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00:00:08is happening here, and that, and I really got annoyed, I was like
00:00:11two days without a phone in the north, and that, but the reality
00:00:15is always seeping in because you come to a beach
00:00:18that once had a multitude of people in the Kinneret and you see
00:00:22that what the war didn't do, it did, and it's desolate
00:00:26there, and you arrive, yes, there are hardly any people.
00:00:39And you understand that the North
00:00:41is still licking its wounds and big time, and who
00:01:58look, while we are talking.
00:02:00Behind us in the room here the representatives of Otzma Yehudit are meeting with
00:02:03President Herzog, and a short while ago they recommended to him
00:02:07their candidate for forming the government, as expected, of course, Prime Minister
00:02:11Benjamin Netanyahu, but really
00:02:14surprising, Omri, yes, but what is very interesting is what we
00:02:18hear here in the conversation between the representatives of Otzma Yehudit and the President. First of all, both
00:02:21Minister Michaeli Eliyahu and Minister Wasserlauf say here
00:02:24to Herzog, "They stole the elections from us." Wasserlauf says
00:02:28to Herzog, "There are many.
00:02:30How can one say that there are true results and that they have not changed when the investigation has not even concluded?" And Herzog answers him and says,
00:02:50"There are mechanisms in the law that allow, if the suspicions
00:02:53are indeed proven, to go back, but we are not even there right now.
00:02:57There is no evidence, there is not enough findings." Such
00:03:00a thing that there was really an attempt to interfere in these
00:03:04elections.
00:03:07Right? This is what he brought from home, is that what they wanted
00:03:11to say?
00:03:14Absolutely Omri, and we also saw Minister Mich Eliyahu who, as he entered the president's office,
00:03:17already stopped on the red carpet and said these things, he said: "We
00:03:21insist on saying that there is a massive act of election fraud here,"
00:03:25and he says explicitly, "These elections
00:03:28were stolen."
00:03:33Or just, you know, he says what comes to his mind
00:03:37and opinion and presents things
00:03:39as fact?
00:03:42So we have to say that we hear from him and also from other leaders of Otzma Yehudit
00:03:46who say there is evidence and currently it is being checked, they
00:03:49say that from what they know, there is solid
00:03:52evidence that can prove this, that there was indeed fraud
00:03:56and not on a limited scale, but really on a
00:04:00broad scale. They are talking here about sums of more than 100 million
00:04:04shekels, 180 million shekels that were transferred in order
00:04:07to bring people to the polls and vote. Meaning Liel, they are talking here about
00:04:11proofs that they know exist,
00:04:14they are not presenting them, yes, for the avoidance of doubt,
00:04:18certainly, but absolutely, but you know
00:04:21that one can also say that if President Herzog is talking here about the Attorney
00:04:24General, whose name comes up, and he
00:04:27says, "I ask not to disqualify representatives."
00:04:30In fact, people who work in public service when they are simply presenting their professional
00:04:34opinion, and then the representatives of Otzma Yehudit tell him, "And what about the head of the Sabbath
00:04:38Casino?" And President Herzog replies and says, "I spoke with both
00:04:41of them and both are doing their job faithfully." I said this yesterday as well,
00:04:45for now the investigation is still ongoing and there is not yet enough evidence to
00:04:49talk about what you are talking about here, about what you are saying here about large-scale fraud
00:04:52that misled the elections, according to the words
00:04:56of the members of Otzma Yehudit. I will tell you that about an hour ago.
00:05:08We refrain from recommending any candidate for forming the government, and members of
00:05:12Knesset.
00:05:15It is very important for us to say that we remain in the religious bloc, but that the issue
00:05:18of regulating the status of Torah students is what will guide us and it is the most
00:05:22important thing for any candidate who wants to come and form a government.
00:05:25100%. We will get back to you, I suppose,
00:05:29later, Dikla Aron, please
00:05:33keep us updated, thank you very much, and we say good morning to Rabbi Moshe
00:05:37Maya, good morning and blessed, and a veteran
00:05:40and respected member of the Council of Torah Sages of Shas, thank you
00:05:43for joining us, so what, did you keep him
00:05:46yesterday? Yes, we asked him not
00:05:49to leave, all the Council came to him
00:05:52and told him that he must remain
00:05:56as the chairman of the movement. He is Aryeh Deri, Rabbi
00:05:59Maya, please explain why
00:06:02it is important for you at this stage
00:06:05to hold on to Deri as the leader of the movement,
00:06:09even though we saw the defeat that
00:06:12Shas suffered at the polls. I don't know if Shas suffered a defeat,
00:06:16there is a leader of the world, the Holy One, Blessed be He, is the leader, the Holy One,
00:06:20Blessed be He, decided that today there should be a unity government for one
00:06:24reason, all the signs are there
00:06:27that the time of the Messiah
00:06:29has arrived,
00:06:32but we have one serious problem, the First Temple
00:06:36was destroyed because of three transgressions, they knew about
00:06:39the transgressions, and since they knew about the transgressions, they corrected them. He
00:06:42says the Second Temple was built, the Second Temple
00:06:45was destroyed due to baseless hatred. The correction
00:06:49for baseless hatred is baseless love. As long
00:06:52as we lived as two
00:06:55separate camps in general, not as one
00:06:58people, hating one another, yes, then there is no baseless
00:07:01love. So you say, this is unity. I want to ask differently,
00:07:05Liel, when Aryeh Deri comes to you and says that he ostensibly asks
00:07:08to retire from the leadership of Shas, you already understand the game, you know
00:07:12that it's just a tactic and that he actually wants to stay. Why do you think it's a tactic, because
00:07:16it repeats itself every time? No, no, no, Aryeh has no
00:07:19tactics, Aryeh is a man of truth, especially when he
00:07:23talks to us, he certainly speaks the truth, yes, so we don't
00:07:27think it's a tactic at all, Aryeh simply
00:07:30understood that he had nothing more to do, and he said, "Why should I
00:07:34waste my time on all sorts of things?" What do you
00:07:37mean he has nothing more to do? He understood that the moment
00:07:40we, the public,
00:07:43didn't choose us, then we proved to him that it's not
00:07:46reality, and therefore they need him,
00:07:49so, so, so Rabbi Maya, help us understand, you
00:07:53say the Holy One, Blessed be He, governs
00:07:56the world, I don't think there's any
00:07:59great dispute about this, but explain to us what happened to Shas, from 11
00:08:03mandates to six mandates, I will
00:08:07explain to you why the Holy One, Blessed be He, did this, and that's it, now
00:08:11all the time, if Shas still received the mandate
00:08:14to form a government, and the Arabs did not receive, they change
00:08:18the whole map of the picture, then it would be the
00:08:21same situation, then the baseless hatred would continue endlessly.
