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00:00:30registered under number
00:00:35accessed, the access that 300.pid.b.2026.
00:00:38East Jakarta District Court. Meanwhile, Dr. Tiva's case
00:00:42is registered under number
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00:00:46Pid.B.2026.PN
00:00:52East Jakarta. Furthermore, on
00:00:55October 28, 2026, Jokowi
00:00:58is scheduled to attend the trial as a witness, and
00:01:03If, for example, the original document a day later, on October 29, 2026, Jokowi affirmed
00:01:06his readiness to attend and respect the
00:01:10ongoing legal
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00:01:32What happened in a week, thousands
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00:02:02Tracing real
00:02:04explain what losses were footprints, compiling actual
00:02:06clues, I'm confused, I keep wondering where
00:02:10this came from, I have never seen wood this
00:02:13big. Law enforcement against
00:02:17this is not just an environmental issue, but also a
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00:02:26Reality, every Saturday at
00:05:39breaking news regarding the presence of Jokowi. Here
00:05:42we replay the testimony of Jokovido when he testified and
00:05:46answered a number of questions from the Public Prosecutor.
00:05:48umum,
00:05:52Witness, have you ever been examined? The examination
00:05:55was indeed
00:05:57uh,
00:06:01Witness, how many times have you been examined by
00:06:04the investigator? Uh, three times.
00:06:08Do you still remember the month or year, Witness?
00:06:13Uh, I don't remember, but I have notes,
00:06:16Mr. Public Prosecutor. The police report
00:06:20at Metro Jaya Regional Police, the first one was on
00:06:23July 23,
00:06:252025, then the second was February
00:06:2911, 2026,
00:06:32then the third was April
00:06:341,
00:06:36Thank you. Were the statements
00:06:40you gave in the police report all
00:06:42true? True,
00:06:45Your Honor.
00:06:47Have you ever filed a report with the Metro
00:06:51Jaya Police?
00:06:57Approximately when?
00:07:00So we
00:07:04made
00:07:07a complaint on April 30,
00:07:1020 25 and I did not
00:07:14mention
00:07:17the names of the people who were reported. What I reported
00:07:20was the chronology of the event,
00:07:23Your Honor.
00:07:28Witness, can you explain
00:07:31a little bit about the event that you reported?
00:07:33laporkan?
00:07:36So
00:07:39on March
00:07:4326, while
00:07:45traveling in
00:07:47the car around Jalan Rasuna
00:07:51Said, South Jakarta, I
00:07:55was shown by my
00:07:58aide a video and
00:08:00a post related to
00:08:04the accusation of a fake diploma, Your
00:08:06Honor.
00:08:10In that report, did you
00:08:14mention the names
00:08:16of who was reported or just report
00:08:19the incident? No, Your Honor, I only reported
00:08:22the chronology of the event,
00:08:25because after I was shown the video post,
00:08:28then I instructed my
00:08:31aide to consult with
00:08:35legal advice, and after that I
00:08:39invited them, my advisors,
00:08:42to come to Solo, then we
00:08:46discussed the issue
00:08:50of the
00:08:53fake diploma and also
00:08:56I asked for
00:09:00uh, evidence to be prepared
00:09:02to support it.
00:09:06When you, Witness,
00:09:09were shown by your aide the
00:09:12video posts, do you remember,
00:09:15Witness, if you knew whose
00:09:19account
00:09:19it was?
00:09:25Uh, Your Honor, so
00:09:28uh, before
00:09:32the event of March 26,
00:09:35it had actually been happening since
00:09:382020, then it got worse and worse...
00:09:43Uh,
00:09:47in 2000
00:09:5024-25,
00:09:54shown by my aide to be
00:09:57already over the top,
00:10:00so
00:10:02I took the initiative to
00:10:06consult with legal counsel,
00:10:08Your Honor.
00:10:13And there
00:10:16I
00:10:20was shown
00:10:23two videos and one
00:10:26post on
00:10:28X
00:10:32related to the accusation of a fake diploma.
00:10:34tersebut,
00:10:38When you, Witness,
00:10:41reported to the
00:10:44Metro Police, was there an account belonging
00:10:47to the defendant
00:10:50regarding the actions committed by the defendant from
00:10:53the evidence you reported? If
00:10:56an account, no, Your Honor, but
00:11:00what I saw was that for more than 2
00:11:04years, both on TV
00:11:08news, on Rakyat Bersuara, then
00:11:12on TVOne, on ILC,
00:11:15then on Sentana
00:11:19TV, then
00:11:21on Abraham
00:11:25Speak Up, then also on
00:11:28Facebook, then also on X, then also on
00:11:32YouTube, almost
00:11:36all of it was about the fake diploma
00:11:39accusation, Your Honor.
00:11:43So it was not
00:11:46the account
00:11:50of the esteemed defendant
00:11:52Mr. Roy.
00:11:57But in talk
00:12:00shows,
00:12:03on Sentana TV, on
00:12:06Abraham Samat Speak Up, he
00:12:09always attended as a
00:12:12resource person.
