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00:00:25Viewers, to monitor the current situation, we rejoin Metro TV journalist
00:00:29Rona Marina. Good morning, Rona. Welcome back, Rona,
00:00:32has the hearing's participants been completed
00:00:36and are there any signs that the hearing will
00:00:38begin?
00:00:43Yes, good Jason, for now, the time is already less than
00:00:479:00 AM, or it will soon be 9:00 AM Western Indonesian Time, where the hearing for
00:00:51the defendant Roya Suryo and also
00:00:54presenting former Indonesian President Joko
00:00:57Widodo and his aide Syarif Fitri. This started at 9:00 AM Western Indonesian
00:01:01Time, and just now I heard Jason, behind me there is an
00:01:04LED screen and also speakers that have been provided for
00:01:07media crew and supporters from both Jokowi's camp and
00:01:11Roi Tifa's camp. This has been provided, and we heard
00:01:14that the trial inside has just begun. Well,
00:01:18that means if the trial inside has already begun, Jason, that means it's
00:01:22complete, right? Everyone who has been brought in, starting from the judge,
00:01:25then the legal counsel for the defendant, then also
00:01:29JP and the witnesses who are present today. And regarding
00:01:33that, Jason, there are also supporters who are allowed to enter,
00:01:37namely supporters from Jokowi's camp and Roy's camp itself.
00:01:40Well, for Jokowi's camp, only 40 people are allowed to enter the
00:01:44courtroom, while for Roy Suryo's camp, only 40
00:01:48people are allowed. So, in total, for the supporters who are allowed to enter the courtroom,
00:01:51it's only about 80 people, right,
00:01:54Jason? And indeed, the situation outside or in the courtyard of
00:01:58the East Jakarta District Court. We see that currently
00:02:02they are first listening,
00:02:05and also
00:02:07doubted because at the same time singing the Indonesian national anthem. And
00:02:11then also the supporters, both from Jokowi and Roy Suryo, have already
00:02:15sat in front of the LED that has been provided. There are two LEDs, on my right
00:02:18and left, where they can later watch the course
00:02:22of the trial. Well, Jason, about 20 minutes ago,
00:02:26we saw the presence of the 7th President of the Republic of Indonesia.
00:02:30Along with his aide Syarif Fitriyansyah, who
00:02:32entered the East Jakarta District Court through the
00:02:36gate on my right, where we greeted
00:02:39Jokowi earlier, asking if he really
00:02:43brought his diploma from his time at Gajah
00:02:46Mada University, and also when he was in high school, or even
00:02:50from elementary school to university, because this had previously
00:02:54been confirmed by Joko Widodo's legal counsel, namely Rifai
00:02:58Kusumanegara. Jokowi was asked or
00:03:01he will bring all his diplomas from elementary school to
00:03:05university to refute the accusations that have
00:03:08been made against him or to confirm them.
00:03:11In fact, there is a high possibility that Jokowi will also
00:03:15tell about his experiences while studying at
00:03:18Gadjah Mada University itself. And we are still waiting for these
00:03:22proofs together because the trial has just begun, Jason.
00:03:25Despite that, Jason, we had a chance to ask Jokowi
00:03:29when he was about to enter the courtroom of the East Jakarta District Court
00:03:33because our position was also jostled by the crowd of
00:03:36Jokowi's enthusiastic supporters who welcomed Jokowi earlier. Despite that,
00:03:40Jokowi did not discuss it further or answer questions from the
00:03:44media. He only smiled a little and immediately entered
00:03:48and will later attend the the East Jakarta District Court. And previously, 10 minutes before
00:03:52Jokowi arrived, Roy Suryo's legal counsel, namely
00:03:56Refli Harun, also arrived and stated that he still
00:04:00believed in what he had defended all this time
00:04:03from Roy Suryo's camp. Even if Jokowi brings
00:04:06his diploma and tells his experiences, Roy Suryo's camp
00:04:10still cannot simply be accused of
00:04:14defamation against Jokowi. Therefore,
00:04:17memberikan pencemaran nama baik terhadap Jokowi tersebut. Bapak
00:04:20Jason, let's wait together for all the points
00:04:23or interesting things in the courtroom. That's all,
00:04:26Jason. Yes, Rona, today, according to the
00:04:32The prosecutor always conveys what agenda, Joko Widodo will also be a witness for Dr. Tifa at 2 PM. Can you
00:04:36elaborate further regarding Jokowi's agenda of attending two
00:04:40trials at once
00:04:41today?
