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00:00:00That means when you look at the data now, for example, the words of the vice president of America are not
00:00:03a single dish. The JCPOA was for a period
00:00:07when there was no talk of Trump, but Trump came and trampled it,
00:00:10but in Venezuela, in the end, we see that what
00:00:14has happened, that is, the axis of American foreign policy, because
00:00:17I understand that many methods of foreign policy will change,
00:00:21but foreign policy in America in
00:00:24the end does not change much with the change of governments. For example, you can look at this in relation to China.
00:00:27Obama must
00:00:45war is the product of the behavior of the Islamic Republic. The Islamic Republic that
00:00:49creates proxies and officially
00:00:52comes and says in its diplomacy and foreign policy
00:00:56that I want to annihilate such and such a country, it is actually considered war.
00:01:30He was the leader of the resistance movement against Nazism, and
00:01:32Petain was the leader of a government that collaborated with Nazism.
00:01:36What conclusion do you want to reach? I'm telling you that when you become
00:01:40the language of war, you help that foreign government
00:01:43that has been planning to attack Iran
00:01:47for years. For example, when Isaac
00:01:50Rabin and Shimon Peres wanted to
00:01:53sign the agreement for the government,
00:01:56who Charles de Gaulle got support from the governments that fought against
00:02:00Nazism. But he didn't become their voice,
00:02:04meaning de Gaulle succeeded. You see,
00:02:07de Gaulle was first of all in the French army. He was 48 years old, not outside the country,
00:02:11he was in the French army. He succeeded in gaining the support of
00:02:14Roosevelt in that period.
00:02:18Have you ever seen anyone gain the support of Trump? Just
00:02:21yesterday, we saw how beautifully the US Secretary of State spoke about
00:02:25ancient Iran in Greece.
00:02:28It is Islamist.
00:03:01Yes, in the Islamic Republic, which is an enemy, in foreign policy, in foreign
00:03:04policy, sanctions and war are tools, not goals.
00:03:08Because a government based on national interests cannot
00:03:11go to war without national interests.
00:03:15And in fact, no opposition can act against national interests
00:03:19in the name of opposition. There are three groups that have the same discourse
00:03:22in the past year. One of them is a part of America that we even
00:03:26saw in the Democrats. I saw someone of Iranian descent from the Democrats
00:03:30on TV the other day who said, "Let's go bomb them easily."
00:03:34There are Republican neoconservatives who,
00:03:37I have seen their hatred of Iran in their words for years. One of them
00:03:41is the Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir faction who spoke of destroying
00:03:45Tehran in the 12-day war, up to atomic bombs and so on.
00:03:49And there is a faction in Iran that is steadfast and so on, for whom war
00:03:53is a blessing. Who has benefited from circumventing sanctions? The profiteers and a part of
00:03:56the opposition that we don't have
00:03:59is 100 times more responsible than the Islamic Republic
00:04:03that we are fighting against. They also use the same discourse.
00:04:07Why, for example, on November 7th
00:04:09in Germany, we are witnessing that
00:04:13the freedom prize, because it's a very interesting
00:04:16example, is being awarded to the Prince
00:04:19because exactly, it is written in the text of the award that he
00:04:23represents, and then it was very interesting to me that a group
00:04:26of activists came and corresponded with
00:04:32No, it's not like that. And then again, in his answer, he says, look, there are groups,
00:04:36there is diversity, but he represents the largest movement.
00:04:40So I'm here with you,
00:04:43this organization is the decision-maker. We were talking about the US government,
00:04:46no, I want to say that you see, Mr.
00:04:50Ahmadi, to make it clear what you are talking about, this is an award
00:04:53given by a German think tank,
00:04:57and as you said, they
00:05:01say that the person they know is Prince Reza
00:05:04Pahlavi, and
00:05:08about 80 German personalities,
00:05:11some of whom are former politicians, some of whom are academics, public figures, came
00:05:15and protested, saying that he is the only
00:05:19representative of the voice of the Iranian people, and according to
00:05:22them, he has even created a rift among the opposition. I do not
00:05:26accept that the diaspora necessarily says
00:05:29what is the desire of a
00:05:33specific group. At least, I am a person whose
00:05:37actions are more focused on civil society. Well, I see that during these
00:05:40seven or eight months, what was previously imagined in Iran, for example,
00:05:43about the Islamic Republic, that if we come in millions, the Islamic Republic will be eliminated,
00:05:47in the society itself, it has turned into
00:05:51us needing to change our methods. Now, if
00:05:54the Prince comes and mentions it in an interview or a report,
00:05:58it doesn't necessarily mean that he is speaking his own mind.
