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00:00:00I'm coming back from a trip, entering
00:00:03Germany, and there they're separating us on this connecting
00:00:06flight and they say "Europe over here, the rest
00:00:09over here." And now the gentleman looks at me, I'm tall, white, etc.
00:00:13and he suggests to me "Europe over here," mhm. Now I know
00:00:17he means the European Union, but let me now engage in this aggressive
00:00:21pedagogy to get to that line to show them that they actually didn't
00:00:24do that well, and then I go to that "Europe" line, logically that
00:00:28that line is for Europe. "Your colleague
00:00:38said Europe over here, he meant the European
00:00:41Union, I don't know what he means, he said Europe, here now, I
00:00:45am Europe, I am Europe, Bosnia and Herzegovina is still Europe," he says, "how long were you
00:00:49in Europe? How long did you stay in Europe?" I said, "All of my life," my entire
00:00:53life, so literally, that's the point, so
00:00:56that's aggressive pedagogy, but
00:00:59here's another example." So the most uh the intention is that
00:01:02mostly young people will use it, logically, maybe they will even misuse it and
00:01:06use it as a script for exams, and then some professors, from whom I know
00:01:10everything, will get angry that I
00:01:13add fuel to the fire, let's say finally, when we talk made it a little easier for them, and then knowledge
00:01:15on exams will be transferred so that they won't read these
00:01:19extensive books that are prepared specifically for students
00:01:22of these European studies, political science and so on,
00:01:26but I would really like every politician, you all...
00:01:38Because in today's pedagogy, the point is no longer, all questions have been answered, you
00:01:42can ask on Chat GPT or another
00:01:45uh, on another platform m, ask a question, get an answer, often you don't know what
00:01:49to ask as a question, often you don't have any reference, someone else
00:01:52gave it to you, so the positive knowledge that we need to have to ask successfully,
00:01:56so someone gives you a reference, then you ask questions in that...
00:02:00channel of that reference without even knowing that
00:02:03Britain already had Brexit in the 60s,
00:02:06which was unsuccessful, that Norway
00:02:09went through the entire process of
00:02:13integration into the European Union twice, only for the people to reject
00:02:17entry into the European Union twice in a referendum. How long did it take them to enter? Well, the Norwegians didn't enter in the end,
00:02:20did they? Here's a concrete example. I mean, for the British, how long did it take them? They
00:02:24were in the first enlargement, so in 1976, but
00:02:27the point is that after only two years
00:02:30they wanted to leave the European Union, so for us, that Brexit in 2018 was some
00:02:33big innovation, I don't know, people are leaving
00:02:37now, in their home, they tried it literally 40, 50 years before
00:02:41that, but they didn't succeed, so those things are missing, what you
00:02:45said in the introduction, what is the Council of Europe, what is the European Council, what is,
00:02:49so we mix up concepts, everyone has to google something every
00:02:52now and then, if they don't deal with that issue,
00:02:54precisely that pedagogy which is aimed
00:02:58process, uh... is what makes this book interesting, all that information
00:03:02exists, the book is absolutely not original, when you go to
00:03:06Europa.eu, you can find in Croatian,
00:03:09here specifically, which is official in Europe, so hundreds
00:03:12of thousands of publications. And what did you actually want, were there
00:03:16any misconceptions that you wanted to dispel with this book? You just
00:03:20talked about Brexit existing in Great Britain earlier, not
00:03:23this 2018 one that only we know about and talk about, about the Norwegians,
00:03:27so what else, what other misconceptions? Besides the examples
00:03:31I will mention, I wanted to change the pedagogy of learning in the European Union,
00:03:34we have so much information about the European Union, we think about the European
00:03:38Union, we don't think about the ways we should think about
00:03:42the European Union, that's the changed pedagogy, nothing
00:03:45in the book exists, so not a single
00:03:49piece of information that you won't find in other books, nor am I
00:03:52revealing, so it's difficult to do that, normally if you don't have some
00:03:56exclusive way to collect information to get
00:03:59it. And what is very important is that this is written
00:04:03in an understandable way that attracts people to
00:04:06make European Union topics
00:04:10the essence of the learning pedagogy, which is individualized for people who
00:04:13are afraid, let's be concrete, so what are the misconceptions, and what should
00:04:17we actually learn that concerns
00:04:21us when the European Union is concerned? Let's first, let's first, there are
00:04:25therefore integration processes that are very...