00:04:46Yes, Jason, we here
00:04:48cannot hear your voice very clearly, Jason, but
00:04:52for today's trial, there will indeed
00:04:55be two sessions, the first of which this morning started at
00:04:599 AM. This is.
00:05:05what kind of diploma is
00:05:09Well, the victim is presented
00:05:10here, who is awaited
00:05:42It is estimated that there are around 7,000, while for Roy Suryo's side,
00:05:45it is estimated that his supporters will come, which is around 1,000 to
00:05:492,000 people. Therefore, the police also
00:05:52deployed their personnel, I mean, they
00:05:56deployed their personnel, around
00:05:576,770
00:06:00who are members of the TNI and Polri, more than 5,000 of whom are from the
00:06:04Polri, while more than 1,000 are from the TNI to
00:06:07secure or anticipate things that
00:06:10could happen at the East Jakarta District Court,
00:06:13because if we look together, the security of
00:06:16the TNI and Polri has also been divided into three rings. The first
00:06:20ring is for traffic engineering, which is on the
00:06:23main road across from the East Jakarta District Court.
00:06:27Then, for security ring two, which is
00:06:30right in front of the gate of the East Jakarta District Court, and also ring
00:06:34one, which is in the lobby of the East Jakarta District Court
00:06:37or right behind me, where anyone who enters
00:06:41the room.
00:07:12to describe the situation there while moving
00:07:16regarding the security and also the condition of supporters from both
00:07:20Jokowi's side and Roisuryo's side in
00:07:23this witness examination. We will conduct
00:07:26a deeper investigation related to the
00:07:30description of supporters and also security at the East Jakarta District Court.
00:07:33It is indeed quite conducive
00:07:37this morning, where they have arrived even before
00:07:407 AM Western Indonesian Time.
00:08:12wants to support
00:08:23which is being doubted and attacked by
00:08:26the defendant from the police side.
00:08:30It also seems
00:08:33that they are giving directions, Jason, in front of the East Jakarta District
00:08:37Court. Directions for the public who pass through
00:08:40the area. all in front of the East Jakarta District Court
00:08:44so that they are careful. It must
00:08:47be done in accordance with the articles and
00:08:50currently we have heard, Jason, regarding the trial that
00:08:54has started, where
00:08:56it will be as
00:09:00we have alleged that this
00:09:03is not relevant, who have been
00:09:07on guard, allow us to convey
00:09:11a message for
00:09:43those who are already on guard
00:09:44here.
00:09:49We will tell you, it's very crowded, so for
00:09:52people who are passing through the East Jakarta District Court area, thank you
00:09:56for the opportunity to be careful and
00:09:59also to pay attention to the traffic
00:10:03engineering that was emphasized or conveyed by
00:10:07the police.
00:11:25still feel that what
00:11:28will be proven by
00:11:31Jokowi today, even though he has brought
00:11:35his diploma, it cannot necessarily be
00:11:39confirmed as true. We have prepared 500
00:11:42questions, but of course not all
00:11:45of these questions can be presented, but we ask, and
00:11:49just now also from the side of the defendant,
00:11:53it was also said what was inside... We slightly hear that
00:11:56from Roy Suryaoni's side, they have also prepared around 500 questions
00:12:00that will be given or asked to
00:12:04Jokowi's side. That's all, Jason. Thank
00:12:08you, Metro TV Journalist Rona Marina, for your live report.
00:12:12We will update the trial atmosphere from there later. Good luck
00:12:15again. Viewers, the 7th President of the Republic of Indonesia
00:12:19is scheduled to appear as a witness in the trial of the alleged defamation and
00:12:22slander case that implicated.
