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00:00:00The recommenders,
00:00:03hello, good morning. We are, yes, hello, good
00:00:06morning. We are here at the President's Residence, currently observing them,
00:00:10the first recommenders who arrived at the Prince's Residence, members of the
00:00:13United Torah Judaism faction, who a short while ago told President Herzog,
00:00:17"We have decided not to recommend any Knesset member for the formation
00:00:20of the government." We saw here Knesset Member Pindrus saying
00:00:24the rabbis instructed us not to recommend anyone.
00:00:27And you know, we see here, since yesterday, President
00:00:31Herzog conversing with representatives of the parties,
00:00:34and Herzog is talking here with the representatives of United Torah Judaism and says, "I greatly appreciate
00:00:37the Haredi public and the study of Torah, but we are dealing with the question of whether
00:00:41it is possible to maintain a society of Torah scholars in the current reality, a reality of
00:00:44war." And then Knesset Member Pindrus says
00:00:47to Herzog, "We expect that any government that is formed
00:00:51will prioritize the issue of regulating
00:00:54the status of Torah students, because such a reality
00:00:57of persecution of Torah students is an unacceptable thing." And Herzog replies to him
00:01:01and says, "There is currently no legal arrangement that allows a comprehensive
00:01:04solution for Torah students for an entire society. The war
00:01:07requires many resources and also manpower to defend
00:01:11the country." We are actually seeing here the members, the representatives of United Torah Judaism
00:01:15who have arrived telling the President, "We abstain, we will not recommend any
00:01:18candidate." But I can tell you that Knesset Member
00:01:21Porush, who was supposed to arrive this morning at the President's Residence, did not come here
00:01:25because his position is different. Herzog
00:01:29himself.
00:01:31That's simply an excellent definition, Gili, that's exactly it, because in fact, his desire
00:01:35was not to abstain but to recommend Netanyahu, to support
00:01:38the candidacy of the Prime Minister before the President. Both
00:01:41him and the designated Knesset Member Stark, but Porush did not come
00:01:44here because the faction is supposed to present a united position
00:01:48to the President, and therefore the official position of United Torah Judaism
00:01:52presented here is one of abstention. But in fact, these are the first
00:01:56representatives to arrive here today. We are expected afterwards
00:01:59to see the list of recommenders rise and after
00:02:03United Torah Judaism. We are expected to see here in the coming hour the
00:02:07representatives of Otzma Yehudit, then the Democrats, then
00:02:10Ra'am and the Joint List together,
00:02:13and Yisrael Beiteinu, and at the end of the day, we will see here the members of
00:02:17the Likud, the largest faction according to the election results. And it must be said
00:02:20that at the end of this round, Herzog is expected to recommend who the candidate will be who will receive
00:02:24first the mandate to form the government, not the one who has the most
00:02:27recommenders, but the one who has the most chance in Herzog's
00:02:30eyes to bring about the formation of the government. In the political
00:02:33system, there is an assessment that says that Eisenkot will be the one to receive
00:02:37the mandate first, but you know the political
00:02:40deadlock, the complex one that we are facing,
00:02:43makes it very difficult, very challenging for Eisenkot
00:02:47to undertake this task. We saw yesterday the statement from Yisrael
00:02:51Beiteinu which said that the intention is to bring about the establishment of a national
00:02:54emergency government as soon as possible, but the numbers, how shall we say,
00:02:58are very challenging. Excuse
00:03:17me.
00:03:20I say in quotes, the professionals who say, "But what will be the future of the country? They don't study core curricula," but we are talking about those who do study
00:03:23core curricula. Heaven forbid, and then
00:03:26it changes.
00:04:02Maybe there's a possibility, maybe we can somehow make this circle
00:04:06become a square and we can bring about
00:04:08a constellation of either external support or a minority
00:04:11government that will be formed with United Torah Judaism, but that will again be very, very complex,
00:04:15it will also require an explanation from Eisenkot's bloc as to how
00:04:18after four years that we hear about
00:04:21the need for as many soldiers as possible and
00:04:24a law that will bring an end to draft dodging, how can it be explained that they will actually sit
00:04:28in a government together with members?
00:05:00Shas's communication drawing. Good morning
00:05:09Torah Judaism says, "We don't recommend anyone. We are not in anyone's
00:05:13bloc." In the previous elections, they did recommend. That is, when the results are clear, they
00:05:17know very well which bloc they are in. So what do they
00:05:20hope for? What options are they leaving
00:05:24open? First of all, it should be noted that this was said
00:05:28throughout the campaign. This was discussed,
00:05:30the whole issue of the Torah bloc, said it.
00:05:34The chairman of United Torah Judaism, Yaakov Asher, in his voice, throughout
00:05:37the campaign, and we also told the public, and we also saw
00:05:41it. We saw it within the public. We did a lot of focus
00:05:44groups, and in the Haredi public we saw
00:05:47the opinions of the standard Haredi
00:05:50person are indeed inclined
00:05:53towards the right, but when it comes to everything
00:05:56related to the conscription law and matters of the status quo,
00:06:00in the end, most of the Haredi public prefers
00:06:03the issues related to the core of
00:06:06his soul before all other things,
00:06:10and we see that now with what is happening in the President's Residence.
