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00:00:01considering that it is again an attempt to commit the same act and
00:00:06because one touch has the power to considering that he, even though he received a ban on communication with
00:00:09uh, those professors, in a way
00:00:12communicated and exerted a certain type of pressure through those new
00:00:15suspensions, the prosecutor
00:00:18uh, from Bačka Palanka called the professors and
00:00:22asked for that decision on suspensions, they sent
00:00:26of Aleksandar Vučić was that decision to the prosecutor and now we are waiting
00:00:28to see what the decision will be. The prosecutor's, or the court's, so there is
00:00:32a very realistic possibility that the court will make a decision to
00:00:36replace this measure with detention, which the prosecution previously worked on.
00:00:51Live during the day and this
00:00:53topic.
00:00:55Cases of wiretapping carried out by the BIA confirmed abuse.
00:01:00The need for security services, what role did the military
00:01:03security agency play and for what did the previous government use it?
00:01:07The guest of the live show is the former president of the military trade union, Novica
00:01:11Antić, a man who was persecuted and
00:01:14arrested by the former regime.
00:01:17Why didn't the National Bank of Serbia enter the control of Alta Bank earlier,
00:01:21given that liquidity problems lasted for months?
00:01:24At the same time, a huge amount of cash in the vault was visible
00:01:28in public reports years
00:01:30ago.
00:01:33We will be live in the legacy of Milan Mladenović in the National
00:01:36Library of Serbia on the anniversary of the death of the famous frontman
00:01:40of Ekatarina Velika, guitarist, lyricist,
00:01:43composer, and
00:01:44poet.
00:01:47Signed by director Vladimir Orlić, the BIA
00:01:51has, as we already said, wiretapped and monitored
00:01:53students, prosecutors, people from universities, leaders
00:01:57of opposition parties, journalists. The guest of the live show is
00:02:00a man who was persecuted harassed, and arrested during the rule of
00:02:04Aleksandar Vučić, and that after he started talking about numerous
00:02:07irregularities, abuses, but also about the role of the military
00:02:11intelligence agency. In the studio is the former president of the military trade union, Novica
00:02:14Antić. Good day, Mr. Antić, welcome, thank you for taking the time
00:02:17for N1 television. Thank you for the invitation for such an important
00:02:21topic. So, how does this news sound to you,
00:02:25which we published, that the BIA, at the order of Vladimir Orlić,
00:02:28wiretapped journalists, prosecutors,
00:02:32people from universities, how does that sound to you? Well, in the shadow
00:02:36of that news and the news that the leaders of the MUP were arrested,
00:02:38I want to inform the citizens, here, now through your television, that
00:02:42actually the supreme loyalist sits in the military
00:02:46security agency, not in the BIA, even though it
00:02:49was under the control of party official Vladimir Orlić, which
00:02:52should not be the case at all, so the supreme loyalist
00:02:55of the outgoing regime is... the director of the military security
00:02:59agency, General Đuro Jovanić, and his two closest associates,
00:03:03who are also General Žarko Nešić and a retired
00:03:06officer who has been there for years under some special employment
00:03:10contract, named Branislav Kušić, so on what basis do you
00:03:14claim that? I claim that on the basis of all the evidence I have,
00:03:17and not only me, but many people in the defense system
00:03:20who are victims of precisely these three people, so
00:03:24Aleksandar Vučić had Đuro Jovanić as his
00:03:28adjutant back in
00:03:30at which direct 2012, where they became very close and
00:03:34after that, that man was expeditiously, illegally
00:03:37promoted from the rank of major to the rank
00:03:40of major general in just a few years, which is
00:03:44impossible and illegal, so there is numerous evidence for that, it is clearly visible from
00:03:47the law, from documents in which how he advanced in
00:03:51service, and what is most important to say is that at this moment we don't even
00:03:54know if that man is actually officially the director of the military security agency,
00:03:58considering that his mandate September
00:04:012024, pardon,
00:04:0423. After, after that, none of us saw
00:04:07the decree on his new appointment to that position, and
00:04:11the director of the security agency is a public official, so he can be
00:04:15a civilian, i.e. a person who was appointed by a government appointment
00:04:19or a person from the defense system who is an officer, so a person whom the president
00:04:23appointed to that position by his decree, so none of us have seen that
00:04:27new decree to this day that he is the director of security. You have
00:04:31already talked, you have already talked about that, but besides that,
00:04:34besides his dizzying progress in that structure, what else tells
00:04:38you that he is an ultra loyalist?