00:08:23So what does the Holy One, Blessed be He, want? The Holy One, Blessed be He,
00:08:27wants to build the Third Temple already,
00:08:30to bring the Messiah, that's what the Holy One, Blessed be He,
00:08:33wants, so the Holy One, Blessed be He, wants a small Shas actually, if
00:08:36I, and now there is no Bibi, and Bibi has no
00:08:39possibility of forming a government alone. And therefore
00:08:43he will go for unity. Are you happy that Netanyahu has no possibility of forming
00:08:47a color government? If the Holy One, Blessed be He, wants unity, how can I not
00:08:50be happy? The moment there will be Bibi and the other one,
00:08:54they will not taunt each
00:08:57other, they will not degrade each other, they will see
00:09:01the beauty in the other, and then baseless love
00:09:04will come by itself. I want to suggest another suggestion?
00:09:08Perhaps, you know, Shas is a party that
00:09:13brought the Mizrahi message, made a revolution
00:09:16in Israeli society, and among other things,
00:09:18unlike your allies in United Torah Judaism, whose voters
00:09:22were always a hard core of Haredim,
00:09:25Shas also had many traditional voters, people who
00:09:29send their children to military service, who saw in the three
00:09:32years since the war broke out, that Shas, which wants
00:09:36to represent tradition and Mizrahi identity,
00:09:39suddenly. for her voters, even
00:09:43among you in the Council, even you, if conscription orders come,
00:09:46you will throw them in the toilet, and there is no help for Israel from an enemy,
00:09:50and there is no war of commandment where a groom leaves his canopy, perhaps you simply
00:09:53scared away the traditional voters, because
00:09:57your positions, to tell you one thing, that a large
00:10:00part of our traditional voters
00:10:03did not, perhaps did not vote, I am not yet sure
00:10:07about that,
00:10:09but if if we.
00:10:25My hands have done this strength, only I and I and I and
00:10:29the fruits of the army and the army are
00:10:31the burden, and therefore you also need to share the burden. After you, they went
00:10:35to war, you will sit here, this is their
00:10:38view, but the Holy One, Blessed be He, says exactly the opposite. Tell
00:10:42me, who, who, who is in Rabbi Moshe Maya's dream government? Meaning, what is the composition of
00:10:46your government? First of all, all the left is already promising all
00:10:49the promises, we will give you, you will not enlist, no army, no
00:10:53anything, just come with us.
00:10:55Yes, who promises that? Can you elaborate? Listen, everyone.
00:10:59I don't, I don't hear much in the media, so I don't know the exact
00:11:03names, but no, but certainly, you say,
00:11:06with all due respect to what is heard in the media, there are certainly talks in closed
00:11:09rooms. What, for example, did Aryeh Deri tell
00:11:13you? Deri, for a long time,
00:11:15but yesterday he was at my place just because I wanted
00:11:19to ask. So what did he tell you? Does he say there are concrete offers from
00:11:22the left? To join? No, no, we didn't talk about that at all, we just
00:11:26focused on the point, not for a long time, that we ask him
00:11:29to return to lead the movement. By the way, he agreed immediately, he said, "Okay, I'm continuing, I'm
00:11:33taking responsibility." I wrote him the letter before, and all
00:11:36the time, all the Council agreed with him
00:11:39in the letter and sent it to him and asked him, so he
00:11:42understood that, and then he himself,
00:11:44apparently, will resign from the Knesset, he wasn't
00:11:48all
00:11:50that he used to be, today he was
00:11:52most of the time in
00:11:55another place entirely, in the whole
00:11:58building. Tell me, isn't it time to go home? Isn't it time to look for
00:12:01a new leader? What, is Shas dependent only on Aryeh Deri? Is Deri
00:12:05gone? Is Shas erased? Why do you think
00:12:08that? If we have, why do I think so? Because he has been the head of the movement
00:12:11since 2015. The movement is at a low point. If he is a talented
00:12:14person and a genuine person, maybe there is someone more talented.
00:12:18There isn't, the reality is there isn't. We know, we sat,
00:12:22all the Council. And we saw that we needed to ask him, so
00:12:26actually, what, there's no future for the movement? Now, you know
00:12:30that Rabbi Deri has been with us for many
00:12:33years.
