,
00:24:50or an unmanned aerial vehicle takes off, then they have the right to intervene
00:24:53with full force against such a unit and take control of it, and if necessary,
00:24:57sink it. The same applies to other threats. Simply, the
00:25:00threshold that allows us to take off our gloves
00:25:04and strike so that Russia understands is simply
00:25:07higher than in the case of a country that disregards all norms. Therefore,
00:25:11for example, responding to the shadow fleet
00:25:14is problematic and we simply need to reach for
00:25:18such regulations that, in certain
00:25:20circumstances, allow us, for example,
00:25:23to board such a unit, because for example, it turns out that
00:25:27it changed its flag during the voyage, and at that moment we can say: oh sorry, this is a
00:25:31stateless unit, we are boarding, and no one has anything to
00:25:34say. But controls over units of
00:25:38the shadow fleet have already been taken over. I wonder, for example,
00:25:42whether NATO should not organize
00:25:44itself in such a way as to respond
00:25:48to acts of sabotage that
00:25:50occur in our country with acts of sabotage in
00:25:54Russia.
00:25:57However, that would be opening a very dangerous
00:26:00front at this moment, because
00:26:03would mean that at this
00:26:04moment
00:26:07we can put ourselves in the shoes of those whom Russia accuses, for example, of carrying out
00:26:11terrorist acts, that, if such
00:26:15a thing is justified, it is absolutely legal in the case of acts
00:26:18of sabotage, diversion, in the case of actions carried out
00:26:21in war, we are not yet at that threshold and I would be very
00:26:25careful about talking about such
00:26:29options, because...
00:26:32even the very discussion of it can be weaponized by Russia,
00:26:35used by Russia as a weapon, imagine that at this
00:26:39moment, for example, your statement will be remixed
00:26:43by some Russian television station or podcast portal: "Polish journalist
00:26:46calls for sabotage attacks
00:26:49in Russia," as I said, this threshold is at this moment, in our
00:26:53case, unfortunately
00:26:55much higher, but that does not mean that it does not
00:26:59exist, we simply have to be much more careful.
00:27:03For example, the challenge in the case of the shadow fleet is not, for example,
00:27:06the reaction itself, but to have irrefutable
00:27:10evidence that such a unit that
00:27:13passed over the gas pipeline, passed
00:27:16over an energy cable, to
00:27:20be sure that it damaged it and then we lay our cards on the table
00:27:23and then we respond with full force, here we only need
00:27:26irrefutable evidence, for that
00:27:29we need presence on the
00:28:02Security University in Rzeszów, good morning.