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00:00:50Check carefully those mobile phones that have been confiscated,
00:00:54privacy is a constitutional right with whom Sigit spoke, what was discussed.
00:00:57From there, it will be seen, "oh... it turns out that
00:01:00Indonesia's darkness is a product
00:01:04of this wiretapping,
00:01:07fleeing abroad is a product of this wiretapping.
00:01:10Well, if that
00:01:14can be obtained,
00:01:17it is very logical and very solid construction that
00:01:20this is absolutely treason."
00:01:24Regarding the possibility of other actors being
00:01:27dragged in, the Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, Imipa.
00:01:32But perhaps he meant anyone,
00:01:34not limited to certain people,
00:01:38but we cannot a priori say
00:01:42this or that, it's better to let investigations
00:01:46and inquiries proceed to reveal
00:01:48the facts whoever is involved will
00:01:51certainly be asked for information first until there is
00:01:55a conclusion from the investigators whether the case
00:01:58only stops at the
00:02:02investigation level for certain people, or whether
00:02:05it needs to be escalated to the investigative level, that
00:02:08we leave entirely to the investigators who
00:02:12are indeed given the freedom to carry out their
00:02:14duties and responsibilities.
00:02:17Although information about the motive for wiretapping is still very limited, political
00:02:21observer Adi Prayitno believes that this silent operation, which
00:02:24has been ongoing since 2025, aims
00:02:27to disrupt the president's work. If we may quote what
00:02:31was said by Mr. Yusil,
00:02:34it is possible that this wiretapping was done as an effort to
00:02:38cripple the government, to cripple the president
00:02:41so that the president would not be able to fully carry out his
00:02:45government, and that means there were efforts to do
00:02:49things that were meant to prevent the president from
00:02:52maximally and fully carrying
00:02:54think the accusation out his government. Previously, people in the palace
00:02:58circle, such as [name], believed that this wiretapping was a strong signal
00:03:02of an attempted coup. Even former Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs
00:03:05Mahfud MD also suspected that the wiretap results were not only used
00:03:09by Listyo alone but flowed to certain parties. Metro
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00:03:14Team.
00:03:17National Police Chief General Suyudi Arioseto stated that the handling of the illegal
00:03:21wiretapping case is purely a law enforcement process and is not related to
00:03:25competition or certain interests within the institution.
00:03:29The National Police Chief also asked all ranks to remain focused
00:03:32on maintaining security
00:03:33and public order.
00:03:36The arrest of several
00:03:39police officers related to the
00:03:42wiretapping case that we are
00:03:45currently handling, and this
00:03:49certainly
00:03:52needs to be a lesson for all of us.
00:03:54And
00:03:57we want the police to remain solid,
00:04:01to remain a pillar
00:04:03of society, and we are confident that at
00:04:07this time, the police are very solid, and
00:04:11of course, for all members throughout Indonesia
00:04:14to continue working well, carrying out
00:04:18their duties to maintain public order and always
00:04:21be with the community according to our slogan, our collective slogan,
00:04:24which is the police with the community, and we
00:04:28assure you that all of this... is purely in the form of law
00:04:31enforcement that has no connection
00:04:34with competition or
00:04:37anything, but this is purely for the good
00:04:41of the police institution that we love, in order
00:04:44to provide service and protection to the nation's people.
00:04:48Viewers, the alleged wiretapping by three high-ranking police officers is not just about
00:04:51individual criminal acts, but also concerns state security, the integrity
00:04:55of law enforcement institutions, and even the safety of the head
00:04:58of state. We will discuss it with former Deputy Chief of Police for the
00:05:012013-2014 period, Commissioner General (ret.) Ugroh
00:05:04Senova Ugroh. Good
00:05:05evening.
00:05:09Good evening, Mas Iqbal. And well,
00:05:13then there is the chairman of Gibranisti, Taufiq Bil Fakih. Mas Taufiq,
00:05:16how are you?
00:05:19Bilfakih, Mas Taufiq, how
00:05:21are you?
00:05:24Good, alhamdulillah, thank you Mas Iqbal, and also there is constitutional
00:05:28law expert Herdian Syah Hamzah. Bang Herdi, good
00:05:31evening. Good evening, Mas
00:05:35Iqbal. Okay, I want to go to Mas Taufiq first. Mas Taufiq,
00:05:39this has certainly circulated, a snippet from Mbah Food's podcast.
00:05:43And also, some have linked this alleged wiretapping case to
00:05:46certain interests, one of whom is Mr. Mahfud, who said
00:05:50the wiretap results flowed to Solo. I want to ask for your
00:05:53response as a volunteer,
00:05:55Mas.