00:12:36Our future is in the Holy One, blessed be He, and if you had let me finish what I started to say
00:12:39earlier, I would have explained why I said a unity government. If
00:12:43a unity government, then why did you recommend Netanyahu? To tell you what I wanted
00:12:47to, why, but she recommended Netanyahu. Let me go back to what
00:12:50I wanted to say earlier, and then you'll understand many things. The question is a simple
00:12:54question. The House was destroyed because they knew the iniquity. The Second Temple
00:12:58was destroyed because of baseless hatred, there will only be baseless love. Today,
00:13:01in the current situation that existed until today, there is no
00:13:05possibility of baseless hatred. The taunting will continue,
00:13:08the hatred will continue, the seeing
00:13:11of women will continue, and in short,
00:13:15I give you the highest mark
00:13:17that you heated up the whole world. Who
00:13:21is that you? If yes, this is the reality. No, who are
00:13:25you who heated up the whole
00:13:26world?
00:13:30of yours, you know, there is a warning that some of you
00:13:34in the Council of Torah Sages of Shas contributed to baseless
00:13:37hatred when you said, when you said, when you said,
00:13:40whoever receives a conscription order should throw it in the toilet, if we get
00:13:43conscription orders, leave the country, not
00:13:47the Council as a council, but members of the Council. I'll tell you
00:13:50one thing, in our synagogue for years
00:13:54and years. And to this day, when
00:13:57they open the Holy Ark, it says, when they open the Holy Ark
00:14:01to take out a Torah scroll, the gates of heaven open with mercy,
00:14:05and believe me, there are early minyanim that are in a great
00:14:08hurry, and yet every time the Ark is opened,
00:14:1210 minutes are spent praying for the soldiers, that the Holy One, blessed be He,
00:14:15will succeed in their hands and everything, so it seems there is something against
00:14:19the soldiers. No, but they don't want to be, they don't want to be
00:14:22soldiers, that's the problem. The question is...
00:14:51What about the words of the Rambam who says even a groom from his room and a bride? You interpret
00:15:25the verses correctly. What will you study Rambam well and understand
00:15:29what the Holy One, blessed be He, really wants and what are the commandments of the Holy One, blessed be He,
00:15:32and how He leads the world? Rabbi Maya, why should my son, my four
00:15:36sons, go?
00:15:58If you open the portion of Bechukotai, what the Holy One, Blessed be He, says, He says, "And five of you shall chase a hundred,
00:16:02and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight, and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword."
00:16:05Everything is written, everything is written in the portion.
00:16:10There is currently, when you hear, wait, Rabbi Maya, but you, you know, you are in spiritual leadership,
00:16:14but you are in the spiritual leadership of a movement that is also a political movement that has a great influence on
00:16:18Israeli society, and you are a person with responsibility. When you hear
00:16:22the Chief of Staff say in discussions, "I don't have
00:16:26manpower, I am short tens of thousands of soldiers to
00:16:29deal with all the calls," he
00:16:31says, "You don't have manpower, but don't harm
00:16:35Torah students if you want to succeed."
00:17:45So I explain, I want a government not with the extreme
00:17:47left, I want a government only with
00:17:51Gantz and with Bibi, and the rest will be completed
00:17:55by us, the Haredim, the religious will complete
00:17:58the rest, and we will have 68,
00:18:01with quiet, that's it, who are the Haredim and the religious, honorable
00:18:05Haredim, we, how many are we Haredim? No, Haredim also includes
00:18:08United Torah Judaism, Shas, six mandates,
00:18:12yes, these are right, they are seven and we are six, that's
00:18:1611. By the way, why don't you join a left-wing government? You
00:18:19were Deputy Minister of Education in Rabin's government, right, that today
00:18:22the leftists are in favor, meaning they will not
00:18:25be able to retract what they loudly shouted
00:18:29that yeshiva students must be drafted.
00:18:31Therefore, I don't, I don't delude myself
00:18:35that they will change their minds like
00:18:40you said that Haredim must go. The Holy One, blessed be He,
00:18:43said that they should not go, that they
00:18:46are only the protection of the people of Israel, and I will perform all the great
00:18:50miracles so that the people of Israel will win, but
00:18:54first of all, yeshiva students, don't touch them,
00:18:57let them toil in Torah. That is what the Holy One, blessed be He,
00:19:01wants, and therefore I said, "Let's do 'Ayn' and this
00:19:05yes." And with Bibi
00:19:07in rotation, all the good things, and we will have
00:19:11a government, that then they will not attack each other, because they will all
00:19:14be in the same government, or consequently, the Messiah
00:19:16is at the door, why? Because there will be peace,
00:19:20there will be unity among us. Very good, Rabbi Moshe
00:19:23Maya, veteran and respected member of the Council of Great
00:19:27Torah Sages, thank you very much, I wish you long life and robust
00:19:30health, thank you very much, thank you
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00:19:36B. Immediately.
00:20:10I don't understand what I'm seeing, a lack of understanding of what's really happening, this
00:20:13is truly a combination of
00:20:15the concept, this truth must
00:20:18come out,
00:20:24one of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire in our
00:20:28direction,
00:20:31they are the head, you are to blame, there are many to blame for October 7th, I don't
00:20:34think the Supreme Court is one of them.
00:20:39I've never seen such a thing, I've never heard such
00:20:41stories.
00:20:48I very much hope that the Israeli public will know
00:20:52to believe the truth and will not follow lies.
00:20:55A Time for Truth coming soon
00:20:59on Kan 11, loved here,
00:21:00box.
00:21:04Tomorrow on Garlic, Pepper and Olive Oil, the Jerusalem pastry chef couple,
00:21:07Keren and Itzik Kadosh, will host me
00:21:11in my kitchen. There will be a lot of sweetness, but not
00:21:14only that. We came to evacuate. Crime is cooking. What more do
00:21:17we need than that? Tomorrow.
