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00:04:10Today with Dimitris Economou and Giannis Pitara
00:04:14daily at 6 AM on Sky.
00:04:34Let's go find Giannis Haniotakis to tell us what's happening with this flight.
00:04:38There are many, the day before yesterday there were seven flights, another incident
00:04:42today. Hello Giannis, good morning from Athens.
00:04:45Yes, good day to you. We have another incident with a bomb threat on an
00:04:48aircraft. This time a flight that
00:04:52started from Dublin, Ireland, was destined for
00:04:56Rome. However, according to websites, it
00:05:01turned back over an area south of
00:05:05Paris and is heading towards a military base in
00:05:08Normandy with the aim of landing there and carrying out
00:05:11all the necessary checks. The incident was confirmed by the
00:05:15French Prime Minister's office, which
00:05:18announced that it is monitoring in real time the
00:05:21development of the case, and of course, this is a threat
00:05:24that was added to the approximately seven others that occurred
00:05:28this week against
00:05:31flights across Europe. Fortunately, no explosive device was found
00:05:34in any of these aircraft, but
00:05:37in any case, they put European airspace on alert for
00:05:40a while.
00:05:44Let's go to our own news. Let's find Vika at the Propylaea, where
00:05:48in a little while the educational rally is expected to begin.
00:05:52Good morning again.
00:05:54Good morning, and as you can see, students,
00:05:57university students, and teachers are slowly gathering here
00:06:01in front of the Propylaea. Let me tell you that at the heart of their demands is the increase of
00:06:04funding for education, meaning the support of
00:06:08public and free education, the abolition of Article 16.
00:06:12Students and pupils demand
00:06:15the drafting of plans for school
00:06:18and university infrastructures, after the latest
00:06:22incidents we had, if you remember, with natural gas, with falling plaster in various
00:06:25schools in Greece. They demand a reduction in the number of students per class,
00:06:29there are too many students in the class. OLME has also issued
00:06:32work stoppages, so that teachers can also
00:06:36participate in the rally. As you can see, the roads, the
00:06:40road here in front of the
00:06:42university, has not closed yet, the subway station, however, is
00:06:46closed, it has been closed since 10 o'clock, there is no
00:06:50stop here at the subway, they can use either Syntagma or Omonia
00:06:54for those who want to move around, we expect to see how the
00:06:57mobilization will unfold, from here they will leave and go on a march to
00:07:01parliament when they gather. Good day to you, thank you very, very much, we will
00:07:04of course follow the all-educational rally, here next to us in the studio is
00:07:08Mr. Kostas Katsafados, the Deputy Minister of Climate Crisis and Civil Protection.
00:07:16Mr. Katsafados, let me start by saying that we had this incident again for
00:07:20yet another time, a phone call about a bomb on an airplane, and I'm talking
00:07:24about your capacity in civil protection. We also add to
00:07:27this the fact that many governments have now said that for 72
00:07:31hours we should be self-sufficient. Is something happening and you need to tell us?
00:07:34Look, this is an old directive from long ago, but it is being
00:07:37updated. It's an old directive from the European Union.
00:07:41I don't think it came out for the first
00:07:44time during the COVID period.
00:07:47We don't need to create a climate of anxiety among citizens. There is nothing
00:07:51alarming that we should be worried about. However,
00:07:55you see that many cyberattacks
00:07:58are taking place, which is particularly
00:08:01worrying, because it creates a big problem in the daily life of citizens and in the functioning
00:08:05των κρατών και των επιχειρήσεων, έτσι και στη λειτουργία της κοινωνίας,
00:08:08So, states must be as well-fortified as possible
00:08:12and more so against all kinds of cyberattacks that they
00:08:16may face. We are not going to get a trophy. I didn't say that about
00:08:20cyberattacks. I'm saying, apart from cyberattacks, the lady,
00:08:23we released a video yesterday with the lady, the commissioner, who
00:08:27pulled out her bag and said, "I have a
00:08:30can of food, I have a flashlight, for any
00:08:33eventuality." Do I have to do it for any eventuality? No, I don't think we need to
00:08:37do it. Look, look here, look
00:08:40here, obviously we live in an
00:08:44era where everything is changing, obviously we live in a very turbulent
00:08:47geopolitical period, but there is no particular reason for concern for our
00:08:51country at this moment. Indeed, let's go to the political current events, let's start with
00:08:55Mr. Christodoulakis. Do you feel a bit like Mr.
00:08:58Lafazanis, Mr. Christodoulakis? Not really, to tell
00:09:01you the truth, yes, but Mr. Pirrakakis says that, okay, you are preparing for
00:09:05the mint. Let's go make money, kids, be safe, we will distribute it even if
00:09:08there is a war, it's not necessary.
00:09:12To see Pirrakakis on the left, okay, okay, okay.
