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00:00:00and I note this, uh Tierias, we know in which
00:00:04uh, everyone knows in which it is in the place of origin of
00:00:08Fyrunidis, after all, it is his place, the
00:00:11specific one which this police officer serves
00:00:15even now as we speak because we have information from the police, no
00:00:18criminal prosecution has been brought, so he remains in the force. The
00:00:22case has been taken over by the Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office.
00:00:26This specific person seems to have had the following involvement.
00:00:31What does it mean? He would type when
00:00:33he saw a suspicious vehicle moving in the area,
00:00:37especially when they started to realize that they were being looked for, he would type
00:00:41license plates into the police systems and see who
00:00:44that license plate belonged to. We know what he does.
00:00:47There are electronic footprints that remain
00:00:50exactly, right, George. He also placed bets that
00:00:54Fyrunidis sent, his best man received, so he would tell his best man, "This
00:00:58match is a sure thing, bet on it." The police officer would go in,
00:01:01bet, as the information says, last
00:01:04summer, and people who saw them tell us this. We are talking about
00:01:08a very small community where everyone knows
00:01:12everyone. They caused a lot of trouble with their lavish lifestyle, both the
00:01:16best man, the police officer, and Fyrunidis. So what is
00:01:19the issue here? To prove if he
00:01:22ultimately knew everything and did not report it, even if he was not part of the
00:01:26structure of the organization, he
00:01:29seems to have had a complete picture that
00:01:32dozens of people were being deceived here, who, as we told
00:01:35you before, are slowly starting to take legal action, but
00:01:38he did not report anything. Who? A police officer, we say again.
00:01:42All of this that we are describing to you. So let's go to Mr. Fotiadis. Mr.
00:01:46Fotiadis knows quite a few things. He knows
00:01:50at least the people. I don't know. I will ask you this classic graphic
00:01:54question that journalists ask, Mr. Fotiadis, if with all this
00:01:57you said, "Oh my, we are falling from the sky," or not.
00:02:02I can't say that I was shocked,
00:02:05yes, why? I can't say that I was shocked,
00:02:08why? Because,
00:02:10you know, when you see a sudden
00:02:13enrichment, and when, let's say, some things,
00:02:17you know, are known in a small community, you don't get
00:02:20shocked.
00:02:23Of course, uh, these things were known
00:02:26for years, that is, that is this...
00:02:32wait, let's clarify this. It's one thing
00:02:36to see some people in the local
00:02:39community suddenly have a lot of
00:02:42money and live a luxurious life, and it's another
00:02:46thing to hear that the
00:02:49organization they have set up, supposedly
00:02:52helping children, is a scam. Did you have
00:02:55indications of this?
00:02:58The indication I had
00:03:00was this: about two years ago, about 1.5 to two
00:03:03years ago, someone from the village approached me,
00:03:07who asked me a question, which, let's
00:03:10say, from then on I started to, yes, uh, he
00:03:13says, "You too," he says, "you are president," he says, "of an association, of
00:03:17an NGO in Moldova, you run, you struggle, why," he says, "do you not have this culture," he says, "why do you not have this
00:03:21comfort, to come with a Porsche
00:03:24Cayenne, to come with one, to come with the other car, to change, to do?" I
00:03:28say, "What do you mean?" He says, "You know, so-and-so," he says, "has shown," he says, "from the culture." I say, "I see, what can
00:03:32I tell you?" Were
00:03:35you talking to Fyrunidis and his wife? No,
00:03:39no, they came very rarely to the village. They
00:03:42didn't come regularly, they didn't come regularly, no, they lived in
00:03:46Thessaloniki, they didn't come regularly, but of course here
00:03:49we must say that the family of
00:03:53Fyrunidis, I honestly tell you, is
00:03:56excellent, they are peaceful people, uh.