00:21:20You know, Liel, this week we marked 31 years since the assassination
00:21:36of Yitzhak Rabin, an event
00:21:38that passed under the radar for
00:21:42most of us because the pace of events here is a crazy
00:21:45pace, and also because we tend to forget after the years pass. And to remember,
00:21:49we. We invited this morning the former Director General of the Prime Minister's
00:21:53Office, Shimon Sheves. Good morning. Good
00:21:57morning. One of the closest people to Yitzhak Rabin
00:22:00during his tenure as Prime Minister and until
00:22:03the assassination. Tell me, is it just us who think that this anniversary
00:22:06no longer interests anyone?
00:22:09No, it is indeed a very
00:22:11difficult event.
00:22:14For a person like me who lived through the assassination
00:22:1731 years, to experience
00:22:21the state of Israel 31 years later,
00:22:25ah, that almost no one remembers, they try to make us forget
00:22:28and to forget, and for many years now, even the education
00:22:32system partly, by the way, I was in many
00:22:36educational institutions that hold very respectable memorial days, I also
00:22:39participated in a few of those, and yesterday there was also a large
00:22:43conference of youth movements in Arsal, but overall the state as a state tries
00:22:47to forget and to invest. Shimon, let's
00:22:50go, let's say, I don't know, 31 years
00:22:53back or 30 years back,
00:22:57ah, how did you imagine
00:23:00that this terrible disaster, this low point
00:23:04in Israeli society, would affect us in the future?
00:23:07Compared to what you see here today, I
00:23:11said, on the night of the assassination, I said
00:23:14in a very measured and cold way, that the state
00:23:17of Israel that existed before the assassination would never be the same state, but did you think it would
00:23:21get better or that we would learn our lesson from the assassination or
00:23:25that we would reach the situation we are in? I
00:23:29I thought more or less that throughout the years we would reach the situation
00:23:33we are in today, because there are forces
00:23:36in the state, ah, the division
00:23:40and the disconnection between one person
00:23:42and another has grown or has not
00:23:46diminished. Ah, I hear what
00:23:50Rabbi Maya said, I heard your interview with him, he was
00:23:53such an active participant in Rabin's government
00:23:56in '92, he was Deputy Minister of Education, he was
00:23:59Shulamit Aloni's deputy, do you understand what a
00:24:03drama it was that Rabbi Maya was Deputy Minister of Education
00:24:07and Culture for Shulamit Aloni of
00:24:10Meretz, from Meretz, yes, and you heard him
00:24:13now, and what did you think? That this is what happened to us, the world
00:24:17changed, the world became extreme,
00:24:21dark, ah, extreme, messianic.
00:24:25Ah, I saw the phenomena
00:24:27of, people think that the incitement to assassinate
00:24:31Rabin started in Oslo, the incitement to assassinate
00:24:35Rabin started long before Oslo, so when you
00:24:39hear sentences this week, such that received a lot
00:24:42of attention in the public, like a protester shouting,
00:24:46"We will return you to Birkenau or Auschwitz, we will rebuild Sobibor for you."
00:24:50Protesters outside the home of the head of the direct
00:24:53Gantz, who shout sentences of the kind
00:24:57Omri is talking about. As someone who has
00:25:00mileage, exposed to incitement in this life, what, what, what do you
00:25:04think? I think that the issue
00:25:07of incitement, the issue of delegitimization, the issue
00:25:10of rebellion, the issue of not accepting the other,
00:25:14the issue of lack of tolerance, the issue of
00:25:17messianism, you see what's happening in four years. This country,
00:25:20we all know, all of us, including you, including
00:25:24all of us, what's happening in Judea and Samaria in the last four years,
00:25:28you hear an outcry in the Israeli public, that there is
00:25:31a Jewish public rioting, a rioting terrorist
00:25:35in Judea and Samaria, yes, by the way, there are voices of condemnation, even from within religious
00:25:39Zionism, I must point out, it's also important to state this, yes,
00:25:43the statement, I understand there are differences of opinion, but I want to say the statements that I
00:25:46want to say, there are
00:25:50in Israel, and not hundreds and not dozens, but
00:25:54many thousands who do not accept Israel
00:25:57as a state of law, they do not establish Israel as a state of law, they
00:26:01do what they want, they. And the government, ministers
00:26:04in the government give them backing, this did not happen in this country, this
00:26:08did not happen in a country where ministers in the government give backing
00:26:11to rioters and terrorists in parts
00:26:15of the Land of Israel, we are also people of the Land of Israel, I established 43
00:26:19settlements in the Land of Israel, I have, I was a fighter,
00:26:22I was a paratrooper, I fought in the wars of Israel, I cannot consider
00:26:26myself a traitor, but they consider me a traitor because I think
00:26:30differently, I think in the way of.
00:26:33I think in the way of peace, I don't think in the way they lead
00:26:36us, and my opinion, my
00:26:39position, people, this becomes, it was then
00:26:43illegitimate, they also made Yitzhak Rabin illegitimate.
00:26:47Let's talk, you know, I'm currently editing a series about Aryeh Deri
00:26:50that will be broadcast soon here on Kan 11, you were interviewed for
00:26:54this series too, ah, do you find any
00:26:58resemblance between him and today's leaders
00:27:01and. You know, we see
00:27:04how leaders behave today, how they behaved
00:27:07then. Do you identify any resemblance? No
00:27:10resemblance. I will also tell you what resemblance I found. For example,
00:27:14for example, the attitude of Yitzhak Rabin towards the judicial system
00:27:18was not very different from the attitude of today's leaders towards the judicial
00:27:21system, meaning he also really didn't like the prosecution, spoke
00:27:25in very, very harsh words about State Prosecutor Dorit Beinisch, about the Attorney
00:27:29General, about Supreme Court Justice Aharon Barak. He even quite
00:27:33hated them, one could say.
