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00:00:36the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the audience has the opportunity
00:00:39to see the exhibition of Italian photojournalist Mario
00:00:42Boccia, Sarajevo 92-96.
00:00:46The longest siege. The exhibition is part of his multi-year
00:00:49effort to bring the experience of Sarajevo citizens during the siege closer
00:00:53through photography and open space for discussion about
00:00:56the past, but also messages for the future.
00:01:00The exhibition, through about fifty authentic black and white photographs, brings
00:01:04testimony about the daily life of the city under siege. The author, instead of scenes
00:01:08of destruction and death, focuses on people and
00:01:11life. When you look at these photographs on the wall, I must
00:01:15tell you that these are photographs that no newspaper wanted to publish
00:01:18because, according to them, it was not dramatic enough. And I was actually touched
00:01:22by the fact that children manage to smile in such terrible moments. This is
00:01:26proof that life and the desire for life are much stronger than war.
00:01:29The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina has been collecting and preserving photographs
00:01:33and documents about the siege of Sarajevo for years, and part of that material is also presented through
00:01:36the permanent exhibition "Besieged Sarajevo." It is a process that continues
00:01:40today, because we believe it is very important to show such
00:01:43photographs to new generations again and again, not only to
00:01:47teach them about what happened, but also to somehow
00:01:50prepare them to think about the future, to
00:01:53know what war is and how bad it is
00:01:57for new generations. Mario does this... persistently
00:02:01and with hundreds or thousands of young people in Italy. That is,
00:02:04for example, one of his differences compared to other photojournalists
00:02:08who were war photographers here. His
00:02:12photographs today travel, meeting newer generations with
00:02:15the story of the city, its people, and life during the war
00:02:18years. This is already the third round of these
00:02:22exhibitions, I started in Belgrade. The first exhibition was set up in Belgrade
00:02:26and I must tell you that the students, young people, were very shaken when they
00:02:29saw the photographs. I think it is primarily a political act, not just
00:02:33historical. Mario Boccia has been a friend of the museum for
00:02:36many years and he has donated a large part of his photographs to the archive
00:02:40of the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina, thereby enriching
00:02:43our photo collection with photographs that bear witness to
00:02:47daily life, to civil resistance,
00:02:50of citizens, children about whom he
00:02:52talks a lot and whom he photographed a lot
00:02:56during the siege, recording what historical data often cannot
00:03:00convey: wartime everyday life, life under siege, fears, but
00:03:03also the ways in which people tried to preserve life and its usual
00:03:07flows despite wartime circumstances. Boccia proves to us again and again how
00:03:11important photography can be in preserving memory. Amila
00:03:14Mrkonja, N1,
00:03:16Sarajevo.
00:05:22decades knocking on heaven's door. On Wednesday, the doors of
00:05:25the Vatican opened, where the Nobel laureate had a private
00:05:28conversation with Pope Leo, Reuters reported. Photographs
00:05:32of the meeting between the Pope and Dylan were published by Vatican
00:05:35media, and what attracted the attention of many was Dylan's
00:05:39appearance. He came in a black
00:05:43hoodie, and black
00:05:44gloves.
00:17:27after the October elections in which SDA and SDP won an equal
00:17:31number of mandates, questions were raised about the future government in Sarajevo
00:17:34Canton, possible coalitions at higher levels, and... and the responsibility
00:17:38of the SDP for the election result and upcoming internal party changes.