00:12:25Jokowi's presence is considered an important part of the
00:12:29evidentiary process. Direct testimony from the reporting witness can be examined
00:12:33through questions from the prosecutor, the panel of judges, or the defendant's
00:12:37legal
00:12:37counsel.
00:12:46An interesting moment will be seen at the East Jakarta District Court, with the presence of
00:12:50the 7th President of Indonesia, Joko Widodo, as a reporting
00:12:53witness in the alleged defamation and slander case that
00:12:57implicated Roy Suryo. Jokowi's testimony in court
00:13:00should end the polemic of false diploma allegations
00:13:04that continue to create public unrest.
00:13:07I highly respect the ongoing legal process.
00:13:11If invited,
00:13:15God willing,
00:13:19I will answer what is asked. That's it.
00:13:22I will convey what
00:13:25is asked by all parties, both by His Honor the
00:13:28Prosecutor and
00:13:32by
00:13:35the lawyer.
00:13:38Not only Jokowi, his aide Syarif Muhammad Fitrian Shah
00:13:42will also give testimony in court. Summonses
00:13:45for both have been received by Jokowi's side on October
00:13:4927th. Syarif confirmed that both would comply
00:13:53with the summons.
00:13:56yesterday, Tuesday, we
00:13:59received
00:14:02a witness summons from the prosecutor's office for Mr.
00:14:05Widodo
00:14:08and also myself as a witness
00:14:13court for the documents. Everything has been seized by
00:14:17the police,
00:14:20so it will be brought by the prosecutor's office.
00:14:23"Jokowi's presence is considered
00:14:27an important part of the evidentiary process.
00:14:30Direct testimony from the reporting witness can be examined through
00:14:33questions from the prosecutor, the panel of judges, or the defendant's
00:14:36legal counsel. In addition to witness testimony, the examination of diploma
00:14:39documents and digital evidence related to this case is also
00:14:43a concern. The prosecutor thinks that
00:14:47the prosecutor is a representative of the state, representing
00:14:50the community, representing the victim, so in a case
00:14:53like this later.
00:14:57the victim states, siding with the community,
00:15:00right? Siding with the community, well, the legal counsel
00:15:04will later think from objective to
00:15:08subjective, because for the benefit
00:15:11of the defendant, right? Well, therefore, in the two camps
00:15:15between objective and subjective, subjective and
00:15:18objective, there will be a lively dialogue which is certainly
00:15:22certain, because the essence of proof
00:15:26is about the diploma, so
00:15:30shown, whether you like it or not, it has been seized
00:15:33by the prosecutor and presented in a trial.
00:15:37This is my original diploma, this is what it's like.
00:15:40And that's where we will see,
00:15:43see, see closely
00:15:46from the prosecutor and legal counsel
00:15:50to prove the authenticity of the diploma that
00:15:54was challenged. The trial next Thursday will be a moment for
00:15:58Jokowi to give direct testimony before the Panel of Judges.
00:16:01This evidentiary process also provides a space for all
00:16:05parties to test witness testimony and evidence before
00:16:08the judge evaluates the legal facts in the case.
00:16:11Metro TV News Team.
00:16:14We will be back after the break. Stay
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00:18:09Viewers, Roy Suryo's lawyer, Refli Harun, hopes
00:18:12that former President Joko Widodo will bring and show his original
00:18:15diploma in
00:18:16court. The
00:18:20case against Dr. Tifa and Roy is based on Mr.
00:18:23Jokowi's report, everything, both articles that
00:18:26threaten with 9 months in prison
00:18:30and up to 12 years in prison, all come from Mr.
00:18:33Jokowi's report. Therefore, we will certainly ask him.
00:19:07Imagine that up to the 11th trial for Dr.
00:19:11Tifa and the 4th for us, the diploma
00:19:14never appeared in court. That's very strange
00:19:18because usually evidence is always presented, and when someone
00:19:22says they have seen it, it will be confronted, is this
00:19:26what you mean? Well, we don't know
00:19:29the reason. We can probably guess the reason, if we
00:19:32believe it's fake, that's why it's never been shown. Well,
00:19:36hopefully the trial today confirms everything.
