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00:01:12Good morning with Thei Mavragani. Every
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00:01:42Konstantinos Filis is here with us, good morning Konstantine.
00:01:46Let's go back to Manolis Kostidis to see him again in our window
00:01:50and our friend tells me here Manolis, look,
00:01:53where you are now, it's the only place in the world that
00:01:56has a mosque, a church and... a
00:02:00synagogue, so you learn he says, where you are now,
00:02:04side by side by side, he means, exactly,
00:02:07almost 15 meters apart, where else would you see this, you
00:02:11don't see this anywhere, and in and in and in the Asian
00:02:15bank in Kuzuncuk, Giannis Timizo will tell you, and it's the
00:02:18same there and the most romantic spots in the city, Makis
00:02:22tells me here, our friend, well, now
00:02:25Dimitris, I was sure the
00:02:29message had come.
00:02:46literally two churches, Orthodox and Catholic, what are you talking about, man,
00:02:50okay, they don't fight
00:02:51among themselves.
00:02:54Yes, yes, yes, we do, and you really see it, you
00:02:57follow it.
00:03:00We also have a professor now who will enlighten us even more
00:03:04and what else do we want, let's go, let's go, let's go now to see,
00:03:06Constantine, what's happening here, what are we doing? We have started
00:03:10a little quiet, guys, in the control room, they also have a romantic
00:03:14mood in the control room, I hear, but I won't say anything. So, let's say
00:03:17a word first of all about how we are influenced a little by American things and all that,
00:03:21how our relationships are influenced, if they are influenced and in which direction, so we can then move on to our
00:03:25own here, we are influenced if we are to be positively influenced,
00:03:29indeed. Is there any negative
00:03:32impact on the horizon from the
00:03:35result? President Trump invested in his relationship with Erdogan and
00:03:38Tumbalin, a relationship which is personal and
00:03:41transactional, which ignored Congress,
00:03:45anyway, President Trump has ignored Congress until
00:03:48today, but Greece has a strong
00:03:52advantage, the fact that there is bipartisan
00:03:55support for Greek positions
00:03:59and the role of Greece in relation to the United States, this
00:04:03will not only not change, but will be strengthened, let's say
00:04:06that during Trump's first and second
00:04:10term, the developments around the
00:04:14Greek-Turkish relations were not negative, meaning Trump may have
00:04:17glorified Erdogan many times, he said yesterday, sir, what you are saying now,
00:04:21Constantine, and he will be here soon, that we did not lose during Trump's period, as
00:04:24Greece, it is, it is, it is correct in what sense, that
00:04:28Trump may have said many annoying things for us about Erdogan, glorifying him
00:04:31publicly, they may communicate very
00:04:35frequently, something that does not happen with the Greek Prime Minister, there may
00:04:39be communication between the foreign ministers as well, but at the end
00:04:42of the day, regarding the content or at least
00:04:46regarding the matter at hand, we do not see Turkey having
00:04:48benefited, despite Trump's desire, I do
00:04:52not believe that Trump would not have wanted to help his friend
00:04:55Erdogan, but there are certain limitations, of course, some
00:04:59collateral situations,
00:05:01let's say, have happened in relation to the Syrian
00:05:04Kurds, whom the Americans abandoned for the umpteenth
00:05:07time, but Trump is not the first American president to do it, or
00:05:11issues that have to do with Turkey's stance towards
00:05:14Israel, but in purely Greek-Turkish relations or more broadly in the
00:05:17Eastern Mediterranean, we do not see any particularly
00:05:20negative impact for us or positive for Turkey during the Trump period, let
00:05:24me remind you that even if someone says that we have taken so many
00:05:28missile systems, why should he be with us if we haven't seen it
00:05:31so far, from now on things will be
00:05:35even better for Greece, meaning if
00:05:38with his own Congress these things didn't happen, now with the
00:05:42Democrats it will be even
00:05:45more difficult for her. Manoli, we've been discussing
00:05:48this for years, the structural problem regarding
00:05:52the F-35s is not the Americans, it's Turkey
00:05:56and Erdogan's insistence on not withdrawing the S400s, what can
00:05:59we do, it's a strategic mistake by Erdogan, which Turkey is
00:06:03still paying for today, paying for it in money, paying for it in diplomatic
00:06:07capital, paying for it in the loss of the F-35s, their
00:06:10own problem, but beyond that. If this were to change
00:06:14under any circumstances, even under a Democratic Congress, we could
00:06:18not rule out Turkey's return to the
00:06:21F-35 program, but the main problem is the
00:06:25S400s. However, the truth is that Democrats
00:06:28deal more with human rights, and President
00:06:32Erdogan had the wind in his sails these last two years, having against him a
00:06:36Trump who gave no importance to these things, he almost
00:06:39didn't publicly approve him, and I remind you. Imamoglu, whom
00:06:43we have forgotten that there was a mayor of Istanbul who is in prison,
00:06:47I remind you of the commissioner in the main opposition party, Erdogan
00:06:51who essentially wants to choose his opponent. There have been
00:06:54huge deviations of Turkey from the rule of law,
00:06:57if there ever was rule of law in Turkey, and this is something that
00:07:00Democrats can more easily identify and
00:07:04highlight.