00:06:13How does the change bloc serve the core of the Haredi
00:06:17voter's soul? I'll tell you what didn't
00:06:20serve. The government of the last
00:06:23four years did not serve the Haredi sector, and first of all,
00:06:27there is a statement here by the
00:06:30Haredi politics of United Torah Judaism that says, by
00:06:33Rabbi Landau, that says, "Wait,
00:06:37what was will not be, and we will not allow
00:06:40politicians to continue, A, to spin us around and hold
00:06:44us as a sure card in their pocket." Gershon, did it not serve
00:06:47at all, or did it not serve as you would have liked, or in other words, will
00:06:50another government serve more?
00:06:53In the end, the central story of why this will certainly not
00:06:56serve again, the Haredi Knesset
00:06:59members are sent to the Knesset primarily
00:07:02to clarify the issue of the conscription
00:07:05law. And once the conscription
00:07:08law was arranged in the previous term, right now what is at the top
00:07:12of their agenda is to regulate this issue, and therefore anyone
00:07:16who provides a solution to this issue, the Haredim
00:07:20will go with them. And again, this was said throughout the campaign, that's it. But what's the chance that precisely
00:07:23those who really ran on the covenant of servers, on the fact that they
00:07:27will indeed bring about the conscription of Haredim, what's the chance that they will provide the desired
00:07:30solution?
00:07:33In the end, in the end, the public understands that everyone here will have
00:07:35to eat some frog,
00:07:39that will say, "Uh, you know, that will go." In the end,
00:07:50everyone has to eat some frog. We are already seeing,
00:07:53by the way, data of a 100% decrease after
00:07:57the elections, a decrease of over 12% in anti-Haredi
00:08:00discourse online. That means that the Israeli public,
00:08:04the Israeli public that votes for the change bloc, understands
00:08:07that they will have to make some changes here in order to form
00:08:10a government if they want to replace Netanyahu. And if
00:08:14they want to replace Netanyahu, there is a price for that. But since there is no fear
00:08:18that afterwards the Haredim will eat a frog, after all,
00:08:21what in the end can Pindrus or whoever
00:08:25from the United Torah Judaism party compromise
00:08:27on? It's a refinement in the negotiations.
00:08:31These negotiations are just
00:08:35beginning. Right now we are only at the stage of recommendations
00:08:39to the President. The path is still at its beginning.
00:08:43And the negotiations, by the way, already started a long time ago, and discussions
00:08:46were already on the table. Several formats
00:08:50of conscription laws, and they will have to see which of them
00:08:53they will have to compromise
00:09:09goes with a coalition of Eisenkot. A.
00:09:13And the people of the change bloc, by the way, even United Torah Judaism probably
00:09:16will not go there. As
00:09:18they say in our sources, in one package. Not for nothing, not for nothing
00:09:22we didn't see Porush and we didn't see the designated Knesset member
00:09:26Stark today at the President's Residence, because even there it's not
00:09:30exactly a full event, full.
00:09:33But it could be, you
00:09:37know, there's a term called acting out. It could be that right now
00:09:41United Torah Judaism is doing some kind of acting out
00:09:45with the change bloc against Netanyahu, so
00:09:48that afterwards, maybe if by chance
00:09:51they decide in the end that everyone here doesn't want a second round and they go
00:09:55for unity, then Netanyahu won't come to unity only with Shas, but
00:09:58will also come with United Torah Judaism into this event, even though throughout
00:10:02the campaign they said they were not committed to him. So the event is a bit
00:10:06complex. That's it. Let's talk about the next stage. Let's say
00:10:08they don't go to round B. What
00:10:12else can happen for Shas?
00:10:15Look, for Shas, they're all in with Netanyahu. There's no
00:10:19question at all. And what
00:10:22can happen is that, assuming they go. So in a unity
00:10:26constellation, it's likely that they will aim to minimize the
00:10:29damage ministerially
00:10:32against the drop in mandates now, unlike
00:10:36Knesset member Goldknopf,
00:10:39who throughout said that he
00:10:42and others who said that for them there's no bloc and so on and so forth, so they need
00:10:46to make sure that anger doesn't arise too much
00:10:49in the prime minister's circle and they decide, "Wait, you didn't say you were
00:10:53committed. Okay, so I'm not committed either."
00:10:55And therefore, it's possible that they're walking a very thin
00:10:59line here, but what worries
00:11:02me more, what is called in the perspective
00:11:05of Degel HaTorah, is how to deal with
00:11:09the mythological speech of Rabbi Schach, what was then
00:11:13called the "rabbits speech," which said that in the end, in the end,
00:11:16the right goes with tradition, the left does not go with
00:11:19tradition, and you need to know how to deal with this thing. So they'll tell me now that maybe
00:11:23Gad is not exactly.
00:11:46No, I'll explain why, because in the end, the perception is that there is a mythological right-wing
00:11:50party, and the party that competes against it can be
00:11:53Kadima, it can be the H
00:12:03In these rooms of what used to be Kfar
00:12:06Maccabiah, even back when I used to roam these
00:12:09corridors, you also speak a bit in slogans, because
00:12:12that's the situation. So if Netanyahu represents the center-right
00:12:16jump, then Eisenkot represents, because
00:12:18in the end, Yair Golan is part of his
00:12:22package, so he represents the center- left, and in the end.
00:12:25Who should I ask? I really, if there
00:12:28is something I look at with astonishment, how
00:12:31will they explain later Rabbi Schach's
00:12:34again, I say, mythological ruling
00:12:37regarding with whom to go into a coalition? By the way, Shas is actually proof of this,
00:12:41that things change, because Shas was not always in the pocket of the right.
