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00:00:07Welcome to France 24, it's 5 PM here in Paris. France
00:00:10is in the spotlight with this general strike and strong mobilization.
00:00:14in my opinion, the This Thursday could be the climax
00:00:16MEDEF of this social autumn. Protests are still
00:00:18ongoing in Paris, and we are hearing of tensions elsewhere, particularly in Toulouse and
00:00:23example, or the surge Nantes, and even violence. Purchasing power remains the main subject. We will find Mary
00:00:27Shuster in the Parisian processions, but also Vicdofouco
00:00:30to understand the reasons for this anger. Hello to both of you.
00:00:34We will also come back to these mysterious bomb threats, which always concern
00:00:38planes flying over Europe. There have been many of them since the beginning of the
00:00:41week, and several aircraft were diverted this Thursday.
00:00:45Are the games over in Israel? The main Arab list announces
00:00:48its support for Hidi Ezenkot with a view to forming the next
00:00:52government. Netanyahu, on the other hand, loses a key
00:00:54ally.
00:01:02complicated, again, still from
00:01:06How many are there in the streets of Paris? According
00:01:11and moreover, it comes to us from the rest of to 600,000 people demonstrated today in
00:01:14France, in Lyon, Toulouse, Rennes, and of course Paris, where protesters
00:01:17have been protesting since 2 PM. Marister, you
00:01:20are on site. The first protesters arrived
00:01:23at Place de la Nation in Paris a few minutes ago, and some have not
00:01:26yet left the Republic, which shows the scale of the mobilization.
00:01:32Yes, indeed, a very large-scale mobilization, I am told.
00:01:36The CGT procession, which is the largest, the CGT trucks are still
00:01:39blocked at Place de la République. There were some skirmishes
00:01:43at the beginning of the procession, but overall, this procession
00:01:46is moving calmly towards
00:01:50Place de la Nation, but again,
00:01:52elections, the leader of "moving" is a strong word. The procession has met since
00:01:552 PM a lot of people, diverse and
00:01:58varied people, retirees who came to support the young generations,
00:02:02students of course, who started this movement of
00:02:05social anger a month ago, but also hospital staff
00:02:09from the public sector, the private sector, firefighters,
00:02:12also people who work in industry,
00:02:16in short, a whole range of generations, and we can indeed say
00:02:19that in Paris, at least, the slogan of this procession is
00:02:22the struggle, the convergence
00:02:26of struggles, the convergence of generations, the convergence of struggles,
00:02:29all of them protest against
00:02:32an increase in purchasing power, a revaluation of
00:02:36wages, protest against the
00:02:37population and contributes to reduction of family allowances and
00:02:40other things, but what brings these protesters together the most is what they
00:02:44think of the authorities, of the police. You may hear behind me "acab",
00:02:48which is a direct protest
00:02:51launched against the police bordering this
00:02:54procession. There are also demonstrations against the President of the
00:02:58we listen to Marine Le Pen on precisely the Republic himself. I heard in the procession people singing,
00:03:01"Louis XVI, we beheaded him, Macron, we can
00:03:04do it again." The President of the Republic, who, according to a recent poll, and also
00:03:08here in the street, shows record
00:03:10unpopularity. Thank you very much, Marie. 600,000
00:03:14demonstrators, France, including
00:03:17Melania Trump received Paris. Bovo says we are waiting for the union figures which will certainly be higher.
00:03:21At the heart of today's demands are wages
00:03:25and purchasing power. Many French people still have
00:03:28the feeling of no longer being able to live decently from their work. This is not
00:03:32just a feeling. Poverty
00:03:35private sector, the growth of is at its highest level in 30 years. Ludovic de Fouco, you have joined us. Hello to you.
00:03:39Declassification and impoverishment are not just a feeling.
