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00:00:00presented by Alexandra Renard, to be seen on France
00:00:0324.
00:00:07according to the Ministry of Good evening everyone, it's midnight here in Paris, you are still watching the
00:00:10360 on France 24. Tonight's top story in France: hundreds
00:00:14of thousands of demonstrators in the streets of France this Thursday to protest
00:00:18against the high cost of living and demand salary increases. The unions claim a
00:00:22success. Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu will convene a social
00:00:25conference on Monday.
00:00:27the end of this edition. Thank you very much for A complicated day this Thursday in the European sky. About twenty flights were
00:00:31disrupted by false bomb alerts. A flight that
00:00:36history, never has was supposed to go from Dublin to Rome had to be diverted to a military base in Evreux,
00:00:39Normandy. And then in Israel, President Isaac Herzog
00:00:43will announce on Sunday who will be tasked with forming the next government
00:00:46after the legislative elections of October 27th. The
00:00:50leader of the anti-Netanyahu coalition, Gadi
00:00:52Eisencott, finds himself, as we will see, in a good position to
00:00:56replace Benyamin Netanyahu at the head of the government. We will go to
00:01:00Jerusalem in this news report.
00:01:01across France according to the Ministry of
00:01:14The news in France, first of all in France. So,
00:01:17many demonstrators across the country this Thursday. There were
00:01:21nearly 60,000 according to the Ministry of Interior, more than 1.5 million
00:01:24according to the CGT. The strongest mobilization of this autumn,
00:01:28demonstrators who demand more purchasing power.
00:01:31Raphaël
00:01:33Assencio: the streets of Paris are crowded, processions that filled the capital,
00:01:37but also several cities in France, between 600,000 according to the
00:01:41prefecture and 160,000 demonstrators according
00:01:44to the unions across the country. Education, ecology, and
00:01:47purchasing power. These demands are defended by high school students,
00:01:51retirees, and even families. Nadia Leonay
00:01:54is demonstrating with her son. She earns a pretty good living, and yet she
00:01:58has to make choices every day.
00:02:01Parisian federation
00:02:03It's 17 degrees in our house, but we make small savings like that, earlier this
00:02:07morning in Perpignan, between 3,800 and 5,000
00:02:10demonstrators, among them French people who have more than
00:02:14difficult end of months, like this mother of three, I'm not even
00:02:17at minimum wage, so at some point, it's not possible, I feel like I had a
00:02:21salary 20 years ago, I can't survive on my
00:02:24salary, I can't even survive, I can't even live. A
00:02:28anger shared by this specialized education. We work, we do demanding
00:02:32jobs, we end our months in overdraft. Is it normal that
00:02:36employees can't make it to the end of the month? No, it's not possible to have to make
00:02:39choices, go on vacation with our
00:02:43kitchen table, those of daily life, those of children, do groceries, do your shopping to fill your fridge with few
00:02:46means. In Lyon, this mother of a family on
00:02:50welfare doesn't always manage.
00:02:54Inflation hit me hard, even having hidden costs is a great
00:02:57luxury, meals we skipped with...
00:03:03I've lost count. In Marseille, there were between 14,000 and 150,000
00:03:06demonstrators. Here too, the watchword is incomes that are too
00:03:09low and not increasing fast enough, according to some
00:03:12employees.
00:03:18since the procession marched from And even in large groups, this demonstrator is demanding
00:03:20Place de la République to Place de general increases.
00:03:24However, salaries do not follow at all. We are offered
00:03:27increases with a slingshot and for very little of...