00:12:18Witness, regarding the uploads
00:12:22that were uploaded by the defendant.
00:12:28falsely accused against
00:12:29the witness,
00:12:36I saw a lot, Your Honor. If there
00:12:40is
00:12:42, with your permission, Witness, your diploma, a diploma
00:12:46of education, a Bachelor's degree or
00:12:49junior high or senior high, oh, a Bachelor's degree, Your
00:12:53Honor.
00:12:58Thank you, Witness. Uh, Witness, could
00:13:01you please explain your educational background from elementary school
00:13:05to
00:13:06university?
00:13:10Thank you, Mr. Public
00:13:14Prosecutor, whom I
00:13:15respect.
00:13:18So,
00:13:21starting from elementary school, my elementary school was at Public
00:13:25Elementary School number 111, Surakarta
00:13:28City. Then junior high at
00:13:32Junior High
00:13:35School 1, Public Junior High School 1, Surakarta
00:13:38City. Then senior high at Public
00:13:41Senior High School 6, Surakarta City, and
00:13:45then continued to Bachelor's
00:13:49degree at the Faculty of Forestry,
00:13:51Gadjah Mada University, Your Honor.
00:13:58In the Faculty
00:14:01of Forestry, Gadjah Mada University, did
00:14:04you, Witness, take any special elective
00:14:08courses? For example, in criminal law,
00:14:11there are uh,
00:14:15the Faculty of Law has civil law and criminal
00:14:19law. In the Faculty of Forestry, did you,
00:14:22Witness, ever take? Uh, elective
00:14:26courses, Your Honor. So
00:14:30in the Faculty of Forestry, since I
00:14:33entered, there was no major, no
00:14:36such thing. But
00:14:39we, the students, were
00:14:42given the option to take
00:14:46elective courses. And that's
00:14:49where some of us would say, "Oh,
00:14:51you're in the department of..."
00:14:56Wood technology or forest product technology. You're in
00:15:00the silviculture department. You're in the
00:15:02forest economics department. Oh, you're in
00:15:05the forest conservation department."
00:15:09It was just like that. Because I took many
00:15:11uh, elective
00:15:15courses in the
00:15:19field of
00:15:22forest product technology or wood technology.
00:15:26Such as the course
00:15:30on wood structure and properties,
00:15:33then the course on wood
00:15:36drying. The course on wood
00:15:39preservation, the
00:15:41course on pulp and
00:15:44paper, the course on plywood
00:15:48industry, then the course
00:15:52on sawing. My friends
00:15:56would say that I was in the area
00:15:59of wood technology or forest product
00:16:03technology, Your Honor.
00:16:08Your Honor, with your permission, let's continue, please.
00:16:11Thank you, Your Honors. With your permission, I will
00:16:15continue, Witness. You just
00:16:19stated that you were initially
00:16:22given or shown
00:16:24three posts on social media
00:16:28on March 26,
00:16:312025, while traveling in a car
00:16:35around Haji
00:16:39Sahid street by Witness Sarif. Can you, Witness,
00:16:43explain regarding
00:16:46the three posts on social media, were
00:16:50they videos or do we invite you
00:16:53to talk with criminal law expert from Trisakti University, Azmi
00:16:56Syahputra. Mr. Azmi, good
00:16:59afternoon.
00:17:03Yes, Mr. Azmi, I'm sorry, I can't hear your voice yet.
00:17:08Good afternoon, sir, how are you? Fine,
00:17:11how about now? Safe, safe, safe. Sir, my question is,
00:17:15when the President, the former President, attended
00:17:18the courtroom, did this absolutely strengthen the evidentiary
00:17:21weight in the defamation
00:17:24case? Oh, of course, his presence
00:17:27is the keyword and also the crown
00:17:30in the evidence, because he is in the position
00:17:34as a victim witness. So,
00:17:37uh, Mr. Jokowi today must be able to
00:17:41suffered or his suffering,
00:17:44because a victim is someone who experiences
00:17:47suffering or losses due to a criminal
00:17:51act committed by someone, of course. So today,
00:17:54his presence is to determine
00:17:59contained in the prosecutor's indictment
00:18:03regarding defamation is fulfilled or
00:18:06not, of course. This will certainly attract causality, so we
00:18:10saw several questions from the prosecutor that were already
00:18:13directed towards the education process, because why?
00:18:17Because the first access is
00:18:20a copy of the diploma, a copy of the diploma that was questioned by
00:18:24let's say Dr. Tiva and Mr. Roy Suryo
00:18:27regarding the photo, the paper material, and so on,
00:18:31and that was confirmed by UGM in
00:18:35their witness statement that made the graduation statement. And several
00:18:38other perhaps witnesses
00:18:40who explained or clarified about the academic information, the
00:18:44extensive academic information and process that is contained in the diploma, whether
00:18:48we like it or not, today it will be compared
00:18:50whether, let's say, the diploma that circulated
00:18:54at that time on the internet or on Twitter at
00:18:58that time is the same or not as the physical form brought today
00:19:01by Mr. Jokowi.
