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00:00:50I want to inform you that based on
00:00:53a stratified
00:00:56sample, it is therefore clear...
00:01:00that we lost
00:01:02absolutely impossible under these elections, the student-blockade list won,
00:01:04what are your impressions, it means
00:01:13freedom, free,
00:01:16come on, country, how do we know
00:01:20to preserve it,
00:01:22honey, one,
00:01:30kiss you, thank you for
00:01:34timely informing us all
00:01:36these years, especially during the protests that lasted
00:01:40the last two years in Serbia. Tonight
00:01:43we celebrate victory, tomorrow we build the future. Great support
00:01:46for our television tonight from all gathered citizens, as
00:01:50they now admitted, many were worried, but
00:01:54they say, no longer, so that is one of the messages
00:01:56we convey. Here in front of the student list headquarters,
00:02:00Usame Zukorlić's list, the Movement for
00:02:16Unification, managed to enter parliament and will have one parliamentary
00:02:20seat, however, what is interesting is that this list is the third
00:02:24strongest in the repeated elections at six polling stations in
00:02:27Aleksinac. Milan Stojanović is at this place,
00:02:30Milan, how did such a large number of votes for
00:02:34the SPP list in Aleksinac come about?
00:02:36Well, inexplicable for many,
00:02:40that's why we are here today and I immediately pass
00:02:44that question to Dušan Ostojić, who was a member, he is still a member
00:02:48of the election commission, here in several places
00:02:51the voting was repeated on Sunday, are you surprised
00:02:54how many votes exactly
00:02:57were for this list? Was it in earlier election
00:03:00processes, in that village where it all
00:03:04happened, votes for minority lists? Yes, that's why this case is very
00:03:07interesting, it means from 1990
00:03:11when multi-party elections in Serbia started, never has any
00:03:15minority party of Bosniaks received
00:03:18a single vote in that place, it means in the last elections it was zero
00:03:22votes, right? In these repeated
00:03:26ones, 53 votes for...
00:03:30this Bosniak party, why do we suspect there were
00:03:33problems? For the simple reason that
00:03:36Bosniaks had a very small number of votes they
00:03:40needed to win, some 150 votes, in order for their
00:03:43second MP to enter parliament, where could they
00:03:47do that? Only in places where elections were repeated, where were elections
00:03:51repeated the most? In the municipality
00:03:53the main tools of work, but of Aleksinac, and what did they use? They used the opportunity
00:03:56to find a mechanism in one village to get their
00:04:0053 votes. What I have to say as a representative of the election commission,
00:04:03on the very election day, everything was
00:04:07okay there, everything we noticed, we reported, even
00:04:10the president of the election commission called the police, the police went to
00:04:14the scene, intervened, at the polling station itself, meaning inside
00:04:18the place where voting took place, there were no problems, but we have
00:04:21the following information: that certain people in that
00:04:25village were cruising all day, offering
00:04:28two, three, four or 500 dinars for a vote. That's how
00:04:32they did it, meaning they met certain people, offered them
00:04:36money. These are all unverified stories
00:04:39for now that we received from people on the ground who
00:04:43for security reasons are not willing to give such testimony
00:04:47to the police,
00:04:49feet, feeling of unverified or officially unconfirmed, because there is an important difference, that's right.
00:04:52officially unconfirmed, meaning, and verified in the sense, you know
00:04:56what, we are a small community where we all know each other, each of us...
00:05:00knows whom, how, and how much he can trust. Our choices
00:05:03are completely accurate, meaning let's be honest right away, with the fact that
00:05:07people are in a position of not taking sides, so what
00:05:10they tell us they don't want to... say in official institutions, and now you
00:05:14are connecting that with voting for
00:05:17Usame Zukorlić's list, exactly , he somewhere
00:05:21stated, I think I saw, that they do not
00:05:24agree with it, even if someone in Aleksinac was
00:05:27buying votes, that they will sanction it.
00:05:31How do you interpret that? Well, listen, I completely
00:05:35understand him, you know, when you catch a man who has stolen milk, he
00:05:38certainly won't say that, will he? He will always, simply, not only
00:05:42him, but everyone in such a situation will form a diplomatic
00:05:45story, a story to distance himself from all of that, but
00:05:49he did not submit an initiative to renounce those votes, did he?
