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00:00:00actions in this bank have been suspended, some clients told
00:00:03the new magazine that they could not
00:00:06withdraw money since Saturday. This weekend it was said that payments would start,
00:00:10deposits up to 50,
00:00:1350,000 euros will start to be paid out, but the Efektiva association says that
00:00:17the bank will not be able to pay out any deposits.
00:00:21Nenad Nesic is following this story. Nenad, what is the latest
00:00:24information regarding the arrest of Davor Macura, as well
00:00:27as the events surrounding Alta Bank?
00:00:33Well, Tanja, the Ministry of Internal Affairs has not yet officially commented on
00:00:36the arrest of Davor Macura, the owner of Alta Bank and
00:00:39a businessman close to the Serbian Progressive Party. So, we are still
00:00:43referring to these media sources, primarily the Nova
00:00:47RS portal, that he was actually detained last night.
00:00:50So, that's the, let's say, latest information.
00:00:54Among that information there is another one, which concerns the reaction
00:00:58of the police, or the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which for some 30 hours
00:01:01searched the premises of Alta Bank. So, these are so far
00:01:05the only information we have. We know that the
00:01:08whole story was in a way opened on Tuesday, October 27th,
00:01:12after the elections, when the Prosecutor's Office for Organized
00:01:15Crime requested from
00:01:18latest, it will be necessary to work on the National Bank of Serbia information regarding the transfer of money from Alta Bank
00:01:22abroad. So, we can assume that this
00:01:26arrest came at the order of the Prosecutor's Office for Organized Crime, but that is, of course,
00:01:30just an assumption. At this moment, N1 television is trying
00:01:33to find out whether it was actually done at
00:01:37the order of, this prosecutor's office. These are some
00:01:40basic information regarding the arrest itself. As for the situation in front of
00:01:44Alta Bank, what we can see, Tanja, at this moment,
00:01:47the police are still here with long guns, in a significantly
00:01:51smaller number than it was on Saturday when
00:01:54the operating license of this bank was revoked, but they are still present here.
00:01:58The bank, of course, is closed. And what is interesting, our
00:02:03essentially frozen, and they will return, experience just before the broadcast was a Russian citizen who, when he saw
00:02:07the camera, the microphone, approached us here. The man actually came to
00:02:10withdraw his deposit, so we explained to him that at this
00:02:14moment the bank is operating, he says it's not a large sum of
00:02:18money, but he doesn't understand what he needs to do and how to get
00:02:21his money. We know that Alta Bank is one of the few
00:02:25that decided, if I can put it that way, decided, in quotation marks,
00:02:29to accept money... both Russian, Russian citizens, both
00:02:32individuals and legal entities. Just
00:02:35to tie into that deposit of up to 50,000 euros,
00:02:39as you mentioned in the announcement, that
00:02:42is now a process that will, of course, take time. The most important thing to say,
00:02:46that's what they're saying from Efektiva, there's no
00:02:48need for citizens to come to Alta Bank addresses,
00:02:52simply the bank is operating, as of today it is in bankruptcy and they won't be able
00:02:56to withdraw money here. So now everything is transferred to the Deposit Insurance
00:02:59Agency. It is responsible for paying all citizens, or
00:03:03all persons who had money in this bank, that
00:03:07deposit of up to 50,000 euros. How will the agency
00:03:10do that? Well, through some other bank. So, we have to wait for a certain
00:03:14amount of time for the Deposit Insurance Agency to announce which
00:03:18bank it will be, so through which bank the payment of that
00:03:21money will go. And what about those who have more than 50,000
00:03:24euros in their account? They will definitely have to wait for that
00:03:28money, although numerous experts warn, given
00:03:32the situation in Alta Bank, that it will probably be necessary, I repeat,
00:03:35conditionally speaking, in quotation marks, assistance from the republican
00:03:39budget to compensate that money. So, that's
00:03:42the current situation regarding Alta Bank. Of course, the big
00:03:46and open question of the National Bank of Serbia's reaction
00:03:49remains: did the NBS know much earlier about
00:03:53what was happening in this bank, how was that, I'll say
00:03:57it layman's terms, bad financial management, money
00:04:00extraction, only noticed after the elections? Did
00:04:03Governor Jorgovanka Tabaković knowingly allow
00:04:07Davor Macura to take money out of the bank abroad?