00:03:42Proof in hand with this article from the "Décodeurs du Monde" that you are going to present
00:03:46to us. Yes, this is an article that first takes up figures
00:03:49published by Lin. You see this article displayed on your
00:03:53screen, so figures published this summer by Lins in the 2024 Living Standards
00:03:56and Poverty Survey. Here are the two key figures
00:04:00to remember from this survey: 9.8 million people below the poverty
00:04:03line in 2024. So, below the poverty line in France means less than
00:04:07€1337 per month for a
00:04:10there is a problem but on the idea that single person, less than €2807 for a couple with
00:04:12two children under 14. And as you said, Julien, this is the highest level
00:04:16since 1996, the date from which Lins has measured poverty with
00:04:20comparable criteria. So, we are exceeding the peak of
00:04:232011, which was the financial crisis, and that of 2018 with the
00:04:27cuts in housing benefits, the increase in fuel prices, that was the time
00:04:31of the Yellow Vests. You see this other graph that
00:04:34is displayed, we see the progression, the evolution since 1996. So, there is
00:04:38no explosion, no sudden peak,
00:04:41but a slow progression that stabilizes at a high
00:04:45level. So, we observe statistically in France, a
00:04:48sustained increase in poverty. And what is strange, Ludovic, is that
00:04:51increase. Well, there's another unemployment is falling and employment
00:04:55employees, when the escorted by air force is increasing for 10 years. A Rafale then a Mirage 2000 from How can poverty rise at the same time? This is the French exception that has been noted by the French Observatory
00:04:59of Economic Conditions. So, we will see this OFCE graph. You will
00:05:03see arrows in all directions of several colors. Each
00:05:07arrow represents a country and France in the
00:05:12we have fallen below middle with a navy blue arrow that goes frankly
00:05:14upwards while the others tend to go downwards.
00:05:18What does that mean? It means that elsewhere in Europe, when the labor market improves, poverty
00:05:22decreases. Well, in France since 2014, the
00:05:25two curves have risen together. Why? Well, it's the
00:05:29quality of the jobs created, that's what the OFCE says, the multiplication of precarious
00:05:33contracts, particularly in micro-enterprises, for
00:05:36in apprenticeships since 2017, since apprentices count as jobs in the
00:05:40statistics, but their remuneration is below the poverty line.
00:05:43Result: 1 in 5 self-employed people live below the poverty line, compared to less
00:05:47than 1 in 15 employees. So, we see a really significant difference. 1/3
00:05:50of poor workers are self-employed. So, in France, you can
00:05:54get out of unemployment without getting out of
00:05:57poverty. Employment protects less than before, especially
00:06:00young people. France, which nevertheless has one of the most generous social protection
00:06:04systems in Europe, does that mean it no longer works? Well, it
00:06:08still works but less well than before. So, we are going to look at another
00:06:11graph. A little
00:06:14the OFCE. You see many layers of different colors
00:06:18corresponding to each step of redistribution. So, there are
00:06:21taxes at the top and then benefits, minimum social benefits, and
00:06:24so on. And all this process continues to reduce the
00:06:28poverty rate by a little more than six points and thus still
00:06:31prevents today about 4 million people from becoming poor. But in
00:06:352013, this rate was 7.7 points, so we clearly see that we have
00:06:38lost in 10 years. Before redistribution, 37%
00:06:42of poor households escaped poverty thanks to benefits. In 2017, they
00:06:46are only 28% in 2023. So, why?
00:06:50We see it on the graph, at the green level,
00:06:53here at the level of the green layer, housing allowances have decreased.
00:06:57And we can also mention, just above, the low revaluation of family
00:07:00benefits, which have not kept pace with the inflation of 2022/2023. That
00:07:04is the lack of family policy in France and, on the contrary, let's say, a
00:07:07priority given to seniors. We could talk about it for hours. I often talk about it here, these are
00:07:11political choices that have been made and we are paying for them. Finally, it is true that
00:07:15poverty, even in figures, seems abstract. Concretely, what does it mean
00:07:19to live below this poverty line? Well, that too is measured by the INC.
00:07:22Eurostat defines 13 desirable
00:07:25expenses for an acceptable standard of living, and being
00:07:28deprived of at least 5 means being in material and
00:07:32social deprivation. New graph, it's the last one from the Le Monde article,
00:07:36easier to read this one, it talks about very common
00:07:39situations, not being able to cope with an unforeseen expense of €1000, for example
00:07:43for a boiler problem or a car problem, these are very
00:07:46concrete problems. In blue are people in a situation
00:07:50of continuous poverty and almost 70% of
00:07:53these people cannot cope with an unforeseen expense of €1.
00:07:57This is the case for them, while it concerns a little more than 1 in
00:08:017 people in the rest of the population. Another example, not being able to afford a week of
00:08:04vacation in the year, this is more than half for French people in the yellow
00:08:08box, so in a situation of poverty, not being able to heat themselves sufficiently 20...