00:04:28old, that have been going on for about 70 years, that have
00:04:32changed over time, which even within the European Union, among
00:04:36countries that have been in the European Union for a very long time, still don't function, mhm,
00:04:39so I tell students after a semester of lectures on the European Union, if
00:04:43you want to take something away from this lecture, it's that the European
00:04:46Union has four freedoms: freedom of movement, of capital,
00:04:50of people, services, and goods, that's it, that's your whole
00:04:54semester, that it's one market where these four
00:04:57freedoms move. And we repeat the same, the same mantra
00:05:01every time, every time, people still don't understand it, because they imagine
00:05:04the European Union as some supranational mega
00:05:07institution, mega organization, mega state and so on. "The
00:05:11EU also skillfully uses this, so they send some
00:05:14commissioner for foreign policy, well, no, they don't have
00:05:18an army, they don't have therefore
00:05:21structures that can implement these big policies of those 500
00:05:25million people in the global market, that is, that integration, besides
00:05:29us integrating into the European Union, the European Union further integrates with each other,
00:05:32mhm, so we repeat the same mantras, 30 years
00:05:35after the founding of the European Communities
00:05:39in '89, '8, '87, so a few years." we look at Jacques
00:05:43Delors, the then Ursula von der Leyen, the French
00:05:46politician, writes a white paper which is a list of
00:05:491,200 things they still hadn't integrated
00:05:53in 30 years of existence by then, mhm, so
00:05:56just remember that these SEPA payments were only recently introduced,
00:06:00so money transfers within the European Union without additional
00:06:03fees, so everything takes time for comfort, everything takes time, so
00:06:06integration is not something we are integrating into. "in the European Union
00:06:09is not a static mass, we are not, nor is it perfect, we are not
00:06:13sticking our play-doh to an already formed ball, but
00:06:16we are becoming part of that play-doh that with our entry and Montenegro's
00:06:20entry, I don't know, Albania's and so on, that ball
00:06:24will continue to change, that's the point, the essence of it, a few days ago
00:06:28a young lady, Ajna Mešić, was my guest here
00:06:31in the studio, who spoke about the status of youth in Bosnia and
00:06:35Herzegovina at the Nordic forum
00:06:38uh in Copenhagen and she said..."
00:06:42"What do young people want? Young people actually want to know when they go and
00:06:46pay their electricity bill, where that money goes, who supplies them with that
00:06:49electricity, that is actually the knowledge that young people need today, not who
00:06:53is the minister for energy, mining, industry,
00:06:57and similar. Let's actually transfer this
00:06:59to this field, what does a person in Bosnia and
00:07:03Herzegovina need to know about the European Union, concerning him, these
00:07:07names I mentioned at the beginning, candidate status, negotiating
00:07:10chapters, Council of Europe, more or less if you ask Europeans,
00:07:14they probably wouldn't know either, but what should a Bosnian and Herzegovinian
00:07:18know when it comes to the European Union, especially with these
00:07:21funds that we regularly
00:07:34to know depends on what our statutory
00:07:37interest is in that community. If you are a farmer in Bosnia
00:07:41and Herzegovina, "know that your entry into the European Union will greatly
00:07:45benefit you, mhm, so the programs that the European Union, so
00:07:48that agricultural policy of the European Union, one of the oldest
00:07:52policies, is perhaps also the strongest, the most money is allocated
00:07:55to it, and farmers, half the budget, exactly, so for those who didn't
00:07:59know, these are literally small things, but here, it's a huge thing,
00:08:03a huge thing, but small things to know that agriculture is half of the European
00:08:07Union, half of their budget, simply put, we fight with them
00:08:10and try to be competitive." competitive, we can't have cheaper
00:08:14milk, or eggs and so on, because their eggs, milk are often
00:08:18bought before they are produced, their wine, their cereals and
00:08:22so on, so European farmers are much more relaxed than
00:08:25Bosnian and Herzegovinian farmers because they know that their product has already been bought before it's produced,
00:08:29before it's, uh, well, the cow has been milked
00:08:33or the wine produced in bottles and so on, after all, what
00:08:37happened before, often they had to destroy those products at the end
00:08:41of the year to get subsidies the next year, which is also a downside
00:08:44of those subsidies, so rivers of wine
00:08:48flowed in France, m, that's right,
00:08:50that's right, those are the downsides, if you are a young person
00:08:54looking for a job in the European Union, in
00:08:57the context of the European Union's social policy, you need to know that all countries, that the European
00:09:01Union does not have its own social policy, mhm, that there are, therefore,
00:09:05integrative dimensions of European social policy, some
00:09:08form of common identification in the healthcare system, so they have it.