00:04:10Was the reaction of the National Bank of Serbia late, and were the vice-governors,
00:04:14all four of them, who reacted with a statement,
00:04:17after which the license to operate this bank was revoked, were
00:04:21they also aware earlier of the true state of affairs in this
00:04:25bank, or did they truly not know? So, these are some questions that
00:04:28will probably, in the coming period, have to be answered.
00:04:32And finally, Tanja, I will also briefly
00:04:35comment on the statement of the former President of the country,
00:04:39Aleksandar Vučić. We know very well that everything was always clear to him,
00:04:42that he commented on every
00:04:45situation from every sphere.
00:04:48the bank itself Now, regarding Alta Bank, last night, his comment
00:04:50was that nothing was clear to him, or that the situation here, as he
00:04:54said, is very complex and that he did not fully understand
00:04:57what it was about when the bank case is in question.
00:05:01Tanja, thank you Nenad, Nenad Nešić
00:05:05is following the situation with Alta Bank today, and
00:05:08things are becoming clearer and clearer. Davor Macura,
00:05:11a businessman close to the Serbian Progressive Party and owner of Alta
00:05:14Bank, which has been declared bankrupt, has been ordered
00:05:18to be detained by the Public Prosecutor's Office for
00:05:21Organized Crime, Nova RS learns. This information
00:05:25was confirmed to Nova by the Spaković law
00:05:28office, which represents Macura. According to Nova's information,
00:05:32Macura was brought in this morning after a search of Alta
00:05:35Bank and the premises he used was carried out. The search has been going on since
00:05:39Saturday, by order of the Public Prosecutor's Office for Organized Crime.
00:05:42Macura was served with a detention order this morning
00:05:45for up to 48 hours, and
00:05:49I repeat, this was confirmed to our colleagues from Nova by the Spahović office
00:05:52which represents Macura. We
00:05:55continue to deal with this topic, as you know, on
00:05:59Saturday at 2:25 AM, the National Bank
00:06:02of Serbia announced that it had revoked Alta
00:06:05Bank's operating license. The collapse of Alta Bank has raised questions about the fate
00:06:09of citizens' money, public enterprises, and also
00:06:13the question of why the National Bank did not react earlier. I am discussing
00:06:16all of this with Goran Radosavljević,
00:06:20professor at FEFA. Good day, thank you for being here. Good day. Well, when
00:06:23we arranged this appearance, we didn't expect things to
00:06:26develop at this speed. Let's maybe start with this
00:06:30latest information, that the owner of Alta
00:06:33Bank, according to the information we have,
00:06:36has been arrested and ordered to be detained for 48
00:06:39hours. Yes, I remember I told you that by Monday, it might not even
00:06:43be a topic, given how fast the news is moving. Well, that was
00:06:47somewhat expected, given that the course of events was
00:06:51such that it was suspected that the bank was taking out large amounts of money,
00:06:55which probably affected the
00:06:59revocation of the bank's operating license. What
00:07:02we would now first expect from the National Bank is to issue
00:07:05a detailed statement about the sequence of steps, at what moment
00:07:09they noticed that the bank needed to have its license revoked, and what they were
00:07:13doing at that moment, what steps they took, what they prepared, what they plan to do next.