00:05:53But he said, okay, maybe there were some problems, we will
00:05:56investigate all of that, but I accept those votes that people gave
00:06:00us, and I accept the second
00:06:04MP in the republican parliament, right? We'll see what
00:06:08happens next, whether he will accept, who will renounce what,
00:06:11whether Du... Ostović, thank you very much from
00:06:14Aleksinac, a member of the election commission in this
00:06:18place where, as you heard, there was a repeat in several
00:06:21polling stations.
00:06:24Thank you, Milan, Milan Stojanović reported from
00:06:26Aleksinac.
00:06:33And we repeat the news from the beginning of the show, Business in close to the Serbian Progressive
00:06:36Party, the owner of Alta Bank, Davor Macura, was arrested
00:06:40last night, Nova ere learns.
00:06:42Previously, the police had been searching the premises of that bank for more than 30 hours
00:06:46since Saturday, which the Executive Board of the National Bank of Serbia
00:06:50revoked the operating license on Saturday morning and declared its
00:06:54bankruptcy. More on that in the continuation
00:06:57with Milan Ćulibrk, editor of the Economy section of Nedeljnik
00:07:00Radar, so here's just a brief comment
00:07:04on this news, we are still waiting for its confirmation.
00:07:07Radar and you have written about this on several
00:07:11occasions, how... Macura came from
00:07:14one STR to managing
00:07:17an entire financial
00:07:20empire.
00:07:22Well, yes, and the consequence of that was Mr. Macura's lawsuit
00:07:25that we had damaged his business reputation,
00:07:29didn't we? Now we see that in five days he managed to collapse a bank
00:07:33that boasted that it was the fastest growing in
00:07:36Serbia. Uh, the point is that
00:07:39Mr. Macura's business success somehow...
00:07:42Party coming to power
00:07:46sometime in 2012, especially in the last 10 years
00:07:50when he really managed to build a business empire
00:07:53in a relatively short time, which in the West
00:07:56would take about 100 years, at least. Uh,
00:08:00the point is that we, on several occasions,
00:08:03both my colleague Nataša Korlat and the rest of us from Radar,
00:08:07wrote articles where based on
00:08:10official documents, we found data that the state
00:08:14even subsidized him in all his business
00:08:17ventures. He completed many
00:08:20deals thanks to
00:08:24some privileges, let's not forget that he
00:08:27bought IMT right before the law was changed
00:08:31that would allow the conversion
00:08:33of land of failed factories
00:08:37into urban construction land with plans to build hundreds
00:08:40of thousands of square meters of residential
00:08:44buildings on that site. And when you multiply that by the average price of 3.5 or
00:08:484,000 euros, we come to the fact that these projects were
00:08:51planned at a value of some 600 to 700 million
00:08:55euros. Unfortunately, this is not the first
00:08:58time. We have seen something similar before, it happened
00:09:02after the defeat of the previous government in 2012,
00:09:06when Mr. Bogićević's business empire
00:09:10also collapsed overnight, complete with all
00:09:13dependent companies. I just fear that this with Alta
00:09:17Bank is just the beginning,
00:09:20uh, because the Alta group includes other companies
00:09:24that were directly connected to Alta Bank and depended
00:09:27on it. And here's just one more question before
00:09:31we leave you to work, there's a lot
00:09:34of work for Radar these days, was it then
00:09:37expected that the first, let's say, financial
00:09:41victim of the change of government would be this
00:09:43group? Well, frankly, I'm not surprised, I'm only surprised
00:09:47by the speed with which it all happened, on the one hand,
00:09:51on the other hand, I'm surprised that the National Bank didn't react
00:09:54much faster, so already after the election night, although
00:09:58there were some signals that the bank started emptying, that
00:10:02some people withdrew money from
00:10:05their accounts even before the elections, before Sunday, just in case, as they say, to
00:10:09put it somewhere safe. And... especially
00:10:13those rumors intensified on Tuesday,
00:10:17we have a subsequent announcement from the Higher Public Prosecutor's Office that already on Tuesday
00:10:20it ordered the National Bank to investigate what was
00:10:24actually happening to that bank, and now the
00:10:27key question arises, who managed in those five days until
00:10:30the night between Friday and Saturday, when the Executive Board of the National
00:10:34Bank decided to revoke Alta Bank's operating license, who managed
00:10:38to withdraw that money? I can't claim anything, but
00:10:41I dare to bet that it was done by
00:10:45privileged businessmen, very
00:10:48close to the top of the Serbian Progressive Party and the former
00:10:52state leadership, so that...