00:05:58Taufiq, thank you. Mr. Mahfud MD, I think, must also be accountable for
00:06:02his statement. But what is clear is that basically
00:06:06any accusation or assumption or any framing that is then
00:06:09directed at Solo, in this case, Mr. Jokowi, we
00:06:13firmly and strongly reject. And we
00:06:15appreciate what the National Police Chief and his ranks have done.
00:06:19And we should all have the same understanding and
00:06:23perspective that this crime must then be thoroughly
00:06:26investigated, and we should hand it over to the police,
00:06:29not then start with accusations that, in our
00:06:33opinion, have gone too far. And what should not be forgotten
00:06:37is that it's actually too cheap if
00:06:41wiretapping of the president, of the number one person in
00:06:44this republic who has the power to make certain policies and
00:06:48strategies, is then thrown at local political figures,
00:06:52whether it's, say, a former president or perhaps
00:06:55users in Indonesia. For me, this
00:06:58must also involve something much bigger, because it's impossible
00:07:02if you just wiretap the president and then give it to
00:07:05figures who are actually also, in terms of
00:07:09hierarchy, no longer active. Moreover, given the type of
00:07:12leadership Mr. Jokowi has shown as president, and even until
00:07:16he retires, we believe and we also ensure that he is not
00:07:20the type of person who intervenes in state institutions,
00:07:23and even with his current position, it would be very
00:07:27naive if he were to intervene with his former subordinate,
00:07:30the National Police Chief, to then take actions
00:07:33leading to treason. Moreover, Mr. Lsp
00:07:37had already started the wiretapping incident
00:07:40since 2025, where Mr. Jokowi is an element
00:07:44or public figure who even gave support not only to
00:07:47Prabowo Gibran but also invited
00:07:50his volunteers to say, "Let's not only oversee this government,
00:07:54but even, if necessary, for two terms." This means that in
00:07:572025, Mr. Jokowi, up until now, has remained
00:08:01consistent in providing moral support and spiritual support
00:08:04to this government. So, I
00:08:07made by Mr. Mahfud is excessive, and he should
00:08:11be held accountable for it. I think that's it. Especially now, it's not just the president
00:08:14who was wiretapped, but also state officials, political figures, and
00:08:18businessmen, Mas Taufiq. Now, have you ever, since volunteers often interact
00:08:22with Mr. Jokowi, have you ever heard him say he felt he was
00:08:26a victim of wiretapping, or has he ever felt
00:08:29he was wiretapped, Mas Taufiq?
00:08:32As for Mr. Jokowi, I think he's someone who has been wiretapped since he was
00:08:36governor. Even after he became governor and then
00:08:39president, he admitted to being wiretapped, only his expression
00:08:43was not the same as many other heads of state
00:08:46and also the elite, who I think he remained calm and
00:08:50even joked at times because there was nothing problematic
00:08:53with him. He was not afraid of being wiretapped, even because there was nothing he
00:08:57was hiding. So, I think, uh, the last time
00:09:01we communicated with Mr. Jokowi, including today, we are at
00:09:04the high court, uh, the district court in East Jakarta, accompanying
00:09:07him. Yeah, we just laughed at the circulating
00:09:11information that seemed to point fingers at Mr. Jokowi.
00:09:14But the question is, was Mr. Jokowi also a target
00:09:18of LSP's operation or Matua Pres? Well, I think
00:09:21we'll just have to wait for the police
00:09:25investigation, even though it has been indirectly
00:09:28conveyed by Mr. Yusril that, uh, Mas
00:09:31Gibran and Mr. Jokowi's names have not, as of yet, been mentioned
00:09:35like the others. So for us, no matter what, whether Mr. Jokowi
00:09:39is an object of wiretapping or not,
00:09:42basically, we still support what is currently
00:09:45being investigated by our colleagues in the police. I think that's it, brother.
00:09:48Okay, good. Moreover, we still remember that in December
00:09:512013, it was suspected that there were three
00:09:55wiretapping devices in Governor Jokowi's house at that time. Now, Mr.
00:09:58Ugro, this is if we look
00:10:02at the authority to wiretap, which means that if it's
00:10:05according to procedure, there are rules, there is
00:10:08supervision, there is monitoring, so this shouldn't happen like
00:10:12this, sir. It even targets the head of state. Now, in 2023,
00:10:15we once heard that Mr. Jokowi, while still serving as president,
00:10:19could get intelligence information, and that was
00:10:22also obtained from, like,
00:10:26from BIN, from police intelligence, TNI intelligence, there's BICE, and
00:10:30information beyond that, including survey data, everything is there.