00:17:41With Davor Čičić, a representative in the Sarajevo Canton Assembly,
00:17:45we discuss who has the majority today, can Sarajevo get a new
00:17:48government, are SDA and SDP getting closer at higher
00:17:52levels, and what future awaits SDP. Good day first of all, welcome, good day to you
00:17:55and to all our viewers who are watching us. Before we move on to these
00:17:59uh political topics from the announcement, I would like to
00:18:02go back a little to this report from today's protest
00:18:06in front of the government. In Sarajevo, is there money in
00:18:09the cantonal budget for the increase in salaries
00:18:26uh these, so to speak, these negotiations and these today's
00:18:30protests regarding healthcare workers in Sarajevo
00:18:33Canton, we as SDP absolutely support all the rights
00:18:36of the union and... they express their opinion and I think that in
00:18:39the past period, while we were in power, uh
00:18:43we tried to be a good partner to all unions, not only
00:18:47healthcare unions but all other unions in Sarajevo Canton and I think we will
00:18:50continue mm in that direction. Also,
00:18:54for the sake of truth, for the sake of truth, let's go back
00:18:57a little and we must understand that in this
00:19:00mandate in which we were in power, the salaries
00:19:03of healthcare workers, in this specific case, it was the period in which
00:19:07healthcare workers' salaries grew the most, yes, but it is obvious that there were some
00:19:11discrepancies that caused this dissatisfaction,
00:19:1350%, the basic salary increased in the past
00:19:16four years, of course there will be people who will say prices have also increased,
00:19:20inflation has increased, but when you take some cumulative inflation
00:19:24for this period mm and compare how much salaries have increased,
00:19:27salaries have still increased more than that
00:19:30cumulative inflation. I think that is positive, that we need to strengthen
00:19:34our healthcare sector. Look at the salaries of our healthcare
00:19:37workers in Sarajevo Canton compared to other cantons and compared to other
00:19:41mm the entire BiH, you can
00:19:45see the direction in which the SDP led this
00:19:48ministry and I think that Enis Hasanović as minister and the previous
00:19:51minister Haris Vranić did a very good job in the
00:19:55Ministry of Health. Now, uh, this, this is
00:19:58a union, a union of healthcare workers who went out to protest. We need to
00:20:02know that in the canton we have several unions representing
00:20:06healthcare workers. This happened
00:20:09probably because, I think, probably, that's what union
00:20:12representatives say, because one union got one increase,
00:20:16and the other didn't. I think that's the cause. Whenever more
00:20:20unions negotiate, one always gets more, there will always be reasons for
00:20:24another union to complain that they haven't achieved all
00:20:27their rights. Maybe the right way is to unite those unions and then
00:20:31negotiate all together about all the rights of all healthcare workers, because obviously
00:20:34this way someone will always be, so to speak...
00:20:37dissatisfied. Is there money? The salaries of healthcare workers
00:20:41in Sarajevo Canton are paid from the Health Insurance
00:20:44Institute. That is perhaps a question more for the
00:20:47director of the Health Insurance Institute, but... "I think these
00:20:51union demands should be taken seriously and we should try to find some compromise,
00:20:55try to talk to the unions and find
00:20:58a method to somehow meet them halfway so that
00:21:01people are at least somewhat satisfied, because, as I said, it's hard
00:21:05to meet everyone halfway so that everyone is 100% satisfied, but
00:21:08given all these developments,
00:21:11uh, I think we should talk and try
00:21:14to find some common ground. This new
00:21:18government that is being announced will certainly have a lot of work
00:21:22to do and this task certainly awaits them. Definitely. Faruk Kapidžić from
00:21:25SDA says today, I will be the prime minister of Sarajevo Canton and
00:21:29we have problems to solve with water. These water problems somehow
00:21:32surfaced right during the election campaign and have lasted
00:21:36quite long. Something that
00:21:39it seems the previous government, of which you were a part, did not
00:21:42deal with. Uh, it caught up with you at the very
00:21:46end. Well, let me comment on that...
00:21:50"In a way, perhaps the situation in the utility sector is something that
00:21:54decided that the 'trojka' would not be the absolute winner of these elections in this
00:21:57cycle. I mean, when we all talk, we have to admit where we made
00:22:01mistakes, not just where we did things
00:22:04well. But in any case, I want to,
00:22:08if you give me space, to highlight the SDP's result in
00:22:12Sarajevo Canton. We were in power, as you say, we went from six representatives
00:22:16to nine representative seats, and also in
00:22:19the Federation. As for Sarajevo Canton, from this electoral unit, we went from two to
00:22:23three and defended our mandate. Is the coalition capacity what
00:22:27it is? Yes, it is what it is, that is also the truth, and I would like to take this
00:22:30opportunity to thank all the people who voted for
00:22:34the SDP in Sarajevo Canton, I say, and all our members
00:22:38and sympathizers and all those who on the ground influenced and worked for
00:22:42the SDP Sarajevo to achieve such a result and
00:22:45it is certainly, I want to tell you, the result of people who
00:22:48recognized the work of this... SDP in Sarajevo Canton, to
00:22:52get 50%, so to speak, more mandates in
00:22:55the period after you were in power, is really a great
00:22:59success, such cases rarely happen, so
00:23:02I say, we cannot look at everything negatively, we mm conducted
00:23:06a dignified campaign, I am very proud of the SDP Sarajevo for that
00:23:09campaign, which, we only talked about work, about everything we did
00:23:12and what we achieved, we did not engage in slandering and
00:23:16insulting others, which they did
00:23:20through all possible channels that were available to them against us
00:23:23and that's why I'm even more proud and this
00:23:27result, in my opinion, makes it even better and even greater. Were there mistakes?