00:12:44That's it. Shas certainly, meaning
00:12:47Shas, unlike Rabbi Ovadia, unlike Rabbi
00:12:50Schach, issued a halachic ruling then
00:12:53that was mythological, of exchange. Peace really, you can cede territories,
00:12:57of course, many years later he ruled that the political reality does not allow for
00:13:01the existence of that ruling, but but certainly
00:13:04the political perception of the spiritual leadership of Shas in many
00:13:07many periods was much more
00:13:10dovish, but I think that in recent
00:13:13years,
00:13:15there is a clear alliance between the chairman of the council, Aryeh
00:13:19Deri, and the Shas movement and Netanyahu. Try to
00:13:22explain to me regarding this alliance practically.
00:13:26I'm going with you, but practically, what does this alliance contribute
00:13:29if Netanyahu is not prime minister
00:13:32to Shas?
00:13:34Again, if Netanyahu is not prime
00:13:37minister, will Shas remain committed
00:13:40to Likud? The question is yes or what does Shas gain
00:13:43from remaining very close to Netanyahu when he is prime minister? I understand when he is not prime
00:13:47minister, that is the question. Look,
00:13:50in the end, the circle of Shas voters, and this is part
00:13:53of the constituent question.
00:14:08Both Shas and Likud eat from it together, and there is some internal
00:14:12movement, ah, yes, yes, yes, it's a relatively
00:14:16new player, by the way, partly because of some of the mistakes Shas
00:14:20made in the last campaign, or not in the campaign,
00:14:23but in the conduct until the opening of the elections. But but,
00:14:26by the way, when did I understand that Shas was making mistakes
00:14:29in the campaign? When I saw that actually in my Twitter feed
00:14:32they were enthusiastic about Shas's campaign. That's when I understood that there was a moment here, let's
00:14:36say, let's say something clear.
00:14:39The clash, the problem in Shas's leadership was that until
00:14:42the opening of the election campaign, no one internalized the magnitude of
00:14:45October 7th as a reality-changing event, and then they basically
00:14:49went about doing a campaign that essentially resolved the dissonance, the conflict
00:14:53between the fact that there are those who study Torah and the support that Shas receives
00:14:57from the serving public. Now there are two strategies. One strategy
00:15:01was to ignore this conflict and not touch
00:15:04it, and the second strategy was to try to create a series of videos
00:15:07attempting to bridge within this conflict. In my opinion,
00:15:11Shas acted correctly in the campaign by doing this and thereby minimizing
00:15:15the damage that could have occurred if it had ignored it. It could have been worse.
00:15:18Absolutely, absolutely. I
00:15:21think what they tried to do was to create some kind
00:15:25of way to bridge this dilemma. I think
00:15:28that given the circumstances, they did the best they possibly could.
00:15:32Of course, in terms of the final result, this is a
00:15:36very significant collapse. Gershon, in the end,
00:15:39both parties, both United Torah Judaism and Shas, today at the President's Residence,
00:15:43before the President, are trying to strengthen
00:15:47their power in negotiations that will or will not
00:15:50happen later. Each one is doing the opposite
00:15:52thing.
00:15:55Very true. First of all, very true.
00:15:58In connection, to what was said before. First
00:16:02of all, they turned Netanyahu into a
00:16:05religious person. He... Everyone who knows
00:16:09him, he is among the most secular prime ministers
00:16:13who have been here in the State of Israel.
00:16:16Excuse me for interrupting you, but that's not so relevant, because the question is not what he does in his home
00:16:20and in which restaurants he eats, the question
00:16:23is how he is perceived. Certainly, certainly, I
00:16:26am completing. And therefore, I say, there is a new person here named Gadi
00:16:29Eisenkot, and to give him a chance, uh, that
00:16:33is not, I think it will not be so far-fetched. So that's
00:16:37it. At that level. And therefore, uh, and therefore what
00:16:40you said earlier regarding Rabbi Schach, first of all, things
00:16:44have also changed. The left in Israel in these
00:16:47years is no longer the left, meaning there is a left
00:16:50in Israel, but most of the people in Israel are right-wing. Most of
00:16:54those who make up the change bloc are a public
00:16:57that is centrist, some of whom are even perhaps inclined to the right
00:17:01who are fed up with Netanyahu. And therefore, the Haredi
00:17:04alliance is not so, but the question, Gershon.
00:17:07The question is how the average Haredi person will react when Yair Golan
00:17:11sits in the same coalition on a senior and significant
00:17:15portfolio and influences Jewish identity in the State of Israel
00:17:18on budgets for the Ministry
00:17:21of Education, for example, influences moves that will be very, very
00:17:24difficult for them to live with. How, where will the Haredi citizen
00:17:28in the street think when he sees Yair Golan in charge
00:17:32from his perspective? That's the question. Again, again, certainly. Is it
00:17:35natural in the end for a person
00:17:39to be with people like Yair Golan? The answer is, certainly
00:17:43and absolutely not. Is the Haredi person, above all, concerned with the conscription
00:17:47law? Certainly and absolutely yes. And again, as I said before, everyone will have
00:17:51to swallow some frog, and time will tell
00:17:54what kind of step will be taken. For United
00:17:57Torah Judaism, it's Yair Golan. Well, it seems
00:18:00strange to me, but okay. I say, time will tell. Everyone is trying
00:18:04even before, even before the recommendation now, spin
00:18:08and statements and all sorts of spokespeople with them. I recommend
00:18:11to everyone, let's wait a moment. We are in a chess game, so let's
00:18:14wait a moment. I just want to clarify something. The opposition, in your opinion, of
00:18:17the Haredi public to Yair Golan, is it because
00:18:21of his statements about the war or because of his statements about the Haredi
00:18:24public or about the separation of religion, or is he simply
00:18:27left-wing? That is, what is Yair Golan, the red
00:18:31flag for the Haredi public? Statements were also made by Smotrich about
00:18:35Rabbi Landau, what was said. That is, serious
00:18:38things were said about the Haredi public from all directions. So if the Haredi public chooses not to sit with anyone
00:18:42who said things against it, the Haredi public can remain alone in the opposition. You
00:18:45understand, but you understand that there is a gap
00:18:48between thoughts and statements and
00:18:51action. I you, you and I do not
00:18:55see Bezalel Smotrich working
00:18:57against the Haredi public or the Haredi sector
00:19:01in his coalition. And you, but no one sees Bezalel Smotrich succeeding in being part
00:19:04of a homogeneous coalition like.
