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00:00:22elections are a gift for you, but I'm not sure
00:00:24if you will perceive
00:00:27them in this way.
00:01:00an absolutely incompetent
00:01:02president, he started a war with
00:01:05Iran, which had catastrophic
00:01:08consequences, he started it without any
00:01:11reason, and these elections, although
00:01:15they are congressional elections, in essence these elections became
00:01:19a referendum on trust in Trump, the American people said
00:01:22no, they said to Trump, no, you do not represent
00:01:25our interests, and we no longer want you to fight with...
00:01:31we no longer want Israel to continue its aggressive
00:01:34wars, and I think, although,
00:01:38of course, this is still just a conjecture, I
00:01:41think the American people do not
00:01:44want the Ukrainian war to continue either, they certainly
00:01:48do not want the United States
00:01:51to continue providing financial and other assistance
00:01:54to Ukraine, dragging out this
00:01:56war.
00:02:12Americans do not want to orchestrate regime change in
00:02:15Iran, Americans
00:02:18are not interested in all these
00:02:22projects, all this hegemony, for them, the economy
00:02:25is important,
00:03:01but I would say this: this
00:03:03situation is not unique to the US. Everyone is tired
00:03:07of war. In Europe, everyone is also tired
00:03:09of war. Those parties that advocate
00:03:13for supporting Ukraine are rapidly losing popular support. And in
00:03:17Israel, we saw the same thing last week, when
00:03:21Netanyahu lost his majority in the Knesset, and I think
00:03:25he will soon lose his post. So,
00:03:28most voters in the US.
00:03:30And in Europe, in Israel, everyone says the same thing,
00:03:34everyone says: "We are tired, we are fed up with these wars,
00:03:38we no longer want to be
00:03:40ruled by these warmongers who have
00:03:44some grand visions of how the US will rule the entire
00:03:47world, we just want to live peacefully,
00:03:51earn money, so that prices are
00:03:54affordable and so on. Again, maybe I'm getting
00:03:58ahead of myself, because..." in the Democratic Party there
00:04:02are also many warmongers, such people are not only
00:04:10it was Biden, who started this
00:04:12war, the Democrats lost the elections in twenty-
00:04:16four, for exactly the same reason that
00:04:20the Republicans lost in twenty- six, both parties
00:04:24proceeded from this warlike
00:04:27mentality, but... I
00:04:30think, maybe now politicians will draw some
00:04:34conclusions, they will understand that if
00:04:37you want to stay in power, you need to advocate for peace,
00:04:40using diplomacy is much easier and cheaper than war, I absolutely agree with your
00:04:44analysis, why Trump
00:04:47lost, but I'm not
00:04:51sure what we can expect from
00:04:54the new Democratic majority in
00:04:57Congress, because ... no,
00:05:00of course, they don't want war,
00:05:03but do they believe that the United States is involved in the war
00:05:07in Ukraine? Trump just said that he
00:05:11supports it.
00:05:55in Iran, there is a war in Palestine, there is a war in
00:05:58Ukraine, and there
00:06:01is
00:06:03strategic rivalry between the US and China. So
00:06:07now, if you take, for example, the Biden
00:06:10administration, the Democrats. back then they took hawkish
00:06:14positions on three of these four
00:06:16issues,
00:06:20they were not particularly aggressive towards Iran, but regarding
00:06:23Ukraine, they acted very harshly, they
00:06:27wanted Ukraine to fight this war and
00:06:30defeat Russia. It's clear that this is absurd, but the Democrats
00:06:33firmly believed in it. Israel, they also
00:06:36fully supported
00:06:37it,
00:06:41and they ignited a trade war with
00:06:45China, not a military conflict, of course, but a very
00:06:48harsh competition, so
00:06:51the Democrats, of course, were not a party of peace, not at all,
00:06:54they, of course, didn't listen to me, but I warned them,
00:06:58I warned some important people in that party that
00:07:02they would lose the elections in twenty-four because of foreign policy, and so
00:07:44Of course, Trump can start something, but now I personally
00:07:48very strongly doubt it,
00:07:51the president cannot now act completely independently,
00:07:54the vice president just said that it was a political
00:07:57catastrophe, this war was a catastrophe,
00:08:01just now the people unequivocally
00:08:04spoke out for an end to this war,
00:08:08so I am quite optimistic in this regard.
