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00:00:00Freedom, equality, news.
00:00:15Hello and welcome to a one-on-one on France 24, our
00:00:19guest is Ehud Barak, former prime minister
00:00:22of Israel. He joins us from Tel Aviv. Thank you very much, Mr. Barak, for being
00:00:26us. Thank you. The
00:00:30election results are in. The coalition led by Prime
00:00:34Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came in first with 53 seats,
00:00:3815 fewer than in the previous Knesset. The opposition platform led by former Chief
00:00:42of Staff Gady Eisenkott
00:00:45won 48 seats, and two Arab lists
00:00:48won 19 seats, a
00:00:51record. The election was largely seen as a referendum on
00:00:55Netanyahu, who is still supported by
00:00:59a good number of Israelis. What do
00:01:02you think? How do you explain
00:01:03by visiting the beautiful region of this? First of all,
00:01:07I would like to make a comment on the election
00:01:09results. In the current
00:01:12government, Netanyahu has the
00:01:15support of 68 Knesset members.
00:01:1952 members are against him. This time, it's
00:01:23the opposite.
00:01:26He has 67 members against him and only
00:01:3053 in his favor. If we
00:01:33compare these results to a French system,
00:01:36Eisenkot would have
00:01:39won.
00:01:42It's only if we ignore, for one reason or another,
00:01:45the Arab parties
00:01:48that Netanyahu can win, but they are Israeli
00:01:52citizens, they have the right to vote.
00:01:55The Declaration of Independence promises them
00:01:59representation within all institutions
00:02:02according to their size in the
00:02:04country, so this presentation is
00:02:08misleading. Netanyahu did not win, he lost by
00:02:11far, but on the other hand, the change bloc led by
00:02:14Eisenkot won.
00:02:18But Netanyahu managed to delegitimize the Arab
00:02:21vote. If he was
00:02:24consistent with his past position, he could have taken
00:02:27it seriously, but no. Let's think about what
00:02:31Netanyahu would have done if it had been the opposite.
00:02:35Mansour Abbas, who leads the
00:02:38got infected. My general practitioner small Arab party of 8 deputies,
00:02:42stated that Netanyahu had invited him three
00:02:45times to his residence
00:02:48in the past to convince him to form an alliance with
00:02:52him. I have known Netanyahu for a very long time,
00:02:56for decades. I tell you one thing.
00:03:02Today,
00:03:06They are undoubtedly involved at all levels of Netanyahu could immediately invite Mansour Abbas, offer him the position of Minister of
00:03:09Interior in a government or accede
00:03:13to his demands. He could invite the leader of the other
00:03:17party, Ahmed Tibi, make him Minister of
00:03:20Health,
00:03:24and he would completely ignore the criticisms that could be leveled
00:03:28against him, the same criticisms.
00:03:30talk about integrating Arabs into Israeli politics, but I do it, I act, and he wouldn't have the slightest
00:04:00You... you keep an eye on it like cognitive dissonance, he only does what suits him and Eisenkot
00:04:06should do the same thing.
00:04:08Yes, but the problem is that Eisenkot
00:04:11himself and his allies, except for the
00:04:15leader of the Democratic Party, Mr.
00:04:19Golan, have declared, "We
00:04:21slots the day before for the will not form a coalition with the
00:04:24Arab parties." So what to do, change his mind
00:04:27or simply stick to his initial
00:04:30position? But of course he can change
00:04:34his mind. This is, moreover, in Israeli
00:04:37culture. What I said is undoubtedly
00:04:41a bit too detailed for the French
00:04:44viewer, but if Netanyahu had been in the same situation as
00:04:48Eisenkot, he would not have hesitated for a single second to go back on his
00:04:52promises. Moreover, for 4 or 5 years
00:04:55now, there have been many elections,
00:04:58too many in Israel. But every time, he has changed
00:05:01his mind. Once I was asked to
00:05:05define in one sentence the difference between Eisenkot and
00:05:08Netanyahu, two men I have known for decades. I
00:05:12said: Eisenkot cannot lie, he
00:05:16is physically incapable of it, he will start to
00:05:19sweat and stutter. Netanyahu, on the other hand,
00:05:23cannot tell the truth, he lies as he
00:05:26breathes, he doesn't pay at restaurants when he
00:05:30goes, he changes his political position all the
00:05:32time.