00:19:11But but but I have no
00:19:14doubt that if Netanyahu needs to choose two partners to go with
00:19:17to unity, he chooses Shas and Religious Zionism and not United
00:19:21Torah Judaism and Otzma Yehudit. If if it
00:19:24will be by agreement and everyone comes with everyone, then joy and celebration and a balloon for every child,
00:19:28but but the opposition, in my opinion,
00:19:31or the feelings towards Yair Golan are because
00:19:35of his views on the.
00:19:42This idea, this is the end of every balloon if we are
00:19:45already in. So no, but in the end, the bottom line is that there is a
00:19:49strategic statement by United Torah Judaism: whoever
00:19:51did not give a conscription law to the Haredi sector and thought he was in their
00:19:55pocket will not continue to be so. Again, what
00:19:58will happen in the end, in what constellation? The Torah
00:20:01of God.
00:20:04This is the next stage in this chess game, but first of all, as a statement.
00:20:09"We are not in anyone's pocket." There is a statement here that is super important. What I understand from our conversation
00:20:12is that United Torah Judaism and Shas need to talk to each other for a moment.
00:20:15This, by the way, if one is in
00:20:19and the other is out, that will be the most fatal
00:20:22thing for the attempt to regulate the status of Yeshiva
00:20:25students, for the Haredi public. Gershon
00:20:28Rosenfeld, strategist, campaign manager for United Torah Judaism and co-owner of Kfan advertising
00:20:31company. Roi Lachmanovitch, former advisor to the chairman of Shas for communications.
00:20:46yesterday the statement by Prime Minister Netanyahu,
00:20:50who defines the Arab parties as influenced by radical Islam?
00:20:53Are you in Hadash part of radical
00:20:55Islam?
00:20:58Netanyahu, we've heard him several times since
00:21:002015, and we heard him say
00:21:04that the Jews, that the Arabs are flocking to the polls. But then he
00:21:07apologized. He apologized afterwards. After that, after that we heard him say
00:21:11that all the Arabs tell him Abu Yair, Abu Yair. I don't understand
00:21:14Netanyahu, to be honest, and I haven't been able
00:21:17to understand him, if he, like. Wants the monarchy and the
00:21:20king to always remain for him, and therefore anything that is supposed to endanger
00:21:24that king is dangerous
00:21:27to the State of Israel. That's how he sees things. And therefore, when
00:21:30it suits him, he defines us all as terror supporters,
00:21:33and when it suits him, then he
00:21:36says that we need to cooperate with the Arabs
00:21:40and we need to fix the situation of the Arabs and we need to deal
00:21:53First of all, Hadash is not at all connected to radical
00:21:57Islam. I also don't see any Arab parties
00:22:00that are connected to radical Islam.
00:22:03And this statement is simply a statement
00:22:06that Netanyahu uses because it's convenient for him to use it at this
00:22:09moment. But I also see Mansour Abbas going
00:22:13further, like, further than
00:22:16Netanyahu thought, and therefore now he will want to go back to the roots
00:22:20of what an Islamic movement actually is, and then he starts
00:22:23defining what the Muslim Brotherhood
00:22:26is, and that's convenient for him now, and that's
00:22:28convenient for his situation now, like, when he
00:22:32succeeds, what happens is that in the State of Israel,
00:22:35the one who dictates how things will look is Netanyahu.
00:22:39The left bloc or the democratic bloc, what is called the
00:22:43democratic bloc or the change bloc, always
00:22:46followed the same lines that Netanyahu drew.
00:23:20This information was given to you as
00:23:23you, as a new representative on the election committee, is it transparent
00:23:27to you as part
00:23:30of the summation of the election results? Absolutely not.
00:23:33The moment there was a meeting, they talked about the Shin Bet's request
00:23:37to investigate leaders in Arab
00:23:39society. Thirteen said, "Listen," and the fourth one didn't say until we got
00:23:43the decisions, and I only heard in the evening that it was about Iman Odeh
00:23:47receiving some money, and then it's the Shin Bet who wants to investigate. I
00:23:51heard Zini several times over the past two days,
00:23:55each time a statement, each time a different statement. Once that it
00:23:59shouldn't change, it's about
00:24:02things that need to be checked. No one brought
00:24:05and didn't tell us exactly what it's about, because it's
00:24:08an investigation, and I understood that the legal advisor also didn't
00:24:12receive any material in order to, wait, I want you to clarify
00:24:15for me for a second. You heard the head of the Shin Bet, David Zini,
00:24:19say: once that it needs to be checked and another time
00:24:23that and a second time he said
00:24:26that it's about things that won't change, won't change election
00:24:30results, and yesterday he said
00:24:33that it's about thousands, which I don't understand what thousands means.
