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00:00:00we can also support strengthening the director general's
00:00:03role and
00:00:06powers,
00:00:08but shouldn't we have waited for the new system to be set up before dismissing
00:00:12staff, and then staff could be
00:00:14selected - who should continue working
00:00:18and who should leave, so that it
00:00:20aligns with the new administrative
00:00:23tasks, the fact that several tens,
00:00:27so now we heard that if I remember correctly, more than six" people's
00:00:30dismissal was mentioned by the Secretary of State,
00:00:34that they were dismissed, this could even be a list,
00:00:37but, because the office, the
00:00:40organization, has to
00:00:43welcome, and not because here follow tasks, now in your submitted bill, within the
00:00:47chamber, the chamber structure, the
00:00:49administrative organization's tasks change, the
00:00:53staff needs to adapt
00:00:56to the changed tasks, so actually I think
00:01:00that the staff reduction that you have now announced as a success
00:01:03is not, it is not
00:01:06necessarily a success or a result. And then
00:01:10let's move on to the proposals
00:01:13that are included in the submitted bill.
00:01:16is not enough. This And allow me to highlight the
00:01:19issue of self-governance first, because
00:01:23associations, but
00:01:26public bodies. So their structure is
00:01:29completely different, their powers are completely different, I could
00:01:33even say, and the professional literature refers to public
00:01:36bodies as essentially personal-based
00:01:40self-governments, while settlements, or municipal
00:01:43self-governments, are territorial-based
00:01:45that the operation self-governments, and personal-based
00:01:48self-governance exists, and this is the
00:01:51administration of certain public tasks
00:01:54by their own organization, by their own authorization,
00:01:58in a manner elected
00:02:00by the members. This
00:02:02is what public body status
00:02:04is, and I think, we Christian Democrats
00:02:07believe that in this issue, in self-governance,
00:02:11the submitted bill
00:02:15makes a huge hole, because it would still
00:02:18be supportable if the number of members of the
00:02:21assembly decreased from 304 to 200,
00:02:24one could even say that they are streamlining
00:02:28the organization. But the fact that only 60
00:02:32of these 200 members will be elected,
00:02:35and 140 will be
00:02:38delegated by professional organizations operating
00:02:41in the agricultural economy, who knows how,
00:02:45this means that the number of elected members
00:02:48will decrease to less than 50%.
00:02:52Well, however I look at it, dear colleagues,
00:02:55from the front, from the back, from below, or from above, this
00:02:58self-governance is... seriously undermined,
00:03:02why, why don't they regulate it
00:03:06so that organizations operating in the agricultural
00:03:09economy can also nominate candidates, and they also
00:03:12compete, even on a separate
00:03:15branch, but I would warn everyone against
00:03:19delegated representatives appearing in such a way at
00:03:22all, moreover, becoming the majority, in our opinion,
00:03:26this is a mistaken
00:03:30direction, it violates the principle of self-governance
00:03:34as well, and there is another aspect, dear
00:03:37colleagues, well, things don't usually
00:03:40work that way, things don't happen that way, that
00:03:44whoever pays has a say
00:03:47in who leads
00:03:49against bureaucracy and the the organization and how the money is spent, well, here too, well,
00:03:52if those who are the members, who pay,
00:03:56well then they should decide about...
00:04:00who leads the chamber and how the chamber's money
00:04:03is spent, the moment that the number
00:04:06of elected by members
00:04:09decreases like this, then
00:04:12this changes, so this
00:04:16is not a correct direction, and we cannot support
00:04:19that either, dear colleagues,
00:04:22that that
00:04:24the membership fees
00:04:27of large entrepreneurs are reduced." So the burden
00:04:31on the big players is reduced, which in itself
00:04:35is not a problem, but in the new membership fee system,
00:04:39the membership fees of small farmers,
00:04:42individual entrepreneurs, small organizations, and the majority
00:04:45of family farms will increase,
00:04:49which we definitely do not consider
00:04:52correct, especially the small ones need to be strengthened,
00:04:56even in drought, it is always the small ones who
00:04:59have little... defense, we would respectfully
00:05:02suggest that these
00:05:04ideas be changed,
00:05:07we have no objection to the membership fees of the big players
00:05:11reduce those of the small ones too,
00:05:14moreover, take over the financing of the membership
00:05:17fees for 2027 from the
00:05:20state. And allow me
00:05:24to also mention some
00:05:28in job descriptions that we cannot
00:05:31support in this
00:05:35form, because the fact that
00:05:38the hail damage mitigation system
00:05:41should not belong to the chamber, or to
00:05:44the chamber, the hail damage mitigation
00:05:48system, well, that can
00:05:51be transferred, it can be transferred to any other
00:05:54state body, it does not necessarily have to be within the chamber's
00:05:58responsibility, but this
00:06:00proposal does not specify whether the
00:06:04hail damage mitigation system will operate from
00:06:07April, and if so, how, until
00:06:11now, until now. The chamber was in close cooperation with the
00:06:15former meteorological service, Hungaromet, so this can
00:06:18be arranged within the state, but it must
00:06:21be arranged. This proposal
00:06:24itself, dear colleagues,
00:06:29system, the hail damage mitigation system, must
00:06:32operate after April
00:06:352027. And we cannot support
00:06:38in any way that those tasks that
00:06:42now appear in the chamber law, namely the
00:06:46operation of the digital agricultural chamber, the
00:06:49general plant protection forecast, market
00:06:52information and qualification information about market players,
00:06:56these are now specifically named tasks of the
00:06:59chamber, that they are simply eliminated,
00:07:02why, why? the chamber
00:07:05could perform this task well, it was in a good
00:07:09place, so we do not see
00:07:12any reason to change it.
