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00:00:13in controversy, the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency has named former National Police Chief Listyo
00:00:17Sigit along with two high-ranking police officers as suspects in the alleged wiretapping case of
00:00:21President Prabowo Subianto without
00:00:23the target number legal procedure, illegal access, and deletion of electronic data.
00:00:26How can a state wiretapping system be used without proper procedure?
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00:00:33misused? Uncivilized president wiretapped in
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00:01:33announced the naming of new suspects in the alleged illegal wiretapping case of
00:01:37Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto and other figures.
00:01:40The new suspect is
00:01:42SU.
00:01:48Viewers, SU was recorded as having been the Head of Monitoring at
00:01:51the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency. Investigators have found elements of unlawful
00:01:54acts allegedly committed by SU. From the case review,
00:01:58it was known that two suspects. Eh and also S
00:02:01as always asked for permission from SU
00:02:04for wiretapping and deletion of wiretapping results. The police ensure
00:02:08that the team's work will be conveyed transparently and accountably to
00:02:25occasion,
00:02:27we, the investigators of the Cybercrime Directorate of the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency,
00:02:30will convey the development of the
00:02:34investigation
00:02:36regarding the status upgrade
00:02:38to suspect
00:02:40for initials SU, who was previously
00:02:44still a witness. Based on the results of the
00:02:48case review, the investigators concluded that
00:02:52SU has fulfilled the elements
00:02:55of an unlawful act.
00:02:58The role of suspect SU is as an advisory
00:03:01board member of the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency,
00:03:04where the person concerned once
00:03:07served as Head of Monitoring
00:03:10or Head of Monitoring for the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency
00:03:13from 2010 until
00:03:162019.
00:03:18Up
00:03:21contacted whom to this
00:03:23wiretapping was done point, the Head of Monitoring
00:03:25is suspect EH and AS, if they were
00:03:29to carry out
00:03:39wiretapping, they had to get permission from SU. In early October 2026, suspect AS asked
00:03:43for permission to delete wiretapping
00:03:46results from SU, and suspect
00:03:49SU deleted the
00:03:53wiretapping results file
00:03:55so far. We need to inform
00:03:59our media colleagues that
00:04:02official release list, to date, the number of suspects in this case
00:04:05is four people, three of whom are detained at the Brimob
00:04:09headquarters.
00:04:13As for suspect SU, currently we cannot detain
00:04:17him because he is in a sick
00:04:21condition after
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00:05:49against these suspects they allegedly
00:05:52conducted wiretapping without procedural
00:05:56or illegal tapping on the phone numbers of
00:05:59the President of the Republic of Indonesia, state
00:06:02officials, political figures, then media, community
00:06:06organizations, NGOs, and
00:06:09entrepreneurs. The modus operandi was during the period
00:06:12of 2025 and 2026, the suspects
00:06:16allegedly ordered wiretapping
00:06:19of investigators or attached
00:06:23police reports, which was then followed by wiretapping unrelated
00:06:26to law and
00:06:30deleting log traces on number 2026
00:06:34to eliminate those
00:06:36traces.
00:06:39Please be patient. Later,
00:06:42the investigators will explain
00:06:46what the wiretapping was for, for what purpose. Until
00:06:49today, it cannot be announced because it is still under
00:06:53further investigation,
00:06:56but as far as the act
00:06:59of wiretapping itself is concerned, it
00:07:02is a criminal act.
00:07:07Indeed, an investigation must be conducted. This is not just
00:07:11a mere wiretapping. It's just a perception. Later, it must also
00:07:14be analyzed and the facts must be found, whether they
00:07:18exist or not. And now, as I said earlier, there is already
00:07:21initial evidence that points to us.
00:07:26being investigated has increased, but their status has not yet been
00:07:30determined. So there are no
00:07:31new suspects.
00:07:34This morning, Mr. President has made
00:07:38a decision and has signed the presidential
00:07:41decree concerning
00:07:44the dismissal of Mr.
00:07:47Listyo Prabowo in his capacity as Chief of
00:07:50Staff of the Presidency. And this
00:07:53concerns the head of state, concerns
00:07:56state officials. Well, this is
00:08:00something that is extraordinary, you know.
00:08:04So we don't understand what the
00:08:07motive and
00:08:09purpose are.