00:27:35Listen, you can go back to that, I also told you in
00:27:39the interview, the decision of the Supreme Court
00:27:43to disrupt in a way, to politically disrupt, not
00:27:46legally, politically, the work of Yitzhak
00:27:49Rabin's government, an elected government, I told
00:27:52you, Yitzhak Rabin wanted to do, and did,
00:27:56a mini-national unity government, Aryeh Deri of
00:27:59then is not the Aryeh Deri of today, Aryeh Deri of then was. By the way,
00:28:09even then they also listened to Rabbi Schach no less than
00:28:13Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, they are connected to Degel HaTorah, if
00:28:17Degel HaTorah joins the government, I think it will be very difficult for them to be outside
00:28:20the government. If you are talking about current events, there
00:28:24were phenomena that existed then, today we are in
00:28:28a different place from Yitzhak Rabin.
00:28:32A judgment that caused him to be a lame duck, caused him
00:28:36in a way that was not not not orderly, they did not change
00:28:39the law, but rather a ruling that disrupted his
00:28:42government, so because Deri was forced to resign, and that is already, of course, part
00:28:46of history. I wonder what your opinion is on the possibility
00:28:49that is floating in the air these days
00:28:52that Gantz of the change bloc will form a government
00:28:56with the support of which of the Haredi parties, and this
00:28:59in return for a variation on the law.
00:29:13from the terrible thing that has been happening to us for four years, I wish we would get rid of it. If
00:29:17a government is formed, if a government is formed
00:29:19under, I am sure
00:29:22there will be priorities, in commitments, I want, I want Shimon
00:29:25to take this, I think that Gantz will not be able to form a government, so that's it, I want
00:29:29to ask you. I want to continue, to continue Leah to the follow-up
00:29:33question, and maybe it's not so fair and maybe it's a bit
00:29:36hypothetical or very hypothetical, but since Rabin is not
00:29:39here, there's no choice but to ask people who were close to him and knew him
00:29:42well, if Yitzhak Rabin were in Gadi Eisenkot's position
00:29:45today, from your acquaintance with him, how would he have
00:29:48acted? Would he have formed a government at all costs? Ah, he also
00:29:52did, you remember, he would have formed a government even with the support of the Arabs
00:29:56from outside, clearly yes, clearly yes, he would have
00:29:59formed a government even, even, ah. While guaranteeing continued draft dodging, which is
00:30:02a ticket that parties campaigned on, really not, he would have found, he would have, you didn't say at all
00:30:06costs? So I'm checking, at all costs, at all costs, I'm talking about his
00:30:10priority, I'm sure of it because I know him, I knew him, his priority
00:30:14was first of all to get rid of this government, to get rid of this
00:30:17government and then to find all possible
00:30:21ways to form a government, to form
00:30:25a coalition, and even at the cost of
00:30:29moving in stages, even at the cost of moving slowly. He
00:30:32also, look, he enacted a basic
00:30:36law at the time, he enacted the meat
00:30:39law, if you forget, we really weren't,
00:30:41let's say we weren't, we didn't eat kosher all our lives, and he
00:30:45enacted the meat law, meaning he was, you say he would do everything to
00:30:48form a government. How much does Gadi Eisenkot in his conduct now, since the elections,
00:30:52remind you of Yitzhak Rabin? Yitzhak Rabin was
00:30:55more experienced, excuse me, Yitzhak Rabin
00:30:59was, excuse me. Yitzhak Rabin was a more experienced man who
00:31:03started the government in '92, he had
00:31:06an agenda, he had a work plan, there was a plan to change
00:31:09national priorities, and he was willing to pay a price for that.
00:31:13Gadi Eisenkot needs to learn from that, simply to learn from what happened then.
00:31:16Yitzhak Rabin formed a government or
00:31:20formed the framework for a coalition, it was
00:31:2356-44, plus 12 of Meretz, plus
00:31:27five Arab Knesset members. The Arabs.
00:31:30So they were only five Knesset members.
00:31:34They were only four-point something percent of the Knesset. Today,
00:31:37the Arabs are 18% of the Knesset. So they were 4.5%
00:31:41of the Knesset were Arabs. They joined, they didn't join.'
00:31:45government, they weren't, they weren't, held
00:31:48positions, but there was an agreement with them for a blocking
00:31:50bloc, and there was a blocking bloc and then
00:31:54Shas negotiated and joined the government,
00:31:57and the Arabs were always in the Knesset as a support, what
00:32:00is called, as assistance, assistance
00:32:03for the existence of the government, they didn't decide anything, they didn't hold
00:32:07security positions, they weren't on a subcommittee of the Foreign Affairs
00:32:10and Defense Committee, they did their work as they wanted to do
00:32:14the work. And they weren't active partners, they were quiet
00:32:17partners. Shimon Sheves, who was the Director General
00:32:21of the Prime Minister's Office during the time of Yitzhak
00:32:23Rabin, and one of the people closest to him in the 31st
00:32:27anniversary of Rabin's assassination.
00:32:36Here in a special commemoration project
00:32:39for the fallen and murdered in the Iron
00:32:42Swords War. Shlomo Manzo. Born in Iraq in
00:32:461938, he was the eldest son in a family
00:32:50of six children. In Iraq he was called Asad, which means
00:32:54the happiest. When he was
00:32:5613, Shlomo and his family immigrated to Israel, after
00:33:00they had experienced the Farhud, the pogrom against the Jews of Baghdad. At 15
00:33:04he arrived at Kibbutz Kissufim and there
00:33:06he fell in love, both with kibbutz life and
00:33:09with Mazal, his future wife. Over the years
00:33:12he worked in the chicken coop and in the local factory. And mainly he repaired with his golden
00:33:16hands everything that needed fixing in the kibbutz. Shlomo
00:33:20loved to help and saw it as his life's
00:33:23mission. He lovingly nurtured his special
00:33:26garden, and his family, his wife,
00:33:30his five children, and 12 grandchildren.