00:07:06We have a big pending issue and I think we should mention it for the cable. I don't
00:07:10know now if all these things that they have are combined
00:07:13with what our pending issue is, Mr. Venizelos said something interesting yesterday
00:07:16about the cable, that it is not a substitute for Greek-Turkish relations, that
00:07:20is, he implies that an energy project will not
00:07:24automatically solve our problems with our neighbors, here
00:07:28where we are now, nor should it create more
00:07:30problems for us, we must also listen to Turkey's positions, he also
00:07:34added something, we heard Greece's positions at the UN,
00:07:38he says, but let's also look at Turkey's
00:07:41positions, that is. that is,
00:07:50they say some things that many times some people
00:07:54don't like, but they have
00:07:56governed, they have seen some things and they are telling the truth, the
00:08:00most important thing is that you understand them, they are
00:08:03understandable,
00:08:05it is the rational school of thought, let me say about the
00:08:09cable, about the cable we have the following.
00:08:12First, logically, next
00:08:15week we will have the issuance of the Navtex, there are
00:08:19three ministries involved, there is an inter-ministerial committee under the
00:08:22Ministry of Foreign Affairs where there is information for the
00:08:26involved parties, what needs to happen
00:08:29is to address the Ministry
00:08:32of Shipping because there must be an
00:08:36exception for the ship because it will
00:08:39be within Greek territorial waters. Then
00:08:42outside Greek territorial waters, so the exception is because this ship
00:08:46must operate in territorial waters which are sovereign, anyway,
00:08:50let's not get involved with the details, Ministry of
00:08:53Shipping goes back to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
00:08:56it is submitted to the Hydrographic Service for the issuance of the
00:09:00Navtex and the Minister of Foreign Affairs signs the issuance of the Navtex, all
00:09:03of this can be coordinated and
00:09:06done, I would say, by next Wednesday, but let's say next week.
00:09:10The request was submitted on
00:09:14October 8th and it's November today, there is no
00:09:18reason for this delay a month later, but I want to believe that next
00:09:22week we will have its issuance from then
00:09:24on, there is no reason to
00:09:28twist the screwdriver or the knife in anyone's wound, nor
00:09:31to point a finger, because some want to raise their middle finger too,
00:09:35we have no reason to go there, while in relation to Turkey,
00:09:39keep the ball low, we will do the job. The
00:09:43job will be done, the cable will proceed, the sovereign
00:09:46rights of Greece and Cyprus will in no way be questioned, the company will
00:09:50submit a request for the issuance of a Navtex in Greece, as it has
00:09:53also submitted one in Cyprus subsequently, there is no possibility of
00:09:56any request for permission being submitted to Turkey, but there is also
00:10:00no reason for us to celebrate publicly, I repeat, let's
00:10:03lower the tones and this applies to all
00:10:07directions, from the highest to us. It
00:10:10is
00:10:29a
00:10:33project that will potentially connect in the future not only Cyprus but also Israel with
00:10:37Europe, and because it will be bidirectional, so I want to
00:10:39say, there is no issue here regarding
00:10:43support, the last thing I want to say, the
00:10:46ship will start its surveys
00:10:49southeast of Karpathos, indeed, well, beyond
00:10:52the six nautical miles that are.