00:09:13and so on, but if you go to another country, that doesn't mean you automatically
00:09:17have health insurance there or that they put you on their
00:09:21register to receive some unemployment benefits and
00:09:25so on, so if you are a young person, have an EU passport, think
00:09:28carefully about which country you are going to and where those benefits
00:09:32benefit you, and so on, so the point is
00:09:36depending on what you are, what you do, are you a fisherman,
00:09:39farmer, young person, person looking for a job regardless of... age,
00:09:42status and so on, you need to know these
00:09:46European policies, how they function so that you can
00:09:49move within the domain of interest that suits you from your
00:09:53professional or personal status, but also in the community
00:09:56you represent, with which you want to cooperate in that European
00:10:00part, remember these four freedoms, you
00:10:03want to exchange people, goods, capital and services, let's
00:10:07follow that logic, not to root for
00:10:11the youth or for the elderly somewhere else, where is the best place to get old
00:10:14in Europe, in which country? Well, currently the biggest
00:10:18benefits, I think, are still in the Nordic countries, so that's
00:10:21something that studying maybe is in terms of uh...
00:10:25diploma, quality of diploma or in terms of, oh, I would
00:10:29honestly say it's still the Netherlands and Germany, although other countries
00:10:32also offer a favorable ratio between
00:10:36study costs and diploma quality, doing business, doing
00:10:39business, well most countries are struggling for that
00:10:43status, the easiest, the easiest place to find employees, believe it or not, is in
00:10:47the Czech Republic or Poland today and a job
00:10:50and so this opening of companies, opening
00:10:53of crafts and so on, Germany
00:10:55and the Netherlands are the leading countries in that regard, although I say everyone is
00:10:59competing, the differences are small, the nuances are small again in relation to what
00:11:03you are looking for as an entrepreneur, as a person who wants to
00:11:06start a business, now mm the student list in Serbia
00:11:10that won, won with messages about the rule of law and
00:11:13the fight against corruption, which are uh, somewhere the foundations of European
00:11:17integrations, I am interested in your opinion on what that victory
00:11:21means for Bosnia and Herzegovina and why, well, not even
00:11:24Serbia, or rather the student list, didn't insist on the European Union at all,
00:11:28but first on some internal issues that need to be resolved,
00:11:31then the European Union is now mentioned there, now
00:11:35we ourselves are mentioned, actually we mention ourselves the most and somewhere push
00:11:38that basket that we will actually have some benefits from it, what do you think,
00:11:42will we, they say, here again I will be diplomatic, they say that foreign
00:11:46policy is what interests us, since Serbia is a foreign country to us, so
00:11:50that is a foreign policy issue, they say that foreign policy is a reflection
00:11:54of internal affairs. of a person and misfortunes of a country, that it is a mirror, so from
00:11:58the Bosnian-Herzegovinian perspective,
00:12:00normally geographically Serbia is a country we are leaned upon
00:12:04and it is very important to us what is happening there, that is the basic
00:12:07principle, the same applies to them, although
00:12:10the issues on which the student list in Serbia won
00:12:14uh their elections, i.e. votes, are explicitly
00:12:17domestic, so from Novi Sad and all other issues that their former
00:12:21president failed to solve, those are...
