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00:01:09The Republic Election Commission announced the final results of the early
00:01:13parliamentary elections held on October 25,
00:01:16the National Assembly includes the student list, students win, which
00:01:20won 2,354,
00:01:24those data to, who used those 47,000 votes, or 140
00:01:26mandates. The list United Serbia Aleksandar Vučić for... who
00:01:30voted 1.7.300 uh
00:01:34301,
00:01:361,731,323
00:01:39voters who won 103 mandates, the minority list,
00:01:42another one that entered the parliament, Rasim Ljajić, got one
00:01:46mandate, the Alliance of Vojvodina Hungarians two, Usame
00:01:49Zukolić, the movement for unification, SDA guardians
00:01:52of Sandžak one mandate each and the Albanian coalition two
00:01:56mandates. We continue, so we have final, final
00:01:59results. elections and an opportunity to slowly constitute,
00:02:03to verify mandates and constitute the parliament
00:02:06where I stopped you, so we talked about the legal
00:02:10allowance and that obligation, why now, yes, that
00:02:13is a instruction that really caused
00:02:16great interest primarily among us prosecutors, members of the public prosecution
00:02:20organization, uh, at the head of that commission, as we
00:02:24know, Mr. Goran Ilić, a prosecutor of undisputed authority and
00:02:28reputation, and in his statements and addresses, he explained
00:02:31the tasks of that commission, namely, in a large number of cases, or
00:02:35a certain number of cases, there is great
00:02:38public interest, there are public assessments that
00:02:41something was not handled, that in those cases, it was not handled in the most correct,
00:02:45best way, uh, and Mr. Ilić explained that the
00:02:49task of that commission is to review those
00:02:52cases, that simply
00:02:55from prosecutors who enjoy the greatest
00:02:59authority and reputation, given their position, to give a final
00:03:02opinion, whether everything was done as it should, whether there is a
00:03:05need for additional measures to be taken in those cases,
00:03:08as well as whether there is a need for disciplinary measures to be taken against prosecutors,
00:03:12I would just add that this will
00:03:15contribute not only in that direction, but in the other,
00:03:19where perhaps the public unjustifiably criticized
00:03:22the handling of some cases, that this will contribute to perhaps giving
00:03:26a final judgment that in those cases everything was correct. that there is no
00:03:30reason for any disciplinary action, Mr. Zarić, so,
00:03:34let's talk now about the arrests of high-ranking
00:03:36police officers, Marko Kričak, so that the public knows
00:03:40that I won't list them all, how does that
00:03:43look to you, did those arrests surprise you
00:03:47or did you expect on this wave that
00:03:51well, they would end up in custody, I mean, I expected
00:03:54that it was a completely normal and realistic reaction of a
00:03:57state, believing that one day it would come to that. that everyone
00:04:01is responsible for what they do and for any
00:04:04abuses, here there were abuses, now we had
00:04:08a series of events, from arrests at Alta bank
00:04:12from, well, the director of
00:04:16RHMZ was also arrested, today we have in Pfondu in Novi
00:04:19Sad, how now everything is happening quickly, quickly,
00:04:23but this arrest is a bit late considering what
00:04:27was happening and being done and I believe
00:04:31that there is enough evidence,
00:04:35enough evidence exists that these police officers must be held
00:04:38accountable, not only them, but all those who, who then
00:04:42knows, so, if Kričak did
00:04:45something as the head of the criminal police or
00:04:48the commander of SAJ, so who is that in that
00:04:52hierarchy who had to know what they were doing who
00:04:55should also give a statement regarding that, and possibly
00:04:59be held accountable, well, yes. the director of the police, who is there, who really
00:05:02should have taken action, well, this, some measures, there wasn't even
00:05:06the initiation of the simplest disciplinary procedure, and there
00:05:09were certainly violations of official duty from... serious
00:05:12violations, perhaps even for dismissal, there isn't even
00:05:15that, we saw Valjevo, we saw Belgrade in front of the Faculty of Law, we saw
00:05:19that girl, when I keep repeating that, that girl
00:05:23as I understand, I think I understood correctly that the prosecution first
00:05:27found that uh postpone that
00:05:30institute of postponing criminal, you mean Nikolina Sinđelić, you mean her or this
00:05:34girl whose hair was pulled, the girl and so on,
00:05:37if that's not abuse, this torture and if that
00:05:40policewoman who continued to work.