00:03:30met public hospital a purchasing power crisis that
00:03:34yeah, there is also a discomfort on strongly mobilized today reduce the consumption of fossil fuels and then up to 350,000 demonstrators in the capital according to the
00:03:38unions. Their representatives demand that the lowest salaries be
00:03:41reevaluated quickly. The minimum wage is 1477 euros
00:03:45net. Today, the CFDT is asking for more. Our basis
00:03:49for discussion is 100 euros, it's 100 euros per month because we really need
00:03:53an electroshock effect. Today, we cannot live on the
00:03:56minimum wage. They are not employees, but high school students... are still
00:04:00mobilized. Beyond purchasing power, they are worried about their future and
00:04:04denounce today's difficulties
00:04:06also, and also just of in physics and chemistry, for example, she got pregnant and we won't have a physics and chemistry teacher
00:04:09until the end of the year, we won't have a
00:04:12question, for example, of the ecological transition, of replacement. This means that next year, if I want to take physics and chemistry, I
00:04:15can't. To try to respond to this social anger, the
00:04:18Prime Minister announced a social conference with unions and employers.
00:04:21It will be held next
00:04:23Monday. A complicated day in
00:04:27Europe this Thursday for air traffic controllers. Nothing and
00:04:30travelers, about twenty flights were disrupted by false bomb
00:04:34alerts. For example, a plane that had left Dublin in Ireland, which was supposed to go to Rome in
00:04:38Italy, was diverted to a military
00:04:41listen base in Evreux in France. According to the prosecutor, the pilot
00:04:44reportedly refused to land on this military base. An investigation has been opened.
00:04:48Mannon Bougot.
00:04:51In this plane, passengers who were supposed to land in Rome. Here
00:04:55they are this morning on the tarmac of the Evreux
00:04:58military base. The same has just been diverted due to a
00:05:02bomb alert. A few minutes earlier, passengers
00:05:05filmed inside, without really understanding what was
00:05:09happening. Through the portholes, we realized that... were
00:05:12escorted by a military plane. We hope it's a false
00:05:16alarm.
00:05:19Was there a bomb on board? An hour after
00:05:22takeoff, the Irish pilot was ordered to change
00:05:25trajectory, but he reportedly refused at first,
00:05:29preferring, according to the prosecutor, to land at a civil
00:05:32airport. The French army sent two fighter jets, a
00:05:35Rafale and a Mirage, to intercept the aircraft and
00:05:39force it to land.
00:05:42fighter jets will make it possible to establish a situation, to have confirmation
00:05:46that there are no terrorists on board the aircraft, that no one is
00:05:49forcing the crew, so we are already de-risking the flight
00:05:53to prevent it from being used to create a new 9/11. It is
00:05:57following an email received by Rome airport that the bomb
00:06:01alert was triggered. A message signed by the male state
00:06:04fighters, the name of a Russian extremist group. And
00:06:08here's what it says: You are all accomplices in a criminal plot, we want
00:06:11to annihilate you. For this, your feminist regime will remember
00:06:15it forever. The explosion will occur in 60 minutes. The
00:06:18passengers of the flight were taken care of in these buses, they have just
00:06:22arrived at Roissy airport.
00:06:25It was crazy, this whole day was completely crazy. Were you
00:06:29scared? Yes, I only cried. At
00:06:33the time, it was quite scary, it's true.
00:06:37But all the crew, the pilot, they handled it well, they
00:06:40reassured us and now it will be okay.
00:06:44They must embark tonight on a new plane to reach their
00:06:48initial destination.
00:06:51In Israel, more than a week after the legislative elections of October
00:06:5427, which resulted in a stalemate, negotiations to form
00:06:58a government are progressing. It is on Sunday that President Isaac Herzog
00:07:02will announce who will be tasked with forming
00:07:05it. Gaddy Esencott seems this evening in a good
00:07:08position. We will find our correspondent Stéphane Amar in Jerusalem.