00:24:37Thousands, that it's about thousands of what, of votes
00:24:40that could be tainted. The understanding,
00:24:43like, I couldn't understand what it's about. After all, all the different
00:24:46versions, you can ask, you didn't ask.
00:24:50Like, when we were in the meeting, they didn't talk
00:24:53about these numbers, they said it didn't matter. Like, the information
00:24:56that was there and that was passed to the committee, that it's
00:24:59about investigations that won't change the election results. But on the other hand,
00:25:03the election committee is not a committee, it's not an investigation
00:25:06committee. It's a committee that formally approves the
00:25:10results of the calculations made by the election committee, no more
00:25:13than that. The one who investigates, once
00:25:15it's, like, an investigation, whether it's a police
00:25:18investigation. Once it's a security matter, it's the Shin Bet's investigation,
00:25:22and the relevant authorities need to investigate. But once
00:25:26even the legal advisor says that she didn't receive any information, how will the election
00:25:29committee receive the information? Now, look, when Iman Odeh talks about
00:25:33it being a balloon that exploded in their face, it sounds
00:25:36between the lines that he knows what perhaps aroused the suspicion. Can
00:25:40you explain to us what it's about? To be honest, I also don't know
00:25:43things about Iman Odeh. I'm not
00:25:47really into these matters. But I heard, ah, that
00:25:50I heard this morning also that it's about an association
00:25:53he founded, and he will bring all, like, he said he would return
00:25:57to the country and put everything on the table once
00:26:00he is summoned for investigation. But but the very fact
00:26:04that exactly when the Shin Bet issues its
00:26:07statement, the prime minister comes out and talks
00:26:11about the election of the majority of Arab
00:26:14Israelis who decided to go out and be part of Israeli democracy. After all, they always
00:26:18said that Arabs don't want to be part. The moment people flocked
00:26:22to the polls, and I personally submitted
00:26:25dozens of requests to the Election Committee to
00:26:28change the procedure and decide to let two by two into the polling
00:26:32stations, because people stood in line from the morning.
00:26:35Many people, I've never seen it before, people came
00:26:39to the polls, it's not because the parties brought them out, it's
00:26:42because of what Ben Gvir did to the right-wing
00:26:46government to the Arabs, and that's one thing, like one of the things that no one wants
00:26:49to see, what brought people to the polls
00:26:52is what they went through in the last four
00:26:55years. After all, it can't
00:26:58be that a minister goes to be photographed with
00:27:02a tractor that demolishes houses and says that's the melody he loves, you know?
00:27:06And that brings me to the question, do Hadash and the Joint List
00:27:09at all, do they look at these four years, and do they look at
00:27:12the policy they had towards most
00:27:16of the Zionist parties,
00:27:18and today understand that maybe it was a mistake, because I, I will remind
00:27:22that when Mansour Abbas decided to separate from the Joint List
00:27:25and go into some cooperation with the Zionist parties, there was a lot of criticism
00:27:29of him, even within Hadash, that he was making a mistake.
00:27:33Could it be that he was right and you were wrong? There is criticism and there
00:27:36is criticism, like, the moment he wasn't right and we weren't wrong,
00:27:40there are two, there are two approaches. Mansour Abbas's approach
00:27:44is that we'll go and whatever we achieve, we'll achieve. We say
00:27:47first of all, let's put things on the table, let's know what
00:27:51we're talking about, and let's know what they do want to do. After all, we
00:27:55get promises in '25 until
00:27:57the approval of the plan for 50 million, 50 billion
00:28:01shekels. That was in 2015, when there was
00:28:04a joint list and they negotiated about it. Now,
00:28:08when we talk about Arab Israelis, about the Arabs, like, the Palestinians
00:28:12who live in Israel, and about Arab Israelis and about Arab society in Israel,
00:28:15we are talking about a population that has already lived
00:28:19in a period of neglect since the state was established. We won't lie
00:28:23to ourselves, and there are things that are quite important, and now we
00:28:27are talking about the simplest thing, like, simply to exist,
00:28:30simply to work. Have you understood that you need to change something,
00:28:34to compromise on something? We are not saying that we need to compromise,
00:28:38we are saying that we need to set priorities, and the order of priorities
00:28:41is important. It is important for us to have an order of priorities,
00:28:45it is important for us, it is very important for us that a
00:28:48democratic government remains in the State of Israel, and a democratic government, the moment it
00:28:51operates, as a democratic government should operate, we
00:28:55will receive the same rights that we need to receive, but we are not
00:28:59receiving those rights, not because the Arabs didn't want to go with the Zionists.
00:29:33Like, the conditions he set, which basically meant that whoever
00:29:36needs to serve needs to, he talked about
00:29:39four conditions, which, okay, some of them he can talk to us
00:29:43about, but he doesn't want to hear what he wants. He didn't write what he wants to give. He
00:29:46didn't say that I want to establish a civilian state of
00:29:50all its citizens, like, every citizen,
00:29:53both Jewish and Arab and also The rest, I
00:29:57also disagree that we are only Arabs and Jews here. Yes, I also
00:30:01don't, I say there is a sea of people of all sorts
00:30:04of types and different in opinions and different
00:30:08Jews who think
00:30:11like Arab x, and there are Jews who don't think like him.
