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00:00:25Hello everyone, welcome to "Let's Talk About It". Here are the headlines for this
00:00:28Thursday: An A320 airliner flying between Dublin
00:00:32and Rome was diverted this Thursday to the Evreux airbase
00:00:35due to a bomb threat, an information that comes from Matignon, confirming
00:00:38in real time the very latest information with Sylvain Rousseau in a
00:00:43So here I have all the lesions actually listed for moment. Public and private sector employees are called to strike today
00:00:47for wages and against the high cost of living. High school students and university students will join some
00:00:51of the 250 processions planned throughout the country. A national
00:00:55strike and mobilization day called by unions
00:00:58that disrupts France 24's broadcasts. Pauline Godard will explain
00:01:02the stakes to us in a moment. And then the American consulate in Hong
00:01:06Kong strongly condemns the prison sentence inflicted on Joshua Wong, the
00:01:0930-year-old pro-democracy activist, the face of resistance against Beijing
00:01:13will remain incarcerated for 10 more years.
00:01:18mattraque après plusieurs sommations de
00:01:27So this is one of the morning's news, this A320 airliner
00:01:31that was flying between Dublin and Rome, which was diverted a few hours
00:01:35ago to the Evreux airbase in France due to a bomb threat. Hello
00:01:39Sylvain Rousseau, hello. Uh, what information
00:01:42can you give us about this plane
00:01:45that landed in Evreux? Yes, that's right, it's the Aer Lingus Airbus A320
00:01:49that was, as you said, flying between Dublin and Rome. There was
00:01:53a bomb threat concerning this plane, so it was
00:01:57diverted to an isolated place where it could
00:02:00land without any problem in case of, and above all, explode
00:02:04if there was a problem. So it was diverted to the Evreux
00:02:07airbase in Normandy, in France. We know that the plane landed, we know that the
00:02:11passengers were evacuated, and as I speak to you, bomb disposal teams
00:02:15are inspecting the plane to determine if there was indeed a bomb on board this plane. It
00:02:19turns out that alerts have been multiplying in the European sky for a few
00:02:22days. Yes, it's indeed an unusual concentration of false alarms, it must
00:02:27please sit down, a particularly be specified that until now all these alerts are false, they target European flights, mostly departing from
00:02:31the United Kingdom or Ireland, like the flight this morning that departed
00:02:35from Dublin. There are about ten flights that are affected
00:02:38by these threats, for the moment no
00:02:41explosive has been found in any of these
00:02:44planes, is it a coordinated campaign, we don't know
00:02:49you, well we must monitor you like yet, obviously the investigation is ongoing, for the moment there is no claim, no identified
00:02:51perpetrator, no link established either between these different threats, so it's true that
00:02:55with the current situation we often tend to suspect state
00:02:59interference. Again, no evidence allows us to confirm it for now,
00:03:03no evidence either of an act of terrorism, what is certain is that even
00:03:06if these false
00:03:09the day before for the alerts are likely to multiply in the coming days, all
00:03:12measures will be taken to obviously isolate these planes, these
00:03:16threatened planes, these planes suspected of
00:03:18carrying a bomb. Are there any precedents? Yes, there are
00:03:22several precedents and even very recent ones, the first that comes to mind,
00:03:26was in India, in 2024, more than
00:03:29720... threats on planes during the year 2024,
00:03:32including 500 in the month
00:03:34which is organized at the call of of October alone, on October 29th there were even 100 threats, about a hundred
00:03:37threats on a single day in India,
00:03:41similarly, no perpetrator identified, we don't
00:03:43mainly to artists from know exactly what happened, in fact it's often what we highlight,
00:03:46it's the contagion effect, meaning someone sends an alert and then we realize
00:03:50that the result is actually nice, the plane is isolated, it causes a bit
00:03:53of a mess and so these alerts sometimes multiply
00:03:57by other people, there was also a precedent in France in October
00:04:012023 that did not directly concern planes, if you remember, it was airports
00:04:05that had been the target of bomb threats, Lille, Toulouse, Beauvais, Strasbourg
00:04:08and even Lyon had to be evacuated, three planes had been
00:04:12diverted also following this wave of
00:04:15threats and then throughout the year very regularly all over the world there are regular isolated
00:04:19alerts, as I told you, which means that
00:04:22hectares of the it will take on this contagion effect, but of course
00:04:26we are always very careful with that, the last plane that
00:04:29was lost because of a bomb, was in
00:04:33October 2015, it was the Volmelche Saint Petersburg, 224
00:04:36deaths due to an improvised explosive
00:04:40device, thank you Sylvain, you will come back to us of course when
00:04:46all dissent in Hong Kong, and under there are more elements on this Dublin Rome flight diverted towards, as you told us, the passengers, the crew
00:04:49members as well I imagine are safe and sound as
00:04:53we speak and it's important to specify, it's a new day of
00:04:56social mobilization taking place today in France, the first
00:05:00since September, it concerns the public and private sector, it also sees
00:05:03high school students and university students joining in, who have been involved for several
00:05:07weeks, we were discovering, it seems to me, images of Marseille, a strike call
00:05:10launched by an inter-union call for gatherings, demonstration
00:05:14routes are the subject of a power struggle with the authorities, among
00:05:18the demands, salary revaluation, the safeguarding of public services
00:05:22and the precise defense of the right to demonstrate. Uh,
00:05:25Pauline Godard, you'll have to tell me where you are because
00:05:28the information hasn't reached me yet. Uh,
00:05:32Pauline, are you still in
00:05:33Aubervilliers?