00:08:123.5%, not being able to eat meat or fish every 2 days,
00:08:1528.2%. So, for the entire population, it must be remembered,
00:08:19these deprivations remain minor, but it is still the highest level
00:08:23ever measured and what is very concerning is not only the level but the
00:08:26duration. 71% of poor people in 2023 were still
00:08:30poor in 2024 and that too is a record. Long-term poverty, that is to say
00:08:34more than 4 years, has almost doubled since 2008. So, we are
00:08:37on and that will be the last word on a very worrying scenario in
00:08:41France. It protects less, redistribution
00:08:45cushions less and deprivations tend to last. So yes,
00:08:48declassification is not just a feeling, it is unfortunately very real, very
00:08:52concrete in our country. Thank you very much, Ludovic, and Sébastien Le Cornu announces
00:08:55right now a meeting on Monday at Matignon, a social conference
00:08:59with the unions and the employers. What is
00:09:02happening in the European sky? For 3 days, air traffic has been disrupted due
00:09:06to false bomb threats. Just this morning,
00:09:09there were 12. Moreover, several planes had to
00:09:13be diverted, as was the case for an A320 from Dublin to Rome, which
00:09:16had to make an emergency landing in Normandy. Manonbougo and Audi
00:09:20Longuvalle.
00:09:22The passengers of this plane were supposed to land in Rome. Here
00:09:26they are on the tarmac of the Évreux military base, in
00:09:29their. Their aircraft was diverted this morning due to a
00:09:32bomb threat. The plane is diverted to the closest
00:09:36airfield that can accommodate it. In this case, it had to
00:09:39be the Evreux airfield, which is a military airfield. Once the plane is
00:09:43on the ground, bomb disposal experts are
00:09:45brought in. On board, there were
00:09:48151 passengers, six crew members. It's almost
00:09:528 AM this morning when their airliner, an A320 from Herlingus
00:09:55Airlines, takes off from Dublin, heading for Rome. But
00:09:59after an hour of flight, the aircraft changes trajectory. It is then
00:10:04pilots.
00:10:08the Air and Space Force thus took off to carry out the
00:10:11interception.
00:10:25targeted this morning by a bomb threat, there would be at least 11
00:10:28others, and last Tuesday already, Ryanair flights were
00:10:31subject to threats, this is the case of this aircraft connecting Manchester to
00:10:35Murcy in Spain, inspected by bomb
00:10:38disposal experts, these passengers evacuated, who makes these
00:10:42alerts and for what purpose? Each time the planes are
00:10:45searched and no suspicious device has been found so
00:10:48far.
00:10:51Consultations continue more than a week after the election in Israel. This morning, President
00:10:55Herzog received a delegation from the United Torah
00:10:58Judaism party, an ultra-Orthodox party that this time refuses
00:11:02to join Netanyahu. This is very bad news for the outgoing Prime Minister, who
00:11:06reiterates his accusations of foreign interference, which he claims
00:11:09favored the Arab parties. The Arab
00:11:13parties seem to be siding with Gady and Zenkot. Listen to Mansour
00:11:16Abbas from the United Arab
00:11:18List.
00:11:23We recommended that Gad
00:11:25receive the mandate to form the new government, the
00:11:28government of hope and change, and we extend
00:11:32our hand to him while also supporting his efforts to establish
00:11:35this government.
00:11:38We will do our part in this regard to make this
00:11:42government possible
00:11:45and, of course, to bring down the government of
00:11:49Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:11:54who sees himself there already. He tries to redefine relations between
00:11:57Israelis and Americans after the Democratic wave in Congress yesterday.
00:12:01Thibaut Franceske.
00:12:04He is not yet prime minister, but Gadia Aizenkot is already looking
00:12:08ahead to the future of Israeli-American relations.