00:30:14This generalization of Zionism, as if they came
00:30:18and rose up, who are supposed to recognize the Israeli state. As if
00:30:20the law says a Jewish
00:30:23and democratic state. I also have something to say about that. But, wait,
00:30:27but you say that it didn't talk to you and still
00:30:31today in the President's house, on whom
00:30:33will you recommend?
00:30:35I think that the Joint List, as I heard, I am not
00:30:38the one who makes the decisions but as I heard
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00:31:29to terms and conditions on the
00:31:40political promise in Israel. Everyone admired him. He was a
00:31:44genius. So different, a Haredi from another source, he was
00:31:47a rock star. We saw hope in him, a bridge between secular
00:31:50and Haredim.
00:31:57He came hungry for power. He controls all local authorities
00:32:00in the State of Israel. He went from minister to minister and he convinced them to overthrow
00:32:04the government. He is the father and mother of government corruption
00:32:07in Israel. Terry, the premiere
00:32:11episode soon on Channel 11 and on Kan Box.
00:33:05of understanding of what's really happening. It's really a combination of
00:33:08reconciliation. That truth must
00:33:12come out.
00:33:17One of them just loads the weapon and opens fire at our
00:33:21forces.
00:33:24They are the head, they are to blame. There are many to blame for October 7th, I don't
00:33:28think the High Court is one
00:33:29of them.
00:33:33I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
00:33:35stories.
00:33:42I very much hope that the Israeli public.
00:34:15was in recent days that every day it happens, every day we are on the verge
00:34:19of an attack and it doesn't happen because we are not on the verge of an attack. How
00:34:22does it appear in the eyes of the Iranian citizen who also functions,
00:34:26I assume, in daily life, goes in the morning, drops off the children at kindergarten or school
00:34:30and tries to continue his daily routine.
00:34:33Look, the Iranian citizen is already busy these days mainly
00:34:37with one thing. I am, of course, generalizing, because we are talking about 90 million
00:34:41Iranians, but what mainly worries Iranian citizens these days is
00:34:45the economic situation. This does not mean, of course, that Iranians are not
00:34:48exposed to media reports and the possibility of war. They are certainly
00:34:52very worried about it. But in the end, they also
00:34:55know that the one who makes decisions on matters
00:34:58of peace and war is President Trump, and no one has control
00:35:02over President Trump except himself. Therefore,
00:35:06they follow the reports with concern. They are very worried
00:35:10about the possibility that after a year of two difficult
00:35:13wars and brutal suppression of the protest movement
00:35:16in January, they might find themselves in the midst of another
00:35:19confrontation. But in the end, they too have probably
00:35:23gotten used to this reality of neither war
00:35:26nor peace. Now, look, we know what Netanyahu's interest
00:35:30is, perhaps to heat up the sector, the front against Iran. We no longer really know what
00:35:34Trump's interest is after the midterm elections. But objectively,
00:35:38what do we know about what is happening in Iran regarding
00:35:41nuclear weapons that could justify some action by...?
00:35:47What we know in the nuclear context is that even
00:35:49after Operation Kal-Avi and even after Operation Lion's Roar,
00:35:53we must say, by the way, that most of the activities that were done to
00:35:56delay and minimize as much as possible the Iranian
00:36:00nuclear program, the vast majority of these activities were carried out
00:36:04during Operation Kal-Avi. In Operation Lion's Roar, I remind you, there was a plan
00:36:07that was on the table. Unfortunately, it was already discussed at length in the
00:36:11media. That plan was supposed to use
00:36:15special commandos to extract or try to extract those
00:36:18440 kilograms of enriched uranium from Iranian
00:36:22territory, from those tunnels, and perhaps cause additional damage. But since
00:36:25that plan was not implemented in the end, we are left after two
00:36:29campaigns with an Iran that, although it no longer has
00:36:32those industrial nuclear capabilities it had
00:36:36before Operation Kal-Avi, it still has fissile material,
00:36:39meaning hundreds of kilograms of 60% enriched uranium,
00:36:43much more than that at lower levels, at least hundreds
00:36:47of advanced centrifuges, underground facilities, and what
00:36:50has been talked about quite a bit in recent months, that relatively
00:36:54new facility, on which work began
00:36:58a few years ago, Mount Makosh, which is intended or may be used by
00:37:01the Iranians later to store uranium there,
00:37:05Mount Makosh, as mentioned. And therefore, these infrastructures exist,
00:37:09these capabilities exist, and this
00:37:11is the reality that in itself is troubling even if we do not necessarily
00:37:15identify an Iranian decision to break out with nuclear
00:37:18weapons, even if we do not currently identify concrete
00:37:21extensions
00:37:23to resume uranium enrichment in another facility. But in fact, you are saying that
00:37:27the same reality that exists now that could perhaps serve as some
00:37:31justification for another operation is the same reality
00:37:34that also existed two or three months ago.
00:37:38Meaning, there is nothing that has truly changed.