00:05:36Yes, absolutely, I am still in Aubervilliers in front of the Lycée Lecorbusier.
00:05:40So I don't know if you see just behind me, there are
00:05:44police officers and facing these police officers, there are
00:05:47high school students in the front line, but also elected officials
00:05:51and teachers, they are thus facing the
00:05:54police officers, there were still several minutes ago,
00:05:57these high school students were just in front of the
00:06:01high school, and then they were blocking the
00:06:04street, police officers arrived, they tried to dislodge them,
00:06:08some high school students fired fireworks, shots
00:06:11of... the police officers
00:06:14tried in a quite forceful way to dislodge them, so there were
00:06:18some teachers who had formed a human chain in front
00:06:21of the high school students to defend them, we saw that one of the teachers had
00:06:25teachers were hit by batons after several summons
00:06:31from the police and the high school students did not want to
00:06:34move, tear gas shots, there were these tear
00:06:37gas shots, there was also us uh there was also
00:06:41us on... the street, these tear gas shots so everyone
00:06:45dispersed and once they had finished dispersing they
00:06:49then came to stand just behind me so as I told you in this street for the
00:06:53moment the situation has returned to
00:06:56calm, the person who was injured well is for the
00:07:00moment being treated by the firefighters who arrived
00:07:03on site to treat this person so
00:07:06by the way the truck is leaving with the person who was injured
00:07:10in the head, it is true that earlier when we
00:07:14arrived the situation, or at least around 7:15, 7:30
00:07:17in the morning, the situation was calm, we saw these high school students who were
00:07:21in front of this high school as Imilia explained to me, they
00:07:25intend to not give up they want to continue to demonstrate
00:07:28because well the government and the
00:07:32Ministry of Education have only given them
00:07:35crumbs, I quote Imilia explained to me that well
00:07:39she and her comrades did not feel supported, did not feel...
00:07:42heard, they do feel supported by the
00:07:46teachers, these teachers here who are also present, as
00:07:49I told you, especially to try to
00:07:52protect the high school students from the
00:07:55police or from the violence that there could be and that we
00:07:59saw earlier, it's still a bit of an effect, we saw this
00:08:02violence, so it must also be said that when we talk with these
00:08:06teachers, they tell us that they are proud of their students, they
00:08:09are proud that they are mobilizing and that they continue to mobilize and they also
00:08:13tell us they have the same demands, they demand that there be more
00:08:17resources, that the education budget well stop
00:08:20decreasing year after year, they also demand,
00:08:24they are fighting for teachers to be replaced and we
00:08:28also know that earlier at 12:30 normally a large gathering should take
00:08:31place in front of the Aubervilliers town hall, a
00:08:34gathering with students but also high school students and the different
00:08:38unions and their objective is then to go to Place de la
00:08:41République to be able to participate in this large demonstration
00:08:46the inter-union but also the yellow vests, student unions,
00:08:50high school student unions, a large demonstration that must start from République
00:08:54and go to Nation. Pauline Godard from Aubervilliers,
00:08:57thank you very much, Pauline. Also in the news
00:09:01this Thursday, he is one of the figures of the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong,
00:09:05Joshua Wong, he is 30 years old, he has been detained for several
00:09:09years, he has just been sentenced to 10 more years in prison. He faced
00:09:12life imprisonment for collusion with foreign countries, according to
00:09:16the accusation, application of the National Security Law wanted by
00:09:19Beijing to put an end to this long-autonomous
00:09:22territory. Listen from Beijing, Baptiste
00:09:25Falvos:
00:09:27He was supposed to be released from prison in a few months, after having served a first sentence of 4
00:09:31years and 8 months for subversion. Joshua Wong will therefore remain, a priori,
00:09:3510 more years behind bars. The Hong Kong court found him guilty
00:09:39of collusion with foreign countries. He was accused of having
00:09:42pressured these countries and international institutions to sanction
00:09:46China on the international scene, and once again
00:09:49Joshua Wong thus suffers the fate of this National Security
00:09:53Law that was imposed by Beijing in 2020 to silence
00:09:58which, moreover, many people have already been sentenced to heavy sentences.
