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00:00:07It's 9 a.m. here in Paris. Hello everyone and welcome to
00:00:11Let's Talk About It, your appointment with
00:00:14costs. We can even say that it's a the news that takes its time. Here are the headlines for this Thursday. Public and private
00:00:16sector employees are called to stop work this November 5th in
00:00:20France for salaries and against the high cost of living. High school students and university students
00:00:24electricity and
00:00:25are tired of seeing the education are expected to join some of the 250 protests planned throughout
00:00:27the country. A national strike day of mobilization, called by unions that
00:00:31also disrupt France 24. 7,000 police
00:00:35officers and gendarmes are mobilized.
00:00:38What consequences will the mid-term elections have on the
00:00:41war in Ukraine? Talks under American mediation are set to resume
00:00:45next week in Abu Dhabi.
00:00:48of France. It uses We will be in Kyiv for this news report.
00:00:51The American consulate in Hong Kong strongly condemns the prison
00:00:54sentence imposed on Joshua Wong, the 30-year-old pro-democracy
00:00:58activist, the face of resistance against Beijing, will
00:01:02remain incarcerated for 10 more years.
00:01:16This is a new day of mobilization that
00:01:18the French internet. This begins today in France, the first since September to concern the
00:01:21public sector and the private sector. And it will also see high school
00:01:26which many people have already students and university students join in, engaged
00:01:27purchasing power? So a few months before for several weeks in a standoff with the government. A strike call
00:01:30launched by the inter-union, a call for gatherings, demonstration
00:01:34routes are subjects of a standoff with the authorities, we will
00:01:38come back to that. Among the demands are the revaluation of
00:01:42and others less salaries, the safeguarding of public services and the defense precisely
00:01:44of the right to demonstrate. What will be the extent of the mobilization?
00:01:48The report from our colleagues at France Télévision:
00:01:53electricity, power.
00:01:53the inter-union, but also Public sector employees, private sector, students and
00:01:56retirees, there should be more than 500,000 to...
00:02:00protest everywhere in France today. A strike day
00:02:02that comes after three consecutive Saturdays of
00:02:06mobilization and on the back of a high school student anger that
00:02:09has been expressed for several weeks now. So we are calling on all high school students
00:02:13to block their schools in the morning and join the protests in the afternoon. Young people
00:02:16will join workers to denounce the cost of
00:02:20living. The demands of the inter-union for this
00:02:23social movement are clear: a revaluation of salaries, pensions
00:02:29more. A consequence of and aid, more tax justice, better efforts against global
00:02:33warming and a revision of the 2027 budget project which
00:02:36foresees the freezing of social benefits and a reduction in
00:02:40resources allocated to public services. But for the route of their
00:02:43processions, unions are still opposing the authorities. Prefects
00:02:46can prohibit or modify them. In Paris, for
00:02:50example, strikers will not be able to
00:02:54hot with the pool's own fluid march from Bastille to Concorde, but will have to settle for a route from Place de la République to
00:02:58Nation, at the risk of being
00:03:00apprehended by the police.
00:03:04that none of its clients will lose What surprises us is that the police prefecture justifies its refusal of our Bastille-Concorde route on the
00:03:07security context and imposes an alternative route
00:03:11that it refused us two weeks ago for security reasons. The
00:03:15Ministry of Interior is deploying on its side the same system as during the
00:03:19last demonstrations, including elite units. We are
00:03:22mobilizing again 70,000 police officers and gendarmes throughout the
00:03:25national territory. We are extremely vigilant because it is out of the
00:03:29question to experience in any way, even slightly, what we experienced
00:03:33on October 17th. The government fears the arrival of black
00:03:36blocs, wild processions and looting or damage to
00:03:40businesses. Last Saturday, 779
00:03:43people were apprehended, without major incidents throughout the
00:03:47territory.
