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00:00:16CPN package for now, because, as it claims, it has no
00:00:23Antoni Macierewicz broke the contract for
00:00:48Good morning, everyone, it's 9:30, this is the program Woronicza
00:00:5117, Kamila Biedrzycka, I warmly welcome you and invite you to our
00:00:55meeting today with Krzysztof Kwiatkowski from Civic Coalition, good morning, I warmly
00:00:58welcome you all.
00:01:31attacks, hopefully only hybrid ones, from Russia, but we know that all
00:01:35these events that have recently taken place near the Polish
00:01:38border, well, allow us to postulate that
00:01:41Vladimir Putin is escalating the course, we also have good
00:01:44news from across the ocean, Donald Trump emphasized that we are
00:01:48getting closer to building American bases in Poland, there is
00:01:52no final decision yet, but thanks to Karol
00:01:55Nawrocki, as emphasized by the President of the United States, this
00:01:58goal is getting closer. Closer, let's listen to how it
00:02:01looked this past week.
00:02:05Russia will escalate, it is going up the escalation ladder,
00:02:09this is visible in recent weeks towards the Baltic states,
00:02:12Romania, Moldova, Poland, Germany, other
00:02:16NATO and European Union countries. Many
00:02:19politicians, as well as political forces,
00:02:22Personal finance on are gaining strength and significance in European
00:02:25countries. They are just waiting for
00:02:28an alibi. 123
00:03:02We have personnel shortages and years or for 6 more years, but we are a nation that will never give up
00:03:06its soul, we may lose territory,
00:03:10we will never lose our homeland. There was
00:03:13no secret report on my desk, a fabricated lie
00:03:16to electrify public opinion and show off.
00:03:20The naive media's headlines blared for two days, no one checked, no one
00:03:23verified, who will believe him when something truly
00:03:27consisting, ladies and gentlemen, in happens. Significant progress has been made
00:03:30towards establishing a US Army base in Poland, if that happens,
00:03:34the location will be announced soon.
00:03:37I can assure you that the Polish government will make every effort to provide
00:03:41the best possible location for the US Army
00:03:43base. And in this last case, ladies and gentlemen, we have
00:03:47a perfect example of how cooperation leads to fruitful
00:03:51results, unfortunately we lack a bit of
00:03:54this cooperation, as evidenced by this rather, I will allow
00:03:58myself this word, embarrassing discussion.
00:04:00around the CIA report, I remind you that Prime Minister Donald Tusk
00:04:04was supposed to refer to the mentioned CIA report precisely during
00:04:07his speech in the Sejm, and according to the President's
00:04:11Chancellery, or at least Minister Marcin Przydacz, this report does not
00:04:15exist at all, and as you heard, according to him, Prime Minister Donald
00:04:19Tusk wanted to show off, I wonder
00:04:21if this word is adequate to the
00:04:25seriousness of the situation we are currently facing, Krzysztof Kwiatkowski, and
00:04:29then the lady. Minister Przydacz's
00:04:30statement is absurd,
00:04:35I generally have a request, because this entry appeared at
00:04:39carefully to the government side, I count night, politicians who make entries at night,
00:04:42it usually turns out badly, well, each of us, for natural reasons, is a bit less
00:04:46fit at night than during
00:04:48the day, what is most important in this matter is that
00:04:52our American ally provides us with information,
00:04:56I remind you, the head of the CIA was in Russia, then a meeting takes place.
00:05:00Minister Siemoniak, Minister Siemoniak conveys this
00:05:03information not only to the Prime Minister, but also meets with
00:05:07the head of the National Security Bureau, who is probably
00:05:09slightly embarrassed by Minister Przydacz's statement,
00:05:13who made his entry on the night of September 17-18,
00:05:16on September 18 he corrects it and clearly
00:05:19states that yes, Minister Siemoniak
00:05:22conveyed this information to him from
00:05:25that meeting, and I think I am, as I look around, the only one in this group who
00:05:29supervised the uniformed services, specifically the prison
00:05:32service, a report can be written or oral, so Minister
00:05:35Siemoniak submitted a report from the meeting and
00:05:39reported to the Prime Minister, and the expectation that a report... must be
00:05:43in writing every time, well, I will say delicately that the head of the
00:05:46CIA writes written reports, but to President Trump, not
00:05:50President Nawrocki or Prime Minister
00:05:52Tusk. I hope that this, well, I apologize, but it is
00:05:56problematic from the perspective of the image of the institutions of the Polish
00:06:00State, that this discussion will end, I count
00:06:03more on what the editor pointed out, because this week is also a good
00:06:07example of cooperation between all centers of power in the context
00:06:10of strengthening presence.