00:12:25still issues that have foreign policy repercussions,
00:12:28logically, for domestic votes, you fight with domestic issues, then
00:12:32when you come to power, you simply take on a set of issues that
00:12:36you cannot simply change or rotate
00:12:39180 degrees and so on and so forth, I don't think
00:12:43there will be any radical change, what I see is
00:12:46some new possible reconciliations for us to embrace together,
00:12:50if we speak in the context of the European Union, for that little hand and perhaps start
00:12:53that integrated process, can it complicate
00:12:56processes for Bosnia and Herzegovina towards the European Union?
00:12:59Well, honestly, I don't believe that old Serbia with Vučić
00:13:03could have complicated it that much, because that process
00:13:06is so individualized that in that sense
00:13:10there are small things we can do to hinder each other, but I wonder if Brussels will now
00:13:13view Serbia differently based on their move,
00:13:17maybe leaving Bosnia and Herzegovina at the back of the region, I mean where we currently
00:13:21are, if we look at the circumstances, I will just say, we're definitely in that line.
00:13:37change there in the context, it's logical that the European Union is happy to have another country
00:13:41that, mhm, leads to better
00:13:44cooperation, to more concrete cooperation in the field of EU
00:13:47integrations, that makes the process easier for them to
00:13:51breathe easier in this community, of course, they count on these.
00:13:55spillover factors, if Belgrade is better disposed, then
00:13:58Republika Srpska will also be better disposed, so that will a little, how will
00:14:02Republika Srpska be disposed, especially Milorad Dodik who was strongly reliant
00:14:06first on Orban, who is not on the political scene, then now on Vučić, so
00:14:09here, I usually in my analysis of international
00:14:13relations rarely use elites as some specific indicator, that is
00:14:17usually the practice here, and Orban said, I don't know
00:14:20Dodik said, Trump said, so yes, they are very important, that is therefore only
00:14:24one perspective. of realism, how things work, these
00:14:28are some big giants holding the balls and they are now somehow
00:14:31managing the processes, there are institutions, there are
00:14:34courts, there are parliaments, there are interest groups, there are, you know,
00:14:38independent civil society, civil
00:14:40society organizations, so Mr. Dodik is not Republika
00:14:44Srpska, and what he says is not what everyone in Republika Srpska
00:14:48thinks, I would like to say that
00:15:02maybe people would say, maybe Milorad Dodik or
00:15:05SNSD hypothetically, is not the best option for cooperation
00:15:09with these new people, if we knew that Vučić would fall
00:15:13in inverted commas, that this list in the federation would it change, I also
00:15:16believe that people would set up their
00:15:20football national teams in politics differently.
00:15:23"compared to seeing how the opposing goalkeeper
00:15:27or the opposing team
00:15:45that the reflection of these internal external relations depends
00:15:48on how much the structures fit into each other, not necessarily
00:15:52elites, not necessarily individual a, b, c or
00:15:55who comes to a gathering and lights a fire I don't know, they sing
00:15:59together, that's all nice, that's all wonderful, but there are also structures
00:16:03that are much stronger than we give them credit for, here the student list shows.
00:16:07how strong it is, uh, given the recent
00:16:11events over the weekend with the police chief
00:16:14in Serbia, can what, well, even at those private
00:16:17coffees, uh, people
00:16:21say, that perhaps Dodik will be banned from entering
00:16:24Serbia, that his properties
00:16:28or businesses in Serbia will be re-examined, can that realistically happen?
00:16:31Well, if they are sincere in the context of the rule of law, which is not just
00:16:35that...