00:07:17We don't know that yet, except that I
00:07:21remember it was shared on social media that night that the lights were on
00:07:24in the National Bank building, strange at midnight, which later
00:07:28turned out that something was being done, and the fact that at 3:00 AM
00:07:31a decision to revoke the license
00:07:34comes, and a statement from the vice-governors
00:07:38something later, which somehow distances itself
00:07:41from the governor, let's say. You know, you can distance yourself from
00:07:45whoever you want, but if you were a vice-governor in charge of bank control, that was your
00:07:49job. If you didn't do it properly, you'll have to explain to someone why you didn't,
00:07:52you, the governor, and many, many others. What
00:07:56is the key question now is at what moment they found out that there was
00:07:59a problem and what they did at that moment. It's not
00:08:02unusual for me that it happened at midnight, even though it might seem unusual
00:08:05to citizens now, like in a movie, yes, but in essence, they started
00:08:09preparing it in the afternoon. So, the decision to
00:08:13revoke the license was preceded by some other decisions
00:08:16and some other sessions. This was probably done, I assume, to give
00:08:20legal entities that had payment traffic through the bank during the
00:08:24weekend time to redirect payment traffic to some other place, which happened.
00:08:27The payment system reacted immediately the next day, and some other legal entities.
00:08:31So it's not something unusual, it seems to me that something similar was done when it was
00:08:35Agrobank, if I remember correctly. So now it's necessary first for
00:08:39the National Bank to say what it was doing
00:08:42or not doing. The next thing is to come out with a clear
00:08:46analysis of the bank's portfolio. So,
00:08:50how many deposits, how many insured, how many uninsured deposits of citizens, how many
00:08:53deposits of the economy, how many deposits of public enterprises, budget
00:08:57funds, and so on, so that it can be simply assessed how much is at risk
00:09:01of something bad happening. After that, the Deposit Insurance
00:09:04Agency needs to plan what to do next. As far as I understand, bankruptcy
00:09:08has not yet been formally initiated, because the court needs to make
00:09:12a decision on that. At least, according to the last information I saw, and it's probably waiting
00:09:15a bit for some next steps to be prepared, because then only after
00:09:19that can citizens, after that the agency
00:09:22will come out with information about when and in what
00:09:25way citizens can withdraw their insured deposits. It shouldn't be a problem,
00:09:29given that the agency currently has significant
00:09:32funds, if I remember correctly, over a billion, a billion euros, or
00:09:35some 3-400 million, 1.4
00:09:38billion in funds, which are probably sufficient to cover insured deposits
00:09:42in this bank, so there are no problems from that side, but it's important to see
00:09:46the state of the bank, of course, what the
00:09:49bank has, what the deposits in the bank are, what the bank's assets are, and
00:09:53what can be recovered in the bankruptcy process and what
00:09:56probably won't. Now, let's turn to
00:10:00and the way it operated. A moment ago we were talking to
00:10:04our colleague Milan Ćulibrk, he reminded us of the meteoric
00:10:07success of Mr. Macura, from a simple employee to
00:10:11a financial empire. But let's see what Alta
00:10:15Bank was used for. Well, those are
00:10:17all questions that some investigative bodies will have to deal with.
00:10:21Why did that bank, for example, have the account of
00:10:25EPS, the account of Informatika from
00:10:28Novi Sad, the account of Parking Servis?
00:10:31I will now allow myself to, since I also have lawsuits from
00:10:35Alta Bank, claiming that my statements
00:10:38influenced the decline of the bank's reputation,
00:10:42by saying that there was a risk of cooperation with this bank. So, when you hypothetically have
00:10:45a large amount of money that you don't know what to do with because you're extracting it from
00:10:49the budget through rigged public procurements, I mean the people who work in the state, "and
00:10:53what will be talked about in the coming weeks and months, you have to
00:10:57place that money somewhere at some point, and then you need a bank. A bank is the easiest way to place
00:11:01that money. The rise of the bank
00:11:04actually showed that the bank overnight started placing in the region
00:11:08that it is also in Montenegro, in Macedonia, in some
00:11:11other places. Then at the same time, it's not enough just to
00:11:15be solvent, you need to be liquid. So then the state
00:11:18decided to transfer the operations of
00:11:21public enterprises there, so we started paying for electricity, communal
00:11:25services, a large number of private
00:11:28companies also transferred their payment traffic there for reasons known
00:11:31only to them. So then on one hand they had good liquidity, and I
00:11:35assume that since that liquidity was not threatened by anything, at least not until
00:11:39that last moment, that the reason is not liquidity, but the reason is that
00:11:43someone started withdrawing those large amounts of money,
00:11:47which will probably turn out to be true, and that the bank was
00:11:50threatening to become insolvent, because in the short term it might be liquid, but it can't
00:11:53pay its obligations in the medium
00:11:56term. So we can only assume that the
00:11:59bank served for various investment
00:12:02schemes. The bank in the meantime became the owner of
00:12:06a retail chain, which is again a source of
00:12:09liquidity, a large amount of cash through which a large amount of cash passes and
00:12:13from which a large amount of cash comes. And
00:12:16I think one of the items that is now important,
00:12:20I also read this morning that some investment funds invested and
00:12:24held funds there. Those funds are now
00:12:28their unit value will fall, and so on and so forth.