00:06:02It means that he is also monitoring the internal data
00:06:06and trying to play the essential role of
00:06:10a knowledge base that now the Islamic Republic wants to use for propaganda.
00:06:42I can't sit here silently and not criticize Iran
00:06:46but immediately criticize three American soldiers. Excuse
00:06:49me, dear America, this and that. Or that there is no talk about
00:06:53the Dena ship, about the young people who were killed, for nothing,
00:06:57for nothing. If someone on the other side has a big Israel project or
00:07:01wants to do anything, that's their problem.
00:07:04If they want to create a failed state in Iran, let them do it. But
00:07:08here, the opposition and I must confront them, not play their game.
00:07:12You see, when we say that humanitarian aid is on the way,
00:07:16military forces have joined me, people come out. Then
00:07:19we say that Starlinks have arrived. We didn't
00:07:23see any of these. Iranian society was in complete darkness for 3 months.
00:07:27We must accept mistakes. These are not tactical mistakes,
00:07:30these are lessons dictated,
00:07:33in my opinion, by the Netanyahu government.
00:07:37And it's not just the movement of Prince Reza Pahlavi. There were other
00:07:40factions too. When they come and say we armed this, and then
00:07:44he sits in front of the media and says, "I'm ready to go to Iran,"
00:07:48and an American sits across from him and says, "I'm waiting to see where it gets liberated."
00:07:52Well, that means collapse, it means disintegration, it means civil war.
00:07:55What does it mean for us to want a certain ethnic group? Mr. Mark
00:07:59Levin writes every day, "Arm the Iranian people." He allows himself to come and support him,
00:08:02and he doesn't say a word. In
00:08:05Israel, one strategy is to disintegrate Iran. So we know this.
00:08:09The groups that but the Prince never, I want
00:08:13to emphasize that he, well, I say he, other groups
00:08:16also, at least the groups that we know are pro-Iran,
00:08:20have always shown their independence
00:08:23with these repeated positions, preserved it, and are not
00:08:27willing to accept any foreign policy
00:08:31from any government.
00:08:33Why
00:08:35did they support arming the Iranian people from this very UN
00:08:39organization on Fox News? This is an evolved
00:08:42method of struggle. I mean, I'll give an example. For example, during
00:08:46the Constitutional Revolution, you know, at one point, I said
00:08:50the diaspora came and produced books, created ideas,
00:08:53but it wasn't just those books and ideas that led to victory.
00:08:57In the end, Sattar Khan and Baqer
00:09:00Khan were also added. I mean, I want to say that this is the evolution of our
00:09:04lived experience in the fight against the Islamic Republic. A
00:09:07humanitarian catastrophe occurred in December. This was not
00:09:10a failure. First of all, according to Reza
00:09:14Pahlavi himself, they once said they started from 12,000 and
00:09:18it reached 40,000. These numbers went up so much. They say so many people
00:09:22have been killed. So this is a responsibility
00:09:25on their shoulders. I mean, you can't put people in harm's way,
00:09:29and then the Mossad spokesperson says, "Come," and then you don't accept it. Then he
00:09:32comes on Fox News and says, "Give me the blocked money," which is
00:09:36propaganda, because we know how US law is after the Carter era. Money
00:09:40is not given to anyone. "Give this to me. Let's send these
00:09:43armed people, these reformers, to Iran." Arming
00:09:47the Iranian nation means creating civil wars,
00:09:50it means creating a paper bankrupt government that will turn Iran into something
00:09:54like Syria and Lebanon, where they will come and bomb it every now and then,
00:09:57and destroy it. This has been discussed in other programs,
00:10:00but Ms. Golestan, your position
00:10:04also has serious criticisms. That is, you who believe
00:10:07that the diaspora abroad should be the voice of the Iranian
00:10:10people. One of the comments
00:10:14I read on social media says that
00:10:18when you become the voice of the Iranian
00:10:21people, well,
00:10:25you are actually saying that someone should experience it and I will
00:10:29be the loudspeaker, and then because you have more linguistic
00:10:32capabilities, because you have access to foreign media
00:10:36abroad, when you become our voice,
00:10:39gradually our voice inside becomes like your voice,
00:10:43and this is what happened. I got this from social media. That is,
00:10:46the constant voice of
00:10:50the diaspora abroad had made it so that the internal voice was not heard much.