00:06:17the head of the national security bureau seems to be trying
00:06:21with all his might to end this rather unpleasant exchange
00:06:24of words by stating that we should put a stop to it here and
00:06:27the most important thing is that when it comes to security, this
00:06:30verbal CIA report, the most important thing is that there is a flow of information, I quote,
00:06:34between the government center and the presidential center, in
00:06:37this case the minister, coordinator, but... as we
00:06:41see after yesterday's meeting, between the Minister of National Defense and the
00:06:44President, can't it be like this, why did Mr. Przydacz utter
00:06:48these words about showing off, about it being
00:06:52a lie, about it being some kind of political
00:06:55theater, is it appropriate, Madam
00:06:58Editor, I honestly admit that I don't quite understand what this whole
00:07:02discussion is about,
00:07:04we are talking about security, we are talking about
00:07:07what is happening in this matter and on this and
00:07:11part of this... topic is obviously the cooperation of the President
00:07:15as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces with
00:07:17the government with the Polish army
00:07:21and this cooperation in comparison to other various
00:07:24areas is going very well, we are satisfied
00:07:28with this, we are happy about it and we are happy about it above
00:07:31all, that we have made enormous progress thanks to, and
00:07:34here the emphasis by President
00:07:38Donald Trump, thanks to the leadership of Karol
00:07:41Nawrocki, President. We have made enormous progress when it comes to
00:07:45strengthening our security through
00:07:48preparing a permanent US military base
00:07:51in Poland, all of this is happening in just a year,
00:07:54because I remind you that at a time when
00:07:57Americans are reducing their military presence
00:08:01in Europe, we are not only moving towards increasing the number of
00:08:05American troops, but also making great progress
00:08:08in preparing a permanent base, that is the most important thing, while
00:08:11returning to... this thread, which the editor started with,
00:08:15we are dealing with a situation where Prime Minister Tusk spoke
00:08:18imprecisely, the media picked it up and
00:08:22then,
00:08:23później,
00:08:27but a report can be oral, it can be, but there is no
00:08:31problem here, that's why I say that I don't really understand what needs to be discussed with Minister
00:08:34Przydacz, Madam Editor, I think that these
00:08:38are simply very, very serious issues, here.
00:08:42words, every word, as
00:08:44you can see
00:08:48now, every word is by the media,
00:08:51very scrupulously, as we can see, analyzed,
00:08:54here this imprecise statement, because if the Prime Minister had immediately said that it was
00:08:58an oral report, there would be no problem at all, I understand that you have comments
00:09:01about the Prime Minister, about Mr. Przydacz for that showing off, there aren't any,
00:09:05Madam Editor, well, I will say this, in a political
00:09:08debate we deal with various slogans, I absolutely...
00:09:13as for the merits of the case, with Minister Przydacz, and I am glad
00:09:16and I highly appreciate
00:09:20his work, if you agree with the minister that the Prime Minister
00:09:24showed off by talking about this CIA information, the Prime Minister
00:09:27is known for providing
00:09:31various information in such
00:09:34forms that later turn out to be not entirely
00:09:37precise, to put it mildly,
00:09:41what concerns me most in all this
00:09:45is the fact that because the Prime Minister very
00:09:48often, to put it bluntly, deviates from
00:09:52the truth, I am afraid of a situation where we will truly be dealing
00:09:55with a very serious situation, few people
00:09:58will believe this, I am asking again, because this is a very serious accusation that has just
00:10:02appeared, the Prime Minister often deviates from the truth, I understand, please
00:10:06correct me if I misunderstood, that in your opinion, in matters of defense and
00:10:09security, he also deviates from the truth.
00:10:33it was not like that, that in a situation where he would truly speak precisely, it would not be
00:10:37received. Jakub Stefaniak as Deputy Head of the Prime Minister's Chancellery,
00:10:41many accusations were made here against the way information is conveyed and generally,
00:10:45as I understand, against the building of this tension by the Prime Minister.
00:10:49So if you could address these accusations, ladies and gentlemen, first
00:10:52of all, if anyone deviates from the truth... it's rather right-wing politicians
00:10:56who even in this studio had the audacity to say
00:10:59that today the situation is safer than in
00:11:022022, when the escalation of the war in Ukraine began. This is
00:11:06nonsense and no one is scaring anyone here, but
00:11:09a responsible government and
00:11:12responsible governance also involves informing on an ongoing basis.
00:11:16Madam Editor, please allow me not to refer
00:11:19to any Twitter antics of individual officials
00:11:23of the presidential palace, but I will talk about specifics. Because they are very important today and
00:11:26a lot is happening in this area of ensuring security,
00:11:30both regarding the US base, it must also
00:11:34be emphasized that this has accelerated, but it is not
00:11:37the result of just one or two meetings, it is a process, we are in this
00:11:41process, there are numerous meetings, of course, of representatives
00:11:44of the President, but also of the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of National Defense with Pete
00:11:48Hoekstra, I think Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz meets
00:11:51most often when it comes to European politicians and
00:11:55this is very good, because the location of the base is
00:11:59practically chosen and this process
00:12:02continues, as I said, it is accelerating, but it's not just that, it's also
00:12:06strengthening the eastern border, wait a moment, that will be
00:12:09in a moment, however, there is also the issue of the eastern border, here too
00:12:13a lot is happening in the context of what we experienced on September
00:12:1717 with these alarms, there too, firstly,
00:12:20we are expanding the Eastern Shield, that is already over 3 billion for the Eastern Shield.