00:10:33So, what is the limit for this wiretapping, Mr.
00:10:37Ugro?
00:10:41Yes, so the wiretapping carried
00:10:44out by the three senior police
00:10:48officers who are now detained, three people, namely
00:10:51one central and two two-star generals, and is currently being developed,
00:10:55uh, I started from Article 258
00:10:58of the Criminal Procedure Code. It states in paragraph
00:11:021 that it is
00:11:06not that easy to conduct wiretapping. So, a person
00:11:09is not, no citizen should be wiretapped, whoever they are, they should not
00:11:13be wiretapped. If it is disseminated, that is
00:11:16also prohibited, the results of the wiretap. The third thing is,
00:11:19if the wiretapping is legal, there are also rules.
00:11:23It must be related to a criminal act, meaning there must be a police
00:11:26report. Then, after there is a police report, for example, the case
00:11:30is, uh, then a letter of commencement of
00:11:33investigation is issued, uh, a notification of commencement of investigation (SPDP)
00:11:37and further with a letter of investigation order. Now,
00:11:40can all cases be subject to wiretapping? If all cases
00:11:43can be subject to wiretapping, the rules are also not clear. For example,
00:11:47does a pickpocket need to be wiretapped to find out where that pickpocket
00:11:51is? That's difficult. So, it should be certain criminal acts that can be wiretapped,
00:11:55like that. Now, back to the incident. If wiretapping is carried
00:11:58out against the head of state and several party leaders, then the motive
00:12:02must be revealed, you know. What is the motive
00:12:06of these wiretappers? Is it for their own interest,
00:12:09or for their group, or for the interest of others
00:12:12there, or perhaps if directed to something more serious, treason? If
00:12:16it's called treason, then we go back to Article 160
00:12:19of the Criminal Code, which is an attack that has
00:12:23been realized in the form of...
00:12:25preparations for actions that have been realized. Now, if this
00:12:28is linked to the act of preparing for actions that have been realized,
00:12:31is this wiretapping part of the preparation for
00:12:35actions that have been realized? But once again, where are the
00:12:39positions of these wiretappers in the police? If it's in the police,
00:12:43this incident happened after the person concerned was no longer the police chief,
00:12:47already outside. Then, if it's for their own interest, will
00:12:50they run for politics? Oh, I'm sorry,
00:12:53run for 2029? Or thirdly, to support
00:12:57whoever ordered it for 2029? That's how it is. This is interesting to analyze, so
00:13:01it's not just "oh, this wiretapping was done
00:13:04without involving other people." In my opinion,
00:13:07let's just speculate that
00:13:10there must be an interest again, their own interest
00:13:14or the interest of one party,
00:13:17or there is the interest of another party that also needs
00:13:21this information. So, once again, for me, this
00:13:24is an extraordinary achievement for Mr. Police Chief, General
00:13:28Suyudi, to be able to uncover this. And until now, I still
00:13:31appreciate this disclosure. In my opinion, it's an extraordinary
00:13:35step that the police have taken in 80 years, and
00:13:39during my 35 years and 2 months of service in the police,
00:13:43for me, once again, it's very extraordinary
00:13:47to be able to uncover this case. Thank you, Mr.
00:13:50Ugro, but I read an article, you
00:13:53were also wiretapped, according to the
00:13:57quote from this article.
00:14:00Yes, so this wiretapping
00:14:03can be used as a tool
00:14:06of pressure. So, all officials were surprised because I often appeared
00:14:10in several events related to Mr. Rawisyo
00:14:13or Dr. Tipa. So, I asked some of my juniors, "How are
00:14:16things? My problems." I said, "Hello, how about the police in
00:14:20the future? Are there any problems?" and so on.
00:14:24No one answered. Then, coincidentally, on August 21, 2026, there was a
00:14:27Struggle Day, so I came and met my juniors. They
00:14:31told me, "Excuse me, General, we cannot reply to WA messages or
00:14:35calls because all our phones are being monitored
00:14:38by the police chief." Wow, how can a three-star general be afraid of being monitored?
00:14:41Right? That's all. Don't be afraid, just open it
00:14:44up. That's how it is. So, once again, besides
00:14:48for, yes, Mr. Ub who was still serving
00:14:51as police chief, who? Oh yes, still
00:14:55serving. On August 21, 2006, Mr. LSW
00:14:58was still serving as police chief. Mr. Suyudi started on October
00:15:021, 2026.