00:08:16An uncivilized president was wiretapped, that's the topic of controversy today with me,
00:08:20Zilvia Iskandar. Viewers, four speakers are already here
00:08:24to discuss today's topic. On my right is Deputy 3
00:08:28of Bakom RI, Kurnia Ramadana. Mr. Kurnia, how are
00:08:32on controversy. Then there is also cyber
00:08:35security expert Mr. Rubi Alamsyah. Mr. Rubi, how are you? Good,
00:08:38ma'am. And next to my left is the former head.
00:08:46Thank you for being on controversy. Thank you too. And next is
00:08:49the Executive Director of Parameter Politik Indonesia, Mr. Adi Praito. Mr. Adi,
00:08:53welcome back to controversy, but we're not discussing diplomas,
00:08:57we're discussing wiretapping. Okay,
00:09:00before I start, viewers, there is new information that
00:09:04the Chief of Police, General Suyudi Ario Seto, stated that the handling
00:09:08of the illegal wiretapping case is purely a law enforcement
00:09:11process and is not related to competition or certain interests within
00:09:15the institution. The Chief of Police also asked all ranks to remain focused
00:09:19on maintaining public security and
00:09:21order.
00:09:23The arrest of
00:09:27several police officers related to the
00:09:31wiretapping case that we are currently
00:09:34handling, and this
00:09:38certainly
00:09:40needs to be a lesson for all of us.
00:09:43And we want
00:09:47the police to remain solid, to remain
00:09:51a pillar of society, and we
00:09:54are confident that the police are very
00:09:58solid and of course, for all
00:10:01members throughout Indonesia, to continue to work
00:10:04well, carry out duties diligently, maintain
00:10:08public order, always with the community according to our
00:10:11slogan, the slogan and all of us
00:10:14that is police with the community, and we
00:10:17assure you that this is purely a form of law
00:10:20enforcement that has no connection
00:10:23with... competition or anything
00:10:26else, but this is purely for the good
00:10:29of the police institution that we love in order
00:10:33to provide service and protection to society, nation, and
00:10:36state. Well, Mr. Susno, I'll go to you first. In the history of
00:10:40the Indonesian National Police, is the wiretapping case allegedly
00:10:43carried out by former Chief of Police Listyo Sigit Prabowo and his subordinates against
00:10:47President Prabowo Subianto and also a number of important figures in
00:10:50this republic considered a
00:10:54historical event? The biggest violation ever committed by a high-ranking police
00:10:58official, even its impact is greater than the
00:11:01Sambo and Teddy Minahasa cases. Yes, if I say this is not a case,
00:11:05but a tragedy. If perhaps what happened
00:11:08in the Sunda Strait erupted,
00:11:11this Anak Krakatoa will have an even greater impact,
00:11:15because it was done by the first person in
00:11:18the police ranks, the highest rank, the highest position. There is no
00:11:22other in the police ranks besides the Chief of Police. The highest,
00:11:26the most powerful, who should
00:11:30be the one to
00:11:33bought by the people for hundreds of billions
00:11:36for law enforcement. That equipment
00:11:39is legal in the police, bought by the people,
00:11:43people's money. Its purpose is to
00:11:46wiretap, not to fry
00:11:50bananas, but to wiretap. Now, who was wiretapped?
00:11:53People who are suspected of committing crimes,
00:11:57terrorists, drugs, and what's
00:12:00its name, corruption and
00:12:03other international crimes such as human trafficking and so on.
00:12:07But according to the applicable laws and regulations and
00:12:11applicable procedures, it has never
00:12:14happened before. He has never
00:12:18done anything similar. He has the authority, even though he has the
00:12:21authority, the law regulates how to wiretap. Okay, there are rules.
00:12:25But he did that. He should know exactly that this is not allowed.
00:12:28No matter who he is, why did he do that? Because as far as I know, sir,
00:12:32a police chief is usually very subordinate
00:12:36to his superiors, and his superior is the president, of course. Yes,
00:12:39but why did this happen, sir, in your opinion? Well, this is what I can't understand.
00:12:43I've been pondering, even when I sleep, I can't understand.
00:12:47"Satya Prabu," loyal to
00:12:50the leader of this country, loyal to the country, why did
00:12:53he do that? This
00:12:56is what we will be able to answer. I am
00:12:59sure under the leadership of the current police chief,
00:13:03the investigators will investigate this thoroughly. Why
00:13:07do I say this is not finished yet? First, I said from the beginning
00:13:10that the perpetrators will definitely increase, both internal police and
00:13:14outside the police. Why are there definitely
00:13:17outsiders? Because the users of the wiretapped information
00:13:21are, I am absolutely sure, not...