00:07:13It seems extremely probable that on Sunday
00:07:16he will announce that he will appoint Gadier Zenkot to
00:07:20try to form a coalition. Why? Well, because on paper,
00:07:23Gady Esenkott garners many
00:07:27more deputies than his direct competitor,
00:07:30the current Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, 67
00:07:34deputies out of 120, to be precise. So who are these 67
00:07:37deputies? They are, of course, those who presented themselves alongside
00:07:41him during the electoral campaign, meaning the party of
00:07:44Naftaliben, David Gor Libermann of Yair
00:07:48Golan, but also the two Arab parties who, it must be remembered, achieved
00:07:51extremely important, historically important, scores, 19 seats
00:07:55between them. And then there
00:07:58is a party that creates a surprise, it is the party of the
00:08:02Ashkenazi Orthodox who said that they did
00:08:06not support Benjamin Netanyahu nor Gadier Zenkot, but that they
00:08:09reserved the possibility of switching, of moving
00:08:12to Gaddy Esencott's camp. So if
00:08:16that is confirmed, if on Sunday Gaddy Esencott is tasked with forming a
00:08:19coalition, he will have 28 days plus an additional period of
00:08:2314 days to do so. He will not have an easy task, Gaddy
00:08:27Esencott, because he will have to find balances between extremely
00:08:31different partners. We said Arab parties, nationalist
00:08:34Jewish parties, an Orthodox party. To
00:08:37whom to attribute ministerial posts? What
00:08:40program to define? This will be
00:08:44the whole challenge of what should begin on Sunday for
00:08:47Gaddy Esencott. If he does not succeed,
00:08:51then Benjamin Netanyahu will be able to try his turn. It will be even
00:08:54more complicated because Benjamin Itaniou would have to
00:08:58poach deputies
00:09:01from Gaddy's camp, meaning
00:09:04to create a national union, and most of these political
00:09:07leaders have declared themselves
00:09:11against it. If neither man succeeds, then there will be new
00:09:14elections.
00:09:17And before we leave, we will see what will be on the front page of most of your daily newspapers
00:09:20in France this Friday morning. On the front page of Le
00:09:24Parisien, you can see the social mobilization of this
00:09:27Thursday, November 5th. A successful union demonstration, Le Parisien
00:09:30tells us, with 575,000 people who
00:09:33demonstrated throughout France, which is more than on October
00:09:3617th. On the front page of Libération, mobilization in
00:09:40unison: employees, civil servants,
00:09:43students, more than a million people, Libération tells us, these are the
00:09:46figures from the unions, marched this Thursday in France against
00:09:50the high cost of living and a cheap education. For
00:09:53l'Humanité, 1.6 million,
00:09:57a figure, the historic figure of the unions, less than 6 months before a presidential
00:10:01election. Interprofessional
00:10:03day of action this Thursday, which, l'Humanité
00:10:06tells us, turned into a show of force.
00:10:10On the front page of Le Figaro this Friday, no social
00:10:13mobilization, but the political situation in the United States after the
00:10:16victory of the Democrats in the midterm elections on
00:10:19Tuesday. Republicans launching the post-Trump war, the
00:10:23newspaper tells us. After the defeat, the battle for succession begins in the
00:10:27Republican camp for 2028, the next presidential election.
00:10:30Many are already distancing themselves from Donald Trump, including his
00:10:34vice-president Jed Evans. And then La Croix, for its
00:10:38part, has on its front page the return
00:10:41to America of Pope Leo XIV, the Pope who begins this Friday, November
00:10:456th, a 12-day tour of Latin
00:10:49America. That's
00:10:52watching. Stay with us on France 24. Continuous information
00:11:07and welcome to the debate, a day of mobilization at the call of trade
00:11:11union organizations which are taking over from the movements of high school students and university students.