00:03:50And we're going to find Pauline Godar who is in Aubervilliers in the Parisian
00:03:53region in front of a high school. Hello Pauline, high school students and
00:03:57university students who are invited to join the... processions and to
00:04:00mobilize today as well. I see that there are people behind you,
00:04:04Pauline. Yes, indeed, there are several dozen students
00:04:08who have gathered since very early this morning in front of the
00:04:11Le Corbusier high school. We can read, "We want the
00:04:15same opportunities and equality, Le Corbusier
00:04:20a portion of its own funds, is in the streets." That's what we can read at least on the different banners that are
00:04:23hung on the fences along the
00:04:26Le Corbusier high school. These high school students who tell us
00:04:29they are always
00:04:32That's all for a part of the essential motivated to want to continue this movement,
00:04:34this student movement to demand more resources
00:04:38and to have the same education for everyone throughout
00:04:42France. We can hear them, moreover, chanting since earlier, "We are here, we
00:04:45are here, we are here." And now I can see that they
00:04:49have set fire to two trash cans just behind me. They
00:04:53are trying to block the
00:04:56street. I spoke with several teachers, notably, who went on
00:05:00strike, notably Ocean and Jean-Baptiste. They told us that they
00:05:04went on strike because they also first want to
00:05:08support the students' movement, but they also
00:05:11demand and... They have the same demands as them, that there are too many
00:05:15problems with teacher non-replacement and big problems
00:05:18also with resources. They also told us that they were very
00:05:21proud of their students, of these high school students who have been mobilizing
00:05:25for several weeks now. It's the same for
00:05:28Claire and notably Jean-Baptiste who
00:05:32explained that they were there because they
00:05:37budget decrease over time, and that's why today
00:05:41they are on strike. There are also many parents
00:05:44of students, and notably Aurélie who explained to me earlier that she
00:05:48comes every morning to support her son who is in this
00:05:52high school, to support the students, but also to make sure that
00:05:56everything goes well. A little earlier we saw some
00:06:00police officers who came to remove the different trash cans that
00:06:03were blocking one of the accesses in front of one of the doors of the
00:06:07high school. You see, the atmosphere is starting a little
00:06:10to... the atmosphere is starting a little
00:06:12to change. It's still a bit good natured, but it's true that with these trash cans that
00:06:16are being lit, you also heard some
00:06:20smoke bombs, and we saw a smoke bomb earlier too, so we can
00:06:23hear them again. We'll see how it goes. And
00:06:27there's an intervention, I think, at
00:06:31the trash can again with fire, perhaps an intervention. We know that the
00:06:35police are not far, there may be an intervention shortly
00:06:38by the police. We know that there will be a gathering in front of the Aubervilliers town
00:06:43hall where the various unions are called
00:06:47to gather, but also the high school unions, but also high school students,
00:06:50university students, they are called to gather in front of the Aubervilliers
00:06:53town hall to then head towards Paris, towards
00:06:57Paris, where a large gathering and this
00:07:00large demonstration will take place, starting from République at the call of
00:07:05bringing together the Yellow Vests, students and
00:07:09high school students. In front of Le Corbusier in Aubervilliers,
00:07:13take care, Pauline, thank you very much for the demonstration routes, as we
00:07:16said, which have been for several hours, a source of conflict
00:07:19with the authorities. The Minister of Interior Laurent
00:07:23Nunez announced in recent hours that 7,000
00:07:26police and gendarmes would be deployed across the country to prevent,
00:07:30he says, overflows and to show, I quote
00:07:33always, "extreme firmness."
00:07:36Look at
00:07:40the city center of Limoges, about fifteen businesses are protected by
00:07:43wooden panels to prevent possible damage
00:07:47on the sidelines of the demonstration planned today. Their managers are
00:07:51rather serene. "We are fine for
00:07:54now, we have no fear, if anything happens, in any
00:07:57case, we close the store." Everywhere in
00:08:00France, a large security system is deployed to manage this
00:08:04new day of social mobilization with similar numbers to
00:08:07October 24 and 31, in total
00:08:1070,000 police and gendarmes. 110 mobile forces and elite
00:08:14units such as the RAID, the GIGN and the BRI.