00:13:25ending with Mr. Sigit. Why would he collect
00:13:28that? The police chief's job is not to. So you think Mr. Sigit doesn't
00:13:32have personal interests or personal motives to do this wiretapping?
00:13:36He does. If he doesn't have personal interests, he would wiretap officially,
00:13:40right? Well, this is because what was wiretapped was not for
00:13:43official purposes, not for law enforcement purposes. Therefore,
00:13:48outside the legal provisions, so he was charged with two
00:13:52articles of the Criminal Code plus one article of the ITE Law. His personal interests
00:13:55for himself or at the command of others,
00:13:58this is what we need to investigate. And I'm sure Ms.
00:14:01Silvia knows better than I do. Usually journalists are like turtles in
00:14:05a boat.
00:14:09Okay, in that case, I'll turn to Mr. Kurdia here. Mr. Kurdia,
00:14:12how exactly did President Prabowo react when he first received
00:14:16Yes, of course
00:14:19the president was shocked, disappointed, and very
00:14:22angry about the incident...
00:14:25two criminal acts that today involve four
00:14:29high-ranking police officers, as Mr. Susno
00:14:32mentioned, one of the four perpetrators
00:14:35is the former head
00:14:38of the Indonesian National Police. The police
00:14:42institution administratively is
00:14:45under the executive branch of power.
00:14:48The Chief of Police is appointed and
00:14:51dismissed by the President of the Republic of Indonesia.
00:14:55So why is it that the wiretapping target
00:14:59is his own superior, who is also the head of state
00:15:02and head of government at the same time? Even,
00:15:05Ms. Silvia, not only the head of state
00:15:08was the target of the wiretapping,
00:15:12according to the statement of the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency, which
00:15:15was also shown by Metro TV, there are NGOs,
00:15:19there are community organizations, there are
00:15:22businessmen, even there are media. Of course, this raises
00:15:26the question of what is the background
00:15:29or what is behind the thoughts of these four
00:15:32police generals when committing unlawful
00:15:36acts, and today
00:15:46Yes, this is an extremely
00:15:49extraordinary criminal act. The former police chief
00:15:53was, a few weeks
00:15:56before being named a new suspect,
00:16:00entrusted by the President of the Republic of Indonesia
00:16:03to lead the institution of the President's Chief of Staff.
00:16:08Therefore, there are various actions taken by
00:16:11the government, one of which is administrative
00:16:14action by replacing Mr.
00:16:17Listyo Sigit Prabowo as Head of KSP
00:16:20with the acting official Gurnia.
00:16:24A video circulated of President Prabowo Subianto speaking at a cabinet meeting
00:16:27on November 6,
00:16:292024.
00:16:32Its content was more or less to tell his ministers to be careful when communicating
00:16:35with the president via phone.
00:16:38Because the president said there were many ears that wanted
00:16:41to hear. Well, there are sensitive
00:16:44things that should not be discussed over the phone because there are many
00:16:48ears that want to hear. Does that mean the president
00:16:51already felt, already saw indications of wiretapping?
00:16:55Yes, of course, with today's technological developments, the potential
00:16:59for wiretapping is not
00:17:02a new story, actually. However, what is quite surprising
00:17:06is that the object of illegal wiretapping is precisely
00:17:10aimed at the President of the Republic of Indonesia. Therefore,
00:17:13the president asked the Indonesian
00:17:16National Police to investigate thoroughly,
00:17:19as thoroughly as possible, transparently, as transparently
00:17:23as possible, so that there is a deterrent
00:17:26effect, a deterrent effect on the perpetrators. Then, second,
00:17:30so that events, if I may quote the title from Metro
00:17:34TV, this uncivilized event... will not
00:17:37be repeated in the future, Ms. Silvia. In
00:17:41criminal law literature, perpetrators
00:17:43of crimes are classified into several categories: one, those who
00:17:47commit crimes; two, those who aid
00:17:51in committing crimes; and three, those who order
00:17:55the commission of criminal acts. Therefore,
00:17:58all classifications of criminal perpetrators are being
00:18:02investigated by the police, such as the recent
00:18:06announcement of one suspect,
00:18:09a two-star general, and the police have formed
00:18:13a special team because this has become the attention of
00:18:16all of Indonesian society and is led by
00:18:20the Head of the National Police Criminal Investigation Agency. It's natural, Ms. Silvia, not only the president
00:18:24is angry, I think all Indonesian society is very
00:18:27angry to see this incident, and the perpetrators must
00:18:31be held accountable for their unlawful acts in
00:18:34the legal process. Even people are asking, if
00:18:38the president himself can be wiretapped, what about us ordinary people? But before that,
00:18:41I want Mr. Adi to see that besides
00:18:44the shock from the legal aspect, it also shakes
00:18:48the political aspect. Before I get to Mr. Adi's question, I will
00:18:52first play the statement from the Coordinating Minister for
00:18:56Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, Imipas, regarding the
00:18:59alleged motive behind this wiretapping.