00:05:42really continues to work completely normally as if nothing happened, that no one
00:05:46takes any action against such a person, there are many
00:05:49more, so then something, and could
00:05:52the director of the police decide independently, Mr. Majić, I ask you, so you know
00:05:56the hierarchical structure of the
00:05:59police, probably you do, but is it possible that
00:06:03the director of the police has so much power, so much strength, and ultimately
00:06:06some political power to say we won't these, regardless
00:06:09of such obvious evidence, we won't even examine
00:06:13them disciplinarily, or did someone above have to say,
00:06:17don't touch this, well, as I said before, people were appointed to those
00:06:20positions who are loyalists, who were simply
00:06:24there to stop such things, uh, in
00:06:27such systems as we had, you must keep that in mind, people
00:06:31often have far, certain loyalists have far greater power
00:06:35than their hierarchical position entails, that is, for example, the case with
00:06:38this senior prosecutor in Belgrade, he at one
00:06:42point conditioned to be the absolute sole
00:06:45prosecutor practically in Serbia, he through his jurisdiction, by taking over some
00:06:49cases where the jurisdiction of the higher public prosecutor's
00:06:52office in Belgrade is very questionable, he expanded
00:06:56his loyalist power, he presented
00:07:00it to those authorities for that reason, I would just say in one sentence
00:07:04that we have already agreed to disagree on everything, and that is perfectly fine, you know, that one
00:07:07platitude constantly creeps in, in my opinion,
00:07:10a platitude always has honorable
00:07:12individuals, that is indisputable, honorable
00:07:16individuals exist everywhere, always in every service,
00:07:20it's nice to say that we encourage them, but it depends on when and how
00:07:23you say it, it can be nice to say,
00:07:26it can be a dangerous relativization, because if you
00:07:29have a dramatic problem in one service that
00:07:33does dramatically ugly things, as we are now seeing a little,
00:07:36as I fear will be shown even more what the security
00:07:40intelligence agency actually did, for example, well,
00:07:43if you want the public prosecutor's organization, then on the one
00:07:47hand it's nice to say that some deputy public prosecutor, I don't
00:07:50know, in Leskovac is a good person and did his job
00:07:54honestly, but that can cast a wrong light on
00:07:58the primary characteristic of that organization which, unfortunately,
00:08:01in the previous period, based on the leading people of that
00:08:05organization and the actions they took, left a primarily
00:08:09very, very, to say the least, bad impression. We also have
00:08:12prosecutors who publicly spoke out, you just, I wanted to
00:08:16say that, you know, because I would always ask the question, you know,
00:08:19one of my questions that I often asked was
00:08:23to that organization, whatever it
00:08:26was, how many people were there who in all these years of what we lived through,
00:08:29truly said: "People, this is absolutely unacceptable, this is
00:08:33a crime that the state is committing against its population, I didn't see
00:08:37columns of people from the security information agency, not from
00:08:40the prosecutor's office, but there were a few and..." enas who
00:08:43went through the most terrible
00:08:46bullying in the organizations in which they worked, who were removed from
00:08:50cases, mistreated, about whom it is said, well, I also didn't see
00:08:54any protection for those many
00:08:57colleagues who do their job phenomenally and I often said, one of
00:09:01the tests for me would be, you know, did you hear in the
00:09:04prosecutor's office about Bojana Savović, did you hear?
00:09:07Well, what did you specifically do when you saw
00:09:10the mistreatment of your colleague?