00:10:02Joshua Wong is one of the figures, if not the main figure of the pro-democracy
00:10:06camp in Hong Kong. He has been an activist since the age of 15. He has been involved in many
00:10:10struggles, particularly during the immense demonstrations of 2019
00:10:13in Hong Kong against the increasing interference of Beijing, of mainland
00:10:17China, in the territory. Let us recall that Hong Kong,
00:10:20retroceded to China in 1997, must
00:10:23normally maintain its political, legislative,
00:10:27and legal status until 2047, according to the
00:10:30famous slogan "one country, two systems". This is not the case
00:10:33in reality, since China has accelerated its takeover of the
00:10:36territory in recent years. Freedom of expression is increasingly
00:10:40muzzled, and demonstrations are almost non-existent. A little earlier this year,
00:10:44moreover, businessman and press owner Jimmy Lai was also
00:10:47sentenced, still under this National Security Law, to 20 years in
00:10:51prison, the heaviest sentence so far against a Hong Kong dissident.
00:10:56That's the main news, let's continue right after that.
00:11:22Long waiting times. And patients
00:11:25who try everything to get an appointment, I left at 4:30 in the morning to be there at
00:11:296 am, I have 120 people who are 30 km away to come,
00:11:33with three dermatologists per 100,000 inhabitants, France is experiencing
00:11:37an unprecedented shortage of specialists, it's just
00:11:40that we are not numerous enough to be
00:11:44able to take care of all the patients who need it,
00:11:48carcinoma, cutaneous melanoma, 200,000 new
00:11:51cancers are detected every year, for me it was...
00:11:55and when you're 28, you don't expect this type of
00:11:58diagnosis at all, while the needs keep
00:12:01increasing, how to cope with the shortage of caregivers,
00:12:24I come from next to... oh well actually, I left at 4 am
00:12:27this morning, there are no dermatologists in Auberge, yes, but
00:12:31you have to wait 8 months, it's 8 am in Saint-Maur-des-Fossés
00:12:35in Val de Marne and already this dermatology
00:12:38practice is packed
00:12:40to the brim,
00:12:43Mr. Frido, hello, Jean-François is going to have
00:12:47a cutaneous melanoma removed, are you doing well, thank you,
00:12:52serious skin cancer, not treated
00:12:55quickly in dermoscopy, which is the magnifying glass we have here,
00:12:59there are different criteria that must alert us, you have small
00:13:03circles there, you have streaks a very small bit here, with
00:13:07time, this cancer crosses the epidermis and can
00:13:10spread to the rest of the body,
00:13:14a hawk, you tell me if you feel it,
00:13:18a tiny bit, we remove the
00:13:21melanoma
00:13:24and it goes for analysis and then we will see
00:13:27Mr. Frénout in 15 days, to be able to
00:13:30treat this type of emergency, Dr. Prudhomme opens his slots
00:13:34next day, I had already operated on a melanoma when I open at
00:13:376 p.m., a day fills up in 3 minutes so in fact what I often say is that we
00:13:41can open 10 of them like that in the street
00:13:45we would still fill them as much the shortage is
00:13:47enormous
00:13:49goodbye Mr. Frénout have a good trip be careful on the road with three
00:13:52dermatologists per 100,000 inhabitants and... an entire department without
00:13:56specialists, getting an appointment takes on average 6
00:14:00months.
00:14:03Dr. Pierre Haman advocates for increasing the numerus clausus,
00:14:07in other words, the number of residents trained each
00:14:09year.