00:08:17Their missions were detailed by the Minister of Interior:
00:08:21securing the processions,
00:08:23impacting high-risk groups, wild processions, anything that will create
00:08:27overflows. The system will aim to
00:08:31intervene to disperse, systematically arrest,
00:08:35as was done extremely effectively on
00:08:38October 24 and 31. Armored vehicles,
00:08:41helicopters, and drones will also be deployed. The government
00:08:45particularly fears the presence of radical groups likely to mix with peaceful
00:08:49processions.
00:08:52And it is in this tense social context that discussions are currently
00:08:55being held in the National Assembly around the
00:08:59budget. We will come back to that in a moment. Faiza Younsi,
00:09:03hello. Hello, this is the news with
00:09:06you. We are interested with you in the motive behind
00:09:09this day of mobilization and one of its main motives is purchasing
00:09:13power. One in two French people feels economically fragile. Yes, a shocking figure that
00:09:16shows the extent of the feeling of disengagement among
00:09:20French households. This comes from the purchasing power barometer which launched
00:09:23a study of 12,000 people.
00:09:26Behind this collective, there are about sixty
00:09:30organizations, associations, foundations,
00:09:32mutuals, unions. This collective was launched in
00:09:362019 after the Yellow Vests. So we will come back to this figure, one in two
00:09:39French people who feels economically fragile, that means that half of
00:09:43French people have difficulty making ends meet, living
00:09:46properly, living with dignity. There is another piece of information that is highlighted
00:09:50in this barometer, another figure, the poverty rate, 15% of
00:09:54French people, or 10 million people who live below the
00:09:57poverty line. This is a figure that is the highest
00:10:01in 30 years. Beyond these statistics, it obviously
00:10:04impacts all aspects of life, starting with
00:10:07food. One in two French people excludes quality
00:10:10food. One in five French people regularly skips
00:10:14meals for financial reasons, and then it goes far beyond that since
00:10:18one fifth of parents say they also
00:10:21give up on schooling for their children
00:10:25because of the cost. And still according to this study, households are
00:10:29pessimistic about the evolution of their purchasing power. Yes, that's what
00:10:32this study also says, that they don't feel that it will get
00:10:36better, especially because of energy
00:10:39source of anxiety, more than half of the people
00:10:42surveyed anticipate a decrease in the standard of living, mainly because
00:10:46of the cost of heating,
00:10:49fuel. Another study that was published about
00:10:52fifteen days ago revealed that three
00:10:56quarters of French people had noticed a decrease in their purchasing power in recent months. It
00:11:00must be said that there have been several inflation peaks in recent
00:11:03years, three in 5 years in France and elsewhere in Europe. There
00:11:07was one at the end of Covid during the economic recovery, there was one
00:11:11during the outbreak of the war in Ukraine and then the last one to
00:11:15date was in March of this year with the blocking of the Strait
00:11:18of Hormuz which pushed up the price of a barrel of oil. So
00:11:22obviously it has weighed on purchasing power since... all these years
00:11:25according to INSEE, the average real salary per capita in
00:11:29France, that is to say the salary that takes inflation into account, is
00:11:33today lower than that of 2021 and the
00:11:36salary negotiations this year should only compensate for
00:11:39inflation, the rise in prices. Conclusion: in 2026 it will not
00:11:43get better, we should remain at 0% real salary
00:11:46increase. What are the options to boost
00:11:52the presidential election, obviously the candidates and political parties are well aware that
00:11:56answers must be provided to this social crisis. Today this general
00:11:59strike is the 4th mobilization against the high cost of living
00:12:02in less than a month. So first on the most basic needs, since as we saw
00:12:06one in two French people excludes quality food, it's
00:12:10enormous. Thirty associations support a bill
00:12:14whose objective is to make these quality foods more
00:12:17accessible. It involves forcing large supermarkets to sell at least one
00:12:21hundred healthy products almost at cost price. There
00:12:25was a bill that was carried by the environmentalists and which was
00:12:28rejected in the Senate, but a similar text will be examined in the
00:12:31Assembly. Finally, the most obvious thing would obviously be to
00:12:34increase salaries, that they be raised, a solution that is
00:12:37obviously advocated by Republicans and the Socialist Party. They propose
00:12:41to abolish certain lines of contributions to increase the
00:12:45net amount on the payslip. The RN wants a 10%
00:12:49salary increase up to three times the minimum wage. And finally, the environmentalists
00:12:52and LFI are mainly advocating for a raise in the legal minimum wage.