00:23:30Yes, in the coalition, in everything, we must draw conclusions
00:23:34from what the citizens told us and in the future
00:23:38try to improve those things, of course,
00:23:41the result would certainly be much better for us and the coalition
00:23:45if those things, uh, especially regarding public
00:23:49utilities, were better than they are. I will return to this
00:23:52message from Faruk Kapidžić who says he will be prime minister. Some claim that
00:23:56the government in the canton can be formed quickly. You say that there could
00:23:59be blockades in that process. If a majority
00:24:02exists, uh, what is actually the problem with forming
00:24:06the government? Uh, I don't know what
00:24:09the nervousness of these ruling, so to speak, this
00:24:12majority is. They are not yet ruling, but here, this
00:24:15majority that came out themselves and said they have 18 hands,
00:24:19meaning... the election results, the constitution and law, the assembly's rules of procedure
00:24:23state that whoever has a majority of representatives can form
00:24:27a government. That is democracy. We
00:24:29respect that.
00:24:32We respect that and in any case, we congratulate them on that result and
00:24:35we want them to take over power as soon as possible to show
00:24:39everything they know and everything they talked about in the campaign, all that
00:24:43negative, so to speak, campaign that went against the troika, what they
00:24:46criticized, to show how they can do it better from that side. "Here,
00:24:50I say, I would like them to take over responsibility as soon as possible, not just the talk
00:24:54they've been doing for the past four years. On the other hand, what
00:24:57you are pointing out, also the election result, the constitution and
00:25:00the laws of this country state that the SDP and the
00:25:04parties of the 'troika' will have a majority in the leadership of the Sarajevo Canton Assembly,
00:25:08specifically in three clubs out of four
00:25:11clubs of the people.
00:25:13The parties of the 'troika', primarily the SDP, will have
00:25:17a majority and will be able to elect their members to the assembly leadership.
00:25:21Now, what happens next? First, when the assembly is established,
00:25:24when the assembly is formed, when the representatives take their oath,
00:25:28and take over their mandates, the first thing that is done according
00:25:31to the constitution, not only of Sarajevo Canton, but the constitution of the federation, is the establishment of clubs
00:25:35of the people in
00:25:37the assembly. These clubs of the people, based on the number of people
00:25:41elected to those clubs of the people, choose
00:25:44and decide who will be in the assembly leadership, who will represent those people in
00:25:48the assembly leadership. "Mm, after that, when
00:25:52those are elected by the clubs of the people, it goes to the assembly for confirmation, meaning
00:25:55that majority of 18 representatives must
00:25:58confirm these four members of the assembly leadership."
00:26:01That's the key, that's where the first, first blockade occurs.