00:12:11While negotiations continue to form a government after the legislative
00:12:17the opposition to Benjamin Netanyahu says he wants
00:12:20to strengthen ties with the United States. Under
00:12:23my leadership, we will renew and strengthen the partnership with the
00:12:27United States and consolidate the bipartisan foundations that have long
00:12:30supported it. A statement that comes the day after a
00:12:34crucial announcement by Donald Trump, he wants to cut US aid to
00:12:37Israel, established annually by Barack Obama in
00:12:402019. The United States has always been a major
00:12:44political and financial supporter of the Hebrew state. Last
00:12:47year, Israel was the second most aided country by Washington
00:12:51after Ukraine. Interviewed by phone on Fox
00:12:54News, Donald Trump speaks of a mutually agreed
00:12:57decision. Bibi Netanyahu and I had reached an
00:13:01agreement that we would pay $4 billion a year to Israel,
00:13:05and we agreed a few months ago to end it. On their
00:13:08side, this suits them, because as you know, it has become a very prosperous country, they
00:13:12no longer need it. The announcement also comes as Democrats have just
00:13:16won the midterm elections, and if Joe Biden
00:13:19was conciliatory with the Hebrew state until his departure, other
00:13:23Democrats did not hesitate to criticize the scale of the war in Gaza and the number of
00:13:26victims. The American Congress may therefore be
00:13:30less inclined to help Israel in
00:13:31the future.
00:13:34This victory of the Democrats reshuffles geopolitical cards. Ukrainians
00:13:38hope for a return of American aid. This Thursday,
00:13:42Russian and Ukrainian representatives. The First
00:13:46Lady is calling for a lasting ceasefire in
00:13:49Ukraine.
00:13:52The five-time Ballon d'Or winner is hanging up his boots. He is retiring from the pitch at
00:13:5641, the Portuguese announces his international retirement on his social
00:13:59networks with 146 goals in 243 selections, he
00:14:03will have marked the history of world football and of
00:14:05Portugal, of course, winner of Euro
00:14:092016 against France.
00:14:12That's all for the main news. Next up is Roseline Fèvre, who will present
00:14:16the political
00:14:16program.
00:14:43It's time for the Political magazine, welcome to you. In the streets, unions,
00:14:47employees, high school students, different generations, but
00:14:50the same feeling, the same common denominator, that of no longer living
00:14:54decently. With this question, what's the point of working
00:14:57if you don't make ends meet at the end of the month? This anger is also that of
00:15:01two generations: those who work today and can no longer live
00:15:05decently, and those who are about to enter active life
00:15:08wondering what the world will have to offer them. The
00:15:12unions are demanding a significant increase in the minimum wage
00:15:15and an increase in salaries for all
00:15:20government is thinking and
00:15:24hesitating and will have to make announcements and
00:15:27perhaps not live up to expectations. In any case, we have
00:15:31just learned that Matignon will receive the
00:15:35unions on Monday. In the United States, it is another anger that
00:15:38was expressed at the polls. Donald Trump's camp suffered
00:15:42a resounding defeat. The Democrats took
00:15:45back the House of Representatives and the Senate. The populist right
00:15:49lost in Hungary, in Great Britain, in Brazil, in Serbia, but in
00:15:53France, the National Rally has never been so popular.
00:15:57Will France become the bastion of the nationalist
00:16:00right that wins the presidential election when their friends are almost
00:16:04driven from power or at least
00:16:08do not accede to it? We will talk about it with Laurent Joffrin, director of the free newspaper,
00:16:12good evening to you, good evening, Catherine Tricot, director of the magazine Regard,
00:16:15good evening Catherine, good evening, Stéphane Vernet, editorialist at West
00:16:19France, good evening Stéphane, and Tristanne Banon, good evening, you
00:16:23are an editorialist at Frontiereur and at Les Echos Weekend. Thank you
00:16:27for being with us. Absolutely, so before we start this debate, I would like
00:16:30to invite you to listen to Sophie Binet from the CGT, because today, as
00:16:34you know, it was the big day, it is the big day for
00:16:38the unions. Let's listen to her.
00:16:41Obviously, if the government does not respond to our demands, there will be
00:16:44consequences. So, I call on the government to respond to the demands. It
00:16:48has been 6 weeks since we told them. They tried everything to stop the mobilization, but it
00:16:52didn't work. They tried repression, they tried violence, they tried to prohibit
00:16:56demonstrations, they tried holidays, it didn't work. The
00:17:00only way to stop the mobilization is to respond to the demands, and
00:17:03the longer they wait, the more it will cost them. So, the longer they
00:17:07wait, the more it will cost them. So, it is true that the government waited
00:17:11for the holidays, for the decline in demonstrations, for the
00:17:14general exhaustion, but ultimately
00:17:17none of that happened. Catherine, the street took
00:17:20over. I don't know if the street took over, but in any case, it doesn't let
00:17:24itself be ignored, and indeed, despite the bans on
00:17:28demonstrating, despite the last-minute changes of route,
00:17:31despite the government's wait-and-see attitude and all
00:17:34sorts of intimidations, today there are even more people than
00:17:38on October 17, which was already a somewhat significant
00:17:41demonstration in the country's history. I think
00:17:44that there are demands that are very
00:17:47clearly put forward by the unions concerning the increase
00:17:50in wages, starting with the minimum wage, because we know that in fact
00:17:54the government has control over this salary,
00:17:57meaning that by decree it can decide to increase the minimum wage. It will probably do so.