00:19:03An investigation must indeed be conducted. This is not just a mere
00:19:07wiretapping perception. Later, it also needs
00:19:10to be analyzed and the facts searched for, whether they
00:19:13exist or not. And now, as I said earlier, there is already
00:19:17initial evidence that points to an act,
00:19:20and the president said that strict law
00:19:24enforcement must be carried out, especially if
00:19:27facts are found, evidence that this is not
00:19:30just wiretapping, but leads
00:19:32to indications of strengthening treason. Who
00:19:36actually benefits?
00:19:39Behind this wiretapping, Mr. Adi, well, I think if we talk about who benefits,
00:19:43it's those who do not like
00:19:46and, of course, those who hate the government and
00:19:49the president, so this illegal wiretapping is done
00:19:52so consistently, right? Because if we listen
00:19:56to the statements from Baraskrim, it started since 2025,
00:19:59Zilvia, a long enough time, and of course this is by design, not
00:20:03something that is accidental. Well, the
00:20:05second, if we listen to a number of political statements,
00:20:09right, this leads to indications and acts of treason, right? Like
00:20:13that. It's not just Mr. Yusril who says it, Prasetyo Hadi also
00:20:16said it, right? And even the Secretary General of an opposition party like Mr.
00:20:20Hasto, he said that this is a strong
00:20:23indication that it will lead to acts of treason. This means that in the context
00:20:27of illegal wiretapping of the president, almost no one
00:20:30can deny that this is something extraordinary and
00:20:34certainly leads to acts of treason, even though Mr.
00:20:39earlier that the articles charged are still only two articles of the Criminal Code
00:20:42and then the ITE Law. And we just have to
00:20:46wait for the progress report regarding the development
00:20:50of the investigation regarding this disclosure. But for me, in principle, this
00:20:53actually confirms the behind-the-scenes stories,
00:20:57the stories that have been in coffee shops all this time,
00:21:01that wiretapping really happened. Our experience as activists
00:21:05back then, if we wanted to consolidate political movements among activists
00:21:08or students, we usually didn't want to use cell phones, even if the cell phones weren't
00:21:12very sophisticated, because it was very risky and very vulnerable to
00:21:15being wiretapped by unscrupulous individuals and certain parties who wanted
00:21:20movements carried out by a number of activists and students. Even a few
00:21:23days ago, Mrs. Megawati Sukonoputri said
00:21:26that the most important thing is when you don't want to use a cell phone
00:21:30because it is considered a target for wiretapping and so on. That's
00:21:34what I think is something that is ironic,
00:21:38and hopefully law enforcement will truly
00:21:41be enforced, and the most important thing is that all of this is concrete and clear.
00:21:44All processes, all of this becomes a lesson so that such
00:21:48things will not happen again. Okay, Mr. Rubi, I have already
00:21:51said that people are now starting to worry that if a president can be
00:21:55wiretapped, let alone ordinary people. But my question
00:21:58to Mr. Rubi is, the wiretapping that we have just
00:22:02come to know in the last few days is called the LIMS
00:22:05system, lawful interception management system. Is this system
00:22:09prone to misuse? LIMS
00:22:13is indeed
00:22:17is placed at the operator in any
00:22:20country. As long as that country has wiretapping
00:22:24laws, where telecommunication operators
00:22:27must comply with those rules, so they prepare
00:22:31the LIMS system. Now, the LIMS
00:22:35will access the operator's
00:22:38core system, and
00:22:41on this side, it can be accessed by law
00:22:45enforcement officials who have cooperated, who have, cellular operators, you mean, Mr.?
00:22:49Any communication operator. Now,
00:22:53from LIMS, it can be accessed by all law enforcement agencies. Each law enforcement agency has
00:22:56access. Now, each law enforcement agency has
00:22:59access, using a system called a monitoring center.
00:23:02Now, from this monitoring center, they control the LIMS
00:23:06so that LIMS requests or accesses
00:23:10telecommunication data
00:23:12of their customers. The target number is entered, the duration is entered,
00:23:16and then what else? The required output.