00:19:39There are no rigid time limits,
00:19:43because we have prepared many questions, there are
00:19:46more than 500 questions that we have listed in reality, some may be
00:19:50overlapping and so on, but
00:19:52of course we will see later. Our concern is time
00:19:56and also disturbances from the public prosecutor.
00:19:59Hopefully they don't interfere, because we are not
00:20:02trying to overthrow,
00:20:04demean, or attack Mr. Jokowi or anything. We want
00:20:08to ask as lawyers
00:20:11and the prosecutor is also
00:20:15part of law enforcement. We hope that
00:20:18we all respect each other's professions and
00:20:21both have the mentality of seeking the truth, not seeking
00:20:24justification.
00:20:26Sir, you mentioned earlier that there are two criminal threats,
00:20:30first 12 years, not two, not two, four, four.
00:20:33Is that cumulative or alternative? Alternative?
00:20:42Which threat is it leaning towards, sir? So far,
00:20:45for so long, I don't want to answer
00:20:49that. We
00:20:52think and believe that Mas Roy and Dr. Tiva should
00:20:56be acquitted. There is not a single article that can be applied
00:20:59to them, neither defamation
00:21:02because Mas Roy and Dr. Tifa work for
00:21:06the public interest, you want to know if all the diplomas are original
00:21:10or not, right? Unless you don't care, but as long
00:21:14as you care, then this is for the public interest, right? And
00:21:18secondly, if it's called slander. Not true, slander is when
00:21:21Mas Roy and Dr. Tifa know that the diploma is authentic,
00:21:25but they say it's fake, that's slander. But up to
00:21:29now, we don't know if the diploma is authentic or fake,
00:21:33first, it has never been shown, and second,
00:21:36it has never been publicly tested. Well, this is the opportunity. If today
00:21:39it is shown and it is authentic, what will be the attitude of the studio? It's like
00:21:43this, bro, whether a document is authentic or
00:21:47not authentic is not just shown without physical evidence and us.
00:21:50I need an execute test. The question is, is Mr.
00:21:54Jokowi brave enough to give us all, especially
00:21:58Mas Roy, the opportunity to test it
00:22:01independently, including an independent testing institution,
00:22:05whether it is authentic or not. That's the point.
00:22:09Bring in independent experts to
00:22:12test it. For example, if it's a claim, for example, this is
00:22:15from, excuse me, a claim that there is already
00:22:19a music laboratory from the investigator, right? The investigator is
00:22:22different because theoretically, they are indeed
00:22:26biased towards it in the sense that they are the ones who then create
00:22:29the articles of indictment. How can they indict and then
00:22:33not be sure of the evidence? Therefore, if
00:22:37it's the investigator's perspective, we cannot trust it. If
00:22:40it's the public prosecutor's perspective, because in this case, we are in opposition,
00:22:44we are at odds. Therefore, there must be a third party who
00:22:47is independent to test the diploma. Okay. Okay.
00:22:51Later
00:22:53it will show what is
00:22:57that item has not been presented all this time. What do you think
00:23:00will happen? Will your client indeed be ready
00:23:04to undergo the legal process? Why are you always
00:23:08directing it there? I
00:23:10am
00:23:12confused.
00:23:17Oh no, no, no, first you said,
00:23:21are you ready to be punished? I have already
00:23:24said that our client is not guilty, our client
00:23:28has not committed a single article that can be imposed on
00:23:31them because they are working, they are researching based on
00:23:35public interest. Secondly, they did not commit slander because whether the diploma is authentic
00:23:39or not is still questionable. They
00:23:42cannot be charged with the ITE Law
00:23:45because there is no physical document testing.