00:05:35You have to know who your rival is. If it's
00:05:39Netanyahu, what do promises matter?
00:05:43Go back on your promises, as Netanyahu would
00:05:47have done.
00:05:50Mr. Barak, we have heard allegations
00:05:54of potential foreign funding of Arab parties.
00:05:58An investigation has been launched by the Shin Bet. Qatar
00:06:01has been accused, but firmly rejects these
00:06:04accusations, as has the electoral commission.
00:06:08But the Netanyahu camp claims this proves that the election was...
00:06:17That's a very good question,
00:06:21but what good can the Qataris do, who have
00:06:24active agents, who work for them, who
00:06:27are paid within the inner circle of
00:06:31Netanyahu's collaborators, who work
00:06:34during a war, and during this time who
00:06:37are paid by
00:06:38Qatar?
00:06:44Israel's secrets leak them
00:06:48to Bild, the German newspaper, to
00:06:50influence the perception of Netanyahu,
00:06:54Israel, their behavior, and Qatar compared to other countries like
00:06:57Egypt,
00:07:00so why would he want to help Netanyahu's
00:07:03opponents? The most likely
00:07:06explanation could be
00:07:09this, because there is a contradiction.
00:07:22of his close collaborators, who are paid by them, that Netanyahu will be
00:07:24helped if he leaves
00:07:28traces indicating that the
00:07:31Arab parties
00:07:34support the change bloc. By
00:07:37doing so, he kills two birds with one stone. First of
00:07:41all, he disrupts Arab
00:07:44participation. He can say that the election
00:07:48was rigged. On the other
00:07:51hand,
00:07:54he can blame others. In
00:07:58Israel, this is called
00:07:59Qatargate.
00:08:03Netanyahu has his closest collaborators working
00:08:07for the enemy, but he can say, "No, no,
00:08:10no." "They don't work for
00:08:14me.
00:08:18Israeli politics to disrupt the situation, but these are fake
00:08:22news." The real
00:08:26suspect
00:08:28should be Netanyahu's collaborators and government.
00:08:32Several reports warn that Netanyahu might strike Iran just before
00:08:36the election. This could also happen
00:08:39after the American mid-term elections. Is this
00:08:43threat serious and what could be the impact on the next
00:08:46government?
00:08:51When I started answering interviews in
00:08:53Israel,
00:08:56I said that Netanyahu is a desperate, trapped
00:08:59animal, ready to do anything to stay in
00:09:02power,
00:09:05to overcome the criticisms against him. I raised
00:09:09the idea that Netanyahu would even...
00:09:28"How can you dare to think that? But now everyone is
00:09:32talking about it. Netanyahu is ready to
00:09:34do it.
00:09:38It has nothing to do with Israeli national
00:09:41interest against the Iranian nuclear
00:09:43program. There is not the slightest
00:09:46information making an
00:09:50immediate attack against Iran
00:09:53necessary.
00:09:56Nothing prevents us from delaying any
00:10:00decision by 2 to 6
00:10:03weeks, until a new
00:10:06government, responsible and not
00:10:09biased by personal interests, comes to power,
00:10:13motivated only by the nation's interest, and
00:10:16decides if it's necessary or not. In
00:10:19addition, Netanyahu says
00:10:21now that he can change the regime.
00:10:25Probably, the previous attacks last
00:10:29February had precisely this objective,
00:10:32a 40-day attack to change the Iranian
00:10:35regime within the
00:10:38new framework described by
00:10:42Trump, and now Trump says, after the
00:10:46midterms, that he will help Israel in a very
00:10:49brief campaign to overthrow the regime, but that's
00:10:53ridiculous. It didn't happen in Vietnam, in
00:10:57Iraq, in Afghanistan, or anywhere
00:11:00else in the world. This reflects the
00:11:03illusions of people who need it for their political interests. It has
00:11:07nothing to do with reality, and Netanyahu plays this game
00:11:10fully. He says there could be a miscalculation
00:11:14on the part of the Iranians. The
00:11:17Iranians are fierce rivals and not
00:11:20stupid. They fully understand that
00:11:23any war against Israel and the
00:11:27United States benefits
00:11:30Netanyahu. He can
00:11:33delay the formation of a new
00:11:36government, and it also helps
00:11:40Trump. The Iranians have no
00:11:44interest in starting a war. Any
00:11:47statement by Netanyahu saying that he has
00:11:51information that could make one believe,
00:11:55or not, that the
00:11:57Iranians are planning something, these are fake news, it has nothing to do with
00:12:01reality. Ehud Barak, thank you very much for answering the questions
00:12:04of France 24 and thank you for following this edition of tête-à-tête
00:12:08on our channels.