00:26:05In case this majority that has
00:26:08presented itself does not confirm the assembly leadership, then we come to a
00:26:12blockade of the assembly, a paralysis of the assembly. Can the process be returned to
00:26:15the beginning or uh, when we talk about
00:26:19the election of the assembly leadership within, why would it return,
00:26:22the clubs of the people, which is their constitutional right, decide who will be
00:26:26their representative, why would the process go back, why
00:26:30can some majority influence the will of the clubs of the people when
00:26:33they should represent the assembly leadership. So, we
00:26:37respect the majority of representatives they have in the Sarajevo Canton Assembly,
00:26:41and similarly, uh, the election
00:26:44result which says that SDP, together with its
00:26:47partners from the 'troika' parties, has a majority in the assembly leadership,
00:26:51I don't know what the big nervousness is about and why it's
00:26:54so uh problematic that
00:26:58further, if that assembly leadership
00:27:01is not confirmed, then paralysis and blockade of the assembly occurs. This
00:27:04further prevents the further source of that new Sarajevo Canton government,
00:27:08and also prevents the election
00:27:11of delegates to the House of Peoples of the Federation of Bosnia and
00:27:14Herzegovina. Last night I heard a dangerous thing that
00:27:18Mr. Efendić said on a
00:27:22portal, which was, "We will block it, we don't like
00:27:25that assembly leadership." First, who is the president of the party to like
00:27:28who those people from those clubs of
00:27:32people generally chose as their representative? So if, does
00:27:35that now mean that party representatives should choose who those clubs of people will choose?
00:27:39And the second thing he said was, "Well, we will then block it, we won't
00:27:42elect that assembly leadership," meaning they will block the canton,
00:27:45they will block the election of their new government,
00:27:48they will block everything that happens in the canton, even
00:27:51budgets, mm, all so that they wouldn't
00:27:55elect delegates to the House of Peoples of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina from
00:27:58Sarajevo Canton. You know what that means, that for the first time...
00:28:03Uh, well, let me put it this way, in the history since the establishment of the canton, Sarajevo
00:28:06Canton would not have its representatives in the House of Peoples
00:28:09of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, because then, after the expiry of
00:28:1330 days, representatives from other cantons would be elected.
00:28:17So, what are they willing to do to get their
00:28:21seats, their positions, not to elect representatives of the citizens of Sarajevo Canton from Sarajevo Canton
00:28:24to the House of Peoples of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, but
00:28:27here, let me just say one more thing.
00:28:31kažem znači.
00:28:34And Mr. Efendić does not know the constitution of the Federation of Bosnia and
00:28:37Herzegovina. Read Article Eight of the Constitution of the Federation of Bosnia
00:28:41and Herzegovina, which clearly states that from every canton, at least
00:28:45one member, minimally one member
00:28:48of Bosniaks, Serbs, Croats, and others must be elected, if that person is elected
00:28:51to the Sarajevo Canton Assembly. So, with that blockade, he
00:28:54will gain nothing, it will fall, meaning some House of
00:28:58Peoples will be formed up there without representatives from Sarajevo
00:29:01Canton, and the first appeal to the Constitutional Court, that House of Peoples that was
00:29:04formed will fall at the Constitutional Court, and you know what happens next?
00:29:08This means that neither a federal government can be formed,
00:29:12this federal government will remain in a technical mandate until those issues are
00:29:15resolved, but I believe that such an approach is very dangerous,
00:29:19meaning undermining the constitution and
00:29:21the will of the people who
00:29:25by that constitution gained the right to elect their representatives,
00:29:28but let's hypothetically assume that uh the assembly confirms.
00:29:32So, those who are elected by the clubs of the people
00:29:35in the Sarajevo Canton Assembly, how does the
00:29:38procedure then go, who actually proposes the mandatary,
00:29:42the mandatary, so when those four in
00:29:45the assembly leadership are elected, they decide among themselves who will be the chairman
00:29:48by consensus or uh, it says in the constitution
00:29:51they decide, so it doesn't say by consensus, meaning whoever has the majority
00:29:55will elect one of those four will elect
00:29:58mm the president, or the new chairman of the Canton Assembly,
00:30:02and that chairman of the Canton Assembly
00:30:05of Sarajevo mm should give
00:30:09the mandate, with consultations with other
00:30:12members of that leadership, to whoever brings 18
00:30:15signatures of representatives, that is, the majority that
00:30:19proves those signatures to prove they have a majority in
00:30:23the Sarajevo Canton Assembly, in this case those three clubs
00:30:26of representatives who have now come out saying they have those 18
00:30:30votes. So... the Constitution clearly
00:30:33also states, meaning
00:30:36the chairman gives the mandate to the mandatary with
00:30:39consultations with his
00:30:42deputies, that's what it says, period, it says nothing
00:30:46more, also in the assembly's rules of procedure, but you know what that means, those
00:30:50consultations, what do consultations mean?