00:10:53This didn't happen during the war. This itself
00:10:57is a criticism. Look, when we say being a voice, it has a political
00:11:00definition. Look, for example, when Mandela
00:11:03took over the leadership
00:11:07and came out of prison and started a dialogue with
00:11:09the South African government, it's very important to talk.
00:11:12This point many committees
00:11:16existed all over the world, and these committees
00:11:19worked and cooperated in a coordinated way, and
00:11:23there they succeeded in achieving a non-violent
00:11:27report. But these committees did not take the place of the internal voice
00:11:31of South Africa. Their voice did not
00:11:34take its place. No one is supposed to take anyone's place. We are supposed to
00:11:37be able to reflect without wanting to get on board with a movement
00:11:41or take advantage of a movement, or vice versa.
00:11:45I mean, becoming the voice of foreign governments. You yourself said before the program
00:11:48that the voice of the Iranian diaspora
00:11:52caused them to sell this war to the government.
00:12:25Iranian personality, whether pro or anti-Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi,
00:12:28hosted him there to the point that Egypt would say, "Don't come this year." My point is that
00:12:32your statement that the diaspora
00:12:35should be the voice of the Iranian people
00:12:38also has issues. No, I don't think so.
00:12:42When we can lobby in our own position,
00:12:46we can convey the voice of the interior, as you said, around a set
00:12:48of fundamental values like human rights,
00:12:52like secular democracy. You
00:13:25must be the voice. All my words are that the diaspora must find a common
00:13:28language, and it must be able to
00:13:32create interests. For example, after the Strait of Hormuz and the events that happened,
00:13:35today this ground has been laid for us to create
00:13:39common interests that will involve other diasporas. Even today, for example, China,
00:13:43even if you sit with the Chinese opposition, they will not accept
00:13:46that a government comes and appropriates a truly international
00:13:49trade route for its own benefit.
00:13:52So today, this opportunity, until yesterday, we had
00:13:55the opportunity to only talk about Israel,
00:13:59because Israel was the opposite and the target of the Islamic Republic's attack.
00:14:03Of course, the Israeli diaspora is one thing,
00:14:06but in the end, Israel and the Israeli flag are another.
00:14:10Today, the Strait of Hormuz, in my opinion, has created this opportunity
00:14:14for the diaspora to expand its commonalities
00:14:16and find allies and be able to
00:14:20and I emphasize again, for me,
00:14:23the national and pro-Iranian movement is a priority,
00:14:27and I base all my distinctions
00:14:31on this. What should the Iranian diaspora do regarding the Strait of Hormuz, in your opinion?
00:14:34I mean, should it defend that the Strait
00:14:37of Hormuz is not the mistake that the Islamic Republic
00:14:41made? For example, you are seeing its impact in Europe. It has created
00:14:44dissatisfactions in the economic
00:14:48then the ear of that European official is more open today as to why we are still talking about
00:14:52the danger of this current situation, which is caused
00:15:07by the Islamic Republic, and the Islamic Republic must be removed. This is something that Europeans know,
00:15:11they know from where. Europeans have been dealing with the Islamic Republic for 47 years. Why
00:15:15shouldn't they know what to do? Europeans, when
00:15:19Mr. America attacked Iran, came and asked for help.
00:15:22Because Netanyahu went to the White House 7 times,
00:15:26excuse me, 7 times, and said, "Attack, attack, attack." Her point, madam, is that
00:15:30her point is that
00:15:33the situation in the Strait of Hormuz and its impact
00:15:36on economies.
00:15:47the financial system of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and consulates and
00:15:51there are many strategies and tactics that for example in South Africa, which is also
00:15:54an example for you, have been experienced. Now today
00:15:58in fact, you should have political partners who are
00:16:01in fact decision makers and come and help you.
00:16:05The example of South Africa is a very good example of the point
00:16:12we were making, which was to say that the Islamic Republic is like South
00:16:15Africa, an apartheid. Now, that is racial apartheid, this is gender
00:16:18apartheid, and in fact, the representative of human
00:16:22rights of America at the UN, that
00:16:25lady, said it very beautifully, and then she was sidelined because global
00:16:29politics apparently didn't want it to go this way, and this discussion
00:16:33was closed. Right? So Europe is not
00:16:36an important decision-maker. It is one of the important players.
00:16:39The reality is that one of the important decision-makers is sitting in Washington.
00:16:42Washington wants to implement the peace project of
00:16:462025 in the Middle East, and here it is moving
00:16:49various actors forward through its representatives, Donald Trump,
00:16:53for example, in the region, such as Saudi Arabia,
00:16:56Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, sitting together to form
00:16:59a kind of NATO and so on, and see how they can bring about
00:17:03these changes in Iran so that they can bring this
00:17:07stability to the Middle East together, so that some investments can enter there.