00:12:56Thank you, sorry, thank you very much, Faiza, that was
00:12:59the eco news. That's what we could say about this day of social mobilization in
00:13:03France which has disrupted the France 24 broadcasts, this news being produced by
00:13:06non-striking staff. Still on the subject
00:13:10of economy, er, forgive
00:13:13me, it's complicated this morning. This major cyber attack against a French
00:13:17bank, Crédit Mutuel Arkéa and its online bank
00:13:20Fortuneo. More than 100 million euros were reportedly stolen by
00:13:24hackers then converted into cryptocurrency. The group assures
00:13:29money. A week ago, it was the cryptocurrency giant Binance that
00:13:32was hacked. Take a look.
00:13:35This student learned the news this morning
00:13:38when trying to log into her account. "An
00:13:42ongoing technical incident is causing the unavailability of all
00:13:45transfers." Her bank, Crédit Mutuel Arkéa, was
00:13:48the victim of a cyber attack. I
00:13:51have rent to pay, it's the first of the month and...
00:13:55for something like that to happen, it's worrying. It shows that it's
00:13:59possible to get into the system, so
00:14:02security is not as
00:14:05assured as the
00:14:07advertisements make us believe. The attack was
00:14:11revealed by an American specialized in cryptocurrencies.
00:14:15Two days ago, he alerted on his Telegram account: "Funds
00:14:19have been stolen from a European entity." The
00:14:22bank only acknowledged this digital robbery this morning. It
00:14:25lost at least 100 million
00:14:28euros.
00:14:31So what happened at Crédit Mutuel Arkéa, even though
00:14:34it was rewarded a few weeks ago for its innovation in
00:14:37cybersecurity? The hackers were actually able to access
00:14:41the bank's servers and steal
00:14:45money then converted into cryptocurrency. This is a
00:14:49first of its kind, at least the last time that so much
00:14:51money was stolen from a bank, it
00:14:55was perhaps during a case in a real bank where they
00:14:58stole, broke into a safe. Ever since money was
00:15:02digitized, normally this kind of thing was no longer possible, but in fact we just saw
00:15:06that, well, yes, it's possible again. The hackers
00:15:09disseminated the money across several accounts hosted on cryptocurrency
00:15:13platforms. And it was divided into several small pieces so as
00:15:17to make this recovery almost impossible, its identification
00:15:21almost impossible, and the risk that it would be blocked or frozen
00:15:25very, very minimal. Could an attack of this type one day
00:15:29affect customer bank accounts? Nothing can be ruled out according to this
00:15:32expert.
00:15:36The risk of accounts of several hundreds of thousands of customers being
00:15:39siphoned off, that's a risk to be taken seriously,
00:15:43it's real, it can happen. That is to say, we are facing
00:15:46a super intelligence that is able to
00:15:49bypass and skip all these controls. The bank assures
00:15:53this evening that its customers have not been affected and remain
00:15:56protected. It has filed a complaint, an investigation has been
00:15:59opened. We're changing regions of the world,
00:16:03heading to Asia. He is one of the figures of the pro-democracy movement in Hong
00:16:07Kong, Joshua Wong, 30 years old, already detained for almost 6
00:16:11years, has just been sentenced to 10 more years in prison. These are archival images that
00:16:14you are seeing. He faced life imprisonment
00:16:18for collusion, according to the prosecution, with foreign countries, in
00:16:22application of the national security law desired by Beijing to bring to heel
00:16:26this Hong Kong territory that was long autonomous. Listen to our correspondent Baptiste
00:16:29Falvos from Beijing. He was due to be released from prison in a few months
00:16:33after serving an initial sentence of 4 years and 8 months for subversion.