00:12:31The key now is to analyze
00:12:35and try to minimize
00:12:38the damage, and there will certainly be some damage. Now, what would
00:12:42be the minimum damage and what would
00:12:45be the worst possible scenario? Well,
00:12:48the minimal damage would be if the bank
00:12:52has enough deposits to return deposits to all
00:12:55clients, first individuals, then
00:12:59legal entities. The agency will
00:13:02recover what it paid out in
00:13:06guaranteed deposits through the sale of
00:13:09some assets or what remains from the bankruptcy estate, so that it can also be collected.
00:13:13So, that shouldn't be a problem. That
00:13:16would be an ideal scenario, that companies like
00:13:20Mercator, Roda, Idea, some
00:13:23other related parties that were in that system, that those
00:13:27people don't lose their jobs, that someone either takes it over or buys it, so they continue to work,
00:13:30that it doesn't affect their liquidity and solvency, and
00:13:34that would be the smallest possible damage. Of course, we can
00:13:38only imagine great damage. Fortunately, the bank is not systemic and will not
00:13:42endanger the financial sector itself, but it will shake
00:13:45some trust in the banking system. We don't know what that can cause. On the other hand, it will shake
00:13:49it much more, and that's why I say that the first thing the National Bank should do now is to come out and
00:13:53say what we did and what we plan to do, because
00:13:56now, you know, up until a week, 10, 15 days ago,
00:14:00on Monday or Tuesday, the National Bank, i.e., the governor, came out
00:14:03with a statement saying the bank is great, you don't have to worry, and three days later the license
00:14:07was revoked. So, restoring trust in the institution, that actually
00:14:10shows how important it is, especially for the National Bank to be an independent institution,
00:14:14that there is no one who can call the governor or vice-governor
00:14:18for bank control and say, "Don't control that bank," because it's really
00:14:21hard for me to imagine that the problems arose overnight. Mhm.
00:14:25So, some problems existed, those problems were kept
00:14:28in a way that they would not explode,
00:14:31but the rise and
00:14:35growth of such a bank overnight
00:14:38is interesting. 3% market share is not insignificant in Serbia.
00:14:42Yes, but it is not
00:14:44decisive. The banking sector,
00:14:47apart from this situation, seems quite stable.
00:14:51There are many foreign banks that are quite stable
00:14:54and operate stably here, which this will not affect, I assume. Yes, I
00:14:58am
00:14:59freely
00:15:02sure that it will not affect the banking sector, but it did
00:15:06send a message, and you know, whoever
00:15:09has been bitten by a snake fears a lizard.
00:15:13We have survived inflation here, and we have survived bank failures and bank closures
00:15:17at the beginning of 2000, and people here are much more sensitive than if this had happened in some
00:15:20other country in Europe where it's simply a market process, a bank closes, another
00:15:24one arises or... Well, banks close here every time the government changes,
00:15:28some more, some less. It seems it
00:15:31is so, but the problem is not with bank closures, the problem is with
00:15:35control. So you have to establish control, not only in the financial
00:15:38sector, but in other segments, so that the institution that deals with control, when the
00:15:42competition commission comes out and says there is no concentration, you believe it. We
00:15:45don't believe it now, and it usually turns out we were right because we didn't believe it.