00:04:41Đuro Jovanić is the number one man of trust for Aleksandar Vučić, and
00:04:45he was chosen for that position precisely because the defense system is by its
00:04:49structure a closed system in which,
00:04:52considering the way that system functions, there is complete
00:04:55servility, so to translate that into civilian
00:04:59vocabulary, loyalty. So, to the system and regulations that apply in the system,
00:05:02which certain people have abused, so this
00:05:06man is the main man in the defense system for the last
00:05:09seven years, he has been staffing that system, appointing
00:05:12officers to the most important
00:05:15positions, he is the man who provided confidential
00:05:19information to Aleksandar Vučić, who ordered the wiretapping
00:05:21of journalists, political activists, opposition
00:05:24activists, who formed, and now I will exclusively tell your
00:05:28show, a bot center that still functions in
00:05:31a military facility that still wiretaps and
00:05:35monitors social networks, monitors activists, political activists, opposition activists,
00:05:38and reports directly to Aleksa. Vučić who has long since ceased to be the president
00:05:43of the republic and automatically has no connection with the army anymore, wait,
00:05:46what kind of bot center, where did you get
00:05:50that information from? In the true sense of a bot center, I
00:05:53am now calling on the competent authorities in the
00:05:57prosecutor's offices to call me
00:05:59to talk to them, to be their associate, to help prosecute
00:06:03Đuro Jovanić, Žarko Nešić, and
00:06:05Branislav Kušić, so I am at this moment
00:06:09calling the Supreme Public Prosecutor of the Public Prosecutor for Organized
00:06:13Crime to take this public whistleblowing of mine as
00:06:16a criminal complaint against these persons and to immediately issue an order for their
00:06:19arrest. Did you file a criminal complaint? I have filed
00:06:23several criminal complaints for which no action has been taken, but
00:06:26if, if they do that, we will
00:06:28then know that the Supreme Public Prosecutor, the Prosecutor for
00:06:32Organized Crime, are not under control and under undue
00:06:36influence of this supreme loyalist. And why do I say that? Because
00:06:40this supreme... loyalist is a man who is actually
00:06:43superior to everyone in the BIA, in the police, in public
00:06:47prosecutor's offices, in the judiciary, so he is the man, or rather his
00:06:50service is the one that controls a large number of public
00:06:54prosecutors, a large number of judges in important judicial
00:06:57positions, people in the MUP, people in the BIA, people in other structures
00:07:01in state administration, such as the tax administration, and so on, so this
00:07:04man is the number one man of trust for Aleksandar Vučić who controls
00:07:08the entire state system. The system in the Republic of Serbia for the last
00:07:12few years, before I ask you what your arguments are for that
00:07:16claim, I have to take you back to this bot center, you say that
00:07:19that bot center is located somewhere within
00:07:23uh the Serbian Army in, that's right, that's it,
00:07:26that bot center is under the direct jurisdiction of the VBA
00:07:29and is located in a military facility, in a military what do the people in the
00:07:33bot center do and are they representatives of the Serbian
00:07:37army, are they, yes, they are people who are uh... in the last
00:07:40few years, in a very mysterious way,
00:07:44a suspicious way, they were admitted to service in the VBA, who have
00:07:48certain specific knowledge in the field of IT,
00:07:52who apply that knowledge and certain equipment that the
00:07:55VBA acquired, again under very suspicious circumstances in the
00:07:59previous few years, because those procurements are not transparent, and that is precisely
00:08:02the essence of the story, so you have a closed system where
00:08:06everything is under a veil of secrecy and you, as the
00:08:10public... you have no possibility to find out what is happening in that system,
00:08:13in that system the most serious crime is being committed, in that system in the last
00:08:17few years, tens of millions
00:08:21of euros were laundered in that system
00:08:24uh uh there were abuses
00:08:27of coercion and repression against members of the army, you just
00:08:30before the elections had a situation in which precisely
00:08:34this Đuro Jovanić and his service issued a binding
00:08:37order to army commanders to hold meetings with their subordinates
00:08:43influence was exerted on their electoral will, i.e. they demanded from
00:08:46their subordinates to vote for the previous government and told them to vote for
00:08:50Serbia, not to vote for these traitors, referring to the student movement
00:08:53and the people who were candidates on the student list,
00:08:57so we had a situation in which uh the army was directly
00:09:01subordinated to one political party, one man, which is contrary to the constitution
00:09:05and the law on defense, so no political party can be
00:09:08that influential in the army. The army is a political organization, that is absolutely
00:09:12allowed, and what is most important to say, why did it happen?