00:09:15You know, come on, I understand the following: the government these
00:09:19last few days, whether we like it or not, the objective facts say
00:09:22this, that it was caught with its pants down because it remembered after
00:09:26seven years the impunity of funds and services. Excuse me, it has been governing
00:09:30for 7.5 years and has done absolutely nothing, and instead of doing absolutely nothing,
00:09:33on the contrary, we have a record profitability of funds in Greece,
00:09:36double compared to the second in the rest of Europe. We have
00:09:40increased foreclosures from 21 to 25 by 21.0,
00:09:44five times over. So there is a field that until today was
00:09:48completely unregulated, and under the pretext of regulation, I will come back to that
00:09:52exactly, it brought the so-called Article 23, which says the
00:09:56following: that I leave the borrower completely judicially
00:09:59unprotected. If he does not pay his installment for a certain number of months, then someone can take his property without
00:10:03a court decision. So, it would legislate in favor of funds, you say.
00:10:06This article was a pure legislation in favor of
00:10:10funds. Fortunately, we did our job in parliament
00:10:13and forced them to withdraw it. Excuse me, but no
00:10:16government introduces an article in a law that it did not
00:10:20want or had not noticed. These things don't happen by mistake. But let me say this about the essence
00:10:24of the matter. Because it is really important, because private debt in
00:10:27Greece is a critical issue. For every 10€ of private debt, six are
00:10:31unregulated. In our country, I can say other statistics, this discussion has no meaning
00:10:34for now. But we say this, that the
00:10:37real regulation that indeed needs to come,
00:10:40incidentally, something that is positive, we vote for it in
00:10:44this bill. I close the parenthesis. That is,
00:10:47even if something is problematic, if its existence is better than its non-
00:10:51existence, we will vote for it. But three basic pillars are missing.
00:10:55Three: first, protection of the primary residence. What can
00:10:58we do? PASOK legislated it during the years of the crisis,
00:11:02and all the others afterwards, from SYRIZA starting to New Democracy, today,
00:11:06completely abolished it, and today it is missing as a regulation. Second, mandatory
00:11:10participation of the creditor in the out-of-court mechanism.
00:11:13Why? Because today the contribution of the out-of-court mechanism is less than
00:11:1610% in an effort to cover up the size of
00:11:20non-performing loans. And third, and important, the right of
00:11:23preemption. It doesn't work. Your bank chooses, it chooses, no one
00:11:27forces it, to sell your loan to a fund, at
00:11:3010%, for pennies, for you to take it later at 300% and some to
00:11:34produce excessive profits at
00:11:37borrower, and for the borrower not to be able to participate in
00:11:41this process. Three obvious and self-evident things that if someone
00:11:45really wanted to contribute to the regulation for the benefit
00:11:48of borrowers, in the protection of their rights against the funds which
00:11:51have had huge profitability all these last years, especially in Greece.
00:12:12and in this interest rate of 5.84, it is
00:12:15problematic, it is not a real facilitation, and we also raise the issue of reducing
00:12:18surcharges, as an
00:12:21amendments, because we always back up what we say.
00:12:33On the occasion, let me start with the last thing that Mr.
00:12:35Christodoulakis said. No, that was the first
00:12:38question, sir, but
00:12:41to confirm that they are leaning towards Lafazanism,
00:12:45ah, they are leaning then. Starting with the last thing that Mr. Christodoulakis said, what
00:12:49did he say? He said something very easy, something very nice, something very
00:12:52simple, and something that we all
00:12:56would want to happen. What was that? That every
00:12:59borrower should be able to participate in the acquisition of their loan
00:13:03by a fund and acquire it themselves. To be precise, the last thing he
00:13:07said was also the 120, the second to last thing. So, to be precise,
00:13:11regarding the second to last thing,
00:13:14it's something that may sound
00:13:17very nice, but under this logic, no borrower will extend
00:13:21their loan, not one. No, that's not true. I'll answer.
00:13:29And that's why it's not implemented. Look here. This government, from
00:13:322019 until today, has proceeded with
00:13:35a series of legislative interventions. In this
00:13:38bill that we are discussing today. So what Mr.
00:13:42Koustodoulakis said, that he did nothing and waited 7.5 years, is not true. In this
00:13:45bill there are 16 provisions. 16
00:13:49provisions, eight in favor of the borrowers and another
00:13:53eight to limit. the services, which are
00:13:56all, absolutely all, for the benefit of all people
00:14:00who have loans, whether they can service them or cannot
00:14:04service them. Beyond that, this specific
00:14:07legislation, which we all members of parliament will be called
00:14:10to vote on by raising our hands today at 2:00 p.m., has
00:14:14specific issues. The first has to do with the
00:14:17fact that from now on, the advance payment that
00:14:21a citizen will give for their loan will not exceed.
00:14:2515%. We had up to 50% and over 50%
00:14:28until today, speaking of which, 23 was
00:14:31problematic. The second look at why you withdrew
00:14:35it. Regarding, I heard later that it was very good but you
00:14:38withdrew it, very good why the one that has to do, Mr.
00:14:42Koutra, with Article 23, again what Mr.