00:10:56the route it will follow is to Cyprus and it will return from
00:11:00Cyprus and the time period estimated for this is
00:11:04three to four months for the surveys to be done before the laying, we are talking
00:11:08now, the laying will follow, the laying will follow,
00:11:11Dimitris and Giannis, logically, either at the end of this year or at the beginning
00:11:15of 28, so this is the situation with the cable. So
00:11:19there is no reason to raise the
00:11:22tones for a project that will happen. For a project that has European
00:11:26support, which has American support, which has the support of
00:11:29Israel and which will be done in the right way,
00:11:32without me asking a question, can I ask
00:11:35a question?
00:11:37Mr. Filis, I want to ask you the following, next
00:11:41year Greece completes the program of the modernization of the
00:11:44F-16s and immediately after come the F-35s, make
00:11:48us a prediction, will Turkey under these
00:11:51conditions, with Congress as it is, with Trump weaker.
00:11:55Is there a chance that it will get F-35s soon, meaning
00:11:59to catch up with Greece in both F-16s and F-35s
00:12:02and all these things it's trying to get now? Even if tomorrow,
00:12:06Manoli, because F-35s are not chewing gum, they have to be put
00:12:10on a production line. So, other
00:12:13orders come first. Even if tomorrow Turkey miraculously
00:12:17solved the issue with the S400s and Congress could
00:12:20be convinced and override two laws, not
00:12:23one American. The F35s in Turkey will not arrive before
00:12:272032. Greece has air
00:12:30superiority over Turkey and let's stay there, we don't need to say anything
00:12:34more.
00:12:37Let's go now to Odos Sipanou because we have a video documentary here about attacks that
00:12:40happened with orders from inside prison in cafes, we
00:12:44saw these in the previous period and we
00:12:47were saying it here on this show that the
00:12:50attacks have been ordered, the
00:12:54people. These from inside the prison, the shocking thing though is, as
00:12:58revealed by the extensive investigation of the
00:13:01extortion department of the Greek FBI, the orders given by the
00:13:04alleged leader of the Albanian mafia from inside the prisons
00:13:08of a part of the Albanian mafia, do you know what he was saying? I want
00:13:11innocent people too, to cause them the greatest damage for the shopkeepers,
00:13:15that is, and innocent people to cause greater
00:13:18damage, the motive, we also see here how
00:13:22protection is done, the motive and not only. Primarily the
00:13:25trafficking of drugs. I have thoroughly
00:13:28asked whether the investigation has also extended to this
00:13:32strange bag with drugs and the explosive device recently in
00:13:36Kolonos where the two police officers were injured when one put his
00:13:39hand on it, the device was remote-controlled. So far,
00:13:43the investigation does not seem to touch this
00:13:46part. Instead, it is about the explosions in the
00:13:49shops, for the umpteenth time this particular person is
00:13:53again accused.
00:14:00Gentlemen, they raided his cell recently and this man had
00:14:04even put a wedge so they couldn't open the
00:14:07door. It seems that this man in prison is giving very big
00:14:11orders, real orders, of course, what are the others doing outside?
00:14:15What are the ones outside doing? Yes, they are implementing them. Well, for
00:14:18now, the police are doing their job, they are getting the
00:14:22people.