00:37:41Look, I am not familiar with the intelligence picture and I don't know the status
00:37:45of Iranian progress, both at Mount Makosh
00:37:48and at other sites that may be used
00:37:51for such or other progress, including in the weaponization
00:37:54program of Iran. But the capabilities
00:37:57that exist and that existed are very troubling capabilities. But here we need
00:38:01to add an important note, that ultimately, in order
00:38:04to deal with those, let's take the 440 kilograms of enriched
00:38:08uranium, although as mentioned, it's much more than that, but in order
00:38:11to deal with these materials, there are essentially two main ways
00:38:15to deal with them: either through some political arrangement
00:38:18that is currently not on the table, at least not at this
00:38:22stage, where the Iranians themselves would be willing, of course, in exchange
00:38:25for lifting sanctions and releasing frozen assets, to deal
00:38:29with this material. This could be either taking it out or diluting it
00:38:33to low uranium levels. And the second option is the option of
00:38:36a special operation, ground, commando,
00:38:40because an aerial attack by itself, as we also saw
00:38:43in Operation Kal-Avi, probably cannot deal with this
00:38:46thing. Therefore, even if tomorrow morning or in a month the Americans or
00:38:50the Israelis attack Mount Makosh, then that can certainly delay
00:38:53for a certain period the ability to use that site
00:38:57to store uranium, but the materials themselves,
00:39:01the centrifuges themselves, the infrastructures themselves will still
00:39:04continue to exist. The day before yesterday, it was published in the New York Times that Israel
00:39:08shared sensitive intelligence
00:39:11according to which Iran is considering using chemical
00:39:15weapons against its enemies, Iran's enemies.
00:39:18Israel shared this information with the United States. How do you see
00:39:21this? Look, again, I don't know the nature
00:39:25of the intelligence, so it's hard for me to comment specifically. What worries me most
00:39:29about this report published in the New York Times is not necessarily
00:39:32the information itself. Of course, if there are indications that the Iranians
00:39:36have renewed their efforts to develop chemical weapons, that's a disturbing
00:39:39thing. One can, of course, raise
00:39:42questions about how much operational capability the Iranians
00:39:46really have. Yesterday there was a publication, I think, in Yedioth Ahronoth that said
00:39:49that according to the IDF, there is currently no concrete threat that requires
00:39:53special warnings, but what is very concerning in this
00:39:56report is the statement or the claim
00:39:59that American intelligence treats Israeli claims
00:40:02with a great deal of skepticism. And here
00:40:05we must say that if there was indeed an exaggeration
00:40:09given to intelligence information
00:40:12of one kind or another, or worse, if intelligence information was presented in a more
00:40:16severe way in order to convince the Americans
00:40:19to launch an attack, then that is something
00:40:22that already calls into question the credibility of the Israeli
00:40:26intelligence community. At least in the eyes of the American side, and that
00:40:30in itself is very, very disturbing. All the more so that this
00:40:33comes after the operation that Israel pushed the United
00:40:37States into an action
00:40:40that was fraught with questions
00:40:43to replace, to overthrow the regime. That is,
00:40:46we are talking about an operation after we already know what the results
00:40:49of the elections in the United States were, the midterm elections, and we
00:40:53know that the same narrative you are referring to, according to which Israel
00:40:56pushed, and that the Prime Minister and the head of the Mossad were the ones who pushed the United
00:41:00States to carry out this attack, this is a narrative
00:41:03that is certainly accepted today not only among Democrats but even
00:41:06within the administration itself. We saw the tweet yesterday from Vice President
00:41:10Pence, and therefore this is something that over time will certainly further
00:41:13strain the special relations and the status of Israel
00:41:17in the United States, and that, in my opinion, is no less disturbing, and perhaps even more
00:41:20disturbing, than some of the threats that we face from Iran.
00:41:23And when Trump was asked yesterday about the blue tsunami that swept the House
00:41:27of Representatives and about the connection between the Democrats'
00:41:30victory and the war in Iran, he said: "Yes, it's
00:41:34related, but still this war was justified, it was right, it
00:41:37was important." When you look now at Iran's situation after Lion's
00:41:41Roar, is Trump right?
00:41:44Look, if Lion's Roar, if this war, which seemingly hasn't ended yet,
00:41:48because we might still find ourselves in another round
00:41:51of conflict, but if this war ends definitively,
00:41:54with Iran still having nuclear capabilities as
00:41:57we discussed earlier, with greater motivation than it had
00:42:01weapons, very
00:42:04impressive. Just this week, we were informed by the IDF that, according to estimates,
00:42:08Iran has about 1800 ballistic missiles that can reach us. This
00:42:12is more or less what they had, maybe even more than they had before the last two
00:42:16campaigns from Iran. How, by the way, does it manage to replenish its stock
00:42:19so quickly? Excuse me, how does it manage to replenish its stock of ballistic
00:42:23missiles? Because this actually creates, we
00:42:26know that part of the arsenal of ballistic missiles,
00:42:29about half, was stored underground at the beginning
00:42:33of Lion's Roar so that they wouldn't be hit. But that still doesn't
00:42:36explain how the Iranians apparently manage to...
00:42:45missile production capabilities were damaged, and therefore, there's no doubt that either
00:42:49the initial estimates were underestimates, or that despite
00:42:52the significant damage that cannot be denied to the production
00:42:56lines, they still have the ability to produce new missiles,
00:42:59and therefore, the bottom line is that we are in a very, very problematic situation, due to the
00:43:03fact that President Trump is struggling greatly to decide
00:43:07which bad option he should choose, whether
00:43:11to carry out another attack that is not sure to achieve the strategic
00:43:15goals. This is a situation that certainly indicates
00:43:19that the Iranians have indeed weakened greatly
00:43:22militarily, and there is no doubt that there were very impressive operational
00:43:26successes in these two campaigns, but the Iranian threats
00:43:29definitely exist, and some of them are even
00:43:33more significant
00:43:51political promise in Israel. Everyone admired him. He was
00:43:54a genius. He was something so different, a Haredi from a different source,
00:43:58a rock star. We saw hope in him, a bridge between secular
00:44:01and Haredim.