00:08:18Zionist lobby in the US, I still think that Trump will not now
00:08:22resume the war.
00:08:26Well, besides, Netanyahu.
00:08:29I think that in the near future he will disappear from
00:08:32the political
00:08:33scene.
00:08:38Let's see if the Israeli opposition is ready
00:08:41to stand united? Front with Arab
00:08:44parties, this would be the only reasonable
00:08:53Russian position,
00:08:56if they refuse to stand together against Netanyahu,
00:09:00but I believe that Netanyahu's days as
00:09:03a politician are numbered, maybe again I'm getting a little ahead
00:09:07of myself, but I think that this will be
00:09:10a lesson.
00:09:14And regarding
00:09:15Iran,
00:09:19Vance said that regarding Israel, Vance
00:09:22said that aid to Israel needs to be re-evaluated,
00:09:25Trump expressed himself in the same vein, now
00:09:29in the Michigan elections Abdul
00:09:32El-Sayed won,
00:09:34who also categorically opposes providing
00:09:37support, providing aid
00:09:47to this, Michigan is a very important state in
00:09:50terms of, among other things, the presidential elections of twenty-
00:09:54eight,
00:09:58so Israel must understand that if it wants to survive,
00:10:01it needs to make a turn towards
00:10:10Russia.
00:10:14for Russia, it's clear
00:10:16that we have many Russophobes in Congress, many senators,
00:10:19Russophobes, but I want to say again, and
00:10:23the election results showed the fatigue of the American
00:10:26people, Americans no longer want
00:10:29to hear about foreign policy, about all these endless
00:10:32wars, for Americans, what's important
00:10:36first and foremost
00:10:39are prices for housing, for
00:10:42fuel, for education, for healthcare,
00:10:46that's what concerns them, that's what they want to talk about first
00:10:50and foremost, so
00:10:53many of the Democrats who...
00:11:19And I really hope that this signal will be
00:11:22heard.
00:11:25because I don't think that
00:11:28Americans will want congressmen
00:11:31to now allocate new aid to Ukraine, I don't
00:11:35think that Congress will agree to allocate any additional
00:11:38funds. I think that this will bring closer the end
00:11:41of the war and bring closer a diplomatic
00:11:50wanted
00:11:50to say.
00:12:25that the US will behave quietly and will not particularly
00:12:28stick its neck out in this situation, especially Trump, he suffered
00:12:32a defeat, he became a lame duck, he is weakened,
00:12:36he will not escalate with
00:12:44of Americans, which was clearly demonstrated during these
00:12:47elections, I don't think that the US will pursue a warlike
00:12:51policy towards China, now regarding Europe. if Europeans
00:12:57in the current situation think that they will now come to Ukraine's
00:13:02aid, they will save it without the US, I
00:13:05think this is complete
00:13:06madness,
00:13:10and the Prime Minister of Norway
00:13:12spoke,
00:13:14and the President of Finland, Stubb, spoke with Putin, and even
00:13:18Zelensky, even
00:13:20Zelensky.
00:13:26who does not reflect the true interests of the Ukrainian
00:13:30people, even he, in my opinion, for the first time in many years
00:13:33said, we need to take into account Russian
00:13:36security concerns,
00:13:42said: we need to establish diplomatic contacts, it's clear
00:13:46that he advocates for igniting war, but his
00:13:49rating has dropped so much that even Merz started talking about
00:13:53dialogue and... The US will not
00:13:56interfere in this, maybe, of course, I am mistaken, maybe
00:14:00I am naive, maybe I am overly optimistic, but I
00:14:04still think that the voter's voice is still
00:14:08worth something, it is still important, especially
00:14:11when elections end with such a
00:14:14decisive defeat, I think conclusions will be
00:14:17drawn, Irena Chernenko wants to ask you a
00:14:21question, dear Professor Sachs, you mentioned.