00:16:41Then yes, but let's posit a hypothetical thesis, here again
00:16:44for the morning program to entertain the viewers, what
00:16:48if this is all a setup,
00:16:50what if Aleksandar Vučić,
00:16:53hypothetically, let these elections go
00:16:56to the students so they make a large number of blunders
00:17:00that they will inevitably make with their enthusiasm, because
00:17:04they want a better Serbia, more
00:17:06Europe, more. I don't know, less Russia, less China, whatever, however they
00:17:10conceived their foreign policy, yes, now for example, these steps happen that
00:17:14Zorana Mihajlović warned about, I don't know, Dačić and Vučić,
00:17:18Kosovo will be recognized, Srebrenica will suddenly enter
00:17:21textbooks, I don't know, it will be that January 9th is the first test when January
00:17:249th will be, and all, all, all these moments, and they really
00:17:28in the best intention, in the best spirit change it all
00:17:31and Kosovo is recognized and Srebrenica is recognized
00:17:35in the full sense of the word and all these things
00:17:38that they warned about then the Serbian community
00:17:42suddenly sees that it's not what they wanted, because they voted for those people because
00:17:45of Novi Sad, because of some new blood, some fresh
00:17:48perspective, then in a year, we have snap elections again at
00:17:52which Mr. Vučić wins with a two-thirds
00:17:55majority due to disappointment in the short period that this young,
00:17:59naive, immature team has done and
00:18:02then he won't be able to correct these things that they
00:18:06"made mistakes" in, but he will have a historical safeguard
00:18:09that someone else did it, mhm and then he will now say, "If you had been
00:18:13smarter then, this wouldn't have happened to us, but it's over now, let's take
00:18:17another step," so simply uh, I'm just putting this out as
00:18:21a hypothesis, simply perhaps this is a backstage
00:18:25game to find some scapegoats, unfortunately,
00:18:28here, I just, since all other theses have already been told, but here's
00:18:32this one nice thought, maybe they are
00:18:35the scapegoats to somehow lead Serbia
00:18:39on the right path, in inverted commas,
00:18:42and to pay a high historical price,
00:18:45so that someone else profits from their mistakes
00:18:49by not changing these things, because how many, here, you are a professor
00:18:53of international law, how many such
00:18:56moves have we seen uh in history,
00:19:00often, often, you have many such, purely for those who say
00:19:03that maybe now they are thinking too loudly, here, Medvedev, no...
00:19:07I know some other big figures who were literally
00:19:11set up in history to take the bullet, to take
00:19:14that bullet because the state, simply Serbia,
00:19:18simply at one point can no longer sit on two or three chairs, that is
00:19:22clear to everyone, but it is clear also to those who have been in politics for a long time
00:19:25that they cannot enter history as individuals who ruined
00:19:29Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Hungary, any country with such moves
00:19:33and simply the inevitability of those things that are
00:19:36historical continuity. must happen, someone
00:19:39else simply naively enters
00:19:42that vortex, that grinding machine
00:19:46and simply becomes a historical victim of those decisions in the best
00:19:49intention, I repeat, but counting on the fact that that might have
00:19:53been someone's plan, yes, time will tell, we cannot
00:19:56know that, we can only hope for the best and wish those who
00:20:00have pure intentions that everyone benefits from them, that's how it is in Bosnia and
00:20:03Herzegovina, let's comment on that. the formation of government, so, what
00:20:07will the political scene of Bosnia and Herzegovina look like, will we see something
00:20:10different or actually,
00:20:13just a return to the old settings, what can a citizen of Bosnia and Herzegovina expect,
00:20:26with colleagues, and probably everyone else so far, is that it took
00:20:30us 12, 12 years, 160
00:20:34million marks for those scanners to find out that people really
00:20:37like uh
00:20:41right-wing parties, let me not call them nationalist parties, but right-wing
00:20:45parties, that for BiH it is a hard-core
00:20:48stronghold of people who. like
00:20:51in their representations they have people who are steadfast
00:20:54who speak as they speak, this is
00:20:57ours, this is yours, what can we agree on, what can't we,
00:21:01we will fight, we won't agree, and so on, you know,
00:21:04it's funny, jokes aside, uh, that process of government formation
00:21:06in BiH will naturally depend on deadlines and
00:21:11institutional, you know, pieces that must
00:21:13fit together because higher levels cannot exist without Houses of Peoples that are, you
00:21:17know, elected from cantons and then from
00:21:20the Federation, i.e. from entities and so on, I think these are foreign words,
00:21:24that maybe we should first for BiH for
00:21:27the uninitiated, so that we can learn what