00:14:11It's only been for some time, so about ten years, that
00:14:15the numerus clausus has been increasing quite significantly,
00:14:18except that dermatology, unlike all
00:14:22other specialties, has not benefited as much. From the percentages
00:14:26of increase, there is incredible pressure on
00:14:30appointments with patients who
00:14:32arrive having searched for a long time,
00:14:36who are in therapeutic wandering, who may also
00:14:40feel resentful about their healthcare journey. I'm going to prick you
00:14:44there, okay? Breathe deeply through your mouth. This
00:14:47workforce is likely to decrease even further, while 50%
00:14:51of dermatologists are over 60 years old. The latter
00:14:55are also accused of worsening the situation by prioritizing more lucrative
00:14:59aesthetic care. I'll put a small dressing on you and you're free.
00:15:02This is completely false. There are several studies,
00:15:06notably even independent studies from the profession, that
00:15:10show that in reality it's less than 5% of our activity over
00:15:13the whole year, it's just that we are not numerous enough to be able
00:15:17to take care of all the patients who need it. Come on,
00:15:20Mr. Gayaot, we're going to go soon. To
00:15:24address this shortage, the
00:15:25less than a month, from diagnosis to treatment. I think it's
00:15:33patient was able to be taken care of in
00:15:37important to actively participate in the
00:15:40training of our general practitioner colleagues to make them aware of skin pathologies
00:15:44and to be able to treat patients as quickly as possible, as early as possible,
00:15:47and to avoid somewhat exceptional
00:15:51cases with very very
00:15:53late diagnoses. And
00:15:55there you have it, it's not easy when you're a child
00:15:59to announce that to your parents but hey, that's
00:16:03all after a late diagnosis, Charlotte
00:16:0632 years old is actually. fresh like I see, it's maybe him
00:16:10yeah
00:16:12it's there, we see right away the
00:16:16pulmonary lesions uh
00:16:19there on the knee, yes and the liver too, we
00:16:23see present since forever, a mole
00:16:27on her heel turned into generalized
00:16:29cancer, for her mother,
00:16:33also, I was shocked, I really didn't
00:16:37expect that after the biopsy,
00:16:40such a diagnosis would be given
00:16:44in fact, so here we clearly see the mole on the side, in
00:16:482022 Charlotte was first bothered by bleeding on her
00:16:52foot, in any case I looked on Doctorlib and so on and I saw
00:16:56that I wasn't going to get any appointment at all, I let it drag on a bit and
00:17:00a few months later it bled again and got infected, my treating
00:17:03doctor said well for me it doesn't look necessarily
00:17:08problematic, it just looks like there's a small foreign body inside, it might be
00:17:11a splinter, so in fact she took a photo with a dermatoscope and
00:17:15sent it to many dermatologists, they don't know anymore,
00:17:19the young woman quickly gets an appointment, when the
00:17:22diagnosis comes down, a stage 4 melanoma, the
00:17:26highest stage, I
00:17:28didn't expect that at all, for me it was a mole that was already there, I
00:17:32didn't expose myself, well I exposed myself to the sun but I wasn't
00:17:36at all a sun fanatic, I always used sunscreen and so on and so forth so for me
00:17:39it was impossible and then when you're 28 you don't expect this type of
00:17:43diagnosis. Hi, my name is Charlotte, I'm 31 and I suffer
00:17:47from metastatic melanoma, so stage 4
00:17:50melanoma. Charlotte then starts several targeted treatments.
00:17:534 years later, she is still fighting her cancer
00:17:57and raising public awareness on social networks.
00:18:003 months, I relapsed in my knee so I just had
00:18:04two operations. I think we really don't talk
00:18:07enough about skin problems, well skin
00:18:11cancers, we call it but purple, but nobody has
00:18:15ever heard of it, unlike Pink October or
00:18:18Gold September or whatever, how many times have I said yes I have skin cancer, yes
00:18:22well it's just a small cancer, it's just a small mole, it's not
00:18:25like it's not like breast cancer, lung cancer or
00:18:29other, it's just a small thing whereas in reality it's quite serious and once you
00:18:33have it at an advanced stage you never get rid of it like
00:18:37Charlotte, 20,000 skin cancers are diagnosed
00:18:40each year in France. Pierre Haman reminds us, the
00:18:44first step is to consult your general practitioner. Often,
00:18:47what the population doesn't know, is that they come to see us
00:18:51spontaneously, without going through their treating doctor, without following the care
00:18:55pathway, and so that's where there's a problem because often for them it's an ordeal to find
00:18:59an appointment whereas the treating doctor will be
00:19:02able to correctly and quickly
00:19:05refer them.
00:19:07Do you all consider yourselves It's still necessary to get
00:19:09an appointment, because the shortage also affects general
00:19:12practitioners.