00:11:15Among the demands, the revaluation of salaries, the
00:11:18safeguarding of public services, or even the defense of the right to
00:11:21demonstrate. 60,000 people marched
00:11:26Interior, nearly 1.6 million according to the
00:11:29CGT. Nearly 10% of state civil servants
00:11:33participated in the strike. A few incidents
00:11:36in the processions in Lille, on the sidelines of the processions in Lille, Lyon,
00:11:40Toulouse and Rennes. 70,000 law enforcement officers were
00:11:43mobilized for this day and Sébastien Lecornu affirmed that he would
00:11:47convene on Monday at Matignon a social
00:11:50conference with trade union and employer organizations. So we will
00:11:53come back to this mobilization. What are the demands, what is the political
00:11:57response, what are the consequences for the presidential campaign, we
00:12:00will talk about it with my guests, Anna Navaro, Pedro is with us tonight,
00:12:03good evening, you are a correspondent for the Portuguese press, welcome.
00:12:07Opposite you, Bruno Cotres, good evening, professor at Sciences Po,
00:12:11researcher at CéviPoF, welcome as well. Next to
00:12:14you, Jean-Sébastien Ferjou, good evening, founder and director
00:12:18of Atlantico. And we are waiting for Philémon Jouglet Marcus who is a bit late,
00:12:21he must still be in the processions, who is a representative of the
00:12:26of the USL, the high school union. And let's go straight
00:12:29to Place de la Nation at the end of this Parisian
00:12:33procession. We find Marie Schuster who followed this
00:12:36demonstration all day. Good evening Marie, it
00:12:40went pretty well, calmly. Good evening
00:12:42Stéphanie.
00:12:46Yes, indeed Stéphanie, and now it is now
00:12:497:15 p.m., so it's been about fifteen minutes since this demonstration
00:12:53officially ended. There are still a few people
00:12:57here in Place de la Nation because it must be said that the procession today was
00:13:00very full, there were many, many
00:13:04people in this procession. You can see, there are still
00:13:07some people remaining here in Place de la Nation.
00:13:10So there is a small confusion, as I told you, the demonstration is
00:13:14officially over. The police are present in
00:13:17large numbers on this Place de la Nation, notably with, you can perhaps see in the
00:13:21background, this armored vehicle. The
00:13:25police are therefore present in Place de la Nation and have launched a few
00:13:28tear gas grenades to
00:13:31disperse the demonstrators who were still
00:13:34stationed in Place de la Nation. But obviously, this scene
00:13:38is absolutely not emblematic of what happened throughout the day
00:13:45la Nation in calm. We met many people of all
00:13:49generations, there were even parents with their children,
00:13:52sometimes in strollers. We
00:13:55employees, firefighters, private sector
00:13:59employees also who joined this general strike day, and
00:14:03then students and retirees who came to support them, all with one
00:14:07watchword: boost purchasing power. Politicians
00:14:10were also present, Marine, notably left-wing
00:14:14politicians, we saw Raphaël Glucksmann, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, and Marine
00:14:17Tondelier.
00:14:22Indeed, Stéphanie, right-wing politicians were also represented,
00:14:26but rather in the form of caricatures made of papier-mâché on floats. We
00:14:30saw Marine Le Pen, Emmanuel Macron, and
00:14:34even billionaire owners
00:14:38of major media outlets in papier-mâché
00:14:41on floats. But indeed, most of the politicians,
00:14:45both male and female, who were present at these demonstrations
00:14:49were indeed left-wing politicians, including Marine Tondelier. We also saw
00:14:52Jean-Luc Mélenchon, Raphaël Glucksmann, who was
00:14:56slightly jostled at the beginning of the procession, but also
00:15:00Fabien Roux, whom we interviewed earlier in the day. I
00:15:03suggest you
00:15:06to him.
00:15:09And I will never complain that there are too many people, and today there
00:15:12are really many, many people, and that's good. It
00:15:16warms my heart to see this convergence of many
00:15:20professions, from the public as well as the private sector, but
00:15:23also the youth who are there... who push us and who make
00:15:27our hearts warm because they are also fighting for their future and it's beautiful to
00:15:31see us all united like this.
00:15:34Thank you Marie, Marie Schuster at the end of the procession.