00:12:34Long waiting times and patients
00:12:37trying everything to get an appointment. I left
00:12:41at 4:30 in the morning to be there at 6:00. I have 120, 130
00:12:44km to travel. With three dermatologists per 100,000
00:12:48inhabitants, France is experiencing an unprecedented shortage of
00:12:51specialists. It's just that there aren't enough of us
00:12:55to be able to take care of all the patients who need it.
00:12:59Carcinoma, cutaneous melanoma, 200,000 new
00:13:02cancers are detected every year. For me, it was
00:13:06impossible, and when you're 28, you don't expect this type of
00:13:09diagnosis at all. While needs continue
00:13:12to increase, how can we deal with the shortage of
00:13:15caregivers?
00:13:49And this dermatologist's office is already packed.
00:13:51craquer.
00:13:55Mr. Frédo, hello. Jean-François is going to have
00:13:58a cutaneous melanoma removed. Are you doing well?
00:14:01Thank you, please have a seat. A particularly serious skin
00:14:04cancer if not treated
00:14:07quickly. In dermoscopy, which is the magnifying glass we have here,
00:14:10there are different criteria that should alert us. You have small circles
00:14:14there, you have small lines here. With
00:14:18time, this cancer crosses the epidermis and can
00:14:21spread to the rest of the body.
00:14:25a hawk. Tell me if you feel
00:14:28anything, even a tiny bit. We
00:14:31remove the
00:14:32melanoma
00:14:35and send it for analysis, and then we'll see Mr.
00:14:39Frenot in 15 days. To be able
00:14:41to treat this type of emergency, Doctor Prudhomme opens his
00:14:46next day. No, I had already operated on him in the melago. When I open at
00:14:496 p.m., a day fills up in 3 minutes. So, in fact, what I often said is that we
00:14:53could open 10 such descents in the street, uh, we would still
00:14:57fill up just as much. The shortage is huge.
00:15:00So, Mr. Frénot, safe travels, be careful on the road. With three
00:15:03dermatologists per 100,000 inhabitants and entire
00:15:06departments without specialists, getting an
00:15:09appointment takes an average of 6
00:15:11months.
00:15:14Doctor Pierre Haman advocates for increasing the numerus clausus,
00:15:18in other words, the number of residents trained each
00:15:20year. It's only been a short time and so
00:15:25only about ten years that the numerus
00:15:28clausus has been increasing quite significantly, except that
00:15:31dermatology, unlike all other specialties, has not
00:15:34benefited as much from the percentages of
00:15:37increase. There is incredible pressure on
00:15:41appointments, with patients who
00:15:44have been looking for a long time, who are in therapeutic
00:15:47wandering, who may also have feelings about their care
00:15:51journey. I'm going to prick you there, okay, breathe really hard through
00:15:55your mouth. This workforce is likely to decrease
00:15:58even further, as 50% of dermatologists are over
00:16:0260 years old. These latter are also accused of exacerbating
00:16:06the shortage by privatizing more lucrative aesthetic
00:16:09treatments. I'm putting a small bandage on you and then you're free. This
00:16:12is completely false. There are several studies,
00:16:15including independent studies from the profession, that
00:16:19show that in reality it's less than 5% of our
00:16:22activity over the whole year. It's just that there aren't enough of us to
00:16:26be able to take care of all the patients who need
00:16:29it. Come on, Mr. Gayo, we'll go soon.
00:16:33To address this shortage, the profession has taken the lead,
00:16:37notably
00:16:41Labri. This patient was able to be treated in less than a month.