00:12:25Another several hundred kilometers of the border will be strengthened,
00:12:28the leadership of the Ministry of Defense announced this, the topic
00:12:31of the land forces helicopter base in Świdnik, for example,
00:12:35is returning, where the topic is also accelerating, I spoke about it recently in
00:12:38Lublin at a press conference, so we are working on several
00:12:42fronts, maybe I will surprise you, today I would like to thank the minister
00:12:45for such good cooperation and the signals from both Prime Minister
00:12:48Kosiniak-Kamysz and the presidential palace on the topic
00:12:52of the American base are consistent and coherent, and that
00:12:55is how it should be, but so it is not all rosy,
00:12:59but you know, this is also important, because we are also receiving disturbing signals that some
00:13:03of the right wing is trying to send emissaries to the US,
00:13:06to talk to the Republican party, with their representatives, in order to delay
00:13:10this process, if you allow me, because I will give you the floor in a moment, but
00:13:14I will clarify and then move on to MP Jabłoński,
00:13:17will you allow me, Mr. Minister, because you are probably referring to Adam
00:13:20Bielan's statement, am I right, I will
00:13:23not. gave an interview in
00:13:26which he said that the situation in the Constitutional Tribunal could
00:13:30escalate to such an extent that Donald Trump would become interested
00:13:34in it, and perhaps someone would tell Donald Trump what is
00:13:37happening, and the situation could end in such a way that
00:13:41if the government, if the current authorities continue such
00:13:44and such an attempt to resolve the matter in the Constitutional Tribunal,
00:13:48then perhaps Donald Trump would halt his decision to
00:13:51build American bases in Poland, well, to call it
00:13:55public blackmail is probably a bit of an understatement.
00:13:58If anyone, anyone, I won't point fingers, but if
00:14:01anyone goes to the States and asks
00:14:05Republicans to stop this process, they are a traitor,
00:14:08I cannot use another word for
00:14:11such a person and define them for a simple reason,
00:14:15today the establishment of a permanent American base in Poland will not
00:14:18be the success of one, two, or three political parties, it will be the provision of
00:14:22security, even greater security. Now
00:14:26Paweł Jabłoński, Mr. MP, Marcin
00:14:28Horała, who by the way was elected by the parliamentary
00:14:32majority as Deputy Speaker on Friday, said,
00:14:35referring precisely to the eastern border, to the
00:14:39Eastern Shield, that's why I remembered it, he said
00:14:42that, well, the Prime Minister is scaremongering, but as
00:14:46for strengthening the eastern border, very little is actually happening and there is too
00:14:49little information, did Deputy Speaker Horała get a bit carried away, or do you
00:14:53share this opinion? I do, I'll explain
00:14:56why in a moment, I just see that I have to make
00:15:00this formal reservation, I listened very
00:15:04on it, just as no one interrupted you, the editor also
00:15:07does not interrupt the government representatives, I interrupted and apologized for it,
00:15:11the minister was talking, you interrupted her every other sentence,
00:15:14I appeal, you keep interrupting me even now, when I am
00:15:18making a point, I must unfortunately stick to the facts,
00:15:21you don't have to, I have to, I appeal to
00:15:24you, Madam Editor, not to interrupt me, so I don't have to retaliate.
00:15:27Ad meritum, as for the Eastern Shield, these are not
00:15:30the words of this or that politician, but the findings of a French analyst
00:15:34described at the end of July
00:15:38on the ONET portal, ladies and gentlemen, the length of our eastern and northern
00:15:41border, i.e. the Kaliningrad Oblast, the Suwałki Gap, this short section with Lithuania and
00:15:45Belarus, is, ladies and gentlemen, 744
00:15:48km. Do you know how much has been secured? Over 2.5
00:15:51years, 2 and a half years ago Donald Tusk announced the Eastern Shield, there are two versions,
00:15:55ladies and gentlemen, 4 km, says one version, the other version says 11
00:15:58km, when I listen to Minister Stefaniak, who says:
00:16:02there will be another several hundred meters, this has been announced, Mr. Minister,
00:16:05my dear.
00:16:37I checked, because you could reportedly sign up through a citizen, military training was announced
00:16:41by Mr. Kosiniak, Kamysz, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defense, he announced it a year and a half
00:16:44ago, there is practically no military training, if someone tries
00:16:48to sign up, it always says no places, only a reserve list, no places, a reserve list,
00:16:51in a year and a half you reportedly trained 16
00:16:55people, but that's not even certain, because it's actually very difficult to get
00:16:59there, let's go back to the issue we started with,
00:17:02which is how Polish state communication looks like on
00:17:05September 10, a year and a half ago? "I received a report from the head of the
00:17:09CIA, maybe oral, maybe written, why then
00:17:135 days later on Polsat News, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defense
00:17:16Kosiniak Kamysz says: I haven't seen this
00:17:19report, for a week the Prime Minister didn't give
00:17:22the Minister of Defense this report, are you surprised that people are asking
00:17:26questions, are you surprised that there is chaos, why isn't
00:17:29Donald Tusk doing today what Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki did in 2021, when
00:17:33we received information from the Americans then, immediately in November."