00:09:16Because the army in recent years under the rule of Aleksandar
00:09:20Vučić was absolutely not under civilian democratic control, under which
00:09:23it had to be in accordance with the law. Uh, the protector
00:09:27of citizens, Pašalić, I must say that now, that man has not been heard anywhere in recent days, but that man
00:09:30and one of the institutions of this country who should
00:09:34be exercising civilian democratic control of the army. The last one who did that was
00:09:37Saša Janković, who, remember how he fared when he entered the VBA and tried to
00:09:41control the VBA, he was met with a scandal about military
00:09:45abuses. Of course, of course, you now have every other
00:09:48day some abuse, violations, the grossest violations of human
00:09:52rights. Where is that Pašalić to comment on that? Pašalić came to visit
00:09:56me while I was in detention. I warned him about the abuses committed by
00:09:59the VBA, he did nothing, and he is the one who is legally authorized
00:10:02and empowered to control the VBA itself.
00:10:06VBA members boast about how they control
00:10:09uh Pašalić, so that's one thing, next thing, meaning
00:10:13you have a situation where VBA members
00:10:16kidnap people along with their family members. They bring
00:10:19them to VBA facilities, they pressure them, threaten them,
00:10:23blackmail them, blackmail them with the arrest of their family members who are civilians,
00:10:27so you have a situation, what exact case are you talking about,
00:10:31about several cases, that's right, you have a situation in which at this
00:10:34moment uh, well, I can freely say, 50%
00:10:38of employees in the army have negative security checks and
00:10:42are in some status as employment, anyone who was
00:10:45even one percent suspicious of not supporting the regime
00:10:51harassed, persecuted, abused, reassigned 300 km from
00:10:55his family. The Military Medical Academy was decimated, they sent people,
00:10:58specialists, so surgeons,
00:11:02professionals, uh, to certain military clinics, they sent them,
00:11:05I don't know, from Belgrade to the military hospital in Niš, they temporarily
00:11:09assigned them, meaning they did everything illegally to pressure those
00:11:13people, to abuse them, so you have skilled people,
00:11:16top skilled people, career leaders in the army, it is clearly stipulated how it
00:11:20is done, they all... those people who had even a little integrity,
00:11:23who opposed all of that in the defense system in the
00:11:27most uh uh
00:11:30most terrible ways abused and
00:11:33harassed them and led them to the point where this system is literally
00:11:37torn apart by the VBA, we must ask
00:11:41the question, so someone must, I must also say this, you did not have
00:11:44a parliamentary committee in the previous government, which should
00:11:47have controlled all of that, even though even though the parliamentary
00:11:51committees received, I know that, complaints about the work
00:11:55of the VBA and illegalities in the defense system, why? Because
00:11:59precisely those people who led the parliamentary committees were under
00:12:02the control of the VBA. We had
00:12:05someone must ask that service, I believe this
00:12:09government will do it, I hope it will have the capacity for that, what was
00:12:13the role of the military security agency in the Banjska case, where did
00:12:17all that weaponry come from that ended up in the hands of secessionists in
00:12:20Kosovo and their temporary institutions there. which
00:12:23comes from military factories of the defense industry, from military
00:12:27warehouses, with all the documentation proving
00:12:29that that weaponry comes from military uh certain institutions and
00:12:33units, they left drones with recordings
00:12:37uh that monitor the training of that
00:12:39organization at military
00:12:42training grounds, official military training grounds, and what is the outcome of that, the outcome is that
00:12:46we have three dead young men, three convicted to
00:12:50life imprisonment, and we have an entire military-
00:12:53capable uh population of male uh uh