00:15:49So, restoring trust in institutions will be a process that
00:15:53the new government will have to work hard on. Can that
00:15:56trust be restored? This is the second time for those older
00:15:59people who remember that we are building institutions, we are trying
00:16:03to build trust, I mean those who
00:16:06remember
00:16:152000, and then now this is somewhere the third time.
00:16:19And it can, of course.
00:16:23Essentially, I have been saying all along that institutions
00:16:26exist here, not that they don't exist. Institutions here exist, they were captured, and when you
00:16:30let them go, it still hasn't changed. Some institutions have started doing their
00:16:34job, both the prosecution and the police and the central bank, some other institutions.
00:16:38So, let institutions do their job, they will know how to
00:16:41do it, and appoint leadership that will not call them to do something that
00:16:45would jeopardize anyone's interests. So, the interest of the state is in the first place,
00:16:49then everything else. So I think that trust
00:16:53will probably be restored
00:16:56it, but if institutions are given certain freedom, they will do their
00:16:59job. I believe that there are people everywhere in the state who know how to do their job.
00:17:03The rest, yes, this is about a bank that was close to
00:17:06the authorities. What about state
00:17:10enterprises, let's call them that, who played a key
00:17:14role for the outgoing government, that is, Telekom. We heard
00:17:17representatives of the student list a few days ago in Pionirski Park
00:17:21publicly on Radio Television of Serbia demanded
00:17:24the resignation of the director of Telekom. I
00:17:28think resignations are the minimum those people
00:17:31can do, and I hope some bodies will
00:17:35deal with the investments of state
00:17:38enterprises, especially Telekom, in the last ten
00:17:41years. We have some extremely paradoxical things where
00:17:44clients were bought at ten times and
00:17:48multiple times higher prices than the market price. Where did that money
00:17:52go, how was it invested? Those are many questions. I think
00:17:55that the key thing
00:17:59is not to take a single step. People are responsible, companies
00:18:02are not responsible. The company will continue to exist and must
00:18:06continue to exist. And the company employs many people, people get paid,
00:18:10live from it and so on, but those who were responsible
00:18:13for either bad management or, you know,
00:18:16they often say here, "Oh, our salaries have increased." Well,
00:18:20yes, but maybe in some other conditions they could have increased three times as much. So what is
00:18:23the lost profit for the state, the opportunity cost that citizens here
00:18:27lost, how should that Telekom have looked today, how should the media space look? So
00:18:31these are all things that institutions will deal with, but
00:18:34essentially someone made a decision, "Transfer
00:18:38accounts to Alta Bank." So it didn't just happen. Was that decision made
00:18:42by conducting a public tender and selecting
00:18:44the best bidder, or not? If not, the one who didn't do it
00:18:48must be held accountable. Yes, Telekom
00:18:51largely lived in that in those circles
00:18:55of borrowing. What will happen to that now? The key
00:18:58thing is how they spent that money. If it turns out that
00:19:02they, like the state, borrowed money and built a stadium, we all know that
00:19:06that stadium will not in the future bring back funds to the budget.
00:19:09And just as the Arena cannot sustain itself, the Belgrade Arena, probably the
00:19:13stadium will not be able to either. So, how did they invest the funds in
00:19:16something that will not be able to return profit to Telekom in the coming years? I don't know that at this
00:19:20moment, I haven't done an analysis of Telekom. The last time we did an analysis, it
00:19:24was on shaky ground.
00:19:26And if the state support stops in the way it has had so far,
00:19:30meaning returning to market flows, that could be
00:19:33a risk for the company. If the funds were invested in something that can return
00:19:37profit in the future, we know they were invested in Informer, various other
00:19:41media. Yes, that is almost
00:19:45certainly something that will not benefit the company. If that was
00:19:48invested, that could really jeopardize
00:19:51the company's operations. Ultimately, today we must keep in mind
00:19:55that if payments are made, taxpayers will pay for everything, because
00:19:58the state will take it from the budget and compensate its enterprises, as it
00:20:02once did. And I heard here now that the state should not pay
00:20:06more than it must by law. These are insured deposits, because
00:20:10after all, there were some private individuals
00:20:13in that bank. On the other hand, I hope that the bank's
00:20:16funds will be sufficient to cover it. Here
00:20:19it's no longer just about the bank, it's about the whole system. The money went somewhere,
00:20:23and that property should be recoverable,
00:20:26I hope most of it. So there must be
00:20:29accountability, and finally, when
00:20:33the state sector invests in something, it should
00:20:36be in the interest of citizens. Then a new
00:20:39question arises: should the state be the owner of
00:20:42the economy and companies that can operate in the market under certain circumstances,
00:20:46and in what direction should it interfere? We have examples in the region where
00:20:50some companies are state-owned but function as if they were
00:20:54private. So it's possible, but that's always been
00:20:58difficult in these areas. That's a topic for
00:21:01some closer, let's say, future.