00:09:13As a public prosecutor official who should protect
00:09:16the law, you watched for years the mistreatment of your
00:09:20colleague, you were aware that they were mistreating her just
00:09:23because she doesn't agree, she's not a loyalist there, and what did
00:09:27you specifically do for her, did you mention it at some meeting, did
00:09:30you make some note, or in the High Prosecutorial Council, did you say this is
00:09:34unacceptable, let's deal with this? You didn't, so I have to ask how
00:09:38can I believe you that you did your basic job impartially and
00:09:42lawfully. "When they mistreat one person in your house, and you are
00:09:45ready to be silent, sir, I apologize, I'm finishing, so that
00:09:49we can be honest about
00:09:52what happened and what will happen,
00:09:55I think it's dangerous, of course, always with that sentence, there are
00:09:59honest people and there were honest people, that it is a dangerous
00:10:02relativization to now say, well, yes, these are some
00:10:06individuals who did something, our bad people
00:10:09among us did a little, we lived for 14 years." we lived
00:10:13an occupation of the system, Mr. Vujičić, would you like to
00:10:16comment, serious serious this, serious comments,
00:10:20you know what, I come from the public prosecutor's organization, in conversation with my
00:10:24colleagues. "At the basic level, at the higher
00:10:27level with acquaintances and friends, not only from Valjevo, but also wider,
00:10:31uh, we all agreed that there are some problems
00:10:34that are characteristic of our public prosecutor's
00:10:37organization, whether it is, I would
00:10:40say, that cabinet-style way of leading the public prosecutor's
00:10:44organization by the leaders of the public prosecutor's organization, I remember
00:10:48times when the leaders of the prosecutor's organization,
00:10:51republican prosecutors, knew all of us who were, let's say, at that basic
00:10:55or higher level, now that has changed a bit, simply
00:10:59things are done more through instructions or
00:11:02through some controls, less through that personal
00:11:06relationship. Also, I agree
00:11:09the personnel policy that was conducted by the High
00:11:13Prosecutorial Council in the previous, in the
00:11:15previous uh composition, and
00:11:18now, simply we are all
00:11:21aware that certain positions in the public prosecutor's organization were taken by colleagues
00:11:25who perhaps shouldn't have, shouldn't have taken them, we are all
00:11:28aware that simply some who should have progressed,
00:11:32taken better positions, better places, whether they are
00:11:34uh prosecutors in higher in
00:11:37appellate courts, that they were not given passage at some point
00:11:41precisely, and why? Because they were not politically
00:11:44suitable, there were certainly, there were certainly more
00:11:47reasons, simply uh the functioning of
00:11:51the High Prosecutorial Council was at one point very monolithic, I think that
00:11:55there was a unified position of all
00:11:59those, let's say, centers of power, that at that
00:12:01time, uh, certain staffing was
00:12:04done with which of course some of us
00:12:08thought it was not good, but I also allow that those who
00:12:11decided knew better than us what and how they were doing
00:12:15uh I am convinced that there were those
00:12:18outside the prosecutorial centers of power who had a certain
00:12:22influence on all of that, who uh well... certainly centers
00:12:25of power that are not in, who are close to
00:12:29the executive, who are close to the executive power, have you
00:12:32heard of any such specific, no, I don't expect
00:12:35you to tell me names, but in your local
00:12:39environment, do you know that some do you know when we comment on some
00:12:42election we come to some
00:12:45name we say that we come to some name for which we
00:12:49believe that it has taken a position that it should not have
00:12:52taken.
00:12:55Nesov, that is SPS, it doesn't matter what we say, I think we are now moving a little away from
00:12:58a topic that is perhaps much more important at this moment, that
00:13:01is, if we are going to deal with the public prosecutor's
00:13:05organization in this way, then uh
00:13:08this reputation and this momentum that we recognize at this
00:13:11moment, prosecutor Bojana Savović, who was a guest a few
00:13:15days ago on your television, said that she was pleasantly surprised by what is
00:13:19happening and the activities that public prosecutors are undertaking at this
00:13:22moment, uh we see that a
00:13:25consciousness has awakened among public prosecutors, we see that
00:13:28cases, as you say, are being handled faster, that simply
00:13:31there is that communication between
00:13:34prosecutor and police, police, but it's okay for the public to ask why
00:13:38earlier,
00:13:40uh, isn't it okay to ask such a question, of course, but
00:13:44there are also examples that it was handled properly in the previous
00:13:47period, there are also examples of prosecutors who, well, Mr.