00:14:30Let's greet Mrs. Bakoyianni who came to join us, good morning
00:14:33to you, welcome, Mrs. Bakoyianni, I hear she is preparing big
00:14:37things with the book which she will present in December, December
00:14:4010th they present the book, who will present it, we will see
00:14:44that, we don't need to see it now, we know it, guys, it's
00:14:47already the 10th, she will have revelations
00:14:50in this book, what, what will this be, your whole
00:14:54journey. Will this book be in reality? A book of
00:14:58autobiography, it cannot not have revealed
00:15:01something, since it will be autobiographical
00:15:03and things, you will certainly provoke some and
00:15:07you will tease some, some will be annoyed by it, I don't tease
00:15:09anyone, it is a true, let's
00:15:13say, recording of what
00:15:16I lived. What do you see there on the panel? Is there
00:15:20a chance? I don't see anything yet, you can't say anything, okay, we'll
00:15:24leave it for later.
00:15:28Let's go to current events, Minister, to decode what
00:15:32happened in America, to Hellenize it rather, well
00:15:36if we don't Hellenize it.
00:15:40So what do you say here, how much does this concern us, what happened in the United
00:15:43States? First of all, it concerns the whole world, it's no coincidence
00:15:47that yesterday, the day before yesterday, I was telling
00:15:50Nikos Chatsinikolaou on the show, I have
00:15:54never been invited in the last 30 years to
00:15:57a panel for midterm elections,
00:16:00always for presidential elections,
00:16:02but why was there this global
00:16:06interest? Because the question would be if the Democrats
00:16:09would be able to control Congress and the Senate and
00:16:13from then on to have in some way
00:16:16a brake on Trump, that was the
00:16:20essence and that's why the whole world was on
00:16:23edge. The results showed two
00:16:26things: first that the people went and
00:16:29voted against Trump, meaning they went and
00:16:32voted against him, they massively stood up and
00:16:35voted against Trump, they voted against him because
00:16:38he refused him, meaning even the Republicans
00:16:42who went and voted against him, they voted against him because, but
00:16:46he told them, he told them that he would not start any war, he told them that he would lower
00:16:49prices, etc., instead he started
00:16:52a war, he did not end the war in Ukraine, prices
00:16:56went up because of the war, he paid, he says here, the two
00:16:59sevens, the 7% interest rate on mortgages and the
00:17:02$7 a gallon,
00:17:05but we in Europe, people may
00:17:09curse their governments for the
00:17:11high cost of living, but they know very well that they
00:17:15can't do anything , we're not discussing that, yes, I mean
00:17:18the famous Mitsotakis austerity, people
00:17:21know that it's not Mitsotakis austerity, it's Trump
00:17:24austerity, the Americans who had Trump and could do something, they
00:17:28did it. Have you seen statements here from politicians,
00:17:32domestic politicians since yesterday, they completely Hellenize the
00:17:35result and say that this also concerns us. Here, your government's
00:17:38message about the economy, about the standard of living, about the
00:17:42fake dilemmas, about the blackmail, about a series
00:17:44of issues, I make this superficial, or if
00:17:47you want, this
00:17:50oppositional analysis, I say
00:17:54that for me Americans knew that
00:17:57oil prices rose due to the war in
00:18:00Iran, who started the war in Iran? Trump, so
00:18:04they voted Trump out, here. If
00:18:08they vote for Androulakis or Tsipras, nobody believes
00:18:11that Tsipras or Androulakis will open the Strait of Hormuz
00:18:15or solve the problem of Iran, do you
00:18:18understand what I mean? People are not fools, people know very
00:18:22well who and where can do something, they tell you, even as a government, you should
00:18:26not have weapons, we also have weapons here, and the government between
00:18:30has money, it also collects that we are one of the very few
00:18:33European governments which today subsidize.
00:18:41How much we will be able to do it, I don't know
00:18:44and here he will tell us this, you will ask, but
00:18:47how much he will be able to do it, I don't know, what I certainly know
00:18:51is that today Trump held consecutive
00:18:54meetings yesterday away from journalists, he is
00:18:58thinking very seriously about what he will do, that is, my
00:19:02assessment, I may be wrong, but my assessment
00:19:05is that Trump will do everything to end the war now, I wish,
00:19:09that is, he has understood, he will work, you say, you also say for Trump's legacy
00:19:12from now on because he has two years left, it's not a big legacy
00:19:16for him, but in any case, to be able to pass what
00:19:20he wants, the essence
00:19:23is that, as I read things
00:19:26today and after Vance's statement
00:19:30yesterday, who clearly blamed the
00:19:34war, I believe he will do everything he can, I wish.