00:44:08He came hungry for power, he controls all local authorities in the State
00:44:11of Israel. He went from minister to minister and he convinced them to overthrow
00:44:14the government. He is the father and mother of corruption
00:44:18in Israel. Terry, the premiere episode,
00:44:22coming soon on Kan 11 and Kan
00:44:24Box. I am now
00:44:28in Shfey Yisra, here they still sell Yehuda
00:44:32Coca-Cola products. Excuse me, excuse me, what happened, what happened? What happened? Are you really asking
00:44:36me what happened to selling Yehuda Coca-Cola products after the sign.
00:46:52broke us after that, the country also, ah,
00:46:56October. Many countries have not
00:46:59worked with us since then. Wait, wait, wait, explain what that
00:47:02means. You were really a whiskey that was distributed
00:47:06worldwide and then suddenly what did they tell you? Don't send
00:47:09it here anymore? Yes. Exactly at that level. The Scandinavian
00:47:13countries, the Scandinavian countries, really, like,
00:47:16immediately. What immediately? You mean immediately after October
00:47:207th? Immediately after October 7th. That's it.
00:47:23Like, they didn't talk, not
00:47:26anything. Holland also, yes. The United States was
00:47:30a bit back now, but it was a very
00:47:33big one. But yes,
00:47:37Europe loved us
00:47:40less.
00:47:43It's amazing to see that during that time, we were at our peak. Everyone wanted to buy us.
00:47:47Everyone wanted our whiskey. Suddenly, boom, the fall.
00:47:51And what do you do?
00:47:52us. South America. We just started looking for other places
00:48:04less they care about
00:48:07Israeli geopolitics and they really love
00:48:13and on the other hand, we also decided not to rely on
00:48:17international barley for such things and to do it together with
00:48:20Kibbutz Be'eri. This is...
00:49:13realize that you can use blue and white barley
00:49:15from Kibbutz Be'eri?
00:49:19So it's not exactly like that, we didn't know. What happened
00:49:23was that the people from Kibbutz Be'eri were refugees in the Dead
00:49:26Sea, ah, two months after October 7th, they came
00:49:29to us. Of course, they were still in shock,
00:49:33everyone. And somehow
00:49:36they opened up and we talked about the issue of barley and they really said, their head of the branch
00:49:40really came and said, "Come do it with us."
00:49:44And that's why two months after October 7th, they had the emotional
00:49:47willingness to come and talk to you about
00:49:50it. the idea, and we jumped on
00:52:06weeks ago, journalist Shlomi Eldar published the biggest scoop
00:52:09of his life. On the very same day, he discovered
00:52:12that the love of his life was over. A rare
00:52:16and honest conversation
00:52:19about love and betrayal, about truth and the poison
00:52:22machine, about the warning given by the President of the Emirates
00:52:25to Netanyahu, and also about how to get up from the lowest
00:52:29point of despair. And you forgot that there was also
00:52:32cancer on the way, but it ended with good news. Saturday night,
00:52:36at the meeting.
00:52:39Looking back, we grew up in an absolutely crazy
00:52:42situation. Not a day goes by that you're not being shot at. Everyone from the age of
00:52:4616 received a weapon, beatings,
00:52:48dead.
00:52:51What are you willing to do not to give up on friendship? I'm even
00:52:55willing to die.
00:52:58I lived like that, that only if there is war, there is
00:53:00meaning.
00:53:03I lost my childhood at that age.
00:53:07Our children are growing up with a national mission. The greatest mission of a
00:53:11human being in this world is for his children to be happy. Would
00:53:14you raise your children there? Children
00:53:17of Hebron, Saturday night after the meeting,
00:53:21on Kan 11 and Kan Box.
00:53:25I don't understand what I'm seeing. A lack of understanding of what's really happening. It's
00:53:28really a combination of
00:53:30perception.
00:53:32This truth needs to come out.
00:53:39One of them just loads the weapon and opens fire at our
00:53:42forces.
00:53:46They are the head, they are to blame. There are many to blame for October 7th, I don't
00:53:49think the High Court is one
00:53:51of them.
00:53:54I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
00:53:56stories.
00:54:03I very much hope that the Israeli public knows how to believe
00:54:06the truth and will not follow the lie.
00:54:10Real Time coming soon
00:54:14on Kan 11 and Kan
00:55:15Good morning, everyone. It's 10 o'clock and we have the news update. At the President's
00:55:19Residence in Jerusalem, the round of consultations between
00:55:22representatives of the factions elected to the Knesset resumed today, ahead of the task
00:55:26of forming the government. This is the second day of talks. Yekla Haron is there
00:55:30now. United Torah Judaism left there a short while ago. Who else are we expected to see there
00:55:34later today?
00:55:37Hello Roni, right now as we speak, members of Otzma Yehudit,
00:55:41the representatives of the party, are currently meeting here with the President,
00:55:44and a short while ago they recommended to Herzog their candidate
00:55:48for forming the government, as expected, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But
00:55:52pay attention to other things said here by the representatives of Otzma Yehudit. We heard
00:55:55here also Minister Amihai Eliyahu and Minister Wasrao.