00:14:55create problems for him, he will have more freedom on the external
00:14:59front, or will his hands essentially be tied now and
00:15:02he will have to actively engage in domestic politics,
00:15:06problems, investigations, which the Democrats are already promising
00:15:09to launch against him, so he will not be at all
00:15:12concerned with peacekeeping or
00:15:13Ukraine.
00:15:25I don't think that the Democratic Party will now be engaged in
00:15:29trying to resume aid
00:15:32to Ukraine from the US,
00:15:35to win by doing so.
00:15:39in twenty-eight, any candidate who will advocate for
00:15:42providing aid to Ukraine and allocating large quantities
00:15:46of weapons or money, will lose in twenty-eight
00:15:49elections,
00:15:53because no one will vote for such people,
00:15:55therefore
00:15:58I think that
00:16:01the Democratic Party will not
00:16:03organizedly oppose peace, that is, if yes...
00:16:38just look at his last speech on the eve of the elections, he
00:16:42there talked about that pond in Washington that he
00:16:46repaired,
00:16:48constantly he talks about how he
00:16:51built a ballroom in the White House, how he built
00:16:55a helicopter pad, sometimes he speaks absolutely
00:16:58incoherently, says some incomprehensible
00:17:00things,
00:17:03but in general, one should not expect Trump to organize
00:17:06some kind of... very complex multi-move, he is
00:17:10not capable of this,
00:17:13I know that many will find this
00:17:15unlikely, but I think that peace will come not
00:17:19through Trump, not thanks to Trump, but thanks to the fact that Europeans
00:17:22will finally say, enough, let's stop this war,
00:17:31are tired, they are confused, they tried,
00:17:34they tried to prepare.
00:17:40but there are already signs
00:17:42that in Europe a split is appearing,
00:17:45a split has emerged between the pro-war faction
00:17:49and the peace faction, we just recently
00:17:52saw what happened in Bulgaria, in Bulgaria
00:17:56voters spoke out in support
00:17:59of peace, so I think in the coming weeks, possibly
00:18:02we will see that European leaders
00:18:04will say, it's time to
00:18:08agree that Ukraine should be a neutral country, abandon NATO
00:18:16which we have neglected for many years, but let's see, let's see, we'll live
00:18:19and see what happens in the coming weeks, in general, I think that peace
00:18:23will come not thanks to Donald Trump, who will suddenly
00:18:26carry out some brilliant, super complex
00:18:29operation, I think he is fundamentally incapable of that, he doesn't have the
00:18:33abilities for that, you recently published a book
00:18:36about... Europe, as far as I understand, it's called
00:18:40The Strategic Error of Europe, why
00:18:43Europe's anti-Russian policy turned out to be dangerous and erroneous
00:18:47for the European continent itself, could you briefly
00:18:51tell us what it's about and most importantly, how it was received in Europe, maybe there's already
00:18:55some initial
00:18:55reaction?
00:19:00I wrote this book, in which I say that
00:19:03Europe for the most part pursues.
00:19:46England in the 1840s,
00:19:48and I specifically researched why
00:19:52this phobia began, not because of some specific actions of Russia, but simply
00:19:56because the English perceived Russia as a threat
00:19:59to the interests of the British
00:20:00Empire.
00:20:20They thought that Russia posed some threat to their empire,
00:20:24that's why England started the Crimean War, not because of
00:20:28the actions of the Russian Empire, but because
00:20:31Lord Palmerston decided to block Russia's access to the Black
00:21:20their Russophobia, in the end they themselves
00:21:23paid for it,
00:21:27because this anti-Hitler coalition was created
00:21:30too late, naturally, the biggest
00:21:33price was paid by the Soviet Union, it was the Soviet
00:21:37Union that bore the main losses, but
00:21:41this coalition could have been created much earlier, then the losses
00:21:45would have been much less, but they didn't go for it then,
00:21:48then after the second...