00:19:04Okay, sir. If in criminal law, we
00:19:07also know uh, what is it, the principle that there is no
00:19:11absolutely true evidence in quotes before
00:19:15it is judged by the judge. Well, you just mentioned that Mr.
00:19:19Jokowi's physical presence gives weight.
00:19:22How do you
00:19:24Yes, of course, but it's not just Mr. Jokowi's statement, meaning from
00:19:28the evidentiary forum,
00:19:31this testimony will be seen
00:19:34whether it is consistent between facts,
00:19:37documents, evidence, and witnesses, because the judge
00:19:41will impose at least two pieces of evidence, even though
00:19:45now in our Criminal Procedure Code, there are eight pieces of evidence. Is the
00:19:48witness's statement relevant? Is the expert's statement? Will
00:19:52the defendant's statement, the defendant will surely deny it, of course. Then
00:19:56there might be letters, there might be electronic evidence, there might
00:19:59be physical evidence that we also know now, there is judge's
00:20:03observation and everything that is revealed and obtained in
00:20:06the trial as long as it is obtained not against the law. Article 235 of the Criminal Procedure
00:20:09Code. This means that from the seven pieces of evidence, because the defendant's
00:20:13statement will surely choose today,
00:20:16the judge and the parties are given
00:20:19balance, both to the prosecutor as the public
00:20:23prosecutor, Mr. Jokowi as a witness, and
00:20:26let's say Mr. Roy and Mrs. Tiva as the defendants and
00:20:29their lawyers. So each will present
00:20:32their arguments whether this is purely a defamation
00:20:36case, whether this will become criticism, whether this is for
00:20:39the public interest. The judge will see whether
00:20:43this series of actions happened. But it starts from the object,
00:20:47which is the diploma. That is the entry point.
00:20:51Okay, sir, if, for example, Mr. Jokowi's presence
00:20:53then provides uh, what is it, original documents
00:20:57openly in front of the judge, can this invalidate the
00:21:01defamation offense?
00:21:04Oh, no, that's not invalidating the defamation offense, it's actually
00:21:08strengthening it if it actually happens. But again, we
00:21:12have to go back to what was tested by Dr. Tifa and Mr. Roy
00:21:15at that time, which was the
00:21:18accessed document. Uh, if he already made a mistake
00:21:22by sorting the document that
00:21:25was tested or examined by Mr.
00:21:28Roy and Mrs. Tifa at that time was what was uploaded
00:21:32by Mr. Dian Sandi. Where did Mr. Dian Sandi get it from? It should go
00:21:35there, right? That's why, again, these two objects are compared.
00:21:38Are these objects the same or not the same? If
00:21:42they are not the same, it will be complicated. This will be the trigger
00:21:45for the problem. Okay, sir, just a
00:21:49bit. Uh, technical matters, right?
00:21:53brought by the reporter turns out to be valid,
00:21:56why doesn't this automatically invalidate
00:22:00the defamation charge? Uh, what legal
00:22:03element must be fulfilled by the prosecutor to prove that the defendant
00:22:06actually committed defamation?
00:22:09Yes, it definitely comes from the evidence, the document, again. So
00:22:13if the elements are, was he attacked or not, was he harmed or not, was his good name tarnished
00:22:17or not, right? Was Mr. Joko's honor attacked or
00:22:20not? Uh, but again, today we also have to, because our KUHAP
00:22:24and Criminal Procedure Code provide a point of balance and
00:22:28uh, our sentencing guidelines are no longer about revenge, but
00:22:31about correction, about rehabilitation, restorative
00:22:34justice, you know? So the judge also has sentencing
00:22:38guidelines, which is if it is also linked to Article 70
00:22:41K, this long-standing situation has occurred, let's say
00:22:45the dialectic or public issue, the denials in the public sphere, this has
00:22:48been almost 10-11 years, meaning. It has happened and in the sentencing
00:22:52guidelines in Article 70 letter H, it
00:22:54is stated that the victim, whether the victim also triggered
00:22:58this occurrence, because everywhere, if it should be in the Criminal
00:23:02Justice System, when there is a report, there is an investigation
00:23:05process, investigation, and so on, people want it to be clear.
00:23:08It should be, uh, if it was clear from the beginning, this would have
00:23:11been explained. This is also a note for the judge later when he
00:23:15wants, let's say, this is proven, but there are sentencing guidelines that
00:23:19this situation is indeed desired. We don't know
00:23:22what the motive is, because people have their own goals. Is it just that it can
00:23:25be discussed politically in the public sphere, there are these discussions,
00:23:29ah, but because what is being sought is legal
00:23:32truth, then this must be considered. In
00:23:352026, the regions of Java, Bali, and
00:23:38Nusa Tenggara and the Sulawesi region grew above
00:23:42the national economic
00:23:44growth.
00:23:47Furthermore, ladies and gentlemen, I will...
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00:23:56of the manufacturing business or IKBM in
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00:24:012026.
00:24:04The Index of Manufacturing Business Conditions
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00:24:14Medium Industry Survey (IPS) on a quarterly basis
00:24:18with coverage. Samples in large-scale
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