00:17:47This is a show in the Sejm and saying Russia is dangerous, Russia is a threat, we all know that Russia is
00:17:50a threat, however, if there is new information, it is passed on under
00:17:53clauses, this is a different mode of operation, that is why, and here I agree
00:17:57with Minister Przydacz, Donald Tusk uses it for propaganda, but
00:18:00in reality I do not see any action either
00:18:02internally,
00:18:05but here.
00:18:07just briefly please, because both Mr. Biedroń and Mr.
00:18:11Rzepecki have not spoken yet, wait a moment, this really needs
00:18:15to be addressed, first of all, I will not maliciously
00:18:18remind you how we found the barrier built by
00:18:21the PiS government, Mateusz Morawiecki's government, how tight it was, although
00:18:25I won't say, 30, 30%,
00:18:29I also won't refer to how selectively you treat Onet,
00:18:32when it's to your liking, you quote it, when it's not, you say it's German
00:18:36media, this is not true, of course not true, I'll tell
00:18:39you more, the General Staff of the Polish Army states, Mr. MP, since
00:18:43you're talking about numbers, that 100 km and over 200 by the end of the year, this is not
00:18:47my information, but it is information provided on July
00:18:5031 by the General Staff
00:18:52of the Armed Forces, so the army is lying in your opinion, journalists
00:18:56say it's not true, but do you believe journalists or the army, I believe that
00:19:00if someone drove along the entire border, and that's how it was described, when were you at
00:19:03that border
00:19:06last, please.
00:19:37that in 2024, do you know how much
00:19:40your boss Morawiecki left for civil defense? Zero in
00:19:44the budget for 2024, moreover, he wanted
00:19:47to do, he wanted to do
00:19:49the liquidation of the RCB, the Government Security Center, and you know this perfectly
00:19:53well, what did we do? In the years 2025-26
00:19:57we allocated 34 billion for civil defense, currently we have
00:20:01over half a million people trained within the civil
00:20:04defense academy, you can sign up now.
00:20:42thank you very much for how courteously and politely
00:20:46you are behaving, please, just as the unnecessary confrontation between two
00:20:50centers of power was this passing the buck
00:20:53between Minister Przydacz and Prime Minister Tusk, so here in
00:20:56this studio there is also a passing of
00:20:59shared responsibility, and the one responsible for what
00:21:02is currently happening in our country is primarily
00:21:06the Civic Coalition, but also
00:21:09to some extent Law and Justice, but why
00:21:12the Civic Coalition? Primarily because it has been governing for over three
00:21:16years, and what has happened in the last three
00:21:20years? First example: shelters, do you know, ladies
00:21:23and gentlemen, how many shelters we had in 2023?
00:21:261900. Do you know how many we have in August
00:21:302026? These are data for the
00:21:33end of August 2026, about 1900
00:21:37shelters, which means we have even fewer shelters in the last
00:21:40three years than in
00:21:422023. Moreover, you talked about intelligence
00:21:46data, which is fire brigade data.
00:21:50You talked
00:21:54so much about intelligence data, of course intelligence data is the
00:21:57most important, so why are
00:22:00we annually reducing the military intelligence service budget?
00:22:04I will cite, in 2024 it was
00:22:07694 million, in 25 579
00:22:11million, in 26 464 million, for
00:22:14the end of 2027,
00:22:172027, do you know how much is planned
00:22:20for the military intelligence budget, only 404
00:22:24million PLN. Let's move on. Ladies and gentlemen, there is a saying,
00:22:27if you want peace, prepare for war. So why, in the last
00:22:31three years, apart from these
00:22:34shelters, have we not built
00:22:37additional ammunition factories, weapons
00:22:40factories, why are there no necessary
00:22:44reservist trainings, why have we not tested the defense
00:22:47system, not mobilized even one.
00:23:23on my right, in a moment you will also have the opportunity, please, I admit that it is very embarrassing, and I think the viewers also
00:23:26feel that way when they see politicians quarreling, arguing
00:23:30about such important, fundamental security matters,
00:23:32about
00:23:35things that are actually small, and every time Putin opens champagne
00:23:39in the Kremlin on this matter, when he divides us, yes, my dear sir,
00:23:43because if politicians allow themselves to do so in times
00:23:47when various kinds
00:23:50of
00:23:52no longer incidents,
00:24:00but real attacks from Russia,
00:24:03politicians allow themselves
00:24:06to call Polish generals
00:24:09concrete, because those were the words Mr. Błaszczak
00:24:12used, there are
00:24:15politicians, your colleague, I won't even
00:24:18say such things.
00:24:50The president meets with Deputy Prime Minister Kosiniak-
00:24:52Kamysz, a positive message is conveyed, when
00:24:56the initiative for a permanent US military
00:24:59base is launched, across party lines, we
00:25:02support it, and that's how we should act, it cannot be that when money
00:25:06flows to Poland, which we again negotiated in the European Parliament
00:25:09across party lines, 180 billion PLN for the
00:25:13SAFE program, the President, to spite the government,
00:25:16vetoes this money, for God's sake. There are
00:25:20things that need to be resolved across
00:25:23party political
00:25:25lines,
00:25:28authorities, but do all these questions that Mr. Rzepecki asked,
00:25:31do these comments that Mr.