00:15:38in Place de la Nation in Paris, let's have a word of reaction,
00:15:41Bruno Cotres, 600,000 people
00:15:45the Interior, 1.6 million according to the CGT, the mobilization
00:15:48is not really weakening. No, that's one of the really
00:15:52important dimensions of this situation. Indeed, we are in the 3rd
00:15:56or even 4th day of mobilization with impressive
00:15:59figures. We have crossed the half-million demonstrators mark several
00:16:02times. We will see the final count, but we are very high today.
00:16:06Indeed, together, it doesn't... it doesn't deflate the number of
00:16:09demonstrators, but it even broadens the number of professional
00:16:12sectors concerned, the profiles of the
00:16:15demonstrators. It's no longer just high school students, university students from the start, and a bit
00:16:19of unionism. Now it's several professional
00:16:22sectors, it affects the public service
00:16:24as well. So we see indeed a front of
00:16:27discontent and convergence of struggles.
00:16:31So you know this theme, the convergence of struggles, it's we see that there are
00:16:34different reasons for being present, that they are united by
00:16:38the dominant idea, it's the cost of living, salaries that
00:16:42don't move, purchasing power, and also a
00:16:45form of protest against decisions made by the government.
00:16:49But from there to make something homogeneous, to have only one type of
00:16:52demand, I'm not sure, but there is a united front, that's
00:16:56for sure, on the purchasing power, salary and
00:16:59high cost of living front. Ann Navarro, can you compare what is happening in France with
00:17:03what is happening in Portugal or Spain? Has there
00:17:06also been a lot of demonstrations against the cost of living,
00:17:09mainly? There are strong similar dynamics
00:17:13in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece,
00:17:16Germany, Belgium. Albania is a
00:17:20somewhat special case. And these dynamics are
00:17:24motivated by the cost of living, by low wages, by a decline
00:17:27in purchasing power, and
00:17:31and so indeed there is also great dissatisfaction
00:17:35with politicians. I wouldn't say
00:17:38a collapse of trust in politics, but especially in politicians, the
00:17:41ruling classes. So a very strong criticism of the way they
00:17:45act. And so indeed, and you spoke of the
00:17:49convergence of struggles, yes, in France and in Portugal, in
00:17:52Spain, we can also feel that there are elements that are aggregating, but I find that the word,
00:17:56the real word is the one that was found in the United States, for the situation in the United States,
00:17:59which is not very different from ours, in some
00:18:03respects, by Senator Bernie Sanders. who said,
00:18:06no, but what prevailed on the left of the left in the United States, he said that what prevailed
00:18:09in the concerns of the voters in the elections that have just taken
00:18:13place is "kitchen table problems."
00:18:16It's the problems we discuss around the
00:18:20paying bills, those of paying for school, those of paying for gas. That's what
00:18:24prevails today, and it's really the mechanism
00:18:28of the dynamics that are at work currently. Philémon Jouglet Marcus,
00:18:31thank you for being here with this slight delay. You
00:18:34were? You are a representative of the Parisian federation of the USL, high school
00:18:38union. You were in the procession just now. Do you have
00:18:42the impression that it's changing? How did you perceive
00:18:45these demonstrations organized this time by the
00:18:49trade union organizations? They are taking over a bit from the students and high
00:18:52school students. I don't know if they are taking over, in any case, they are truly
00:18:56accompanying it, and yes,
00:19:00we are witnessing the junction with all
00:19:03trades, and it made us very happy to see our families...
00:19:07also getting involved, whether it's retirees but also all working
00:19:11men and women. And so we saw that today and I think it is
00:19:15particularly striking, it is also one of the most massive days of
00:19:18mobilization, 1.6 million according to the CGT, 60,000 according to the
00:19:22Ministry of Interior, I give the
00:19:23figures.