00:10:55Unfortunately, many public and state enterprises that
00:10:58were ordered by the authorities to
00:11:02deposit their money there, were not able to withdraw it.
00:11:05So there were hundreds of millions of euros
00:11:08of state money from state enterprises, and the question is
00:11:12what will happen to that in the end when, because now everything depends on
00:11:15how the bankruptcy will end. Let's not forget that the
00:11:19bankruptcy of those four failed banks that were closed back in
00:11:232002 is still not
00:11:25finished, so this can drag on.
00:11:29I just hope that the new government, when it is established, will manage to
00:11:32speed up that bankruptcy procedure so that
00:11:36creditors who
00:11:39have money there will be able to at least partially recover
00:11:42it. I don't believe that many citizens kept their money there
00:11:46because I don't see
00:11:49a motive for that, except that that bank offered slightly higher interest rates on
00:11:53savings than all others, but when someone
00:11:56offers you something more than everyone else, that is somewhere a signal
00:12:00for you to ask yourself why this is being done.
00:12:03Uh, I believe that all of this collapsed so quickly
00:12:07because neither Mr. Macura nor the people
00:12:10with whom he closely cooperated and who enabled him to build
00:12:14that business empire, believed that on October 25th
00:12:17they would win the elections and that they would be able to behave as before
00:12:21for another four years.
00:12:24Thank you very much. For this first comment, our colleague Milan
00:12:27Ćulibrk, editor of
00:12:28Radar, was here.
00:12:32And what about the security sector now? Can those who broke the law and put the service of one
00:12:35party be trusted now to act in accordance with the law?
00:12:39I am discussing this with Predrag Petrović from the Belgrade Centre for Security Policy.
00:12:43Good day, thank you, thank you for being here. In the past
00:12:47few days since the election results, the topic has been raised.
00:12:50Can we trust not only the judiciary, but first
00:12:54and foremost, uh,
00:12:57people from the security sector to suddenly start acting according to
00:13:01the law? Yes, well, we cannot trust these people who are currently in
00:13:04leading positions, that's for sure, because they
00:13:08came on a
00:13:10super-loyalist wave, where
00:13:14loyalists were replaced by people who were even
00:13:18more loyal than the previous ones. They proved
00:13:21their loyalty precisely by being willing to act according to
00:13:25political will, not in accordance with the law
00:13:28and rules of the profession. They did it in an
00:13:32open way, so everyone understood, even in front of
00:13:35cameras, they did not hide what they were doing,
00:13:38and Kričak is probably the
00:13:41most famous and best example of
00:13:45this, and his security
00:13:49unit. So we had those scenes where
00:13:52they applied excessive
00:13:56force towards students, we had the case
00:13:59of Nikolina Sinđelić in the
00:14:03garage of the Serbian government. So we have
00:14:06a whole series of such cases that indicate that
00:14:09these people definitely cannot
00:14:12remain in those positions and that we cannot trust
00:14:16them. Yes, but yesterday we had the case where
00:14:19Kričak was arrested based on a complaint
00:14:22from Veselin Milić, not for what you are all
00:14:26talking about. That's right, yes, there were several versions in the public
00:14:29that finally the prosecutor's office started
00:14:32doing its job,
00:14:35then that it's about
00:14:39building bridges to the new authorities
00:14:43by the Higher Public Prosecutor's Office
00:14:46in Belgrade, to the fact that it was actually Veselin Milić's
00:14:50revenge for what Kričak did, or rather what
00:14:54he tried to do by fabricating evidence to accuse
00:14:57him of, I believe, complicity
00:14:59in murder. So, but I think
00:15:03the truth is always somewhere in the middle, but what
00:15:06is certainly true, and history teaches
00:15:10us, is that old structures always try to
00:15:13build bridges to new authorities
00:15:17in order to preserve their positions
00:15:20or to facilitate their departure. That
00:15:24departure would be much easier, so that's the famous
00:15:27golden parachute, as they say,
00:15:31but what is important for us is to
00:15:34look at the consequences, so the consequences of this are
00:15:37that the ball started to unravel, that
00:15:41people who until yesterday were associates
00:15:44of super-loyalists are forced to arrest them because they simply
00:15:48saw that that game, that system of informal
00:15:51power, had started to fragment,
00:15:55that it started to tear apart, to break down.