00:19:17In France, 6 million patients lack a treating
00:19:20doctor. In the Occitanie region, a
00:19:23profession has therefore decided to lend a hand.
00:19:28whistleblowers,
00:19:29okay?
00:19:32This morning, in the suburbs of Montpellier, about fifty
00:19:35volunteer physiotherapists are following a training
00:19:38course on the dermatoscope. So the adapter screws
00:19:41onto one of the two holes here, depending
00:19:45on your phone. The
00:19:48objective is to identify lesions on their patients during
00:19:51consultations and directly transmit their images to a
00:19:55dermatologist.
00:19:57They asked to take four photos, one from far, one from close up and then with
00:20:00the use.
00:20:04An idea championed by dermatologist George Bess after
00:20:07a meeting with massage physiotherapists.
00:20:11I think that physiotherapists, among others, see patients undressed and that
00:20:14is fundamental. In an undressed patient, we will find a lesion that they would not have
00:20:18shown, either because they don't think about it, an elderly person, or because they are afraid to
00:20:22think about it and afraid of the
00:20:23answer.
00:20:26This system was tested for one year by the Association of
00:20:30Occitanie physiotherapists. This experiment allowed us to
00:20:34train and equip 13 colleagues in Occitanie per department.
00:20:37And the feedback we've had over these 12 months has been the discovery of
00:20:41six cancers, four carcinomas and two
00:20:44melanomas. This result prompted the ARS,
00:20:47the regional health agency to...
00:20:59This is not at all a commercial approach, it's
00:21:02truly a public health service, that's how we see
00:21:06it, otherwise honestly we all have work, the clinics are
00:21:09full, so we don't need to do additional
00:21:12procedures,
00:21:15but some go even further, we look straight
00:21:18ahead and close our eyes.
00:21:20Let's go.
00:21:25In the Paris region, this center screens for skin cancers
00:21:28using artificial intelligence.
00:21:33the lady. She has 276 in
00:21:36total. With its 92
00:21:39sensors, the AI generates a 3D avatar of the patient and
00:21:43makes initial observations.
00:21:46So there, I take a few more depending on their shape, size, and color.
00:21:52Dermatologists partnering with the center then analyze this
00:21:55data and make a diagnosis. AI
00:21:58alone is not sufficiently reliable to replace
00:22:01a doctor. However, it is a valuable tool for
00:22:05measuring and triaging lesions, for classification. Time-consuming
00:22:08activities are done here by
00:22:12technicians, all of this is medical time gained by
00:22:15dermatologists.
00:22:1884 euros for a screening not reimbursed by social
00:22:22security, this technology has allowed 30
00:22:26melanomas to be detected in the first year according to Étienne Barlet.
00:22:29So if a patient returns in 2 years, we will be able
00:22:33to tell them very, very exactly which lesion has regressed, which lesion has
00:22:37evolved, and that gives a very valuable indication
00:22:40for making a
00:22:41diagnosis.
00:22:44Centers like this have opened across France
00:22:48but for now no AI device is recommended
00:22:52by the French Society of Dermatology.
00:22:55All these studies are ongoing, we are working on it, the entire
00:22:59dermatological community is very involved, but for now our message is
00:23:02caution. There is also another problem which is the downstream problem, meaning
00:23:06if you have a massive influx of patients who go
00:23:10through this kind of technique and behind it needlessly clogs
00:23:13our consultations, it makes no
00:23:15sense.
00:23:18Only 100 dermatologists are trained each year,
00:23:22the government has announced the arrival of 27 additional residents per
00:23:25year, far from the reinforcements hoped for by the profession.
00:30:08Hello everyone, glad to be back on France 24, welcome to this live broadcast that
00:30:12is starting, here we go for 3 hours of non-stop news, so
00:30:15here are the main headlines to start with, a series of new bomb
00:30:19alerts on at least 12 airliners this morning,
00:30:22today the announcements of false alerts are multiplying
00:30:26as well as those of diverted planes, but what is happening in the European
00:30:29sky since Tuesday? We will
00:30:33try with Sylvain Rossau to see more clearly and explain this situation to you that
00:30:37tends to repeat itself, hello Sylvain, I'll tell you right away, the other big
00:30:40headline is our dark day, this dark day feared here in France,
00:30:44a convergence of struggles was launched by trade unions, employees,
00:30:48civil servants, yellow vests, retirees are called to join the
00:30:51250 demonstrations planned throughout the territory,
00:30:54obviously young people remain at the heart of this movement, we are going to
00:30:58take a look at