00:22:23I am absolutely convinced that the Cold War could have been
00:22:27prevented. I understand that not everyone will agree with
00:22:31this thesis, but
00:22:34back in 1952, Stalin proposed
00:22:37the reunification of Germany, and
00:22:40Adenauer said, the German Chancellor, it's better that Germany
00:22:44remain divided than it be neutral,
00:22:47you see how tragic a mistake. Well then,
00:22:51naturally, there was an episode where I was directly a witness
00:22:54and participant, this is the period of Gorbachev and Yeltsin,
00:22:58everything there was absolutely clear,
00:23:01peace was proposed, cooperation for many, many
00:23:05generations, and the US essentially said:
00:23:08no, we don't need any cooperation, we want
00:23:12to dominate, we want to be
00:23:13the hegemon,
00:23:17to unite Germany, they promised:
00:24:20security,
00:24:22there was once Willy Brandt's Ostpolitik,
00:24:26a new Eastern policy, there were
00:24:28the Paris agreements, eighty-nine, ninety, we
00:24:32came so close to creating
00:24:34such an architecture of indivisible security,
00:24:38which would take into account the interests of both Russia and European
00:24:42countries, everyone, not just NATO's interests, but the US
00:24:45constantly interfered, the US wanted to be the hegemon,
00:24:49wanted dominance. countries
00:25:02is most important: Americans are tired, they
00:25:05are tired, this is a classic situation when
00:25:08an empire constantly strives for expansion, at a certain point
00:25:11such a moment comes
00:25:14when people are just tired, the empire is unable to expand further,
00:25:17it begins to decay. The world is becoming
00:25:21multipolar, Russia is a great power, China is
00:25:24a great power, the US,
00:25:26India,
00:25:29in the world there is no longer this situation where the only superpower
00:25:33was the US, this is a delusion they
00:25:36believed in at the end of the Cold War, but
00:25:39the American people, they are wiser than their leaders,
00:25:43their leaders,
00:25:46who say that we must rule the whole world and we can...
00:25:50arrange a coup in Iran, Ukraine
00:25:53must belong to us, we will surround Russia with our military
00:25:57bases, this is complete nonsense, this is complete absurdity, and
00:26:00it's all outdated, the world has long since become multipolar, it's much
00:26:04cheaper to live in harmony than to constantly
00:26:07try to attack each other,
00:26:11and people understood this, in America, in Europe, in Israel,
00:26:15people understood, so they voted the way they voted, they said:
00:26:19stop, this is costing us very dearly,
00:26:23prices are soaring, we don't want to be the hegemon, we want to live
00:26:26peacefully, so politicians need to listen to the voice
00:26:30of the people, politicians must...