00:25:33Jabłoński made,
00:25:37I will tell you from experience, this place, this
00:25:41place traditionally in Polish politics was the National
00:25:45Security Council, I had the opportunity to participate
00:25:49in the National Security Council.
00:26:02to play party politics on this security,
00:26:05instead of uniting, it divides, this is the biggest threat
00:26:09today, I appeal, not only on behalf of the
00:26:12Left, but I think millions of Poles, for the President to finally
00:26:16mature into his role and become a truly mature
00:26:20commander-in-chief of the armed forces and regularly convene
00:26:24National Security Councils,
00:26:26this will tone down emotions, it will curb political
00:26:30tensions.
00:27:03for the purchase of armaments in Polish factories, but there is something even more absurd,
00:27:06what is particularly important to me, a politician is accountable to
00:27:10society, we ensure this security through civil
00:27:13defense, PiS in 2022
00:27:16liquidated civil defense, you were so
00:27:19concerned that you repealed all existing
00:27:21regulations regarding civil defense, what did
00:27:25the current government do, not only did it introduce legal regulations,
00:27:28a special act that again introduced principles
00:27:31for the protection of Polish population, it also
00:27:35adopted a government program that provides
00:27:380.3% of GDP annually for
00:27:41investments in civil defense, which is about
00:27:4517 billion PLN, because for the years
00:27:482025-2026, 34 billion PLN is allocated,
00:27:52does a shelter get built quickly? No, a shelter doesn't get built quickly, and
00:27:56why has the number decreased, because we inspected these shelters that were in
00:27:59the list and it turned out that some of them didn't even meet the
00:28:02shelter standard. And there are specific regulations, for that
00:28:05today, I didn't interrupt you, I didn't
00:28:09interrupt you and I asked that, and aren't you ashamed,
00:28:12you didn't care about the civilian population, you repealed
00:28:16the regulations, you didn't allocate any financial resources for
00:28:19the protection of the population, and today you are shedding crocodile
00:28:23tears, now the program is in place, voivodes are distributing
00:28:26financial resources through local government, local
00:28:29officials submit applications and prepare such places of protection
00:28:33and shelters precisely to protect the civilian population, which
00:28:36from the point of view of the modern theater war, unfortunately, as the
00:28:40example of Ukraine shows, is exactly such a target as military targets.
00:28:44We will take care of border security and we will take care of
00:28:47the security of Polish women and men, which PiS did not care about. Jakub
00:28:50Stefaniak: Ultimate Building Machine, please read what
00:28:54this system is, before you groundlessly accuse
00:28:58anyone of anything. However, regarding the political environment that you
00:29:02represent today, because earlier, let's remember, you represented PiS
00:29:05and President Duda,
00:29:08I would like to refer to the Confederation environment, if
00:29:12anyone is to accuse anyone of issues related
00:29:15to ammunition production, it's certainly not you and Mr. Męcen, who voted against
00:29:19the SAVE program, thanks to which ammunition factories are being built in Poland
00:29:22exactly, and if we have, and if we have, please go to Kraśnik
00:29:26and see, for example, I won't give you all the lectures
00:29:29now, to check it, it's not
00:29:33secret knowledge, although sometimes I have the impression that we tell
00:29:37you too much, because we don't know where that information goes later, so smoothly
00:29:41moving on to the topic of the Security Council, it
00:29:43is also an example that the President also has a problem,
00:29:47because ladies and gentlemen, one must say clearly, if today
00:29:51pro-Russian forces are operating in Poland among politicians who call
00:29:54themselves Polish politicians, then how can the President responsibly
00:29:58invite such politicians to the Security Council? Why? So that
00:30:01information that is there... reaches unauthorized sources, well, this
00:30:05is illogical, and here I will defend the Presidential
00:30:08Palace after all, because I agree that sometimes it's better not
00:30:12to organize such meetings so that later
00:30:16not to invite representatives of those who are a pro-Russian
00:30:19party, and as for insulting,
00:30:23because cognitive warfare is also warfare in the information sphere, in
00:30:26the social media sphere, insulting Polish officers
00:30:30by the former minister, fortunately former,
00:31:15The President has not decided to convene the National Security Council yet in the current
00:31:18situation, and does he have a plan to do so in the near future? Ladies and
00:31:22gentlemen, the President will make a decision when he deems
00:31:26that such a need exists, he will of course
00:31:29convene such a council, but I mean now there is no need, the
00:31:33President is currently visiting New
00:31:36York, and most of this week, these are
00:31:40meetings within the framework of the UN
00:31:43General Assembly. Also a visit
00:31:46to President Trump, and the
00:31:49President is constantly working on our security with very
00:31:53good results, which we have already discussed, I will not
00:31:57repeat that, but I believe that
00:32:01the discussion about who said what, I mean,
00:32:05our security does not come from debates, all these
00:32:09arguments that were brought up, what happened
00:32:11in the real world over these three years, consecutive from...