00:16:44From diagnosis to treatment, I think
00:16:48it's important to actively participate in the
00:16:51training of our general practitioners to raise their awareness about skin
00:16:55pathologies and so that we can take care of patients as quickly as possible, as early as possible, and
00:16:59avoid somewhat exceptional
00:17:02cases with very, very
00:17:04late diagnoses. And there you go.
00:17:09"It's not easy when you're a child to announce that to your parents, but
00:17:13that's it." After a late
00:17:16diagnosis, Charlotte, 32 years old,
00:17:20pays the price. Maybe it's him.
00:17:23Yeah, that's it. We see the pulmonary
00:17:27lesions there
00:17:31on the knee, yes and the liver too. We
00:17:35see it's present from birth.
00:17:47I was devastated. I really didn't expect such a
00:17:50diagnosis to be made
00:17:53after the biopsy. So here we clearly see
00:17:57the mole on the side of the year 2022.
00:18:01She is first bothered by bleeding on her foot. Anyway, I looked
00:18:05on Doctorib and so on, and I saw that
00:18:07I wasn't going to get an appointment at all. I kind of let it drag on, and a few
00:18:11months later it started bleeding again and it
00:18:15said, "Well, for me it doesn't necessarily look
00:18:19problematic, it just looks like it has a small foreign body inside, it might
00:18:22be a splinter." So in fact, she took a photo with a
00:18:25dermatoscope and she sent it to lots of
00:18:29dermatologists. They don't know where else to turn. The young woman quickly gets an
00:18:32appointment when the diagnosis comes in: a
00:18:35stage 4 melanoma,
00:18:39the highest, significant. I didn't expect that at all. For me, it was a beauty mark that was already
00:18:42there. I wasn't exposing myself to the sun, I mean, I was exposing myself to the sun but
00:18:46I wasn't at all a sun fanatic, I always put on sunscreen and so on
00:18:50and so on. So for me it was impossible, and when you're 28, you don't expect this type of diagnosis
00:18:54at all. Hi, I'm Charlotte, I'm 31
00:18:58and I suffer from metastatic melanoma, so a stage
00:19:014 melanoma. Charlotte then starts several targeted
00:19:04treatments
00:19:07still against her cancer and raises public awareness on social
00:19:11networks. 3 months ago I had a recurrence in my
00:19:15knee, so I just had two more operations. I think we really don't
00:19:19talk enough about the problems, well, about
00:19:22skin cancers, what we call violet, but nobody
00:19:26has ever heard of it, unlike pink October or
00:19:29golden September or whatever. How many times have I said, "Yes, I have skin cancer," "Yes,
00:19:33well, it's just a small cancer, it's just a small mole, it's not like..."
00:19:38it's not like breast cancer, cancer, well, lung or other
00:19:41cancer, it's just a small thing, when in reality it's still quite serious, and once you have
00:19:45it at an advanced stage, you never get rid of it. Like
00:19:48Charlotte, 200,000 skin cancers are diagnosed every year
00:19:52in France. Pierre Haman reminds us that the first
00:19:56step is to consult your general practitioner. Often,
00:19:59and what the population doesn't know, is that they come to see us
00:20:03spontaneously, without going through their treating doctor, without respecting the care
00:20:06pathway. And so that's where there's a problem because often for them it's a cross to bear to
00:20:10find an appointment, while the treating doctor will be
00:20:13able to properly guide them
00:20:17quickly.
00:20:19However, it is still necessary to be able to get an appointment, because the shortage
00:20:23also affects
00:20:23general practitioners.
00:20:28In France, 6 million patients lack a general
00:20:32practitioner. In the Occitanie region, a
00:20:34profession has therefore decided to lend a hand.
00:20:38Consider yourselves all here as whistleblowers, okay, we are not
00:20:41dermatologists, we are not doctors. That morning, in the suburbs of
00:20:45Montpellier, some fifty volunteer physiotherapists are undergoing
00:20:48dermatological training.
00:20:51So the adapter will screw onto one of the two
00:20:54holes here depending on your
00:20:57phone.
00:21:00Objective: to identify lesions on their patients during
00:21:03consultations and directly transmit their images to a
00:21:06dermatologist.
00:21:09They asked to take four photos, one from far away, one from close up, and then with
00:21:12the use.