00:23:20Because from LIMS, from the
00:23:23operator, it will
00:23:25produce a total of three
00:23:29basic data. One is voice,
00:23:32voice. That's in LIMS, the
00:23:35H1, the HI1. Now,
00:23:39the HI2 is
00:23:41SMS, SMS. Now, the HI3
00:23:45is IP or internet
00:23:49protocol.
00:23:53Not WhatsApp, so it's in the IP here. But what goes
00:23:56into the data in the IP CDR IPDR at
00:23:59the operator is not the content of WhatsApp
00:24:02that can be read like this because WhatsApp is encrypted, right? So
00:24:06the data is scrambled, but it will show who
00:24:11and when. The
00:24:15time stamp. And then,
00:24:19just the header data without
00:24:22the content. If it's content, if it's related to WhatsApp, Telegram, and so on, that's a different
00:24:26wiretapping technique using another method, not using LIMS, not this LIMS.
00:24:30But the point is, this LIMS, actually it's not the LIMS that is prone to misuse,
00:24:34but the unscrupulous
00:24:37individuals who can give orders to
00:24:41the people working behind LIMS. These unscrupulous individuals can exist
00:24:44or see an opportunity
00:24:46because we also have
00:24:50laws to regulate wiretapping, but
00:24:54there are no definite
00:24:56rules on who conducts audits of the wiretapping
00:25:00process that is in accordance with the law,
00:25:03because there are people who see it, if there are unscrupulous individuals
00:25:07involved, they can misuse it for any purpose.
00:25:10So if people are worried, it's normal, right?
00:25:14It's normal to worry. The audit is so weak,
00:25:18it's hard to supervise, it depends on the individual. If the individual is good,
00:25:21it's good, but if not, we're out of luck.
00:25:25That's right, so indeed if
00:25:28if citizens or ordinary people
00:25:31are targeted, it's usually journalists or activists
00:25:35and so on, or ordinary people, if it's
00:25:38targeted, but it's really that easy to wiretap? It's really
00:25:42that easy because of LIMS earlier, but LIMS is only
00:25:45one method, one technique, right? There are still two more
00:25:49techniques. Which
00:25:52can be worse than LIMS itself.
00:25:56Yes, if LIMS only requires entering the phone number,
00:26:00we imagine we have to install a certain device on the phone, it's not like that.
00:26:03Yes, if
00:26:06if LIMS just requires entering the number. target as long as we know
00:26:10target number one but there are obstacles
00:26:13usually if it's LIMS, if he uses the phone constantly for
00:26:16any purpose, whether it's general or
00:26:20secret, LIMS will get it. But LIMS won't be useful if
00:26:26being targeted doesn't contain content that is
00:26:30interesting or related to a crime. So
00:26:40just use another number, right? Another registered number, so that won't
00:26:44be known. Well, LIMS just, but
00:26:47interestingly, from the three data earlier,
00:26:50voice, SMS, and internet data,
00:26:54if these three are analyzed in depth, it
00:26:57becomes a big data to get
00:27:00a detailed profile, Ms.
00:29:14wiretapped, eh, God
00:29:17knows. What I
00:29:20just heard is that the president and
00:29:23a number of ministers and a number of politicians.
00:29:27So I don't know yet whether the vice president was also wiretapped
00:29:31or not? He's ready, professor, such matters
00:29:34are not
00:29:37wiretapped, eh, God
00:29:39knows. What
00:29:43I just heard is that the president and
00:29:46a number of ministers and a number of politicians, so
00:29:50I don't know yet whether the vice president was also wiretapped or
00:29:53not.
00:29:56Mas Adi, Vice President Gibran is not on the list of people being wiretapped. What's your
00:30:00political reading? First, of course, we have to wait for the
00:30:05which was revealed by the Criminal Investigation Unit, of course, because what's circulating on
00:30:09social media is assumptive and speculative. Of course, I
00:30:12also hope that it doesn't lead to
00:30:15wild predictions. At least there's a list
00:30:19of who is on the wiretap list, Silvia,
00:30:22so that there are no attempts to pit people against each other about who should
00:30:26be wiretapped or not. Well, secondly, that usual statement is interesting.
00:30:29God knows, there's a continuation to that, God knows. So
00:30:33only God and Allah know everything. If you want to
00:30:36continue with Mr. Yus, only God and the perpetrator know
00:30:40what the motive is, right? That's the diplomatic
00:30:42statement of someone like Mr.