00:12:56gender expelled from the north of Kosovo who no longer dare to set foot there because they will be
00:13:00persecuted by secessionists in Kosovo, they must
00:13:04answer who covered up those responsible for the helicopter crash, the death
00:13:07of seven people, they must answer who is responsible uh
00:13:11for the death of Dejan Stojković in Pešter, who covered up
00:13:15evidence regarding that to determine that responsibility, they must answer who
00:13:19shot Milan Vukašinović near Kuršumlija a few
00:13:22months ago and what exactly was the VBA doing at that moment and how it
00:13:25covered up evidence and how that man was kidnapped from a zone where the VBA
00:13:29should not have been at all, so we have a series of questions, how did Veljko Belivuk enter
00:13:33the barracks in Pančevo and practice shooting? I have now received
00:13:37information, or rather I know from the media that Veljko Belivuk volunteered
00:13:40to be a cooperating witness, so let them ask him what he was doing
00:13:44in the Pančevo barracks, who brought him there, who gave him military weapons, who gave him ammunition to
00:13:48practice shooting. For all these answers, Đuro Jovanić
00:13:51must uh give... provide information to the public, to the public
00:13:55prosecution, and that is why I call upon the Supreme Public Prosecutor, the Public
00:13:58Prosecutor for Organized Crime, to immediately
00:14:01arrest Đuro Jovanić, Žarko Nešić, and Branislav Kušić,
00:14:05Kušljić. After that, we will be in a situation where
00:14:08numerous witnesses will come forward, numerous evidence will emerge, I believe
00:14:12it will not be difficult to prove at all when it comes to what
00:14:15I said earlier about money laundering, what is the role of the Serbian
00:14:19bank, uh, now the topic of Alta Bank is topical, what is the role of the Serbian
00:14:22bank in which the president of the management board and the second man
00:14:26of the management board are officers from the VBA? You have presented
00:14:29a large number of controversial questions, do you
00:14:32expect that we will uh after October
00:14:3525th, after the change of government in Serbia, get answers to
00:14:39some of them, will the prosecutor's offices initiate
00:14:43proceedings in these cases?
00:14:46Considering that at this moment I don't know who will form the government
00:14:50of Serbia, I expect that, well, we don't know who
00:14:53the individuals will be who will be in the ministries, who will
00:14:56lead the ministries of power, we don't know that at this moment, I expect, given
00:15:00the people on the list and we see that it is very well
00:15:04organized by the student movement, I believe that they are seriously
00:15:07working on these issues and that they will choose people who really know that
00:15:11system, because that system cannot be led by someone who does not
00:15:14know it, as people say, in detail, but
00:15:18I also expect that now what awaits us first is
00:15:21the constitution of the National Assembly, uh when the National
00:15:24Assembly is constituted, the person who will hold the position of President of the National
00:15:28Assembly will automatically be the commander of the army, that person will
00:15:31have the authority to remove from duty
00:15:34certain generals because he is legally authorized to promote
00:15:38and appoint officers to the rank of general, so that person will
00:15:41be able to immediately initiate accountability proceedings against
00:15:45those generals I named and other persons in the defense system who
00:15:48were installed during the previous government, that must be
00:15:52done to preserve the defense system, because it was not done
00:15:55in 2000, it was not done in previous years, so
00:15:59the defense system was not touched when it comes to reform and when
00:16:02it is uh about bringing it within the framework
00:16:05of the constitution and laws, how it should function, so
00:16:09the abuses are truly numerous, uh I
00:16:12call on members of the army uh
00:16:15to be worthy uh of our glorious
00:16:18colleagues, Duke Mišić, Stepa and others, to show both
00:16:22valor and courage and above all to show respect for the oath