00:32:16from Russia's aggression against Ukraine, well,
00:32:19they show, they expose, they expose that
00:32:22that not much is happening, but I
00:32:26want to draw attention to one more thing, because accusing the
00:32:29President that vetoing the SAVE program, i.e.,
00:32:33a loan, let's remember, a loan, these are not funds that we would
00:32:36receive for free from the European Union, but it is a loan
00:32:40on difficult terms,
00:32:43but I can finish the sentence. Please do, just please stick to the facts,
00:32:47I stick to the facts, we are talking about a loan, a loan in
00:32:50a situation where on the one hand we have a good economic
00:32:53situation, which Prime Minister Tusk very often refers to, the
00:32:57high economic growth, an unknown
00:33:00situation is how at this moment,
00:33:04when our economy is booming, because we have a very good
00:33:07situation also regarding demographics at this moment in the labor
00:33:11market, our...
00:33:15debt, our public debt is growing, with a growing
00:33:18economy, our budget deficit is growing, which is huge, and what's
00:33:21important, ladies and gentlemen, another rating agency
00:33:25has downgraded Poland's rating, which means credibility regarding
00:33:29repayment and indebtedness, this is a very
00:33:31important information, because this happened for the first time in
00:33:3422 years regarding Moody's agency,
00:33:38this indicates the state of our public finances and the credibility
00:33:42of the state, and what does this mean for every
00:33:46citizen? That we will incur, and we are already incurring, increasingly high
00:33:49costs of servicing our growing debt. How
00:33:53in such a situation do we want to build a strong army and
00:33:56arm ourselves, if we have increasingly bigger problems servicing our debt,
00:34:00which is growing exponentially? Such debt as Poland has
00:34:04today, it was not even in those most difficult times, which
00:34:07were very recent, I remind
00:34:09you of COVID, the beginning of the war in Ukraine, which
00:34:13resulted in a million refugees
00:34:15to Poland, and today we should have a much better
00:34:18situation, looking at how our economy is booming, this
00:34:22absolutely does not translate into the situation of public finances and
00:34:25indicates the complete incompetence of the government, as I
00:34:28announced, Paweł Jabłoński, but please allow me, Mr. Member, to ask one more thing, because I am
00:34:32curious about everyone's opinion, this week in the European
00:34:35Parliament, the annual address of the European Commission President,
00:34:39Ursula von der Leyen, took place. I am reading your mind, this is dangerous, and she said
00:34:42many things about defense, about security,
00:34:45and suggested that it would be worth considering a project
00:34:49somewhat like a supplement, as
00:34:52I understand, to what NATO is doing, namely
00:34:56a European something, within the framework of
00:34:59a certain, yes, a certain copy of Article 4 of the North
00:35:03Atlantic Alliance within the countries of the European
00:35:06Union, so I would like you to say a few words on this topic at the beginning. I emphasize that I listen
00:35:10to you carefully, I did not interrupt, it's mutual, it's very important that
00:35:13this context. Because the President of the European Commission, apart from
00:35:17the idea that she wants to create some kind of NATO copy, I don't quite understand why, because
00:35:20NATO is actually working effectively both in terms of Article 4 and Article 5, what's more,
00:35:24NATO is enshrined in the treaty, not many, I don't know if you know this, but in
00:35:28the Treaty on European Union there are also references to cooperation with NATO, in the Treaty on European
00:35:32Union, in the Treaty on the Functioning of the European
00:35:33Union,
00:35:37it's not an interruption, but you ask why, perhaps because Americans want to withdraw 50% of their troops from
00:35:40Europe, but Americans also, Americans, wait a moment, I understand that there are
00:35:44such things raised in the argumentation, except that the American
00:35:48administration, through this diplomatic pressure, some say even
00:35:51undiplomatic, that Trump attacked so harshly that European countries spend too little,
00:35:55so European countries started to spend more, in this respect
00:35:58the process is not all yet, that's true, but it has improved, I think
00:36:02you gentlemen will agree that here this undiplomatic,
00:36:05even very harsh action by Trump was also in our interest, but do you like this
00:36:09idea, I don't quite understand why duplicate something that is currently
00:36:12working,
00:36:14duplicate. You yourself said it's a copy of something, right, so NATO, in my opinion, worked
00:36:18efficiently, also after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. However, Ursula von der Leyen
00:36:22said something else in her speech and this refers to what
00:36:26you gentlemen said. She said that
00:36:30instead of continuing this SAVE program according to the existing
00:36:33assumptions, the next calls will be allocated to projects in
00:36:37Ukraine, I have nothing against the European Union
00:36:40continuing support for Ukraine, but you see, I abstained on
00:36:44SAVE, because I wanted to give this project a chance, but when
00:36:48I see how it is being implemented, that the deadline is very short, there are
00:36:51unrealistic, unrealistic requirements, some projects cannot be completed
00:36:55in this time, it will turn out
00:37:47guts turn over when you listen to this, but really, a rebellion
00:37:50grows if you hear about this argument all the time, the safe loan,
00:37:54everything was loaned, Korea was loaned,
00:38:06except for the purchase of American military equipment under the
00:38:09Foreign Military Financing program, then you say nothing, you only complain about the loan under
00:38:13the SAFE program, and I apologize, but I believe it's not a fair
00:38:16approach to the matter, Łukasz Rzepecki, please, it is a fair approach to
00:38:20the matter, Madam Editor,
00:38:23there was a loan, there was a loan and here is a loan, here is a loan for...