00:07:16In summary, dear colleagues, our
00:07:19opinion, as Christian Democrats, on the submitted
00:07:23proposal is that overall, there are
00:07:26good initiatives
00:07:28in the proposal, but the overall
00:07:31proposal does not build
00:07:35trust, does not strengthen trust with farmers,
00:07:38does not build, does not strengthen trust with agricultural
00:07:42businesses, does not build, does not strengthen trust with
00:07:46agriculture, therefore we cannot support it. Thank you for your
00:07:50kind attention.
00:07:55I give the floor to Dávid Dulcs, the chief speaker of our homeland's
00:07:59parliamentary group, for 15 minutes. Please, Mr. Representative.
00:08:03Madam President, thank you very much for the floor. Dear House. Well, as
00:08:06we heard from my esteemed
00:08:09colleague, it really affects community, but the entire
00:08:13Hungarian society indirectly, this issue,
00:08:17and well, we all know from the whole society
00:08:20that the farmers who have not
00:08:24given up farming altogether have been able to farm
00:08:27under extremely bad and unfavorable
00:08:30conditions in recent years, because if we examine the past little more
00:08:33than a decade, then we have a devastating number
00:08:37on the table, that nearly half of Hungarian agricultural
00:08:40enterprises, farms, have disappeared in the past
00:08:43decade, this is a terribly devastating number, and
00:08:47of course climate change,
00:08:49of course the changed market situation,
00:08:53and actually politics can also be brought in here, which
00:08:56unfortunately seems to have dotted the i's and crossed the t's, and
00:09:00many people could no longer continue
00:09:03this beautiful profession under unfavorable
00:09:06conditions, but it is welcome that this
00:09:09amendment is now on the table and... and that it tries
00:09:13to dust off some mistakes that have been bothering
00:09:17the Hungarian farming community for years, however,
00:09:20unfortunately there are also
00:09:23in the sentences of this bill that would not
00:09:27show us a forward-looking direction, but sometimes
00:09:31even a step backward, and well, let's look at the
00:09:34issue of membership fees, for example. I think
00:09:38that a well-functioning chamber does not need to
00:09:40try to collect membership fees from
00:09:44farmers who are already in a difficult situation, because
00:09:47others would also like to join a well-functioning
00:09:51chamber, who perhaps were not members of this chamber before,
00:09:54of course, only if they can use some quality service,
00:09:58only if this organization can
00:10:01help the advancement or operation
00:10:03of their farm with some extra
00:10:07support. It is quite astonishing that, for example,
00:10:10in the case of family farms, who
00:10:14are the most bled dry, the membership fee
00:10:17will no longer have to be paid per farm, but by the product
00:10:21of the number of family farms, i.e., 10,000 forints
00:10:25per person, I think that this is not
00:10:28a membership fee reduction, but a significant membership fee increase
00:10:30in their case, and it is quite outrageous that while large
00:10:34agricultural players
00:10:37a membership fee reduced to even one-fifth, the smallest players
00:10:41in many cases have to pay nearly three times the membership fee,
00:10:45this is not a good multiplier direction, in my opinion, it is precisely the small ones
00:10:48who should be given greater opportunities and positions, even
00:10:51membership fee exemption, and we do not want to argue
00:10:55that we reduce the membership fee to one-fifth while
00:10:58increasing it by nearly three times for the smallest
00:11:02players, this is absolute nonsense,
00:11:04thing that our homeland movement can specifically
00:11:08within the framework of extremely entertaining memes we sometimes get tin
00:11:11foil hats, and we are called conspiracy theorists and I don't
00:11:15know what, but
00:11:17because of our adherence to reality, I am most happy that
00:11:21the operation of the hail system will be removed from
00:11:25its tasks next year, and we hope that the entire hail
00:11:28system as it is will no longer be operated next year, here
00:11:32I would like to express a different opposition opinion, because
00:11:36the other two opposition parties regretted the
00:11:39discontinuation of the hail system, because here we would rather
00:11:43reflect on what the Minister of Agriculture also said,
00:11:45that the existence of precipitation deficit causing
00:11:49drought, its connection with the operation of the hail
00:11:52system, is not proven. This is true. However, the opposite
00:11:56is also not proven, so it is also not proven that the hail
00:11:59system does not negatively affect precipitation formation,
00:12:03and thus did not indirectly contribute to drought.