00:17:11Now, what is my point? My point is that when we
00:17:15say, for example, Europeans, come and talk about the Strait of Hormuz,
00:17:18they themselves, the price of gasoline has gone up and the damages, and when America attacked
00:17:22Iran, they came and asked for help. Coincidentally, one of those who responded
00:17:26was Macron. Macron, the President of France, replied, "Well,
00:17:30did you ask for our opinion before attacking Iran so that now we should participate in this war?"
00:17:33Because they knew and said, "We know this will lead to an economic
00:17:37catastrophe, a crisis will be created." Then, from the other side, they go and
00:17:41provoke the countries of the Persian Gulf. They provoke them to say
00:17:45that the three islands, for example, belong to a country that is 78
00:17:48years old. Israel, Netanyahu, I understood, madam. The three
00:17:51islands, for example, excuse me, a country that came into existence 780 years ago, they say, "Go."
00:17:55And he says, "Come." Then a group of opposition comes on television
00:17:58and defends it. Yes, very
00:18:01groundlessly, for example, they target the countries of the Persian Gulf. I say, "No,
00:18:05that's Iran's territory." It's national sovereignty, and then
00:18:08the government. First, Iran must exist so that we can discuss
00:18:12it. Let me just mention a very important point that remains
00:18:15unsaid, Ms. Golestan.
00:18:18Theories are one thing, but the circumstances
00:18:21that befall a movement or
00:18:25a political movement
00:18:27are another thing. Those who talk about
00:18:31the role of the diaspora and its efforts
00:18:34to reflect the voice of the people
00:18:38or even lead and represent the voice of the people
00:18:41say that the political deadlock
00:18:45inside will inevitably place this responsibility
00:18:48on the diaspora and its representatives
00:18:52abroad. Despite the failures,
00:18:54shortcomings, and lobbying that you say
00:18:58is wrong, we are facing an existing situation
00:19:01that we must use. This is the gist of what
00:19:04those who may also be critical say. They may be critical
00:19:08of this or that movement, of dancing in the street with the Israeli flag, but
00:19:11they say there is no other way. Don't you think
00:19:15you are overlooking this? I mean, no other representative within
00:19:18the government is allowed to emerge.
00:19:22Outside, the representatives
00:19:25of the opposition are losing the trust
00:19:28of the people one after another, and in the end, the movement that becomes
00:19:32the dominant movement becomes the voice
00:19:36of the people, or, according to him, the representative of the people. No, you see, again, I
00:19:40repeat, during the Women, Life, Freedom Revolution, we had no
00:19:43specific leadership, but we saw what cultural,
00:19:47social, and political revolution it brought with it, and now
00:19:51civil campaigns are the same. That is, when you have a non-violent civil
00:19:54resistance movement starts in a country
00:19:58and becomes a national
00:20:00will, becomes a national will, no power can stand against it.
00:20:04If we assume, for example, this opposition
00:20:08or even those who represent a part of the opposition, after all, every
00:20:12group has some supporters, right? They come and start
00:20:15a movement that political prisoners in Iran should be released. Suppose 2
00:20:19million, 3 million, 4 million in Iran oppose or oppose
00:20:22executions. Now, before the execution, excuse me, let me say this, 4
00:20:25million people in Tehran go in front of the Ministry of Justice, which we don't have, well, it's called
00:20:29that. They stand and only chant that this social pressure
00:20:32will have an effect, like the women's movement, which no one thought
00:20:36would happen. That's why these non-violent civil
00:20:39pressures are what work. You see, the government of the Islamic Republic, today,
00:20:43is not the government of the Islamic Republic before the killing,
00:20:46the wilayat-e faqih, Ali Khamenei. He is not the one who is now the wilayat.
00:21:20The deadlock in Iran is fulfilling a movement abroad. Of course, there is also a footnote, Mr. Ahmadi, that
00:21:24you must answer, which is that this movement that has dominated
00:21:27abroad as the main movement
00:21:31of the diaspora has dominated because
00:21:35it shouts louder.