00:13:51Majić just said, prosecutors who had certain problems because they acted
00:13:55in the way they should have acted, we all
00:13:58agree on that, but I believe that now we have a
00:14:02moment that is perhaps historically important, very important, allow me
00:14:05just to finish that, which is that prosecutors become aware
00:14:09of the constitutional and legal mechanisms,
00:14:12instruments they possess, which they have at their disposal, and that
00:14:15the public becomes aware that prosecutors are
00:14:18the bearers of the fight against crime, that, which is perhaps
00:14:22most important, all those who have
00:14:25been, who will be the bearers of executive power,
00:14:29understand that prosecutors are definitely becoming
00:14:32independent, I hope that judges remain
00:14:36independent that it will force them to
00:14:39pay attention to their actions, that everyone will come, that
00:14:43accountability will be transferred to the next topic, today we have
00:14:46a statement, a joint
00:14:50assessment, Zagorka Dolovac met with the Prosecutor General
00:14:53of the Netherlands, and they assessed, I quote, "recent events in
00:14:57Serbia have removed, have removed political and institutional obstruction to
00:15:01the work of public prosecutor's offices in the country."
00:15:04Why didn't we hear the General earlier? Well, Mr. Zarić, we can,
00:15:07then we will make a new round, why didn't we hear
00:15:11uh Prosecutor Dolovac say
00:15:14something like that earlier, that there are political obstacles for us
00:15:17prosecutors and me as the supreme public prosecutor to do my
00:15:20job, well, simply we are witnesses, it is a fact that the
00:15:24prosecutor's office was quite dormant,
00:15:27Prosecutor, Supreme Prosecutor Dolovac
00:15:30rarely appeared, rarely acted like this, it
00:15:34cannot be said, well, at least she is acting now, but this...
00:15:37"it wasn't like that in the previous period, furthermore, we have a situation where sometimes
00:15:41the prosecutor, he cannot do it alone, if the police are obstructing,
00:15:44we have had many examples so far, that
00:15:48the police, instead of fulfilling their role and obligation, ultimately,
00:15:51because the prosecutor is the head of the pre- investigation procedure and to act
00:15:55according to the obligatory request or to act according to
00:15:58the order, or, it very often happened that the police did not
00:16:02do it, or we had these situations where
00:16:06police officers who participated in working groups, in the phases of investigation
00:16:09before the special prosecutor's office, they were mysteriously withdrawn and the groups were
00:16:13abolished. Therefore, the work of prosecutors was hampered and regardless of
00:16:17that, I agree with Mr.
00:16:20Majić, so, so, you cannot not have that much
00:16:24courage, integrity,
00:16:27so that we turn our heads away from something that is really happening and that
00:16:31is really incredibly unbelievable, we must be collegial,
00:16:34we must, well, here you had television,
00:16:37AS, look at how people 100% said
00:16:41no, what institution did that, and when
00:16:44we talk about accountability, we are not talking about collective accountability, we are talking about individual
00:16:47accountability, but the institution must be held accountable in the sense of who
00:16:51did this, who initiated, who asked, who carried out
00:16:55the target, who ordered, who signed, who took it to the judge,
00:16:58who contacted the judge, who you gave
00:17:02data, in that sense, we must talk about the accountability of the institution, in
00:17:05that sense of the prosecutor's office, why there? Why didn't it work, and it didn't, it worked
00:17:09as much as it could, some will say, well, we couldn't, well,
00:17:13why couldn't you, you weren't allowed, or, well, say you weren't allowed, by whom
00:17:16weren't you allowed, or, but now everything has started, now everything
00:17:20is functioning, yes, uh, the next topic I would like to, Mr.