00:12:07That is why I believe
00:12:10of this system is not necessary and not justified.
00:12:14Specific numbers and data were also mentioned here.
00:12:17We heard in specific numbers that the amount of areas
00:12:21affected by hail damage decreased by one third in the
00:12:25past almost one year. True, the amount of precipitation
00:12:29followed this proportionally, so I think that this system
00:12:32does not need to be operated, since it has not been operated
00:12:36in 15 counties of the country, there has been no report
00:12:39of what kind of hail damage would have occurred, because
00:12:42there was no precipitation. Then what else we need to talk
00:12:46about concerning the bill before us is,
00:12:49for example, renewal. We can support this, we saw
00:12:52the teething problems of the... we saw that it was
00:12:56an organization directed from above on a political basis, however,
00:13:00we still don't really see how this renewal will help
00:13:03farmers, because its main decision-making
00:13:07body will continue to be the general assembly, but
00:13:10well, this assembly is very interesting. My first
00:13:14criticism is that they link the electability
00:13:18of office bearers
00:13:21to higher education qualifications, which I think - in this
00:13:25case is pure discrimination, because someone
00:13:28is not necessarily a good farmer just because they have
00:13:31a university or college degree and a higher education qualification,
00:13:34perhaps the practice of the past decades speaks
00:13:38specifically for them, and they are known as a good farmer,
00:13:41we are now excluding them just because they don't have a higher
00:13:45education qualification, but they have 40 years of professional
00:13:48routine, experience, or a truly flourishing, prosperous
00:13:51farm. The other problem with renewal is that
00:13:55the voice of the small farmers who are in the most trouble,
00:13:59which I mentioned earlier, is not really
00:14:03heard, because you want to limit the previous
00:14:06general assembly of more than 300 members to 100-200
00:14:09members, which one could agree with, because the fight
00:14:14reduction of the number of office holders also fits
00:14:17on our banner, we also usually raise this, however,
00:14:21the problem is that it needs to be precisely defined, not with
00:14:25such vague numbers, how many members the general
00:14:28assembly will have, and the bigger problem is that
00:14:32it is quite astonishing that the number of delegates
00:14:35is more than two-thirds, while the number of eligible
00:14:39farmers, who are otherwise interest-representing farmers,
00:14:42can be less than one-third, so we think
00:14:46it would be fair if professional organizations and
00:14:49farmers directly elected from the counties or the
00:14:52capital could represent the Hungarian agriculture
00:14:55in a 50-50 ratio.
00:14:58- renewal and change would also be needed in the operating
00:15:01principle, not just in the organizational
00:15:04structure, because for some reason, when the
00:15:08organization was formed, it formulated completely different goals than
00:15:11those it pursued in recent years, positive examples
00:15:15could be brought from many countries in Europe, I myself
00:15:19am an active farmer, so I have visited German, Swedish, or
00:15:23even Polish farms. I could also tell about the positive
00:15:27examples there, but these are further away from us,
00:15:30so let's just stick to our neighbor, let's look at
00:15:33how it works in Austria, by the way, one of the best-functioning
00:15:37chambers in the EU is this Landwirtschaftskammer
00:15:41Österreich, so this chamber, what could it give
00:15:45to Austrian farmers, well, among other things, it could
00:15:49give them support, for example, in the field of innovation,
00:15:52and it could ensure a very active operation, because it did not
00:15:56only aim to collect membership fees, but it truly
00:16:00aimed to develop in Austria a
00:16:03sustainable, very well-functioning, long-term
00:16:06forward-looking agriculture and agribusiness, and
00:16:10well, to achieve this, for example, it did not focus
00:16:14on mass production, it did not focus on how to achieve the highest
00:16:17possible profit per hectare, but it moved towards niche
00:16:21market solutions, and tried to guide farmers in this
00:16:25direction, meaning that they do not necessarily have to stand on one leg,
00:16:29they do not necessarily have to rely on agricultural subsidies
00:16:32for their secure survival, they do not necessarily
00:16:36have to rely on their production for their
00:16:39livelihood, but since we are talking about
00:16:42the main pillars of the countryside, then
00:16:46let's combine the pleasant with the useful, and show
00:16:50the whole society what exactly is happening
00:16:53behind the scenes, how farming works, how you can
00:16:57put the product on the table from the field,
00:17:01or from the barn or from the pens, let's try to involve
00:17:04schools, let's try to involve social organizations
00:17:08who indeed have a big role in how the future
00:17:11society will develop, that is why agrotourism
00:17:14is a highly supported direction in Austria,
00:17:18and I think that we also need to adopt this direction
00:17:22as much as possible, I myself am the president of a nature park,
00:17:25I considered it extremely important that there is such a nature park
00:17:29in Nógrád, that it become a prominent tourist area,
00:17:32because we are not interested in such a highly
00:17:36valuable region taking the rough
00:17:40and uncertain path of industry, moreover, as we see now, often leading to a dead end.