00:14:45Hroustodoulakis said is not true, it was not for all
00:14:48borrowers, it was for borrowers who had
00:14:51pre-agreed with the fund that they would be able to enter
00:14:55this process. It was not for all borrowers, however,
00:14:58because it created some ambiguities,
00:15:00rightly so, and it created some
00:15:04ambiguities, the government did the right thing and removed it, and it's not the first time, nor
00:15:08the only time, nor the first
00:15:10time.
00:15:13So, it's not the first time, nor the only time. Beyond
00:15:16that, at this moment the government is coming and offering
00:15:19substantial solutions. We are not completely solving the problem, the problem cannot be completely solved.
00:15:23We are coming and offering.
00:15:38Finally, does VAT pass on to consumers, or can the reduction of VAT pass on to products or
00:15:42not? Because I'm confused. It passes very difficultly, it passes, but history
00:15:45has shown that it passes very difficultly. So why don't you do something else?
00:15:49And the reality, sir, is
00:15:52that we are trying to also
00:15:55have a reduced VAT regime in the islands of the northern
00:15:58Aegean. It has not passed. We are trying to create a
00:16:01mix of economic policy using various
00:16:05tools and trying to find various.
00:16:38Just to not leave any gaps, listen, if I have a loan with a
00:16:41bank, I get the loan from the bank, I get it with the fund, I have a contract with the bank,
00:16:45right? If the bank does not want to sell my
00:16:48loan, the contract I have with the bank applies, so I have an obligation to
00:16:52pay my loan regularly with the contract I signed. The
00:16:56conversation we are having, we are having it in the case that the
00:16:59bank itself, on its own, without anyone absolutely pressuring it,
00:17:03decides to sell my loan to the fund. That's where we have the
00:17:07conversation. We say that if you sell it to the fund at
00:17:1110% of its value, I should be able to
00:17:14get it at 12%. Who wins and
00:17:17who loses? The bank gains 2% more, so we are not
00:17:20playing with the financial stability of the country, right? The borrower
00:17:23wins and gets it at 12%, while at
00:17:26300%, do you know who loses the installment?
00:17:29Do you know who loses? The one who would have sold it at
00:17:32300% and now the fund loses it. Are we okay with the
00:17:36fund losing it? Are we okay? You mean, we're not discussing it. I just want to ask
00:17:39you something, one minute, I want to ask you something, if all
00:17:43the loans turn red now, loans, I'm saying something very simple, Mr.
00:17:46Koutra, I have a contract with the bank, I have a contract,
00:17:50if the bank, if the bank does not sell it, I have my
00:17:54obligations towards the bank, whatever is described by the
00:17:56contract. If you don't pay it, the
00:18:00bank, when the loan turns red, you know
00:18:03financially now, as soon as the loan turns red,
00:18:17it only has obligations, it's wrong. During Syriza, 18 to
00:18:2020 billion loans were sold and today it has skyrocketed and we say that this
00:18:23is wrong
00:18:25for
00:18:29democracy and PASOK, sir, to
00:18:31give. We say that in cases of conditions or
00:18:34circumstances of heightened pressure, there
00:18:38should be a mechanism so that temporarily and not
00:18:42permanently, for certain basic goods that everyone needs
00:18:45to live, there is a reduction in VAT so that
00:18:49these prices are eased and the citizen who will go to
00:18:52the store is relieved. Listen to us, New Democracy used to tell us
00:18:56that, "Kids, the reason we don't bring this measure is that it can't be passed on to
00:19:00consumption, the final price." Yes,
00:19:03yesterday New Democracy was celebrating because
00:19:10it reduced it. We say to zero it. It reduced it well, okay.
00:19:13They did well. But I have a question, excuse me, how does
00:19:17it pass there and in basic goods in the supermarket it doesn't pass? And you put it
00:19:20very correctly, how is the reduced VAT not only in the
00:19:24northern Aegean islands, but also in the islands that are under tourist pressure?
00:19:27It passes and in mainland Greece it doesn't pass. Is this
00:19:31VAT partisan? Is it
00:19:33geographical? Does it prefer certain products? What
00:20:07doesn't happen with slogans,
00:20:09you made a, I didn't interrupt you, allow me, I didn't interrupt you,
00:20:13so, you asked a question, you asked a question to Mr.
00:20:16Christodoulakis and you said something very simple, if what
00:20:20PASOK wants us to adopt passes, no citizen,
00:20:23no matter what, no citizen will
00:20:26service their loan, immediately they will turn red and immediately they will look and Mr.
00:20:29throws the ball, it's not true.
00:20:33Leave it, let's go, sir.
00:20:37Sir, let me ask you something, hand on heart now,
00:20:41you have the ability, you are a borrower, I haven't taken
00:20:44a housing loan, but let's say I take a housing loan, yes, and I have the
00:20:48ability to default on the...
00:21:31and you understand that politics is not always a pleasant process, but
00:21:35you have a duty to the citizens and to the country. This is what
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