00:16:00in that, but it is important, of course, to know that
00:16:04this is only the beginning, that we shouldn't
00:16:07relax. Yes, is this how you see this
00:16:11case of Alta Bank, from the reaction of the vice-governor
00:16:15to this news which has not yet been confirmed by state
00:16:19authorities, published by our colleagues from Nova, that Macura has been arrested?
00:16:22Absolutely yes, because Alta Bank has become a symbol
00:16:26of enormous acquisition
00:16:29of financial power in an unlawful way.
00:16:33It grew overnight into a business
00:16:36financial empire, which was
00:16:39market conditions, but only with various
00:16:42machinations, with massive backing from the political
00:16:45leadership, and when that political umbrella disappeared, everything started
00:16:49to collapse. Again,
00:16:51the previous government, the SNS government, was so
00:16:55comfortable that they simply didn't
00:16:58hide what they were doing in the last
00:17:02few years, how they were acting
00:17:05unlawfully, so... "they left behind
00:17:09a pile of evidence that, among others, your
00:17:12colleagues, investigative journalists from Bradar, KRIK,
00:17:16CIN recorded, so the prosecution
00:17:19truly has the opportunity to act solely based
00:17:22on those findings of investigative journalists,
00:17:26that now the police is what is seen
00:17:30in everyday
00:17:33life, and what about the Security Information Agency,
00:17:37which..." well, nothing is happening there, we don't hear
00:17:40of any changes there, nor that anyone has decided
00:17:44to work according to the law there. Yes, well,
00:17:47the Security Information Agency, if you look at its track record,
00:17:51if you look from the perspective, that is, of what is written in the law
00:17:54on BIA, it has indeed acted unprofessionally,
00:17:58unlawfully, they branded the vast majority
00:18:02of citizens as uh, as
00:18:05actors of a colored revolution, on the day
00:18:08it was in that promotional spot, they called students
00:18:11actors of destructiveness who are working on
00:18:14a colored revolution as
00:18:17the biggest uh,
00:18:20most complex security challenge for
00:18:23the agency. So imagine what kind of assessments this
00:18:26agency uh gives when it has
00:18:30completely missed the mark to
00:18:32that extent, even from this perspective,
00:18:35that is, the law on BIA, but even from
00:18:38the perspective of the political power of the SNS,
00:18:42so its task has clearly become the protection of that
00:18:45power, but even in that task they failed, meaning you have
00:18:49a failure of the agency in whatever way
00:18:52you look at it, either from the perspective of the SNS, or from
00:18:55the perspective of citizens,
00:18:58citizens of Serbia. So that track record actually tells us that even if
00:19:02that agency didn't exist, it wouldn't be a big loss, and
00:19:06that actually... its work so far has only
00:19:09caused more damage than good, so it's
00:19:12best that serious suspicions also arise that the Security
00:19:16Information Agency unlawfully
00:19:18wiretaps citizens, so yes, but that has become
00:19:22the modus operandi of the Security Information
00:19:25Agency. Secret surveillance of communication is one of
00:19:30for the purpose of protecting national security,
00:19:33constitutional order, not persecution of citizens. When you
00:19:37dismantle all control mechanisms and oversight, then
00:19:41you can do whatever you want, just as the government
00:19:44did in this case of Alta Bank and in other cases, it clearly
00:19:48acted that way, they felt extremely
00:19:51comfortable, and so did the Security Information Agency,
00:19:55and it was actually one of the important
00:19:59mainstays of the SNS government
00:20:02in preserving
00:20:05its power. and its power, but in
00:20:09protecting its very, very
00:20:12problematic affairs and its
00:20:15business empire, so
00:20:18I think the prevailing opinion is that
00:20:21that agency needs to be disbanded
00:20:24and started from scratch,
00:20:28uh, of course, when I say from scratch, that means we also have the Military Security Agency,
00:20:32and we shouldn't forget it, because it also sank into numerous