00:16:25they gave, because a military oath implies fighting for
00:16:29the defense of the constitutional order, we are at this moment fighting for the defense of the constitutional order and
00:16:33that to the email that the students published, uzbonjivači
00:16:36jet students. org.rs
00:16:39should submit all the data they have at this moment about the destruction
00:16:42of evidence, about botting, about abuses,
00:16:46pressures on army members, everything should be submitted to that email, because it
00:16:49certainly won't end up in any drawer as criminal charges filed against
00:16:53these individuals have until now. Yes, now that you mentioned
00:16:56bots, I have to take you back to this bot center, because it is located somewhere in the territory
00:17:00of Belgrade or somewhere, I wouldn't say that
00:17:03now precisely because uh, so that I can preserve certain
00:17:07data for the competent authorities and to see if the prosecution will react
00:17:10to that, mhm, and were there also army members
00:17:14in it, i.e. soldiers, yes, of course, superiors,
00:17:17or what were they actually doing? Civilians, what were they
00:17:21doing? They were botting in the sense of commenting and writing on
00:17:24social networks, performing certain hacking, that's right, that's
00:17:28right, it will be, it will be very easy to determine when the competent authorities enter
00:17:32that center, document everything, when certain forensic experts there determine
00:17:36what was done. Mhm, good, do you expect that to happen
00:17:40soon? Well, I have now performed whistleblowing, so we'll
00:17:43see. Yes, yes. You were arrested on October 17th
00:17:47before these elections, after your post on social
00:17:50networks, your detention was lifted on October
00:17:5327th after the elections, allegedly because with the end
00:17:57of the elections, the reason for your detention also ceased.
00:17:59What about that proceeding, not just that
00:18:03proceeding, but the proceeding that was in 2025? You were
00:18:06also... arrested before the student
00:18:09student protest, Vidovdan, that's right,
00:18:12it was said that you were
00:18:16actually trying to endanger the constitution
00:18:19and uh what about that previous case that has
00:18:23to do with your
00:18:26employment in the trade union, so where are those
00:18:29proceedings? Here's how, I will so that it is clearer to the citizens,
00:18:33to the viewers, I will draw a parallel between
00:18:36certain... my activities and the activities carried out by
00:18:39your colleague Aleksandar Radić, so you have at this moment in
00:18:43public Aleksandar Radić who is
00:18:47a professional of many years who monitors the defense system and the security
00:18:50sector and whose words expressed
00:18:54in the public space carry great
00:18:57weight and usually they were, not usually, but they were always
00:19:01accurate and verified information that he presented, even
00:19:04those criticisms that he, as a critic, directed at the people who
00:19:08lead the defense system and the security system, uh at
00:19:11some point I, as a representative, the official
00:19:14representative of employees in the army, because being the president of a representative
00:19:18trade union implies that you are the official representative of employees in
00:19:22that sector that you represent, I
00:19:25also, starting from whistleblowing that
00:19:28criminals Veljko and Bjelivuk practiced shooting in the
00:19:31barracks, that was in 2017, and after
00:19:35that all the abuses that we mentioned, I mentioned
00:19:39the death of Dejan Stojković, we criticized the abuse, the illegal
00:19:42use of military helicopters in conditions when it could not fly, and everything else that
00:19:46we did is known to the public, so I won't repeat it, the public started
00:19:50perceiving Aleksandar Radić and me as people who know the defense system and who present
00:19:54that criticism, what they present, they present
00:19:57with arguments and we are simply believed, and when
00:20:01people like Aleksandar Radić and I say something in
00:20:04public, it has weight, it truly is so.