00:21:39You yourself admit that here it intimidates
00:21:42and actually marginalizes
00:21:45other movements or pushes them to the fringes. Therefore, it's not easy to say that abroad
00:21:49we have a movement that has dominated
00:21:52and lobbies, and other governments
00:21:55recognize it, and therefore, they must officially recognize it,
00:21:59because in what process has this become
00:22:02the dominant movement or is becoming
00:22:05it? I see its origin again within Iran
00:22:08itself, because, as I said, there is the experience of 2022, there is the experience
00:22:11of the charter, which actually inclined
00:22:15the diaspora and that product, which is understood in the form of the charter.
00:22:19What we are experiencing today was the gap that the people,
00:22:23that is, the legitimacy that the people inside did not give to that movement,
00:22:26and they did not understand the movement that way. They trusted
00:22:30someone else. Again, I say I don't know the coefficient of this trust
00:22:34to be 100, but they trusted someone else and a different
00:22:37method. But what I constantly
00:22:41emphasize and you distance yourself from
00:22:44is that when you are actually interpreting
00:22:47or analyzing Iran, you isolate it from a world where
00:22:51politics is international. Partners are not just
00:22:54America; China is also a partner of the Islamic Republic. We
00:22:57cannot analyze the situation in a vacuum. Politics is the art
00:23:01of the possible. You
00:23:03constantly insist on why the knowledge base went for this, went for that. Well,
00:23:07I said it went for this, I said why it became their language, why
00:23:10it became their proxy. The Islamic Republic also goes for its partners, and then
00:23:14we don't accept it. Please let me, my job is to accept
00:23:17or not accept that politics
00:23:23should not follow the same methods as the Islamic Republic. No, the methods
00:23:27of resolving, actually, creating
00:23:30global interest, which the Islamic Republic does not create for China.
00:23:33China has interests. That's why I say when you are talking about
00:23:37foreign policy, look at all the actors.
00:23:41If, for example, France has a plan
00:23:44for itself, this does not mean that this plan, the discussion of interests,
00:23:47in fact, you want to say that interests beyond
00:23:51Iranian interests, the part you belong to, can also create a common
00:23:54language with Israel, and can use this
00:23:57opportunity. And the second point is, if I am part of the diaspora, I must
00:24:01also have an active role. Just sitting and criticizing
00:24:05in the morning, in fact, more than helping the diaspora, it seems
00:24:08that I am indirectly helping the anti-movement,
00:24:12because it also wants very much. This is the same
00:24:15rhetoric that anyone who criticizes exactly,
00:24:20anyone who criticizes the Islamic Republic and in the past two years, anyone who has criticized
00:24:23the monarchist movement or Reza Pahlavi himself,
00:24:27exactly this label is attached to them: either leftist, or Mujahed, or
00:24:30Islamic Republic, or Mullah, or, for example, "Death to sophistication!" Such
00:24:34a huge division in the opposition really
00:24:38required an art that was done in two years.
00:24:41It required an art, for example, yesterday this video came out, for example,
00:24:45a female political prisoner, whether we like it or not, Narges Mohammadi
00:24:49is giving four.
00:25:20minutes of podcasting. We continue here until the end of this week's Pargar.
00:25:23Thank you for watching this discussion, as well as the guests
00:25:27of the program, Nazila
00:25:29Golestan and Abdolreza Ahmadi.
00:25:33And before the end of the program, a point I read
00:25:36in connection with one of our previous programs
00:25:39about the breaking of friendships due to political
00:25:43differences. I found it interesting
00:25:46and thought I would share it with you in this
00:25:50program. It's a study that showed that in America,
00:25:53liberals and opponents of Trump cut off more
00:25:57friendships as a result of political differences.
00:26:01Again, liberals had more experiences of breaking off friendships
00:26:04compared to Trump supporters. In this study,
00:26:08it is said
00:26:09that liberals, meaning
00:26:13supporters of the Democratic Party, opponents
00:26:16of Trump, said that they could not tolerate
00:26:19friendship with someone who supports Trump, and this
00:26:23was interesting to me. I think this
00:26:26is debatable. I wanted to share it with you to see if you think
00:26:30this is due to the excessive subtlety of liberals
00:26:34or the intolerance of Trump supporters.
00:26:37And I must also add that we
00:26:41have put a QR code on the page for you
00:26:45through which you can find the list of programs
00:26:47on BBC Persian YouTube.
00:26:51You can find almost all of our previous programs
00:26:54through this. Have a good day and night, everyone.
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00:27:55We ourselves had sheep when the lake had water.
00:27:59We had 2000 sheep. Now we have 200.
00:28:14Hamoun, for the sake of its people. Once upon a time, Hamoun
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00:30:19Headlines. I can say that now we have reached
00:30:21a two-day plan. Tehran announces readiness
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