00:23:50The electronic document and electronic information
00:23:53owned by Mr. Jokowi, the electronic document
00:23:56and electronic information belong to Dian Sandi, so
00:23:59there are many things we can defend. That's why
00:24:02I find your two questions strange. Okay, please, one more question,
00:24:06sir. You said that Mr. Jokowi will also say and
00:24:10tell about his experiences while studying at UGM and also
00:24:14bring the diploma, sir. So what if there is proof of that
00:24:17from Roy's side? Proof in
00:24:21a trial is one moment,
00:24:24one screen of the entire trial
00:24:27process. Of course, we will see the quality
00:24:30of the evidence, because if you tell a story,
00:24:34you can tell A, B, C and so
00:24:37on, but later we will cross-check with other witnesses
00:24:40and we will also listen again to the statement
00:24:44made by criminal law expert Prof. Hipnu
00:24:47Nugroho below. And Joko Widodo as
00:24:51a witness this time, how important is his testimony to then
00:24:54be able to carry out or then seek proof in this trial?
00:24:57Yes, in the concept
00:25:01of law, the presence as a victim, as
00:25:05a plaintiff, is very,
00:25:08very important, because in a trial
00:25:11there are four indicators, one is the existence of a defense
00:25:15which is already ongoing, then there is a public hearing,
00:25:18listening. Then,
00:25:21evidence and finally
00:25:25independence, the independence of a judiciary. Well, as
00:25:28a public hearing for the victim,
00:25:32that's where the victim who feels that he has filed
00:25:36a report, filed a complaint,
00:25:39must be present to provide
00:25:42an explanation of how he feels about the victim's
00:25:46situation, because in a legal context there are four pillars, sir:
00:25:50there is the act,
00:25:52there is the perpetrator, there is the criminal sanction
00:25:56and there is the victim.
00:26:00by the public, awaited by the court to
00:26:04at least clarify, to at least confront
00:26:08with the defendant's statements, confront with
00:26:11other witnesses, thus as a concept of justice,
00:26:15it is now a concept of justice that seeks
00:26:18material truth, the real truth about
00:26:22what object is being examined, sir.
00:26:25Okay, Hipnu, is Joko Widodo's position currently
00:26:29as a plaintiff or, as you said, as a victim? This means that when giving
00:26:33testimony, its weight becomes heavier,
00:26:36right? To then be able to counter or confront
00:26:40what has been said by the defendant
00:26:43all this time. Yes, if we look
00:26:46at a concept of proof in a
00:26:49new paradigm, there is no weight and no, but it has
00:26:52the same qualification of proof, it has the same proof
00:26:56as other witnesses, it's just that...
00:26:59Because this is a form of complaint, a form of certainty,
00:27:03a form of classification, a form of seriousness,
00:27:06because if we look at the old
00:27:09criminal procedural code, the victim who reports
00:27:13is actually the first one who
00:27:16must be examined, right? Because by being examined for the first time,
00:27:20it is to ask whether it should be continued or not, whether there
00:27:24is an alternative or not. Well, this is what we see in the first criminal procedural code,
00:27:27but with the new criminal procedural code now, it is not.
00:27:31All proof is submitted to the public
00:27:35prosecutor, that's if we look at Article 160. Therefore, in the
00:27:38proof yesterday, the question was, why hasn't Mr. Jokowi been present yet?
00:27:42Well, that's part of the prosecutor's strategy for when
00:27:45he will be presented, of course, with the permission of the head of the court. Therefore,
00:27:49with the panel of judges who asked when
00:27:52he would be presented by the legal counsel, today
00:27:55he is presented as a form of clarification, as a form
00:27:59of confrontation against what has been accused
00:28:02all this time, including the evidence presented
00:28:06by the legal counsel. Prof. Hipnu also mentioned that later Joko Widodo
00:28:10will show his diploma in
00:28:13front of the judge. When there is physical evidence of the diploma
00:28:16that has been brought, how do you analyze this?
00:28:20Will it then immediately refute the
00:28:24accusation that has been swirling around until it reached the courtroom?
00:28:28Yes, if it is
00:28:30a complaint
00:28:32against feelings, then the proof is
00:28:36sufficient for personal proof.
00:28:40personally to the feelings of the victim, but because
00:28:43the accusation is defamation
00:28:47and slander, slander is about a situation that is
00:28:50true or not true about an item, then
00:28:54about an item, that diploma new motive
00:28:57must be shown,
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