00:29:02Therefore, we need to put aside all this foreign
00:29:05policy, because it will not bring us victory in the next
00:29:09elections. And now all
00:29:12American politicians will only be thinking about the elections of twenty-
00:29:16eight. Now this is the most important question: who will become president in twenty-
00:29:19eight? And a person who pursues an aggressive policy, or
00:29:23proposes to pursue it, will certainly not win. Professor,
00:29:26thank you very much, of course, to understand
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00:35:46Jeffrey Sachs is a wonderful person and
00:35:49an outstanding scientist,
00:35:52that's why his
00:35:53optimism is so
00:35:56infectious,
00:35:59but in the case of optimism, as in the case of other contagious
00:36:03diseases, you need to know
00:36:05your limits, and of course, when you are in
00:36:09the center of this game, and he is in the United
00:36:12States, and he is still a Democrat. Not
00:36:15a Republican, at least in terms of his political history, I don't
00:36:19know how he voted in these elections, then of course
00:36:22he is prone to rejoicing, he has reason
00:36:26to rejoice, but... we are not in the United
00:36:29States, we are here in Moscow, do you see any reason for us
00:36:33to rejoice? Not yet, on the one hand, of course,
00:36:37esteemed Professor Sachs is absolutely right that it was
00:36:40anti-war sentiments within the US that became
00:36:44one of the main reasons why the Republicans lost, but
00:36:47Americans, of course, voted against
00:36:50the administration of Donald Trump and against the war unleashed by him
00:36:54against Iran, and not just because these are some... philosophical
00:36:57sentiments, the main reason is that because of this
00:37:01war, prices for energy, for
00:37:04gasoline, for diesel, rose, this caused an acceleration of inflation,
00:37:08almost all categories
00:37:10of products, services, and so on became more expensive, that is, Americans felt
00:37:14the cost, the high cost of this war on their
00:37:17wallets, and this caused such a rejection
00:37:20of the foreign policy actions of the Trump administration, which ultimately
00:37:24became the main reason, along with his
00:37:28inept tariff policy, which led to the defeat
00:37:31of the Republican Party in the elections, and yes,
00:37:34there are indeed such sentiments among voters,
00:37:37Republicans, among Democrats, especially Democrats of a slightly more
00:37:41left-wing persuasion, that they believe that the administration should
00:37:44focus more on domestic problems, those very
00:37:47costs of housing, education,
00:37:50medicine, and so on, that is, in this he is absolutely right,
00:37:54but when we look at the statements of the Democrats, the willingness
00:38:07to compromise, the willingness to
00:38:11settle, no, we have seen how
00:38:14they have acted so far, for example, now, diesel
00:38:18deal, yes, it is the Democrats who are doing everything
00:38:21to prevent a single Russian tanker with
00:38:25diesel from reaching the territory of the United States and not...
00:39:57prices for everything that should be delivered,
00:40:00airplanes, cars and so
00:40:02on.
00:40:06In addition, Iran, of course, is much weaker
00:40:09than Russia militarily, but they are inflicting real
00:40:13blows on American bases in this region, they
00:40:17are killing American servicemen, they
00:40:21are creating problems for America, blocking the Strait of Hormuz, absolutely
00:40:24accurately, when they talk about the conflict. In
00:40:28Ukraine, in the United States
00:40:31they generally don't see how this can severely affect
00:40:35them. From my point of view, this is chicken
00:40:38blindness. And, probably,
00:40:42if we were to go into a direct conflict with the United
00:40:45States, then they would very quickly understand
00:40:49why they are making a tragic
00:40:52mistake, but for now
00:40:56we are concentrating on confrontation with
00:40:59Europeans, or rather they are concentrating on
00:41:02confrontation with us, and we are behaving
00:41:06restrainedly, but still, when we
00:41:09discuss this conflict, we draw
00:41:12a distinction between the United States and Europe,
00:41:16as if we treat the United States with greater
00:41:19tolerance, which creates in the average
00:41:22American a feeling
00:41:25of indifference to this conflict, except for those
00:41:28groups that have a clear Russophobic
00:41:31position. In the case of Palestine,
00:41:34for example,
00:41:37he mentioned the elections in Michigan.
00:41:40In Michigan, the demographics now
00:41:42mean that there is a large
00:41:45category of voters from the Middle East,
00:41:49Muslims, for whom blind support
00:41:53for Israel is far from
00:41:54a blessing.
00:41:57I don't see similar groups of voters in America
00:42:01who would support Russia, maybe I'm missing something.
00:42:05No, you are absolutely right, Dmitry, that the war,
00:42:08the Ukrainian conflict, it for...