00:04:00In parallel, however, I had heard about the
00:04:04remanded woman that she had issues previously with
00:04:08NGOs. Yes, we revealed
00:04:11that yesterday, Mr. Fotiadis, we have to conclude because
00:04:15we have breaking news. The
00:04:18incidents with emergency landings continue, unfortunately in
00:04:21Europe. Now we will go to Bucharest. George Tsoukalas, thank you very
00:04:24much for today. Let's find Nikos
00:04:28Lourdas. Let's find Nikos. From the newsroom, we had
00:04:32stopped at 11 incidents. Now we go to the 12th. In
00:04:35less than two hours, Europe is on
00:04:39alert. And from what we understand, Niko, we haven't
00:04:42finished. Yes, it seems so, and at this moment we are going
00:04:46to Romania, because according to the country's intelligence services,
00:04:49a flight from Milan
00:04:53destined for Bucharest, the capital of the country,
00:04:56Wiz Air, landed safely
00:05:00in Bucharest after a bomb threat. There are at least
00:05:0311 aircraft at this moment that we are counting that have received
00:05:07bomb threats, and we are receiving some information,
00:05:10Maria and Ari, that in
00:05:12Rome as well as in Czech Republic, in the four
00:05:15aircraft that also landed safely there, the
00:05:19authorities have not found anything disturbing so far,
00:05:22and everything so far is good, and if
00:05:26we add the incidents of the previous days, we are approaching
00:05:2927 from the
00:05:32previous days and 12 today, 19, in fact, they have
00:05:35exceeded 20. At least we are following it because continuously, guys,
00:05:39information is coming in for new aircraft. An indication
00:05:43of a hybrid attack that Europe is receiving, and Konstantinos Filis is already listening to
00:05:46us. Thank you very much, Nikos Lourdas. So we will start with
00:05:50Mr. Filis from this. It is
00:05:53one thing to have an incident that turns out to be a
00:05:56hoax, and it is another thing to have so many repeated
00:05:59incidents in less than two hours, Mr. Filis. Bucharest was, as
00:06:03you heard, the last one. What is this that we are experiencing
00:06:06now?
00:06:08We cannot yet judge, Maria, where it comes from. I imagine that
00:06:12there are a lot of pranksters together who decided to do it.
00:06:15Of course, we cannot rule out anything. However, in any case, if
00:06:19it is a coordinated action, that seems to be the case, but
00:06:22I repeat, let's not get ahead of ourselves until we have more information at our disposal.
00:06:26If it is a coordinated attack, it is yet another
00:06:29attack which is part of the logic of psychological
00:06:33warfare, that is, the logic of a war which changes
00:06:36the sense of security of the European citizen and also changes the sense of our
00:06:40daily lives, because to... fly by plane, to
00:06:44travel by train, to have electricity and water in our
00:06:48home and so on, are self-evident
00:06:51for most, if not needs, but
00:06:55a self-evident daily life of a free
00:06:58democratic Europe, of a free
00:07:02and not of an authoritarian
00:07:05large region, so to speak, isn't it, of
00:07:09a free Europe, yes, right, where these are
00:07:12settled issues, the free movement of people from one point
00:07:16to another point, of course. I believe that here, I repeat,
00:07:20if it is a coordinated action, we don't know where it comes from, we can assume, but
00:07:24we don't know, uh, we have another test of the
00:07:27Europeans' resilience. I remind
00:07:30you of earlier, not too long ago, uh,
00:07:33incidents where we had cyberattacks on airports,
00:07:36resulting in huge queues of people waiting up
00:07:40to two days to travel, uh. I remind you of the incidents with the
00:07:44drones that were found near European
00:07:48airports. The Poles, a few days ago,
00:07:51officially through their foreign minister, Sikorski, said
00:07:55that by mistake (put "by mistake" in quotation marks) two cruise
00:07:58missiles fell on Polish territory. We have
00:08:02similar incidents on railways.
00:08:05Therefore, this is an escalating, I repeat, if
00:08:09and only if it is a coordinated action, an escalating toward.
00:08:17And all this a few hours after the
00:08:20results of the midterm elections in the United
00:08:23States. To have the full picture, we will show two
00:08:26different shots now which are important. On the one hand,
00:08:30President Donald Trump dressed up,
00:08:33appearing to celebrate the progress of work on the new ballroom of the
00:08:37White House. Other things, that is, after all that has
00:08:40happened. And on the other hand, he... who
00:08:44posts his own manifesto, clearly
00:08:47attributing Trump's electoral defeat to the war with Iran
00:08:51and the government's inability to tell Americans
00:08:53about its economic policy, a war with Iran, forgive
00:08:57me, Maria, which war you didn't want from the very first
00:09:00moment, right? If we could, Mr. Filis, correct me if you have a different
00:09:04opinion, to put a title for Vans, is he heading
00:09:08full speed for 2028?