00:38:57annually for arming the Polish army, but
00:39:00we are spending these funds
00:39:03irresponsibly. Why irresponsibly? Why, because
00:39:06we have very bad regulations, we have
00:39:10over-bureaucracy, we should move towards
00:39:13deregulation of Polish laws, we should first
00:39:16and foremost move towards legal changes facilitating arms
00:39:20production, increasing competition in the market
00:39:22for supplies to the Ministry of National Defense, civilian
00:39:26services.
00:39:30you know it, don't laugh, ladies and gentlemen,
00:39:33at this, because we are talking about arming the Polish army and how
00:39:37inefficiently we spend Polish money, that's why this
00:39:40loan is not needed by us in any way,
00:39:44moreover, you do so many things wrong and there is so
00:39:48much incompetence in your actions that I have to have it
00:39:52noted down to tell you about everything, so that the viewers
00:39:55don't fall for your propaganda. We're changing the subject,
00:40:15I'm also addressing you here, because we're going to talk about fuel prices, that's
00:40:19also definitely something that keeps many
00:40:22of our viewers awake at night, also gentlemen, refer to the issue of security
00:40:26and defense.
00:41:00and paid for in the US will be about five years behind schedule in implementation, gentlemen, wake up,
00:41:04ladies and gentlemen, we order equipment from Polish factories, it was
00:41:07Polish arms companies that said, yes, we are able
00:41:11to deliver this equipment within these deadlines, second argument: you are spending money
00:41:15irresponsibly, well, that's a joke, it was the military
00:41:18who said what we are spending money on under SAFE, not
00:41:21politicians, not Błaszczak, who flew to Korea and bought
00:41:24planes without armament, well, you
00:41:27disgraced yourselves during your rule, we are putting it in the hands of
00:41:31experts. Third argument: we are increasing
00:41:34the defense capabilities of the Polish army, of course, but
00:41:38how do we do it intelligently? If the money goes, I will give
00:41:41the example of the military aircraft factories in Łódź, a service
00:41:45center for Apaches, for example, is being built there, it is not only important
00:41:48to buy equipment, that is 30, 40% of the cost
00:41:51during the use of a given combat equipment, we
00:41:54provide service locations, we
00:41:57provide, we provide that during your time, only
00:42:03Karakni ladies and gentlemen,
00:42:07today the problem with you was that you only talk.
00:42:31That guarantees us that this equipment will arrive and we are increasing
00:42:34Poland's defense capabilities, because we are developing
00:42:36our own,
00:42:39I get it, because
00:42:40Polish
00:42:48right, I don't know if you realize this, it is
00:42:51the only right-wing opposition in the European
00:42:54Union that voted against the SAFE program, there
00:42:58was no other such case,
00:43:01Polish right-wing has some strange
00:43:04characteristic that it loves,
00:43:08just like today...
00:44:10come into being, well, because Americans are withdrawing
00:44:13from Europe, not only in terms of, but also
00:44:17the burden of responsibility, one very important base
00:44:20and we need to fight for it across
00:44:24divisions, among the 750 permanent
00:44:26American bases worldwide, this should also show
00:44:29us the perspective, but only the Polish right has this
00:44:33perspective, well, ladies and gentlemen, we have 13 minutes
00:44:37left of the program, I wanted to light
00:44:48up, regarding the services,
00:44:51this is also an important piece of information, the head
00:44:54of the Ministry of Defense's report, I didn't see it, but he didn't have to see it when he was talking to the coordinator
00:44:58of the services about it, but that's not
00:45:00it,
00:45:02that there is a civilizational difference between us and you
00:45:07the fact that we do not negate.
00:45:24armament, no one broke them like Mr. Macierewicz, that's the civilizational
00:45:28difference, but as for the CEIV program, ladies and gentlemen,
00:45:31we have changed the philosophy, today Poland not only buys,
00:45:35but also produces and sells to our allies,
00:45:38these funds. 99% of the funds from the
00:45:41SAFE program go to the Polish arms industry, and it is hypocritical
00:45:45to see Confederation politicians, PiS, Mr.
00:45:48Morawiecki was also at the arms fair in Kielce, everyone was taking
00:45:51sweet photos with the BWP in Boborsuk, which was just created,
00:45:55Canadians are already interested in this project, we will sell it,
00:45:58not only the Polish army will use it, that's the main problem, but
00:46:02now,
00:46:03now,
00:46:07it was created much earlier, no safe at all.
00:46:17June 22, 2026,
00:46:20President Karol Nawrocki, today this arms industry will develop,
00:46:23among other things, thanks to the credit that went to Poland from the European
00:46:27Union credit, even Karol Nawrocki praised the SAFE program, it did
00:46:31not pass his lips in official propaganda, but in a factual
00:46:34way he referred to it at the security
00:46:36summit,
00:46:40So, as I promised and announced, we will now deal with
00:46:44fuel prices, because indeed, they
00:46:47are already reaching historical levels.