00:43:10right in the long term, because American
00:43:13demographics, when it ceases to be an Anglo-Saxon
00:43:17society, when it is more and
00:43:20more a society multifaceted and in
00:43:24many ways not based on European values,
00:43:27all of which will hinder
00:43:30the traditional American orientation towards Europe,
00:43:34traditional American hegemony, but that is in
00:43:37the long term, and... at
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00:47:38our baskets we replenish a big sale we'll
00:47:42buy everything prepare your hands hands
00:47:46bent
00:47:4811:11 sale on Ozon discounts up to 90% on
00:47:52clothes.
00:48:52new Congress, but
00:48:54Trump still remains for another 2 years in the Oval Office of the White
00:48:58House, do you expect any changes in American foreign
00:49:02policy?
00:49:05American foreign policy in many
00:49:07aspects is a product of the domestic policy of the United States,
00:49:11all internal political battles that Republicans wage with Democrats, they
00:49:15inevitably reflect this, but the fact
00:49:17also is that the executive branch has more
00:49:21leverage for...
00:50:22the entire process around President Trump, I think that these are all still
00:50:26premature conclusions that can only be drawn
00:50:30as events unfold,
00:50:33an important circumstance is also that the current defeat of President
00:50:37Trump was a product, was the result of his mistake,
00:50:40an unforced error in the war against Iran
00:50:43and some colleagues said that
00:50:46voters were tired of expansionist
00:50:50active American foreign policy.
00:51:24boats, which were shot from
00:51:27the air, without even establishing
00:51:30who was on them and what they
00:51:33were carrying, it was absolutely beyond
00:51:37the scope of law enforcement
00:51:39practice, and the fact that precisely
00:51:43unsuccessful, ineffective foreign policy
00:51:46actions led to an increase
00:51:50in costs for the American voter.
00:53:05when I first came to the United States, I attended
00:53:08congressional hearings, just sat and listened,
00:53:12and of course, the hearings were good and
00:53:14varied, but still, they invited
00:53:17witnesses from both sides,
00:53:20and there were both
00:53:23senators and House members who tried to use
00:53:26the hearings to understand what
00:53:29was happening, now
00:53:33you are absolutely right, this is...
00:57:05from my point of view, a false feeling that the United
00:57:09States won the Cold
00:57:11War,
00:57:14and the losing country.
00:58:17foreign policy presence in the world -
00:58:20is primarily a product of American
00:58:23pressure. Americans were indeed the main rival for
00:58:27the Soviet Union, but the crisis in which our
00:58:30country found itself - more than 30 years ago, was caused
00:58:33predominantly by internal reasons.
00:58:36I am surprised that the current victors
00:58:39of the American elections - do not focus on, in my opinion,
00:58:43the key issue of American viability, at least, the viability
00:58:48of their global leadership, this
00:58:52grandiose federal debt, the servicing of which has
00:58:55already become more expensive than their
00:58:58astronomical military budget, this is a large
00:59:02number of expenses for
00:59:05foreign policy presence in different parts of the world, which are already
00:59:09difficult to bear in themselves,
00:59:12this is an advantage in terms of the current
00:59:16personnel strength of the Chinese navy over the American
00:59:19navy, and this is a series of unforced
00:59:23errors regarding security issues in various international
00:59:27crises, this is Ukraine, this is
00:59:29Iran, in the middle of last
00:59:32year, figures in the military department
00:59:36of the United States began to insist on determining
00:59:39the exact position of Japan and the Republic of Korea regarding a possible
00:59:43military crisis around Taiwan, that is,
00:59:46tension is growing, therefore. this question,
00:59:48this series of circumstances inevitably
00:59:52raises the question of how
00:59:54healthy the foundations of American influence are,
00:59:58how healthy their currency is, how healthy their debt
01:00:01borrowings are, how capable they are of pursuing such
01:00:05a policy, without regard to the cost of this policy, to the cost of these
01:00:09expenses, and I see few of these arguments, strangely
01:00:12enough, with these arguments Republicans came to power
01:00:162 years ago.
01:00:48but it is unequivocal that in our dialogue with the United
01:00:52States, especially under the second
01:00:55Trump administration, there were encouraging
01:00:58moments.