00:33:33On the evening of October 7th, the book "The Shark," the prophet of a terrible
00:33:37future, the cliché of Hamas people to Israel, was lying next to his bed.
00:33:41Shlomo was abducted from his home unharmed, at the age of 80.
00:33:46The oldest captive, and later murdered
00:33:49in Gaza. His body was returned about a year and a half later.
00:33:53His family and kibbutz members remember him with love
00:33:56and longing.
00:34:00All the best to you, I love you very much, I wish you
00:34:03much happiness, health, contentment, hugs
00:34:07and kisses. Unforgettable, remembering Shlomo Mansour,
00:34:10may his memory
00:34:12be a blessing.
00:34:15This is News on Channel B. We'll be
00:34:18right back.
00:34:22Hello, I'm Yoav Tzafir, I don't know if you know, I started
00:34:25in Comedistor, Charatzufim, in Eurovision and also
00:34:29"The Next Star". To humiliate yourself for my pleasure alone, can you do that, Mr.
00:34:32Director?
00:34:37Go.
00:34:50I don't understand what I'm seeing, a lack of understanding of what's really happening? This
00:34:53is really a combination of
00:34:55the perception. This truth must
00:34:58come out.
00:35:04One of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire on our
00:35:08forces.
00:35:11They are the head, they are guilty. There are many guilty parties on October 7th.
00:35:15I don't think the High Court is one
00:35:16of them.
00:35:19I haven't seen anything like this, I haven't heard such
00:35:21stories.
00:35:28I very much hope that the Israeli public will believe
00:35:32the truth and not follow the lie.
00:35:35Real time, coming soon,
00:35:39on Channel 11 and Channel
00:35:49Frankenthal, Yitzhak Frankenthal, good
00:35:52morning, Yitzhak Frankenthal, it was written Moshe, I apologize, father
00:35:56of Arik who was kidnapped and murdered
00:35:59by Hamas 32 years ago
00:36:02after he hitched a ride at the
00:36:06Re'im junction, and now
00:36:09you are fighting for the participation of Arab parties
00:36:12in the government.
00:36:15My struggle is generally in a
00:36:18principled way, yes, that it is impossible to generalize against
00:36:22Israeli Arabs, because generalization is terrible
00:36:25and today, there is hatred here. Foreigners, in complete contradiction to what
00:36:29is written in the Torah, in the Torah there are three times about
00:36:32love, and one of them is "love the stranger,"
00:36:36for you were strangers in the land of Egypt, the second is "love
00:36:39your neighbor as yourself," and the third "love the Lord
00:36:42your God," meaning, there is a matter here of
00:36:46an obligation to love the strangers, and look
00:36:50how we treat them. So it's true
00:36:53that there are some among them who are lawbreakers, but they are a
00:36:56minority. Why generalize? Yitzhak, you
00:37:00know, your position, we're not just talking this morning, because
00:37:03your position is not trivial. You know, we saw many
00:37:06people whose positions in recent years
00:37:10were, let's say, left-wing positions,
00:37:12and made some shift because
00:37:16of the great tragedy of October 7th and what happened
00:37:19afterwards, and things of that nature, and you
00:37:23as a victim of nationalist terrorism
00:37:28come and say this is absolutely not the event and Israeli Arabs are not part of
00:37:31this? A. They are not part of it.
00:37:35B. It's impossible as I said to generalize.
00:37:38There are indeed among
00:37:42Arabs in general, yes, there are among Arabs
00:37:45those who are lawbreakers and terrorists, but this is a
00:37:49tiny minority. It's impossible to come and say, yes, that we will not
00:37:52sit with Israeli Arabs in the Knesset or
00:37:55in the government because of... Leave it,
00:37:59this is discrimination, truly racial discrimination,
00:38:01and that we as the Jewish state
00:38:05will fall into the historical trash bin of racial laws. Where have we come to,
00:38:09Lord of the Universe? And therefore I
00:38:12call to stop this whole issue of
00:38:15generalization and because of the generalization to come and say we are
00:38:19not willing to sit with Israeli Arabs
00:38:22and in the government of Israel, it cannot be. You know there are arguments
00:38:26and arguments and arguments. Now in the television studios and not only outside
00:38:29them, they simply reflect what is happening in the public. Is
00:38:32it
00:38:34avoidance by people from wanting to involve the Arab parties
00:38:38racism or is it a legitimate fear
00:38:42after October 7th from people there
00:38:45some of whom naturally identify with their Palestinian
00:38:48brethren? How do you see things? I'll tell
00:38:52you, first of all, your main word is the word
00:38:55"fear", yes. There is fear
00:38:58in Israel of making peace,
00:39:01there is fear that God forbid, if we make
00:39:05peace, we will have to recognize a Palestinian
00:39:08state, and then Lord of the Universe a terrible
00:39:11disaster will happen, we will have to make territorial
00:39:14concessions, and instead of seeing in the land
00:39:17of Israel, the holy land, which is
00:39:21nonsense and stupidity, yes, because there is no holiness
00:39:25in the land, unless it is sanctified. And unfortunately, it is not
00:39:28sanctified in the way we are going but rather desecrated
00:39:32this land, yes, so to leave
00:39:35these slogans with the fear, yes, there is indeed deep
00:39:39fear, so we really need to address the issue of
00:39:42fear, but to come because of that, to come and say
00:39:45we will not sit with them and will not make peace with them, that
00:39:49God forbid, then we are dooming ourselves to another
00:39:52many decades of bloodshed on both
00:39:56sides. I want to talk to you personally, was it always
00:40:00like this for you immediately after the, I'm asking immediately after the murder of
00:40:03your son, or did you go through a process? I'm essentially asking you how
00:40:07you bridged the lack of trust that certainly
00:40:11arose in you after your son was murdered by Palestinian terrorists.