00:18:01It risks being careful.
00:18:04It shouldn't look like it's making fun of people, because if it increases by
00:18:07€15, as it seems to want to do, it won't be
00:18:11very well received. I think it might even add fuel to the fire,
00:18:15because people will feel humiliated by an
00:18:18increase. I mean, a McDonald's isn't enough, you know.
00:18:21So, I think it has that problem,
00:18:25and also, more generally, an
00:18:29expression that is becoming increasingly political, because it is no longer
00:18:32simply a protest movement, it is an expression
00:18:35that is a movement that is becoming more and more political and that raises the question of
00:18:39our common future and, in fact, in which direction we are going, where
00:18:43we are going. That's why all generations are coming together, those who work and those who
00:18:47do not yet work, as you said in your introduction.
00:18:50Stéphane, you were looking at the figures for this mobilization. Well, we
00:18:54are not at the end of this day, but in any case, you
00:18:58were looking before, while the credits were starting, and
00:19:01apparently there are more people than on October
00:19:0417. Yes, because on October 17, the figures were the figures from the Ministry
00:19:08of the Interior, it was 500,000 or 550,000
00:19:11demonstrators across France, 800,000
00:19:14according to the organizers. Here we are at 60,000.
00:19:18So, 600,000 official figures
00:19:21from the Ministry of the Interior. So, objectively, it's more than the
00:19:24500 or 550,000 of October 17. So, we can say that it's a
00:19:28successful mobilization, yes. Laurent, on the subject
00:19:32of the minimum wage, some economists say that in
00:19:35fact, it's not a good idea. We will listen to Marine Le Pen
00:19:39later, who is against it, a debate as old as the minimum wage. Yes,
00:19:42because in fact, those who will be
00:19:46who will be 200 euros more than the minimum wage, yes,
00:19:49it's the "smiccardisation" of low-paid employees,
00:19:53but there is a context that must be recalled, which is very
00:19:57simple. Wages have stagnated, well, the purchasing power of the French in
00:20:00general and wages in particular have stagnated since the years and
00:20:03dividends have increased again this year by, I don't know how much, 15%.
00:20:07Uh, more than that even. So obviously people say, "Wait a minute,
00:20:10we say it's a crisis, but not for everyone." Well, these are simple
00:20:14arguments, but they are right. It's true, it's true that capital income has
00:20:17increased more than labor income, and so workers in the broadest
00:20:21sense feel that it's not fair, and so
00:20:24they demand their share of the
00:20:28factor that the right and the left
00:20:31should meditate on: it's that it's not
00:20:35explained only by the increase in
00:20:39capital income, this matter. It's also explained by the fact that French
00:20:42growth has been lower for years than that
00:20:46of other European countries. We are regressing,
00:20:49the average European per capita income. Before, we were
00:20:53above. So, there is a regression in our
00:20:56productive capacity. So obviously, when there is less production, there are fewer
00:20:59wages. So these two factors mean that
00:21:06would do well to loosen up a bit, because
00:21:10this situation could degenerate. I would advise them to
00:21:13loosen up. Loosen up what Catherine said,
00:21:16if it's €15 of increase?
00:21:21That won't get us very far. And is it fundamentally
00:21:24increasing the minimum wage, but also increasing salaries? And there, it's not the government that
00:21:28can do anything, it's businesses. I think there are
00:21:32several things. First, I would like to come back to what Madame Binet said, with which
00:21:36I do not necessarily fully agree. I'm not saying I disagree, but I don't fully
00:21:39agree. There must be government action.