00:20:07And that's why Aleksandar Radić and I needed to be removed
00:20:11from the public space and prevented from criticizing this system
00:20:15that I spoke about earlier, which is closed, which is completely
00:20:18closed, which is not under civilian democratic control, in which the most serious
00:20:22forms of crime are committed, I say with full right that the top
00:20:26of the VBA and the people who are in league with them are an organized
00:20:29criminal group, I stand behind that, I can prove it as I
00:20:33said, that's why Aleksandar, why, for example, here's the biggest example if
00:20:37uh, you know how they function, they invent
00:20:40a criminal offense that does not exist, uh, with
00:20:44their prosecutors and judges, who are their
00:20:46associates and agents, they carry out your arrest at your
00:20:50home and conduct a search,
00:20:54with the intention of finding something, because they if Novica Antić says something or if
00:20:58Aleksandar Radić says something in the public space, they must have some
00:21:01informants, someone must have some document that is classified
00:21:05as some secret, and we will now accuse them of disclosing military secrets, but
00:21:09since we don't have that, we must first raid their house and collect
00:21:12their phones, devices, to be examined by the VBA, not
00:21:16the civil police, but the military police, among other things, in October they also took
00:21:19your daughter's phone, that's right, my eight-year-old daughter's, my wife's, a computer
00:21:23that was found in my house where I live
00:21:26from my brother's company, so they collected all that and
00:21:30imagine if they gave it to the army to examine for a crime
00:21:33for which the maximum penalty is up to five years, which is a crime of general jurisdiction for
00:21:37which that higher court that ordered such a thing is actually not competent, because
00:21:41none of that was happening in Belgrade, I openly told
00:21:45the prosecutor, yes, that is my post, I posted it on the network and
00:21:49from my phone I posted it, I voluntarily handed over my phone, here's my phone,
00:21:52see that I did it, why are you taking my wife's
00:21:55phone, my eight-year-old daughter's, my brother's computer from
00:21:59the company, why? So that you can unauthorizedly collect
00:22:02personal data of my family members, so that you might find
00:22:06some compromising material to then
00:22:09misuse it publicly with your uh uh
00:22:13I will freely say propaganda
00:22:17machinery like their regime televisions that
00:22:20are now being banned and so on, so the same was done in
00:22:24the case of Aleksandar Radić, so they broke into the man's apartment, they
00:22:27carried out a search, there was no crime, which was proven by the fact that the
00:22:31man was immediately released and when the man
00:22:34realized what was going to happen, when he saw that they gave those devices to
00:22:38people from the army to examine, he realized the background and
00:22:42maliciousness of everything that was happening and the man left
00:22:45and we have a situation where that actually, what he reported,
00:22:48happened, that they then accused him of a completely different criminal
00:22:52offense which is related to alleged disclosure of secret data, not for what
00:22:55he was originally arrested for, that's the essence of it all, yes,
00:22:59will you in some way react to all that you
00:23:03went through in the sense of will you file any charges against
00:23:06anyone? I have so far, for everything that was done
00:23:09to me, duly filed criminal charges with the prosecutor's office for organized
00:23:13crime, but so far there has been no reaction, of course,
00:23:17there was no reaction. Uh, I understand why there was no reaction,
00:23:20because you don't have
00:23:24uh, especially during the previous government's period, you absolutely didn't have
00:23:28anyone to prosecute that, because
00:23:30look, Đuro Jovanić should have been arrested by the military police, how could the military police
00:23:34arrest him when he is the head of the military police, when he controls the entire defense
00:23:38system, he controls General Mojsilović, so now
00:23:41you have General Mojsilović who is, in my opinion, unlawfully the chief of
00:23:45staff, because by force of law he should have been retired in August
00:23:48last year. None of us saw the decree that General Masilović's
00:23:52service in the army was extended, did anyone see that? No, so we
00:23:55have a complete collapse of the system, a destruction of the defense system,
00:23:59a broken defense system, which at this moment does not serve the constitution and
00:24:03its purpose which the constitution prescribes, which is the defense of the country and
00:24:07those three missions that the constitution and laws prescribe, but rather serves the mafia that
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00:24:14Vučić, who is an ordinary citizen, is being protected by a general, commander of the Cobras, and
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00:24:22how much does that cost the citizens all the time during the election campaign,
00:24:25he was dragging a company of Cobra members
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00:24:33in which law it is written that this can be done, here is Boris Tadić, the man
00:24:36who was president, he has a driver and one member, I don't know if there is a period
00:24:40after the president finishes his mandate, but he can have 50
00:24:44Cobra members using official vehicles and a general following him, and how much does that cost the citizens
00:24:47and for him to do that during a campaign.
00:24:50Yes, we will see how the institutions that should
00:24:53react will react to what you have just presented on N1 program,
00:24:57thank you very much for your guest appearance, that was Novica Antić, former
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