00:20:35abuses. Especially towards employees
00:20:39in the Ministry of Defense and the Serbian
00:20:42army, but also towards Serbian citizens and civilians. Do
00:20:46you think that was perhaps a mistake on October 5th, that these services were not
00:20:50disbanded, but creating, creating
00:20:52completely, yes, yes, that's right, but in that context, so we had
00:20:56two factors: that the incoming government
00:20:59built informal pacts with people
00:21:03and services to avoid bloodshed, that's one
00:21:06main factor, and the other factor is that directed crises
00:21:10immediately started after
00:21:13DOS came to
00:21:17power, where the services tried to show that
00:21:20without them there is no stability and security,
00:21:24and therefore when the new legal
00:21:27framework was adopted, within the Security Information
00:21:30Agency, the monopoly over secret
00:21:33surveillance of communications was preserved,
00:21:36the so-called monitoring center retained all police
00:21:39powers, including the right
00:21:42to detain and arrest. So it retained
00:21:45the core of its power from state
00:21:49security, that was never
00:21:53broken, which then
00:21:56made it very attractive to politicians
00:21:59and for abuses. Just to conclude, is there now a chance for the security
00:22:03sector to be built on some healthy foundations, to be reformed, to be
00:22:07built on some healthy foundations so that we don't
00:22:10periodically experience such things? Yes,
00:22:13there are people who left the
00:22:17security sector and people who were marginalized
00:22:20in that sector and who can really
00:22:24take over the leadership of that
00:22:28security apparatus. It is necessary
00:22:31for this to happen if we really want to do something
00:22:34in terms of reform, so it is necessary to do it immediately and appoint
00:22:38new leaders from top to
00:22:41bottom who would then be the engine of change, meaning people
00:22:44of integrity and expertise who would strictly
00:22:48ensure that the law is changed in such a way as to create an
00:22:51environment that would practically have a de facto
00:22:55vetting effect on those who came there to break the law and to
00:22:58use their badge as cover for their
00:23:02affairs, then of course to go further in the deep reform
00:23:06of human resources, structures, forming
00:23:09a prosecutorial police that would then work to break up those
00:23:12informal power structures that have completely permeated not
00:23:16only the security apparatus but all state institutions.
00:23:20Reform
00:23:22of the security and intelligence system as a whole, that is, not just
00:23:26one agency, but the entire system and
00:23:30dismantling their strongholds of power. Yes, we will see what happens in
00:23:33the coming period. Thank you very much for this conversation and this analysis. It was Predrag Petrović from
00:23:37the Belgrade Centre for Security
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00:29:52You are watching Njena Studio Live: The owner of Alta Bank, over whom bankruptcy
00:29:55was declared, has been arrested, Nova RS learns.
00:29:59Banking operations in this bank have been suspended. Clients
00:30:03told Novi Magazin that they had not been able to
00:30:07withdraw money since Saturday. This weekend it was said that payment would begin,
00:30:10payment of deposits would begin from 50
00:30:13to 50,000 euros, but the Efektiva association says that
00:30:17the bank will not be able to pay out any deposits.
00:30:21Nenad Nešić is following this story. Nenad, what is the latest
00:30:24information regarding the arrest of Davor Macura, as well
00:30:28as the events around Alta
00:30:29Bank?
00:30:33Well, Tanja, the Ministry of Internal Affairs has not yet officially announced anything regarding
00:30:37the arrest of Davor Macura, the owner of Alta Bank and
00:30:40a businessman close to the Serbian Progressive Party, so we are still
00:30:43referring to these media sources, primarily the Nova
00:30:47RS portal, that he was actually brought in last night,
00:30:50so that is the, let's say, latest information.
00:30:54Among that information is also another one, which concerns the reaction
00:30:58of the police from...