00:46:50Of course, the discussion continues about the reason. Donald Trump claims
00:46:54that it's Ukraine bombing Russian refineries, but it's clear
00:46:57that midterm elections are approaching, so he doesn't mention the situation in
00:47:01the Middle East, in the Sinai, Hormuz and so on. However,
00:47:05the government is not resuming the
00:47:08money for it in the budget. For the second time, it passed
00:47:11a law under which excessive profits of fuel
00:47:15concerns are to be taxed, which President Karol Nawrocki opposed, and the
00:47:18president himself also prepared his own bill concerning fuel prices, but the only problem is that...
00:48:08PKN, fuel costs normally, President
00:48:12Karol Nawrocki wants to introduce normality in
00:48:15terms of fuel prices, the Prime Minister himself suggested there was such
00:48:19a report, the Deputy Prime Minister said there was such a report, but he had no
00:48:23access to it, meanwhile yesterday we learn that maybe there was no
00:48:26report, well, this is a frivolous treatment
00:48:29of Poles,
00:48:32Mateusz Morawiecki broke in here, we didn't give him the floor today, so some imp
00:48:36jumped in here, regarding
00:48:39the report, nevertheless we
00:48:42are not returning, we are not returning to the topic of the report, I have a question
00:48:46for the Minister immediately and I really ask for time discipline, because
00:48:49there is little time, there is a presidential project...
00:49:23march, I want to give you one number: out of the eight or
00:49:26nine zloty today that fuel costs at the station that
00:49:30we refuel at, the price of crude oil is 2 zloty
00:49:3448 groszy, this is the same price that
00:49:37it was more or less when, when the war in
00:49:41Ukraine began, and then we filled up with retail
00:49:45fuel at stations for about 5.70,
00:49:48this is the first thing, so from these
00:49:522.5 zloty to today 9 zloty,
00:49:55all the rest are fees, taxes and margins,
00:49:59Orlen's margins in the vast
00:50:02majority, now what is the difference between the government solution
00:50:05and the solution proposed by the president, which I hope
00:50:09will be, and the president hopes, will be considered
00:50:13by the Polish parliament and there will be a debate and discussion
00:50:17and solutions will be adopted, because it can be done,
00:50:20you don't have to shape
00:50:24the fuel market this way, but the difference primarily lies in the fact that, according to
00:50:27the president's project, margins would be limited
00:50:30by law, which would significantly
00:50:33reduce the price per liter by 0.5 to 2.60
00:50:37zloty, this would entail, of course,
00:50:40a relative reduction, a relative
00:50:42reduction,
00:50:50groundless.
00:52:14Germany, Italy, the countries of
00:52:17Benelux, and how does it work? If we have extraordinary profit
00:52:21from March, it can be taxed, and all this money
00:52:24can be allocated to fuel price subsidies. Representatives
00:52:28of the president say that you cannot impose taxes
00:52:31retroactively. Lie, you can, the European
00:52:34Union, other countries, even Donald Trump wants to
00:52:37tax American fuel concerns. The president's
00:52:41project is a huge threat, why? Today we have
00:52:45competition, not in market prices,
00:52:48but competition for fuel purchases. We tax extraordinary profits
00:52:52that occurred in the past and in accordance with the law and
00:52:55we want to allocate them to help citizens. Unfortunately, the president
00:52:58turned out to be a lobbyist for fuel concerns, he prefers the interests
00:53:02of fuel magnates, including Mol.
00:53:45I have a request for all of your viewers and also representatives
00:53:49of the Presidential Palace to go to the website, on Twitter, on
00:53:52the press office profile of Orlen, there President Fonfara, on
00:53:56building blocks for small children, explained what it's all about,
00:53:59maybe you'll understand when you watch that film, but
00:54:03it's nonsense, Mr. Minister, that if...
00:54:05we adopt the government bill and the President doesn't throw it in the trash
00:54:09again, then fuel prices will be higher, because we have already
00:54:12shown that the CPN program, the government's lower fuel prices, works. Miłosz
00:54:16Motyka set fuel prices overnight, there
00:54:20was no way for those prices to go up, don't
00:54:22tell, exactly, don't tell people fake
00:54:26news, because it really is, today we have
00:54:29a situation where the president defends
00:54:32large corporations, concerns,
00:54:43when you refuel, you pay CPN, President
00:54:46Nawrocki's prices, that's the reality today, that's the real
00:54:50CPN in Poland today, because President
00:54:53Nawrocki, unfortunately, defends certain mistakes
00:54:56that the Polish right also made in the past,
00:55:00the original sin, ladies and gentlemen, was
00:55:03the merger, the fusion.
00:57:05not a one-time, one-shot, which may or may not
00:57:09be effective, but a permanent mechanism, if the price of
00:57:12a barrel of oil exceeds 80 dollars, then an automatic refund to the
00:57:16driver's pocket, not to... you are identical
00:57:48to the politicians of Law and Justice, because for the
00:57:51umpteenth time you have proposed a statutory solution that aims
00:57:55to increase fuel prices, not to decrease them. A real decrease is
00:57:58a decrease in VAT, a decrease in
00:58:00excise duty,
00:58:09it was supposed to be 5.19,
00:58:13after all, the only solution when there was a shortage of fuel in Poland.
00:58:58at 9:30 next week, and now the kindergarten is moving outside the studio, see you soon.
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