00:19:37To end the war now, how will he end it, because there is no good
00:19:41solution, no good solution, there is no good solution to end
00:19:44this war, there isn't, but in any
00:19:47case, he is Trump, he will call fish
00:19:49meat. Here, meat fish, regarding the high prices,
00:19:53let's go to the Greek issues because the tones here have risen to very
00:19:56high levels, sir, okay, it's terrible, I mean, we heard yesterday
00:20:00the, it made a big impression on me, this phrase
00:20:03"shut up" that the Greek left coalition said yesterday.
00:20:07Look, it's also undemocratic to some extent, to tell someone else not to speak,
00:20:11I, because I want
00:20:14to say it, because I lost my temper a month, 15 days ago
00:20:18in Chania and
00:20:21I really made a mistake, I'm sorry,
00:20:24of course, because you shouldn't lose your temper, I sat for 3.5
00:20:28exactly why
00:20:30you sat there and I have, I also have the reputation of a calm
00:20:34person, but I really sat for 3.5 hours. I was listening
00:20:38and when I tried to present a
00:20:41huge project that will be done for the Chania hospital, I lost my
00:20:45temper and I truly apologize and it was
00:20:47a mistake,
00:20:49but. For an official announcement to be made
00:20:53by a party with this
00:20:55vocabulary shows two things,
00:20:58I think, first that they have a bit
00:21:02lost it and we now have
00:21:05two parties which are
00:21:08competing and competing in the same space in
00:21:11toxicity, in what, in toxicity, meaning from now
00:21:14on we will have a
00:21:18competition, who
00:21:21will say the biggest insult, will Androulakis say it or will
00:21:24Tsipras say it?
00:21:28Both, politically now I want to say, both are targeting
00:21:31to the left,
00:21:34because the behavior of Androulakis in
00:21:37parliament has disappointed me very much, Piarakakis will tell you the
00:21:41rest, no, they're talking nonsense,
00:21:43but it has disappointed me very much on the issue of
00:21:47foreign policy, because.
00:21:52There's no brake there either, and that's very important. I mean, we
00:21:56Greeks are very few to
00:21:59for issues on which we all essentially agree. Look, we
00:22:02all agree, right? The defense of Greece's sovereignty,
00:22:06of our sovereign rights, there's no issue, so these also get mixed up,
00:22:10criticism could have been made in a
00:22:13much more serious and responsible way, but
00:22:17they're also raising the stakes there, talking about defeats here and.
00:22:22But that's what I'm saying, that this is something that does not
00:22:26harm New Democracy because New Democracy's strong card, if
00:22:29you will, is national issues, it doesn't
00:22:32affect it, it affects the level of
00:22:35politics and the message to the outside world. This is Mr.
00:22:39Tsipras's personal choice, this whole shift
00:22:42of Mr. Tsipras, that is, Tsipras started and said this famous phrase
00:22:46"arch-priest of corruption" for Mitsotakis.
00:22:50Why is he doing this? Is it a poll-related issue? What is it? Is it substantive? Is it a poll-related
00:22:53issue? Is he trying to become again? The other profile didn't work for him,
00:22:57the new profile didn't work for him, and from then on
00:23:00he changed and became himself
00:23:03because he was basically awkward with the new
00:23:07profile, he couldn't handle it, he didn't know
00:23:10how to serve it, you know, how everyone is themselves, you can't
00:23:14after 20 years of politics become something
00:23:17else, he tried that. He made the
00:23:20effort to be calm, you say it didn't work out and he's gone back to his old ways
00:23:24now. But what New Democracy has brought up is the change of the criminal codes of
00:23:272019 and is asking for answers from Mr. Tsipras, accusing him of
00:23:31serving interests then, other ministers say
00:23:34he also took money. What is true here? Why has New Democracy brought this up so much?