00:21:15An idea proposed by dermatologist George Bess after a
00:21:19meeting with a physiotherapist.
00:21:22I think that physiotherapists, among others, see patients undressed, and that
00:21:26is fundamental. So an undressed patient will have a lesion that they would not
00:21:30have shown, either because they don't think about it, an elderly person, or because they are afraid to
00:21:33think about it and are afraid of the
00:21:35answer.
00:21:38This system was tested for a year by the Occitanie
00:21:41physiotherapists' association. This experiment allowed
00:21:44us to train and equip 13 colleagues in Occitanie, one per
00:21:48department. And the feedback we
00:21:50received over these 12 months was the discovery of six
00:21:53cancers, four carcinomas and two melanomas. This
00:21:57result prompted the ARS, the regional health agency, to
00:22:01subsidize the training of 100 additional physiotherapists in
00:22:04Occitanie. Stay silent with him. If it goes to
00:22:08tele-expertise, he gets 10 euros. It's not at all a
00:22:11commercial approach, it's
00:22:13really a public health service, that's how we
00:22:17see it. Otherwise, honestly, we all have work to do. The offices are
00:22:21full so there's no need to do
00:22:23additional acts.
00:22:26But some see even further. We look
00:22:29straight ahead and close our eyes, here
00:22:31we go.
00:22:36In the Paris region, this center screens for skin cancers
00:22:40thanks to artificial intelligence.
00:22:43So here I have all the lesions listed for the lady.
00:22:46She has 276 in total
00:22:49with... 92 sensors, the AI generates a
00:22:523D avatar of the patient and makes initial
00:22:55observations,
00:22:57so I'm taking a few more based on their shape, size, and
00:23:00color.
00:23:03Dermatologists partnered with the center then analyze this data and
00:23:07make a diagnosis. AI alone is not
00:23:10reliable enough to replace a doctor;
00:23:14however, it is a valuable tool for measuring,
00:23:17sorting lesions, classifying, etc. The
00:23:20time-consuming activities are done
00:23:23here by technicians, all of which saves medical time for
00:23:27dermatologists.
00:23:3084 euros for a screening not reimbursed by social
00:23:34security. This technology allowed 30
00:23:37melanomas to be detected in the first year, according to Étienne
00:23:40Barlet. If a patient comes back in 2 years,
00:23:43uh, we can tell them very, very exactly which lesion has
00:23:47regressed, which lesion has evolved, and that gives a
00:23:50very valuable indication for making a
00:23:53diagnosis.
00:23:55Hello, five centers like this have opened throughout
00:23:58France, but for the moment, no AI
00:24:02device is recommended by the French Society of
00:24:04Dermatology. All these studies are ongoing, we
00:24:08are working on them, the entire dermatological community is very involved, but
00:24:12for now our message is caution. There is also another problem
00:24:16which is the problem of downstream, that is to say, if you have a massive influx
00:24:20of patients who go through this kind of technique and then it
00:24:23unnecessarily clogs our consultations, it makes no
00:24:27sense.
00:24:29Only 100 dermatologists are trained each year. The
00:24:33government has announced the arrival of 27 additional residents per
00:24:37year, far from the reinforcements hoped for by the
00:24:39profession.
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00:30:07"It's 9 a.m. here in Paris. Hello everyone and welcome
00:30:11to Let's Talk, your appointment with the news that takes its time. Here are the
00:30:14headlines for this Thursday: public and private sector employees called
00:30:18to stop work this November 5th in France for salaries and against the high cost
00:30:22of living. High school and university students are expected to join some of the
00:30:25250 marches planned across the country, a national strike day and
00:30:29mobilization called by unions that also disrupts France
00:30:3324's broadcast. 7,000 police officers and gendarmes are
00:30:35mobilized.
00:30:38What will the mid-term elections have on the war
00:30:41in Ukraine? Talks under American mediation are expected to resume
00:30:45next week in Abu Dhabi. We will be in Kyiv for this
00:30:49news update.
00:30:51That the US Consulate in Hong Kong strongly condemns the
00:30:54prison sentence imposed on Joshua Wanggle, a 30-year-old pro-democracy activist, a familiar
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