00:19:26It's a strong mobilization. Was purchasing power really much more
00:19:30present there, whereas initially high school students were
00:19:34more concerned about the high schools themselves, the buildings, teacher
00:19:38absenteeism? Yes, but I agree with what you said, that
00:19:40there is truly a sense of, yes, this is what
00:19:44we feel, this is what we live daily, and in reality, the high school students' demands were the
00:19:48daily experience of our comrades, like purchasing power for our
00:19:52families. Sébastien, does it surprise you that this movement,
00:19:55this mobilization, is not diminishing?
00:19:58There is something that might seem
00:20:01surprising in the sense that there are presidential elections coming up, and
00:20:05often, and in addition there is no majority, so we don't really know who the interlocutor is, because what
00:20:09strikes me is that I understand the sentiment very well, I can
00:20:12understand some of the demands. You spoke of "kitchen table problems," it
00:20:16seems to me that what we haven't talked about much about the elections in the United States is that it's a bit like what we
00:20:20are experiencing, with a slight delay in France, that these are the first elections of the AI era,
00:20:24these midterms in the United States. Why do I tell you that? Because in a way, it's as if we
00:20:28have fallen into a spatiotemporal phase. You have people who are already in the
00:20:3122nd century and then you have people who are still stuck in the 20th century behind. There are
00:20:35people who, with new technologies, with artificial intelligence, both earn a lot
00:20:38of money, have a daily life that has become totally different, including with
00:20:42cerebral implants for example. Those who earn money
00:20:46now are those who have invested in capital. Very often, you earn more money with
00:20:49your shares now than you used to earn from labor income, and it's a
00:20:53new form of society that is emerging, a new form of capitalism. There have always
00:20:56been inequalities, but now we are in something different, we are completely in two
00:21:00different time-spaces. So I understand this anxiety people feel because there is a
00:21:04link between "kitchen table problems" and precisely what I am talking about.
00:21:07It's because how did the billionaires do it? But billionaires or
00:21:11millionaires, but it's not just millionaires because when you look at the United States, and the situation is
00:21:15relatively similar in France, you have a duality, the
00:21:18fundamentals are not so bad, in the United States they are even very good, never have Americans
00:21:22been as rich as in October 2026, in all of American
00:21:26unemployment been so low, but precisely because there is a problem of
00:21:30purchasing power and a problem of wealth on the other side, and the problem is not just
00:21:34social inequalities, it's how do we ensure that people continue to
00:21:37integrate into an economic system that is in
00:21:40two different time-spaces, and it's also a democratic vertigo
00:21:44because how do we make people live together
00:21:48who in reality no longer share the economic and social daily
00:21:51life? Yes, of course these new
00:21:55stratifications, sedimentation of the population, yes, of course, I think
00:21:58that what the whole country is experiencing, in fact, is a
00:22:02gigantic crisis that has been there for several years
00:22:06and to which politics cannot respond. Everyone in the country asks the same
00:22:09question, I would say there are two questions. One, why
00:22:13are we a great country, reputed to be a great world power and rich, and there are
00:22:17many people struggling, the most vulnerable? How is it that we are
00:22:21still a country that produces a lot of wealth and there are many people who are struggling and can't make
00:22:24it, there are young people who are coming to this
00:22:27demonstration, there are young couples who can't afford an
00:22:30apartment to start a family, all that. So, and the second
00:22:33question which is a corollary, which is how
00:22:37is it that this country which has a lot of taxes, etc.
00:22:40ends up with holes in all the pipes and doesn't know
00:22:44how to allocate, doesn't know how to distribute the priorities of public action? We don't know in the country what
00:22:48the priorities of public action are. Now for a few years, we don't know, we don't
00:22:52know, is it education, health, defense, in
00:22:55what order is it done, and so, and so I think there's a kind of crisis of
00:22:59meaning, very important, you would say a crisis of regime, Bruno Cotres, that's what
00:23:03François Sureot says in Le Monde today, institutions no longer
00:23:06produce any political responsibility, I recommend by the way
00:23:10reading this wonderful paper by François on this morning, really
00:23:13really really, and indeed I think that it is that, it is a crisis of responsibility,
00:23:17people say but but they...