00:16:37Joshua Wong will therefore apparently remain 10 more years behind bars. The Hong Kong
00:16:41tribunal found him guilty of collusion with foreign countries.
00:16:44He was accused of having put pressure on these countries and on
00:16:48international institutions to sanction China on the international
00:16:51stage. And once again Joshua Wong suffers the fate
00:16:54of this national security law that was imposed by
00:16:58Beijing in 2020 to silence all dissent in Hong Kong, and under
00:17:04been sentenced to heavy sentences. Joshua Wong is one of the
00:17:08figures, if not the figure, of the pro-democracy camp in Hong Kong.
00:17:11He has been an activist since the age of 15, he has been involved in many struggles,
00:17:15notably during the immense demonstrations of 2019 in Hong Kong against
00:17:18the increasing interference of Beijing, of mainland China, on
00:17:22the territory. Let us recall that Hong Kong, retroceded to China in
00:17:261997, must normally retain its political,
00:17:29legislative, and legal status until
00:17:322047, according to the famous slogan "one country, two systems."
00:17:35This is not the reality, however, since
00:17:37China has accelerated in recent years its takeover of the
00:17:41territory. Freedom of expression is increasingly muzzled,
00:17:44demonstrations are almost non-existent. A little earlier this year,
00:17:47moreover, businessman and press baron Jimmy Lai was also
00:17:51sentenced, still under this national security law, to 20 years in
00:17:55prison, the heaviest sentence so far against a Hong Kong
00:17:58dissident.
00:20:09news. Let's talk continues in a little ten minutes, a shortened
00:20:13edition today exceptionally due to the social movement here in France. See you
00:20:16later.
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00:20:38The Observers, a network of 5,000 engaged citizens alongside
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00:20:46calculated, amateur images and testimonies
00:20:50verified by our journalists, broadcast every week in Les
00:20:53Observateurs on France 24.
00:21:07What if I told you that 5 billion humans surf the internet and social
00:21:10networks, two out of three Earthlings,
00:21:12that the world already has 34 billion
00:21:16digital devices, computers, phones, screens, connected
00:21:20objects, and that in 2023 Google
00:21:24extracted 28 billion liters of water to cool its data
00:21:28centers?
00:21:30Hello and welcome to Plan B, the economy differently. Digital
00:21:33is not immaterial, it already represents two to three times the carbon footprint
00:21:38tons of rare metals and operates thanks to Data
00:21:42Centers, real energy gobblers, which host and
00:21:45manage our data. Can digital lighten its ecological
00:21:49impacts, and if so, how? At the gates of Paris, an Olympic
00:21:53swimming pool and a future district use the heat released
00:21:56by a giga data center. The
00:22:00sound of fans running at full speed and a thermometer around
00:22:0330°, welcome to PADIS, one of the lungs of
00:22:08data center is a huge safe. It will contain everything that makes
00:22:12up our digital life, so movies that we can watch in streaming, our
00:22:16photos that are on our phones and... in the cloud. There will also
00:22:20be all our office elements and all the
00:22:23data in fact that we can generate in this digital universe that exists
00:22:27today. Among the clients hosted here are internet giants
00:22:32known. Companies manage their data, the data center,
00:22:35the building. We don't touch the data, we provide
00:22:39infrastructure so cages,
00:22:43The company takes care of its equipment, but it does not take care
00:22:46of the building, of the security of the building, of the cooling of its
00:22:50equipment. Cooling accounts for an average of 40% of the energy
00:22:53expenditure of a data center. At
00:22:56PA10, liquid cooling is gradually gaining power. This new
00:23:00much more efficient system does not cool the room's air, but
00:23:03directly cools the computer chip. Today, there are more and more
00:23:07clients who are doing high density or quite
00:23:11powerful calculations, and therefore who are using
00:23:15materials that consume much more energy and heat much
00:23:19artificial intelligence in full growth, PA10 will
00:23:22so generate more and more fatal heat, so as not to release it into
00:23:26nature, it is sent by pipes filled with water 500
00:23:30m away and makes the tumble in the largest swimming pool in
00:23:33France, 70 m of pool and 5000 seats in
00:23:37the stands, this is the place where we come to exchange this
00:23:40heat so this fluid which is
00:23:44which is therefore injected into the
00:23:47water treatment system. into the air treatment system
00:23:50to heat the water temperature and the
00:23:54air temperature, but partly supplying the pool is only one step,
00:23:57in 4 years, the data center will participate in supplying the entire
00:24:01district. the metropolis is developing a large
00:24:04urban district with housing, offices, shops,
00:24:08public facilities which will all be connected to the heat networks and the
00:24:11data center will participate in the general energy mix
00:24:15but with a significant share which will not be dominant of course but which will still
00:24:19be significant. in the energy mix thanks to this exchange, the data
00:24:23center will be able to retrocede half of its fatal heat to the
00:24:26community, residents and swimmers, they will have access to
00:24:30local energy not listed on the market and therefore
00:24:33impermeable to the
00:24:34crisis.