00:21:43Obviously, we saw it with the students, because there, I think the government can't
00:21:46do better than eventually not calm the anger of action. The
00:21:50government, and this is where we are in a complicated situation, is that the anger, the
00:21:53feeling of decline among the French is strong, and not only among the French, we see it among Europeans,
00:21:57it is a movement that is in France but not only in France
00:22:01Europe, that we do not really see what governmental announcement
00:22:05could prevent it from continuing. That is to say, I think that
00:22:08the anger of the French that we see there, that we are experiencing there,
00:22:11is not soluble in any governmental declaration.
00:22:14And yet, it will be forced to make one. So, from
00:22:17there, indeed, increasing the minimum wage. I agree that €15 is
00:22:21nothing, but it will nevertheless, if it is a more
00:22:24significant increase, pose problems not at all for big bosses, nor even
00:22:28necessarily for more human-sized businesses, but for the local
00:22:32baker. I am not convinced. that it will be anecdotal for
00:22:35him, and indeed then the question of salaries arises
00:22:39more generally and there the government does not have a hand so we are still in a situation of
00:22:43anger and a feeling of downgrading that we all understand and that we
00:22:46cannot not understand, that is to say, when we see people who, from the 10th
00:22:50at best of the month, by working, cannot
00:22:53provide for their family, then Christmas is coming so we will have to
00:22:57say no for presents, it will be it's something, it's not just a
00:23:01frustration, it's a feeling of injustice that
00:23:04puts people on the street, how do we fix this injustice with an economy that is doing
00:23:08badly in a Europe that is doing badly and in a world that is doing badly with in addition
00:23:12many things aggregating, the fear of a kind of end of the world when
00:23:15it's in summer when when we see the heatwave, the
00:23:19fires in winter. it will be the floods, it will be all that
00:23:22contributes to the feeling of fear of the entire
00:23:27their exasperation, how do we calm
00:23:30that, how, yes but how do we calm that, we see clearly when we
00:23:34hear them, they talk about a bit of everything at once, and and we understand
00:23:37perfectly that they talk about everything at once, but how do we calm that, it's not a government declaration that
00:23:41could calm it, I think, I don't agree with Ms. Binet,
00:23:44maybe I suggest
00:23:48minimum wage, I'll come back to it because... it's a bit the subject we hear
00:23:52in all the processions,
00:23:54she, she is not, she is against this increase
00:23:58of the minimum wage, let's listen to her,
00:24:01our companies are in a situation too fragile
00:24:05to impose on them in a way, in an authoritarian way,
00:24:08an increase of the minimum wage by 10
00:24:11face it, in reality we will witness a
00:24:14wave of layoffs,
00:24:17difficulty, Stéphane, on that, is it
00:24:20that's it usually on purchasing power
00:24:24on my left but I'm sorry Marine Le Pen is right
00:24:27about what she completely but if she
00:24:30is right in fact the problem is that salaries in France are too low, it's a
00:24:34reality, and it causes a lot of problems, it's a reality
00:24:37it's the engine, it's the fuel of this
00:24:40protest and indeed where it is extremely difficult is like for the yellow
00:24:44vests if you want, if there is a part of the demands that are quantified, known and
00:24:47so on, established but there is also a whole part that has nothing to do with tangible
00:24:51demands that relate to a sense of unease and
00:24:54not by measures or declarations that you can calm it down so
00:25:00salaries should be increased the
00:25:03the how the minimum wage by 10
00:25:07am very much in favor but if the if the government
00:25:11decides to increase the minimum wage by
00:25:15who will pay this salary increase it's not the government, in fact it's the
00:25:19companies. but the problem, but the problem, oh yes, but
00:25:22Tristan, you were saying, in fact we are in a France that is doing badly, in a Europe that is doing badly, not quite
00:25:26we are in a France that is doing very badly, in a Europe that is not doing so badly, our neighbors, they have
00:25:29growth, yes, it's true, we are the only ones, I'm sorry, in fact, what's going wrong
00:25:33it was the atmosphere, I mean, they are all in the street, oh no, but yes, okay, that completely, but on the other hand
00:25:37if you want, from an economic point of view there is an elephant in the room that we don't
00:25:41talk about enough and clearly in reality our country is in a situation
00:25:44of recession completely, I mean, in fact, we will have growth in reality at the
00:25:48end of the year, we will discover that growth in France this year, it is