00:21:05Now, we are dealing with these things that are happening immediately after the change
00:21:08of government. Thank you very much for this conversation. It was Goran Radosavljević,
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00:27:25page of the so-called non-governmental organization Center for Social
00:27:29Stability, from which the government led propaganda
00:27:32actions for a long time before the elections, disappeared from the internet after the elections. What did
00:27:36journalists from Novi Sad find out about this mystery, is it
00:27:40possible to reconstruct who the associates of that
00:27:43organization were, more from Ina
00:27:45Džakula? There is no page on the website of the Center for
00:27:49Social Stability. First, when you tried to
00:27:52enter the site itself, or the site itself,
00:27:56the center did not have that page, that is, that
00:27:59page was displayed so that it said on it
00:28:02that there was no data, but now you can't even open that
00:28:06page, it has been removed, but the internet remembers and
00:28:10an archived version of the site can be found, and the
00:28:13journalist of portal 021, who is my guest
00:28:16today, actually reached that archived version. Marija is with us, first
00:28:20of all, good day and thank you for speaking for N1 television, you actually
00:28:24found out, days after the elections, that
00:28:26the page with associates was removed from the site, i.e. from the site of the Center for
00:28:30Social Stability,
00:28:32so what did you find and how does it look to you at this
00:28:36very moment? Yes, I
00:28:39can't claim now when the page exactly
00:28:42disappeared, we noticed a few days
00:28:45after the elections that the page was gone, that the page was not
00:28:48found, now that it was generally deleted,
00:28:51however, the good and at the same time bad thing about the internet
00:28:55is that the internet remembers everything, so with the help of the
00:28:59Wayback Machine platform we were able to find.
00:29:03We have an archived version of that
00:29:06page and the website of the Center for Social Stability, so we see who
00:29:10those associates were who were otherwise in the previous
00:29:14known to the public, most of them, there are a total of
00:29:1749 of them, so let's try to explain to the public, who exactly
00:29:21are these people? These are mostly
00:29:24people who were connected in various ways, so to speak, with the
00:29:28then ruling party. I would just like to remind
00:29:31that the Center for Social Stability produced
00:29:34dozens of propaganda
00:29:37films last year, which in a very subtle, direct
00:29:41way criticized
00:29:44those who disagreed with the then government. Besides
00:29:47that, it was precisely that center and people from that center
00:29:51who formally organized last year's
00:29:54rallies against blockades, the so-called civil
00:29:57rallies against the then blockades, most of
00:30:00these people are in some way
00:30:04connected with the then ruling party, some
00:30:07are public officials, some were employed in state
00:30:10institutions, further some in public enterprises and
00:30:14here in local enterprises in Novi Sad, given that
00:30:18the Center for Social Stability itself is from Novi Sad, it was noticed
00:30:21that certain candidates
00:30:24for S, i.e. the lists of SNS, are precisely those associates,
00:30:28so please connect that for us in principle, how do you view the fact that
00:30:32that page disappeared and that on that page
00:30:35the list of associates includes precisely those candidates
00:30:39for parliament from the SNS list? I
00:30:43again cannot claim when the page exactly disappeared, we contacted
00:30:46the director of the Center for Social Stability with
00:30:50questions about when and why the page disappeared, however it was a short
00:30:53conversation where we were told that he knows nothing about
00:30:57that, that he just found out from me.