00:24:41Why do data centers give off so much heat? It's because in fact
00:24:45the circulation of electricity in the processor, which has millions and
00:24:48millions and millions of wires in a small surface, well, it inevitably creates
00:24:52heat, and so we put small radiators on top to evacuate it, because if we
00:24:55don't evacuate it, the processor dies. My biggest
00:24:59question is, what do we do with the heat? Can we quickly
00:25:02reuse it? It all depends on the location of the data
00:25:05center. We are not always next to an Olympic swimming pool that needs to be
00:25:09heated, so the data center must be close to
00:25:12facilities that need this heat and to which it
00:25:16is relatively easy to send it. One possibility would be to
00:25:20fractionate the data centers, a myriad of small data centers that would be better
00:25:23integrated into the urban fabric, but be careful, because if we do
00:25:26that, we will lose the optimization of the
00:25:30data center itself. The fact that so much data, so many flows, so much
00:25:33processing are in the same data center allows us to maximize
00:25:37the use of servers and so on. Will data centers multiply?
00:25:40Yes, most likely, in fact it started with what we call the
00:25:44cloud, so the fact that we use less and less our own computer, in any case our own hard
00:25:48drive, but that we send files everywhere else, and artificial
00:25:52intelligence reinforces that because we need computing power that for now we cannot
00:25:55have locally, so we are forced to go through a data center when we
00:25:59ask a question to jimmy ning or or chad. or
00:26:03another, building data centers, is to ensure our digital sovereignty,
00:26:07currently we are very very dependent on American servers and companies,
00:26:10now the problem is,
00:26:13is our territory compatible
00:26:16with the environmental impact of data centers? If you
00:26:20are Sweden, you will not have to spend a lot of energy to
00:26:23cool your data center, but if you are a country in Central
00:26:26Africa for example, it will cost a lot of energy to dehumidify
00:26:30and reduce the heat to have a data center there. Before we
00:26:34leave, some practical tips for a more ecological digital:
00:26:36limit the number of your devices starting
00:26:40with televisions, share one or two tablets per
00:26:44household with each person having their own user account, that's
00:26:47ideal, rent or co-buy, especially the devices you
00:26:50rarely use, and then make your equipment last,
00:26:54especially your mobile phones. This is the end of this
00:26:56show which would not exist without digital, all our plan B on the
00:27:00France 24 website, Facebook, X or on my
00:27:04LinkedIn and Instagram pages, thank you, bye
00:27:07bye,
00:27:16make way for the weather with Technal
00:27:18windows,
00:27:21the creamy pumpkin, what a sweetness, it's true that we are
00:27:24with Knorr and the
00:27:27vegetable garden.
00:30:41It's 9:30 here in Paris, hello everyone and welcome
00:30:45to Parlons-en, the headlines this Thursday, public
00:30:47and private sector employees called to stop work this November
00:30:515th, for salaries and against high cost of living, dear high school students and university students
00:30:55will join some of the 250 protests planned throughout the country,
00:30:58national strike day.