00:40:14So I'll tell you, it's a great question and the answer is very
00:40:17in the Yom Kippur War
00:40:21in 1973,
00:40:23and I saw the tragedy of that war, and you knew
00:40:27that it was possible to make peace based on what
00:40:31the envoy Gunnar Jarring offered
00:40:34to the Israeli government, which Golda Meir rejected, and only
00:40:38later, when Sadat came to Israel, yes, then suddenly
00:40:42eyes opened
00:40:44and we made peace with Egypt. So why was there a need
00:40:47for a war in which over 3,000 people died? The same
00:40:51with Jordan, with Jordan at the time, Hussein came and said
00:40:55"kill the Jews."
00:41:02What I'm asking is that since the Yom Kippur War, there was the murder of your son, which is the event of
00:41:06your life, surely, and the question is if it
00:41:09didn't move your dial to the other extreme and how
00:41:13did you go through the process since the murder? The answer is
00:41:16very, very simple. The murder of my son led
00:41:20me to the conclusion that all my fear
00:41:24that we are sacrificing our strength
00:41:27and sacrificing our basic morality out of
00:41:31fear and lack of courage, has now come true for me too. I
00:41:34lost Arik, not because of the Palestinians, I lost
00:41:38Arik because there is no peace. And those people
00:41:42who think they lost their son and therefore
00:41:45need revenge and so on and so forth, revenge will not bring their children
00:41:49back. The only thing that can prevent further
00:41:52loss is if we are wise and
00:41:55discerning enough to make peace. And I'll tell you another
00:41:59thing, Israeli Arabs, if they are in the government, they can
00:42:03be a wonderful bridge to achieving
00:42:05peace, but there is fear, because if we reach peace, we will have to make.
00:42:40With a straightforward, honest and moral person, with integrity
00:42:43and humility, yes,
00:42:46it will be possible to achieve many things that we haven't achieved
00:42:49until today. Yitzhak Frankenthal, father of Arik
00:42:53who was abducted and murdered by Hamas more than 32 years ago,
00:42:56is fighting for the inclusion of Arab parties
00:43:04the end of the hour, what is more suitable
00:43:08than to start? A farewell tour, good
00:43:11morning to Knesset Member Nissim Vaturi, still a Knesset
00:43:49life? The Knesset is not life.
00:43:52Oh, it's a mission, I did it for four years,
00:43:55there were all sorts of things
00:43:58there, it was nice, I did a lot
00:44:00of legislation. Uh, that's it, to go back
00:44:04to work in construction, building the country. What will you miss the most?
00:44:07What will you miss the most?
00:44:11Really, legislation. Maybe a little, but I don't
00:44:15think there's anything specific that offends me so much
00:44:18there. What about the honor? Uh, listen, you Knesset members, it's
00:44:22a very thankless job, you know.
00:44:25Uh, that means you're working for the public, on one side
00:44:29they attack, on the other side, you know, they hug a little more, but still, I don't think there's
00:44:33a job that is so thankless. Did you have friends
00:44:37in the Knesset? Yes, I'm a friend of everyone,
00:44:41always. No, not everyone, you can't be friends with everyone, almost, whoever
00:44:44is friends with everyone, is usually friends with no one. Who will you miss
00:44:47the most? I'll miss,
00:44:50uh, I don't know, friends from work, there are those
00:44:54from other factions perhaps, uh, all
00:44:57sorts, from other factions, let's, let's talk about it,
00:45:01and if you can find us maybe someone, you know, from another
00:45:04camp, then even better, that they haven't said until today, Michael Biton,
00:45:08like. They don't say his name, he was everyone's friend,
00:45:11yes, yes, there are those
00:45:14who come to work, you work with them, you come to do things, and if someone is
00:45:18effective in doing things, that's fine, not just looking
00:45:21to argue or shout and misbehave and so on. Knesset Member
00:45:24Vaturi, you competed in the primaries, meaning you wanted
00:45:28to be in the Knesset that will be sworn in
00:45:31soon, is there disappointment from the fact that
00:45:34you came in 33rd place? Disappointment
00:45:37from the result, not from the result of the
00:45:40elections themselves, yes, they were too hard on me, I don't want to talk about it, but because I'm for
00:45:44more quiet now, less politics, more talking about
00:45:48unity, these are interesting things, if, say, the government is sworn in
00:45:51and everyone starts doing Norwegian and they come
00:45:54and say, Nissim come back, please, no, I
00:45:57retired, I retired from the list too, I wanted
00:46:01to finish nicely in the place I was in, without all the, you know, there were many reserved spots
00:46:05and all sorts of things, I reached almost 50th place, yes, after
00:46:08reserved spots, and whoever lost in the mechanism.
00:46:12In this interview, which is about your retirement, you sound much calmer
00:46:16than you were as a Knesset member, and I must say that as a Knesset
00:46:19member, Nissim, let's put a headline, Nissim Vaturi is reconciled, yes, no, you, you
00:46:23were often perceived, not in your favor, perhaps you enjoyed
00:46:26it, I have no idea, as some sort of anecdote, some kind of clown,
00:46:30a provocateur, one of those who are brought up, you know, to
00:46:34make noise and give some quote that will cause
00:46:38trouble. Would you have managed things differently, would you have managed
00:46:42your term in a different way? It's possible, look at the
00:46:45election results as well, where you see that 19
00:46:48mandates for the side that wants. But
00:46:57I think the time has come for national unity within the people of Israel, more
00:47:01love, less hatred, yes, I
00:47:04think you also miscalculated me, meaning you took me in such a
00:47:08wrong way. What does that mean?