00:23:38New Democracy isn't bringing it up, New Democracy is provoked, yes, if they
00:23:42call you literally
00:23:45the arch-priest of corruption, you're provoked if for eight
00:23:49years.
00:23:53He has been prime minister for 8 years, he makes 20 decisions a
00:23:56day and someone finds something in these
00:24:0020 decisions,
00:24:03goes to the prosecutor and says Mr. Mitsotakis did this,
00:24:06when for 8 years you haven't found anything, it means
00:24:10that, sir, at least don't play this
00:24:13card, play something else, you have something to say, for God's
00:24:16sake, this government, if you want to criticize it. You
00:24:20can criticize it a lot, you can criticize it, but
00:24:23when you reach this level 6 months before the elections,
00:24:27you understand what awaits us,
00:24:31and you want me to tell you what the message is, I am now following the various discussions on
00:24:35television, because as you know I am obsessed
00:24:38with the topic, I
00:24:41watch it and then I turn it off, television, really,
00:24:45I mean the intensity, yes, the fights,
00:24:48yes, my child,
00:25:00we had amazing discussions back then with 60%
00:25:03viewership, but our discussions were discussions, they
00:25:07weren't dogfights, okay, obviously people
00:25:11don't want this dogfight, in my opinion,
00:25:14yes, and I think that parties are making a mistake, it's just the
00:25:18competition now and the... which you also provoke in them,
00:25:22because you do what you can, but it's not our fault that you tell them, you are
00:25:25second, you are third,
00:25:29do you predict who will be second? Tsipras is for
00:25:33now, but PASOK is starting to bite, what do
00:25:35you see? Look, I believe that PASOK has many more cadres than
00:25:39Tsipras and more serious cadres than
00:25:42Tsipras and if they had some brains and
00:25:46followed the permanent line, because to return to foreign
00:25:49policy. PASOK always had two tendencies: the
00:25:53so-called patriotic populist PASOK, do
00:25:56you remember the old era, the era of sentiment,
00:25:59yes, and the serious PASOK in foreign policy.
00:26:02The serious PASOK of foreign policy that Pangalos,
00:26:06George Papandreou, Evangelos Venizelos etc.,
00:26:09served, eh, at
00:26:12this moment it is in the forgotten in
00:26:16PASOK, and the danger is that
00:26:19they will enter a populism
00:26:22competition in foreign policy, which for a
00:26:25serious party is fatal. That's
00:26:29why you say, I saw a statement yesterday regarding the
00:26:33yellow cards of the commission to Turkey for the
00:26:36Turkish-Libyan, for the casus etc. and from PASOK they say that at some
00:26:39point the commission will also have to come out and impose sanctions on
00:26:42Turkey, not just findings,
00:26:45sanctions, financial,
00:26:48economic, yes, all these are not
00:26:51isolated, that is, we say let's impose
00:26:55sanctions, as we say let's impose sanctions on Libya today,
00:26:58isn't it, on the other hand we have 2 million sitting in Libya.
00:27:03Correct and waiting for migrants and about 4
00:27:06million in Turkey. You take all these into account
00:27:10in foreign policy. You don't spout slogans
00:27:14if you are a serious party. And because we did this job
00:27:17for many years, we were always very
00:27:20careful. And if we managed
00:27:23then with Bucharest to have
00:27:26a unanimous parliament of Greeks, it was
00:27:29precisely because we were lucky. from
00:27:32each side to be serious people who
00:27:36did not put on the table the issues of
00:27:40foreign policy, it has a very great importance, the cable will
00:27:43be done, Mr. Philis told you earlier,
00:27:47but Mr. Venizelos said a very serious word yesterday and I want to repeat it
00:27:51here on Sky he said, let's not
00:27:54get confused, the cable is an issue on which, according
00:27:57to international law, we are absolutely right,
00:28:01there is no issue,
00:28:05our other issue is with Turkey, our issue with
00:28:08Turkey is our continental shelf and
00:28:11EEZ, that's where we need to insist, that's what we need to
00:28:15solve, thank you very much madam, let's go
00:28:18to a break, we'll be back here with Kyriakos Pierrakakis.