00:23:27an enormous crisis of meaning which is linked to an enormous crisis also of this question which
00:23:31is where does the money go how is it that we are a rich country and
00:23:35with many people who are struggling, Fillet Marcus, do you
00:23:39agree with that? There is also a crisis of meaning,
00:23:42indeed also what future for young people with the but for young
00:23:46people what future for everyone for everyone, I
00:23:49I think that already the placement of this youth mobilization, why
00:23:52is it happening now? In fact, this summer experienced
00:23:56large heat waves, large heat waves, extreme heatwaves which
00:24:00created anxiety, so the more time passed
00:24:03in fact these last few months, the more anxiety grew among my comrades, among
00:24:07young people, so I think that it is also symptomatic of this anxiety which is not only
00:24:11if you want, which is symptomatic, symbolized, we could say, by the
00:24:15problems of school establishments, but which in fact is much broader, it is a much
00:24:18broader discomfort. And then more broadly, and you say discomfort, in fact,
00:24:24the part of this population because it has had political
00:24:27leaders, the executive in particular, who have spent their time for
00:24:315 years now repeating the fact that it has no responsibility, it is
00:24:35irresponsible, and this is a concept quite studied in political
00:24:38science on this self-designation of irresponsibility,
00:24:42we are not responsible, and so to whom are we talking? That's the question you're
00:24:45asking, so that's also why there's a return
00:24:49also of intermediate actors, I think, of
00:24:52associations, of unions
00:24:56the individual who goes out into the street and strikes because when we talked to our
00:24:59our union partners, they told us that they had had a lot of contact with
00:25:03people who were not unionized and who asked how to strike for the first time to actually
00:25:07put pressure on the government to be able to address it,
00:25:10Annavaro Pedro, do you feel that too in the rest of Europe
00:25:13and maybe that's one of the reasons why it's not weakening, this
00:25:17crisis of regime, the fact that institutions no longer
00:25:20produce real political responsibilities, does that
00:25:24also play a role, yes, and then a shift, a notion for all those who
00:25:28govern us currently in Europe, in the United States, in Canada, this
00:25:31notion, a self-sufficiency, a very sufficient
00:25:35belief that they hold the truth, they hold
00:25:39the right solutions, they know everything, and we others must vote, that's what
00:25:43people feel, once every 4 years, once every 5 years, and they
00:25:47they start to consider that sometimes... a vote and a blank
00:25:50check, uh, but to come back to those who govern, because you can protest all you
00:25:54want for 10, 15
00:25:57years, rarely does the street obtain a retreat or a
00:26:01change of policy.
00:26:05of governments, but just, if you allow me, I wanted to come back to something you said which is very important, it's the fact that indeed there
00:26:09is a new technological world emerging which is a source of anxiety
00:26:12because it promises many people who are at the beginning of their lives
00:26:15uh that perhaps they will not even have the right to a dignified life, we are not even
00:26:19talking about social mobility, we are not even talking only about the right to a dignified
00:26:22life, uh a crisis, no job, a crisis, well, an
00:26:26important economic crisis also emerging everywhere, debt again,
00:26:30but you were talking about people who live in the 20th
00:26:33century and others who are in the 21st or even 22nd, I
00:26:37would say that one of the elements, these people whom you can
00:26:41classify as being in the 20th century are those who are the most deprived in the face of
00:26:44climatic, economic and technological changes currently, and well these
00:26:48people also observe that they produce wealth still in this
00:26:51economy, and this wealth that they produce, it practically doesn't
00:26:55come back to them, just the essential for survival, but not
00:26:58a redistribution as we knew in the 70s, until 80s.