00:17:23Majić, pardons, so, first we learned that
00:17:27Novi Sad activists were pardoned, then
00:17:30later name by name was practically
00:17:33revealed, it was like a big secret, who the president
00:17:37pardoned on the last day of his mandate,
00:17:39this, did the list surprise you when you
00:17:43saw Dijana Hrkalović, when you saw Gorski Matović,
00:17:46when you saw the people who drew on the
00:17:49students, were you surprised,
00:17:53honestly, if I had seen any name on that list, I personally
00:17:57would not have been surprised, and I will immediately say why, I often tell
00:17:59students when I teach
00:18:03and at work that the criminal offense of
00:18:06abuse of official position very rarely
00:18:09actually happens in practice, there are many wrongful
00:18:12accusations, misunderstandings of that criminal offense, but
00:18:16this will probably be one of the typical examples of the criminal offense of
00:18:20abuse of official position, where a certain person, in
00:18:23this specific case the President of the Republic, has the authority to
00:18:26pardon, to make a decision for practically
00:18:30any person who is under investigation or, but he does not do
00:18:33it in the interest of
00:18:37that for which he was given that authority, but does it
00:18:40in his personal interest or in the interest of his
00:18:44comrades, cronies, business or whatever
00:18:47friends you want, it is very possible that this will
00:18:50turn out to be one of the typical cases. The second thing I would like, why
00:18:54I said I would not be surprised at all, I personally
00:18:57am not sure, and I would like someone to disabuse
00:19:00me of the notion that we can even know a) when that act was
00:19:04passed, uh, whether there was one
00:19:07version or more versions of that act, or whether it was drafted at
00:19:11the last moment when it was presented to us,
00:19:15because uh neither one of those options, absolutely, who guarantees
00:19:19us that that act was passed when it was said that these names
00:19:22were in that decision when it was
00:19:25told to us, why do I say this, here
00:19:28nothing of the procedure, but literally nothing was
00:19:31respected, if you remember, we immediately
00:19:34had a statement from this minister
00:19:37of justice who said we have nothing to do with this,
00:19:40mind you, that is a mandatory element in pardons,
00:19:44the Ministry of Justice is the one that proposes, right, the president, they
00:19:47immediately said, we have nothing to do with this, that act was not
00:19:51delivered to anyone until a few days ago, that is, when it
00:19:54happened, who can, even though the public demanded it all the time,
00:19:58of course, the President of the Republic himself mentioned a few names,
00:20:01and deprived us of the rest, and that will still be
00:20:05raised, I really ask. I ask, how can we
00:20:09know when these names were
00:20:12designated by him, right, that it wasn't done
00:20:15the day before yesterday
00:20:18from some different variants
00:20:21of names, but whatever it was from all that, it
00:20:24only speaks of an unprecedented
00:20:27illegality in the proceedings,
00:20:31now there will be, of course, questions are being asked more and more often
00:20:34how to prevent this, how to stop in the
00:20:37system such an obvious, multi-obvious
00:20:41illegality, uh, I am currently inclined, although I am not
00:20:44an administrative lawyer, to somehow more for me, because this doesn't exist anywhere,
00:20:48you don't have practice for this, no one has, I don't even know
00:20:52other countries, we had a case in
00:20:55Macedonia, this, but, but it's not a common
00:20:58thing for presidents of the Republic to abuse that
00:21:02authority by this, it would only be
00:21:05this funnier if the President of the Republic
00:21:09had already acquitted himself of the possibility of being subject to any
00:21:12criminal proceedings, this must be
00:21:16removed from the system somehow and for now.