00:25:51zero, zero, and so in fact you have a large number of business
00:25:55leaders and small small bosses and so on, of small businesses
00:25:59including not just SMEs that are already in very great
00:26:02difficulty and things are not going well at
00:26:06all and so saying 10% for the
00:26:10all want it, but the problem is that if behind that it translates into an
00:26:13avalanche of closures of layoffs, a precariousness of
00:26:17work that is already at work in our country, it's the same, among
00:26:21the things we never talk about, if you want, I'm sorry but we are witnessing a very
00:26:25strong development of self-employment
00:26:28news if you have a lot of people, in fact it's an extreme precariousness of
00:26:32du travail en France, plein de gens qui passent à entrepreneuriat parce que vous avez des
00:26:36well, that allows them to have
00:26:40people working for them
00:26:44et dont elles peuvent se débarrasser du jour au lendemain en fait tous les tous les
00:26:48signals are in crimson red so be careful, in fact it's not as simple as
00:26:51that, you also think that Marine Le Pen is right, Catherine, no, I think she
00:26:55is absolutely wrong, in particular I don't see how one can claim to be
00:26:59a candidate for the presidential election arriving and say to hold
00:27:03this type of speech, it's absolutely
00:27:06despairing, without perspective, without a way out and I don't believe
00:27:10that this is the way to continue in what put us in
00:27:13the ravine, if increased by 130
00:27:17euros, that is to say about the 10% that are demanded by the
00:27:20unions, the CFD asks for 100 euros, the CGD asks for 150, let's say that
00:27:24roughly it's around 130, that is 10 %, we would return to the level of
00:27:28purchasing power of 2012, that is to say we would return to the situation...
00:27:36situation what I yes in a situation so the French situation has deteriorated so what we need to do is try to think
00:27:40why it has deteriorated, has it deteriorated because people have been paid too well
00:27:44or has it deteriorated because we have paid them too little because
00:27:48I'm sorry but French growth is driven
00:27:51by other factors but most of
00:27:54you all know, is driven by domestic
00:27:58consumption and that therefore if people Yes, if it were that simple, it would be enough to
00:28:03double salaries, well, well that's also what was done and that's for
00:28:07c'est aussi ce qui s'est fait et c'est par exemple ce qui s'est fait en Espagne et qui
00:28:11situation
00:28:12of course there's nothing comparable and so on, that being said, what we
00:28:16have done for 15
00:28:19years, no, we don't do it, wait for 15 years, yes of course we
00:28:22would have to work until 78 and so on, but what I'm telling you
00:28:26is that I didn't say we should but I simply
00:28:29it's not an opinion. has destroyed our finances and what has destroyed our
00:28:56finances, I'm sorry, but it's still a government that is
00:28:59led by Emmanuel with his brilliant ideas
00:29:03that he had been able to experiment when he was when he was
00:29:07finance minister under François Hollande and that
00:29:09since then we are told he has sold the
00:29:12demands
00:29:19the yellow vests, he released I don't know, 15 billion, he responded
00:29:23to demands, now the same ones who demanded say it's
00:29:26scandalous, there's a deficit, well
00:29:28obviously
00:29:31it's those who dispute the fact that he made transfers from the public to the
00:29:37private wealth in France, it's extraordinary for the 500 largest
00:29:41fortunes, but they went from 200
00:29:43billion,
00:29:50I can say it if I want to say it, you can say it, it's not
00:29:53true, it's not
00:29:55true,
00:29:59yellows don't complain, the minimum wage. the
00:30:01same ones who say we must increase public spending because
00:30:05they are right to do so anyway, the same ones then say it's scandalous, there's a
00:30:09deficit, so it's not the only reason, there are several reasons for the deficit, but
00:30:12there is still a contradiction there, it's we must absolutely
00:30:16give in to the demands of farmers, of
00:30:20all professions, one after the other, the government
00:30:23wants to calm things down, it gives in and then we tell it, but your deficit is
00:30:27impossible if you manage your country
00:30:30anyhow. there's a bit of that anyway, so there's
00:30:34not only that because he also made tax cuts that we shouldn't have made but
00:30:38that's not the only factor in the
00:30:41deficit and wait, I haven't finished, I haven't
00:30:44finished, I haven't finished, I haven't finished and and and when we say we
00:30:48just have to tax the rich, we have to tax them, I think we don't tax them enough but
00:30:52we must not also every time
00:30:54there's a problem we say we're going to make a Zucman tax but we can't
00:30:58use it 10 times, we can maybe.