00:47:11Uh, uh, I don't think I'm a provocateur, I don't think I'm
00:47:15yes, things burned in me very much. I was in a position and I took it with full
00:47:18seriousness. So it's possible that, say, you chose to express yourself sometimes in
00:47:22an extreme way, maybe because those are the rules of the game, maybe because that's how you get
00:47:26attention, in the back benches of the Knesset that are sometimes
00:47:30gray. I don't know if I was in the back, I was in the front
00:47:34row almost before the government table, but that's not related. I'll tell
00:47:37you, I simply think that we don't
00:47:41always understand reality correctly, yes.
00:47:44There is a problem here, understand, there is, we are in the midst of, you see the American
00:47:47reactions, suddenly Democrats, no, sorry,
00:47:51Republicans, no. Exactly what we thought, suddenly you see people talking about the attitude
00:47:54towards Israel, anti-Semitism exists everywhere. And the Arabs
00:47:58around us, yes, there are those who want to eliminate the state
00:48:01of Israel, and therefore I say that we need to wake up, our leaders
00:48:05and leadership need to wake up from all
00:48:07sides.
00:48:10No, no, because everyone no, but I ask you, I ask you, leave the leadership, I
00:48:14ask you about your soul-searching about your term when you look back
00:48:18and you say to yourself, Nissim, maybe I should have acted
00:48:21a little differently. So what would you do differently today if you were re-elected
00:48:25to the Knesset now, or what advice do you give to the new Knesset member
00:48:29from the Likud who entered the Knesset? Let me explain
00:48:31something to you, I'll surprise you, I don't like arguments, I don't like debates, I don't like it when people talk
00:48:35about me badly, but I
00:48:38think that there are things that are required by reality, to fight against those who call
00:48:42for the destruction of the state of Israel, that's legitimate,
00:48:45but leave this absolute dirty work to someone
00:48:48else. New people have come, I wish them success, really, not
00:48:51ironically. Let them do the work, I hope they do it properly.
00:48:55Israel has many challenges,
00:48:58yes, it's not over. Bibi versus Eisenkot, yes,
00:49:01which is the only connection that can be suitable from a Zionist
00:49:04perspective, who believe in the State of Israel and the army,
00:49:08in the IDF, so Prime Minister Netanyahu, if this, if this is the only
00:49:11connection, Prime Minister Netanyahu, in your opinion, should be
00:49:15open to the possibility that Eisenkot might be first in a rotation
00:49:18for prime minister? I don't think that this argument, I think that
00:49:22there are good arrangements, I won't mention them here, yes, that I estimate
00:49:26will happen, but that's not the argument, that's
00:49:29the issue, you understand what I'm talking about, that's not the problem
00:49:32who's first and who will win the elections, won't win the elections, there's a people
00:49:36to manage, there's a people that needs to be led with strong
00:49:39leadership because of the challenges around
00:49:41us, and we have many challenges, yes, both internally and
00:49:45externally, you know, Judea and Samaria, what do we do, what do we do at all,
00:49:49yes, suddenly anti-Semitism in the world, eventually it reaches
00:49:52governments as well, you see what's happening in France and Italy, and people still
00:49:55realize what's happening to them, yes, in the United States there's a lot
00:49:59of anti-Semitism, we need to understand what's happening, yes, we are in
00:50:03a very difficult period, which was the eve of
00:50:06the 40s. You think that being strong together and not
00:50:10fighting internally, we have a lot to do outside, outside. Do you think, by the way,
00:50:14that your statements, say in November 23, to burn Gaza, now
00:50:18in January 24, there are no innocent people in Gaza, all
00:50:21these things caused a backlash from the Arab
00:50:25public? I never said there are no innocent people, I'll tell you why? Because I think
00:50:29that children should not be harmed, still like the army, I, I was
00:50:32a soldier, of course, my four children serve in the army, also because of that I tried
00:50:36not to attack the commanders of the IDF, I said I don't attack the commanders of my children,
00:50:39and I think that, yes, but
00:50:43you called to burn Gaza, for example. Not to burn
00:50:46Gaza, that's in terms of burning, they burned people.
00:50:49I said to burn the buildings, to burn the neighborhoods there. I
00:50:53don't think I was wrong in that, because it was important to also push
00:50:56our soldiers forward a bit. Understand that it was a very difficult
00:51:00situation, and we just sat and looked at everyone outside. So Nissim Vaturi
00:51:03got up and said that we need to be very strong. How to burn, you know, I
00:51:07came from football, I also played in the past, you won't believe it. And then they say burn the
00:51:11field, what does that mean? It wasn't accepted that the players should take matches and burn the grass, yes.
00:51:57member Nissim Vaturi, thank you very much.
00:52:01Shabbat Shalom, thank you very much and good luck.
00:55:16Hello, it's 11 o'clock and we have a news update. At the President's
00:55:19Residence in Jerusalem, the round of consultations with
00:55:23representatives of the factions elected to the Knesset regarding the task of forming
00:55:26the government resumed today. This is the second day of talks, Technical Aaron is there
00:55:30now.
00:55:33Yes, Roni, hello, and a short while ago. The President's consultation with
00:55:36the representatives of the Democratic party is starting here right now.
00:55:40President Herzog is expected to receive immediately the recommendation for the candidate
00:55:44to form the government. Of course, the candidate will be
00:55:46Gadi Eisenkot. We saw a short while ago the members of
00:55:50Otzma Yehudit leaving the President's Residence after
00:55:53they came here to recommend, as expected, Prime Minister
00:55:56Netanyahu. And Roni, the members of Otzma Yehudit who come to...