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00:00:06once again, have a good day, our next guest, because today we really have a lot of
00:00:10experts who are analyzing
00:00:12this serious situation very seriously. Our next guest, Bartłomiej
00:00:16Wypartowicz, Defense 24.pl, is already
00:00:19with us, as I see, good morning, good
00:00:22morning, and right now we are wondering whether we will
00:00:26find out what exactly this drone was...
00:00:38This drone, which is initially assessed by the Operational Command of the Armed Forces as a Gerber drone, we do not know if it contained any payload, we do not know for sure if it was a drone that
00:00:42drifted to us, as my colleague from the editorial team said,
00:00:45or if it was intentionally sent to the place where it was found, i.e.
00:00:49on the beach near Ustka, how do you assess this
00:00:52situation? The fact that it is a
00:00:56Gerber drone is visible in the photo
00:00:59that was published online, so here we already have
00:01:02100% certainty of what type of drone it is,
00:01:06how it flew to us and what
00:01:09function it could have performed, that is a matter for
00:01:12clarification, because Gerber drones are quite
00:01:16unsophisticated drones, they
00:01:19are very often made of foam and some wooden elements, they
00:01:23are mainly used to saturate Ukraine's air defense
00:01:26and are sent en masse, sometimes even up to
00:01:30600 units, but usually during such
00:01:33normal attacks, 350 to 500 units of this type of
00:01:37drones. These drones, at least according to information provided by the Ukrainian
00:01:41side, are quite easy to jam, and
00:01:44if they were flying somewhere, for example, in the northern
00:01:47part of Ukraine and were jammed, there is a
00:01:50probability that they changed their flight path and flew contrary
00:01:54to their intended purpose. Yesterday, the Lithuanian armed forces
00:01:57informed that one
00:02:00drone was flying through their territory, heading
00:02:03towards the Kaliningrad Oblast, so
00:02:06one of the possibilities is
00:02:09the fact that such a drone was in that area, so
00:02:13it could have flown, simply fallen into the Baltic
00:02:15Sea, and the
00:02:17current
00:02:19pulled it to our coast, that is one of the
00:02:23possibilities. The second thing, which is more
00:02:26disturbing, but I think much less likely, is
00:02:30that Gerber drones are not only used as decoys, they are mainly
00:02:34used in this way, but Gerber drones can also very
00:02:36often have various reconnaissance systems
00:02:40or jamming systems on board,
00:02:44so it could have been, for example, a drone sent along
00:02:48the coast to, for example, map something or check what
00:02:51is happening on the coast, and here we have
00:02:54the situation we have, which is the issue of large
00:02:58Polish drone exercises
00:03:00with long-range drones, of course I claim here that this
00:03:03case and this version is much less probable, but
00:03:07it cannot be ruled out in any case, and
00:03:11the third thing, because the editor asked about explosive material, Gerber
00:03:15can be without explosive charge, this is
00:03:17most often the case, or with a very small explosive charge,
00:03:21however, the photo that is
00:03:24shown
00:03:27online, is also shown on air, this rather
00:03:30shows that even if there was a charge, it did
00:03:33not detonate, so I will ask whether in your opinion
00:03:36these programs that we have,
00:03:39Baltic Sentry, but also
00:03:41the Zatoka program, which
00:03:45the Operational Command of the Armed Forces launched, are
00:03:49sufficient means for us to feel that our coast
00:03:53is safe? These programs are very
00:03:56much needed, but no program is ever sufficient, there are
00:04:00so many threats that the state must be prepared for,
00:04:03that more actions are needed in various areas,
00:04:07well, at Defense 24 we very often talk about, for example, increasing
00:04:11radar coverage in Poland, because we consider that radar coverage to be
00:04:15insufficient, we also hear such
00:04:18information from Polish soldiers, so this is
00:04:21a matter that will definitely need to be addressed, whether it affected this
00:04:25situation or not, I rather doubt it, but I would not want to
00:04:28prejudge it, because I do not have all the information
00:04:32that the Polish army and operational command have, but
00:04:35also, I keep saying that we need some
00:04:39specific anti-drone system,
00:04:42a jamming system, which in Poland, especially around
00:04:46the sea, would be deployed, I'm not talking here
00:04:49about the San system because of the fact that
00:04:53it is unable to combat many currently used drones
00:04:57because, for example, Gerber drones... 4 or
00:05:00Gran 5 are already turbojet effectors, which are
00:05:03used in the San system, are simply insufficient to shoot down this
00:05:07type of unmanned aerial vehicles,
00:05:10so in my opinion there is a need
00:05:14to create some kind of coastal defense system, an unmanned coastal defense system,
00:05:17however, this involves a lot of work, it certainly
00:05:21involves costs, it involves a
00:05:24serious willingness to treat the topic seriously,
00:05:27however, these things that we already have, we are doing,
00:05:31we have done a lot of things
00:05:34related to unmanned protection, to coastal protection,
00:05:38which have contributed to Poland's security, so for all
00:05:41these things... there are positives, we are certainly much safer
00:05:45than we were in 2022, we must
00:05:48say that with full awareness, thank you very
00:05:51much for these opinions, Bartłomiej Bartowicz, Defense
00:05:5424.pl was our guest, thank you
00:05:57very much, well, we are also slowly finishing
00:06:01the special edition, but let's summarize what we know, Ernest, we know that the army recovered a
00:06:04drone from the Baltic, probably a Gerber drone, in the area of the beach in
00:06:08Rusinowo, and unfortunately we also know that we must be prepared for
00:06:11further... incidents that we will report
00:06:15to you daily about such matters,
00:06:19that's right, Ernest Zozoń, thank you very much, Joanna Monkosa, thank you
00:06:22very much for your attention, and now the news program
00:06:25at 2:30 PM and Monika Sawko takes over TV
00:06:38it.
00:06:42Every day you give your all,
00:06:44right?
00:06:51Monika Sawka, good morning, we start
00:06:52at 2:30 PM.
00:06:56Another incident, a Russian drone found.