00:21:31we have and at what level we have it in Bosnia and Herzegovina, is the idea good, yes, yes,
00:21:35that's a good idea, but I don't know how useful that would be
00:21:38to people to further deepen that
00:21:41frustration, unlike the European Union for the uninitiated, there, our goal was to
00:21:45encourage people to learn in our context,
00:21:48I'm afraid an additional book about how complicated it is for us,
00:21:52how tightly we are bound in some straitjacket
00:21:56and cannot move forward, would be a bit of a
00:21:59bitter pill to
00:22:03again about the handbook, uh, if
00:22:07you could give a copy to a politician, you would probably also
00:22:10underline something from that handbook for him, what would you underline
00:22:13uh, first, in a didactic sense, the book is available
00:22:17online to everyone. everyone I think should download it and
00:22:20simply mark, then they mark, that's it, exactly, have
00:22:24those so many pages somewhere on your
00:22:27desktop, simply so that you don't feel that it's a foreign
00:22:30concept to you, that it's some foreign body thesis, so some foreign EU thesis for someone
00:22:34else, and for politicians
00:22:37definitely uh that they need
00:22:40to be a bit braver in the context of the European Union, it says in that book, uh,
00:22:44it says, I won't say between the lines, it says that negotiations
00:22:47are a very important thing, but that negotiations are not. what the European Union insists
00:22:51on, just deadlines, negotiations are really about interests, there are a very
00:22:55large number of big countries within the European Union that, in different periods
00:22:58of time, and I must admit, we are not that strong and we are no longer in
00:23:02that era, but they have negotiated great things not to be part of, I don't
00:23:06know, the European security area in terms of providing some
00:23:09military structures or not having to pay some dues, or are we
00:23:13even thinking about it or are we forcefully trying just to
00:23:16get in, exactly, today the mantra is "let's get in, whatever
00:23:20it takes, however, so that these stars shine here and here,"
00:23:23and it's forgotten that we must have some negotiation sense.
00:23:27situation, some sense, here Montenegro, the backbone, exactly, Monte-
00:23:31Negro has again introduced visas for Turkey, mhm, and
00:23:34they normally plan to do so for these other countries where the European Union imposes that
00:23:37obligation on them, you can postpone that, for God's sake, it's not like this
00:23:41is advice, oh God, now someone from the delegation will say what and persuade,
00:23:44no, uh, we have interests to have a visa
00:23:47-free regime with some others. Of course, a visa-free regime with the European
00:23:51Union now in this white Schengen area, right, it's logical that we have to
00:23:55weigh between one and the other, but we can't just
00:23:58come and say okay when we abolish it for Turkey
00:24:02and then tell us when to, but simply suspend that
00:24:06question for later, delegate some new question to the agenda
00:24:10now and that's why we need
00:24:22education or some other circumstances to learn about the European Union, this is
00:24:26really a booklet that is not original in any way, but well,
00:24:30some expert, in inverted commas, has summarized what everyone
00:24:33perhaps should know about it without you additionally looking for more work
00:27:03is there principledness or among politicians does the saying apply,
00:27:07there are no eternal friends or enemies, only
00:27:10eternal interests, who builds, who destroys the state,
00:27:13we monitor the work of institutions because everything starts
00:27:16there.
00:27:23Without a doubt, your trust, your support, we open the most important
00:27:27topics, from crime, corruption and constitutional issues. Our goal is
00:27:31a fairer society, a society tailored to every citizen of Bosnia and
00:27:34Herzegovina. Through the fight for your rights,
00:27:38we always walk with you. In your name, we search
00:27:41for answers. With you, we seek
00:27:44solutions.
00:27:48Your concern for a better, safer environment, the preservation of natural
00:27:52resources, the improvement of mutual relations, is our
00:27:55focus, because we are also a part of Bosnian-Herzegovinian
00:27:59society.
00:29:38America elects Congress. Trump's policies are facing a new
00:29:42test, who will have the majority power to pass laws,
00:29:45approve money, oversee the president. From Washington, we follow
00:29:49the key moments of the American midterm elections that could determine
00:29:52the political future of the USA. We include reporters and
00:29:55experts from Sarajevo and Belgrade, while our guests
00:29:58explain the political consequences. From decisions in
00:30:01Washington. to consequences for Europe, our region, what
00:30:05changes this election night brings and what the results mean for
00:30:09Donald Trump, we bring you directly from the American
00:30:12capital. American elections for Congress, November
00:30:153rd, election night on N1.