00:15:05Hmm, okay. So, therefore, the motive is what's being questioned.
00:15:08If we look at the momentum, how is it, sir? Because we see the dynamics within
00:15:12the institution, there was a change in police chief, then there was also a large
00:15:16number of officials replaced. Then the reporting was also
00:15:19done at this momentum. How do you see that, Mr.
00:15:22Ugro? Yes, this issue,
00:15:25I also, we are friends, Mas. For example, I am friends
00:15:28with, for example, the
00:15:32former head of the KSP, who, uh, had a hobby
00:15:36of old vehicles, for example. I visited him because I wanted to congratulate him,
00:15:39and we had casual chats. "Uh,
00:15:42Mas, how is this? Information
00:15:46sometimes spreads quickly from here. Everyone is still
00:15:49confused why issues from around
00:15:53the president's inner circle can get out like that, right?"
00:15:56So, in my opinion, this incident
00:15:59was done, well, maybe if the president
00:16:03was still serving as Minister of Agriculture, he would also feel
00:16:06it, you know, but it hadn't spread widely
00:16:10or exploded like it has now, you know. Now, everyone is being
00:16:14wiretapped, not just the palace circle. So, for me,
00:16:17if this analysis can be studied with, with, uh,
00:16:21what, with the discussion about
00:16:25this wiretapping, it must be understood that from a constitutional
00:16:28perspective,
00:16:31guaranteed in the constitution. I believe Article 28G paragraph 1
00:16:35of the Constitution clearly states that the state guarantees that privacy.
00:16:39Even if we compare it with several international covenants, one
00:16:43of which is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,
00:16:46the covenants on civil and political rights of society, Article
00:16:4917 also clearly states that the right to privacy
00:16:53is an inviolable right and must be fully guaranteed
00:16:57by the state. Now, I think in the matter of wiretapping, we cannot
00:17:00just attribute it to the political elite, because if the ruling
00:17:04all is the political elite, I think it's not fair, because the issue of wiretapping
00:17:08is about the fundamental rights of citizens or the privacy rights of citizens.
00:17:11Let me give an example, Mas Iqbal. Until now,
00:17:15we have not found a release from the police regarding who
00:17:19exactly was explicitly wiretapped apart from Parbow
00:17:21and, uh, Seskaptedi, for example. We don't know that.
00:17:25Even though what we want is for this announcement to
00:17:29confirm that there was indeed abuse within the police force, there
00:17:32were illegal actions carried out by police officers who
00:17:36spied on their citizens, which clearly violated the
00:17:39constitution because it is a fundamental right of citizens. Secondly,
00:17:43I think these illegal actions confirm
00:17:46that the police until now are still
00:17:50a tool of power that is driven and used, as
00:17:53Mr. [name] said, as a tool of pressure. The bottom line
00:17:57is, if we talk about a tool of pressure, this actually leads
00:18:01to efforts to control opposition groups, for example. If we
00:18:04read the genealogy of Mr. Listyo Sigit, for example,
00:18:08because he was indeed appointed and worked for a long time with
00:18:12Mr. Jokowi, it is difficult to deny that there is a genealogical connection
00:18:15with Mr. Jokowi, but that is a political perspective. If we
00:18:18read the genes, it could be that because of the
00:18:22"split" between Mr. Jokowi and Mr. Prabowo, for example, the wiretapping
00:18:26issue also emerged and spread everywhere, even tending to be wild.
00:18:29For me, one thing is that if we talk about wiretapping,
00:18:33it should be placed in the concept of fundamental human
00:18:36rights that were actually violated by several high-ranking officers
00:18:39in the police. One, and second, these arbitrary
00:18:42actions prove that we still do not have
00:18:46law enforcement officers, an institution called the Indonesian
00:18:49National Police, that is professional. There is even a tendency,
00:18:52regardless of Mr. Suyudi's statement that this is purely a legal
00:18:56matter, I don't believe that because it is difficult
00:18:59to deny that this is not just a legal issue. There
00:19:02is a problematic situation where police officers are indeed
00:19:06unprofessional in carrying out their duties and functions,
00:19:09even tending to be over-abusive of citizens' fundamental rights.
00:19:13So, I actually feel that this is also
00:19:16a momentum for us to carry out or push for
00:19:19further reforms within the police institution with, uh, the
00:19:23facts that we have obtained in various cases. Okay, we'll continue
00:19:27later, because I also quoted Mr. Ugro who
00:19:30had stated that there was strong suspicion of an
00:19:34intellectual actor behind all the wiretapping cases. We will
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