00:27:04And there they also feel this injustice, we were told, we know
00:27:07very well now, I don't remember the exact figures but in
00:27:11the produced wealth, the percentage that goes to 1%,
00:27:14the percentage that goes to 10%, and the small margin that remains for the
00:27:18rest, and so people are very aware of that, especially in France,
00:27:22so there, you are talking about tax justice there, or I am talking about, yes, economic
00:27:25justice, it's a phenomenon, forgive me, just to finish my sentence, it's generalized,
00:27:29it's not just France, so in fact, it's the strong
00:27:37inequalities have not truly widened, they are
00:27:40widening precisely with this new category of there have never
00:27:43been so many millionaires or billionaires in history, but
00:27:47when we look at the problem, it's that the other products, I
00:27:51don't situate it at all in terms of dignity or competence of each other, but you
00:27:55have an economy that precisely no longer produces much wealth because today's
00:27:58wealth is very linked to the valuation, to the
00:28:01stock market capitalization and that you have this double system there, there was
00:28:05a very interesting strike in Taiwan, so you are talking, excuse me, about a rentier
00:28:08economy rather for those who are a rentier economy, there was precisely a very
00:28:12interesting strike in Taiwan and what the employees were demanding was not
00:28:16salary increases, it was a share of the capital because precisely and the people of Silicon
00:28:19Valley passed in 20 in 2027 so yes but the people of Silicon
00:28:23Valley are starting to think about the consequences of artificial
00:28:26intelligence so sometimes they do it with a very technofascist
00:28:29vision but sometimes they also do it by saying: we will have to take into account
00:28:33this economic and social revolution and it's not just artificial intelligence, but France
00:28:37are we there yet because here, for example, the demand is to increase but I
00:28:41wanted to tell you, I wanted to tell you, I still wanted to tell you something else because I think there is an
00:28:44irresponsibility of those who govern us but there is also an irresponsibility of those who vote because unlike
00:28:48you, I think that for years precisely governments have not stopped
00:28:52giving in to demands one after another, which means that precisely there are no
00:28:56priorities because since we are one day, well one day the French want the
00:28:59priority to be the environment, the next day there was an event so the priority is to put
00:29:03all the means of justice on sexual crimes, the day after that it's on domestic
00:29:06violence and finally since no one assumes the consequences of these
00:29:10acts because that's also what we are talking about because the deficits did not
00:29:14fall from the sky, they are indeed linked to the fact that you have French people who continued to
00:29:18vote for certain policies who demanded social transfers
00:29:21enough electoral deadlines
00:29:23finally no but people voted for whom they voted, they supported
00:29:27energy policies for example that they supported, you cannot vote for people who tell
00:29:31you I want degrowth. and I want to
00:29:35the next day complain about the fact that you have a tax system that is
00:29:38punitive but no, but what I want to
00:29:39tell you
00:29:44our responsibility, the debt, all the problems we have in our country, it was our
00:29:48responsibility, us citizens, us
00:29:50voters
00:29:56when you find the legislative especially the executive who goes behind
00:30:00the last to propose a new one. While there is already a whole legislative
00:30:04arsenal that can solve the problem if it is properly applied and if there
00:30:08are courts that can function correctly, but on
00:30:11the essential, no, the
00:30:14the environment, it is important especially for the younger generations, it's true,
00:30:18but that came from Brussels and it came with the governments that agreed, we are well
00:30:22aware that it was not asked for by the street, but it's an example, it was supported by
00:30:26the but should we, for example, would you like to have a more
00:30:29direct representation, for example, how old are you currently?
00:30:33Well, I'm 16, for example, so you don't vote in the presidential election yet, so
00:30:36already, should there be referendums like in Switzerland,
00:30:40finally, having the impression of participating in citizen commissions
00:30:43perhaps, but that they are also taken into account afterwards, because that's also
00:30:47the problem, citizen
00:30:51conventions, by the way, which are very interesting in their results, but
00:30:54then it has to be used politically, we are asking for the
00:30:58right to vote at 16.
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