00:21:20I think and I conclude, uh, uh, it really seems to me that the call
00:21:23for the courts to stop, at least stop,
00:21:26the proceedings on this, for a procedure to be initiated
00:21:29before the administrative court, so just to mention the Milivojević
00:21:32family, the only accused from Lučani, the only
00:21:36accused for the death of their son was
00:21:39pardoned, uh, we remember that he came to the presidency
00:21:43almost asking for the possibility to at least place a monument
00:21:47to his son, this, not to mention the agony they went
00:21:50through for years, today we have
00:21:53a prosecutor who requested
00:21:56that the detention of
00:21:59Marko Pavlović be abolished in the Sonja Ponjavić case,
00:22:03I might ask you at the end not to list anyone
00:22:06else who was pardoned, so is the solution
00:22:10to go individually from case
00:22:12to case, or what Mr. Majić says, to go
00:22:16to, uh, to that the entire act of
00:22:20pardoning 49 pardoned people is an
00:22:24abuse of position, what is what
00:22:26is let's agree
00:22:29there is a clearly prescribed procedure regulated by
00:22:33the law on pardons, what are the steps to issue a pardon, that
00:22:37a request from an authorized person or a person against whom proceedings are being conducted,
00:22:41the opinion of the court, the court gathers information about that
00:22:44person, evidence, we are talking about situations where the
00:22:48trial is ongoing, not when a verdict has been reached. Those information go to the Ministry of
00:22:52Justice, the Ministry of Justice prepares a report with a proposal that is
00:22:55sent to the President of the Republic, the President of the Republic is not bound by the opinion
00:22:59of the Ministry of Justice, if any of these
00:23:02steps, if any of these steps was not
00:23:05followed, who reacts then, that is the real question, what we know
00:23:09is that the Prosecutor's Office for Organized Crime for the fight against organized
00:23:12crime has already initiated proceedings, i.e. requested the collection of information in this
00:23:16regard, and we will see if all these
00:23:19steps were followed or not, if all steps
00:23:22were followed, it means that the pardon is valid,
00:23:26regardless of how moral, how
00:23:29valuable and so on, if any of these steps was not
00:23:33followed, then these questions that Mr. Majić
00:23:36spoke about arise, how to react at that moment, the minister already said no,
00:23:40okay, okay, but now if the courts, well, that's the real question, maybe for you,
00:23:43if the courts have before them an act
00:23:47of pardon for specific persons and they have...
00:23:50the knowledge that there is a possibility that this act of
00:23:53pardon is not legally valid, what should they do in
00:23:57specific cases, do they have a legal possibility to stop and
00:24:01wait to see who it will be, whether it will be the administrative court, the constitutional
00:24:04court, whether the prosecutor's decision in the specific
00:24:08case will be awaited in order to make a final
00:24:11decision in that procedure, so these are some controversial legal issues and what
00:24:15I also agree with is that there is no unified position of theorists at this
00:24:19moment, because these are rare situations, what and
00:24:23how to react, we are finishing very briefly, one
00:24:26question for all of you, briefly, so uh, what would be your
00:24:30indicator in one sentence that Serbia truly wants
00:24:33independent institutions, free from political influence, what
00:24:37should happen, one sentence for everyone, all
00:24:39three of you,
00:24:43well, what should happen, here for example, the professionalization
00:24:47of the police, uh, the jurisdiction of the prosecutor's office,
00:24:50the independence of the prosecutor's office, so, real, independence
00:24:54of the judiciary, financial investigations to the end,
00:24:58that's it, that's it, Mr. Majić, Serbia undoubtedly wants
00:25:02an independent judiciary and police, I have no dilemmas about that,
00:25:06but that would be the first step for me
00:25:09uh, a clear acclamation of the new authorities,
00:25:13which we have never had here, that from tomorrow, if
00:25:16you hear, I don't know, let the Minister of Justice or the Prime Minister say
00:25:20that from me, I will call a judge on the phone or
00:25:23a prosecutor, say it publicly on television and dismiss me
00:25:27immediately, that it will be the biggest sin of this government and
00:25:31it should be given, we received this last information that the
00:25:34results of the elections have been
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00:25:41to a new parliament, a new new
00:25:44prime minister, a new new session in Nemanjina, thank you
00:25:48very much for being guests of N1, uh, you watched
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00:30:28Weekly Radar announced that the editor-in-chief, Vesna.
00:30:32Ališić, and journalists Sandra Petrošić and Milan Radonjić were under
00:30:36secret surveillance and wiretapping measures by the
00:30:38Security Information Agency. I am discussing this with Milan
00:30:42Radonjić, our colleague, journalist from Radar, good day, thank you for being
00:30:45here, well, I don't know where to start, should I start from Radar or from
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00:30:52have now, uh, Ana conveyed to us, that it was not
00:30:56only Radar that was targeted but also.