00:09:11Correct. I'll put an asterisk. We were saying yesterday on the
00:09:15show here together, and at noon, Maria, on the
00:09:18radio show, that Vans should distance himself from
00:09:22Trump if he wants to have a chance for 2028. We don't
00:09:25imagine he'll do it that quickly, of course. Yes, at this
00:09:29moment, Trump is, yes,
00:09:31of course, there's information that Vans gave his statement to Trump
00:09:35to read before he posted it, but either way,
00:09:39Trump at this moment is toxic, he is the... for
00:09:42any Republican candidate, because how can we judge
00:09:46this? Wherever he went and supported
00:09:49a candidate for senator,
00:09:52he failed miserably. So I imagine that from now on,
00:09:56uh, whoever wants to be very far from Trump, after all, he is also losing his
00:09:59influence in the Republican party. Therefore, Vans, and my
00:10:03asterisk, Maria, is this: If he judges
00:10:06that he has a chance of being elected, he obviously has the first
00:10:10say because he is vice president of the United
00:10:12States, uh, even over Rubio or anyone else. If,
00:10:16however, he sees that the situation is not good for
00:10:19him, he is quite young, he might not want to run in 2028.
00:10:23We will see about that, but his
00:10:26distancing yesterday shows, if nothing
00:10:29else, that he still intends to
00:10:33stand by for better or for worse. Rubio secured
00:10:37the photo from the Parthenon. He
00:10:40put it there and keeps it as a reserve for all
00:10:43occasions. He made it a reserve for all cases.
00:10:46Now, our words... uh, this is another
00:10:49story. Our thing is that it's a timeless good thing that
00:10:53whoever
00:10:55yes, it's global, and whoever comes takes a picture.
00:10:58A reserve, Ari, and he can even make that image a canvas. What
00:11:02I want to say is that Rubio is a little
00:11:06older than Vans, but he is not so old that
00:11:09we can say that he too could not run for
00:11:132032 and leave 2028. I don't know if in the
00:11:17end we will reach a point where one gives the baton to the other. Because
00:11:21they speculate that a defeat will come. However, at this
00:11:25moment, whoever wants to run in
00:11:282028, with current data, with good chances, will
00:11:32have to keep significant distance from Trump, who, since
00:11:35you conveyed the image from the White
00:11:39House, for now, for now, seems to be in his own
00:11:42world. However, because he is president of the United
00:11:45States, this may not last for too long, and
00:11:49I will ask you, Mr. Filis, because until
00:11:5328... a long period of time where
00:11:56Trump will be president, who I understand doesn't have many
00:12:00paths to choose from. One path is to
00:12:04choose to change course so that this
00:12:07term ends as painlessly as possible for him,
00:12:10while he has already suffered a very serious blow
00:12:14and is losing momentum internationally. It's not just
00:12:18these elections now that are very important at the present stage
00:12:21and conjuncture. And the second, because he is who he is,
00:12:25and we all know who we are dealing with, he might decide to go
00:12:28all in. This all in, of course, for all of us,
00:12:32for all the rest of us, causes terror.
00:12:36Yes, as we said yesterday, we cannot estimate what he will do, but
00:12:39we still have 26 months. You put it very well, Maria, 26 months
00:12:43of Trump. It's not just 24 in January 2029,
00:12:46God willing, the next president will be sworn in. So we have 26
00:12:50months of Trump, let's say 24 roughly until the next
00:12:54presidential elections in November 2028.
00:12:57Um, let me put it the other way, because I also cannot reach a
00:13:01conclusion. I will ask, I will answer by asking. Uh, Trump is
00:13:0581 years old. He has two years ahead of him. He has shown so
00:13:09far that he disregards Congress,
00:13:11he often disregards his compatriots, he disregards his
00:13:14advisors when his advisors give him advice
00:13:18he doesn't want to hear and so on. He is very stubborn, he is
00:13:22an undeniably shrewd person and he has two
00:13:26years ahead of him, two years which are the last years of his
00:13:29presidency, and I repeat, he is 81 years old. The
00:13:32estimation is, and with it the question, do we believe that
00:13:36he would not want to leave a stronger imprint in his own
00:13:39mind than he has already left in modern American
00:13:43history? That is, will the stamp he will put, Trump's political legacy,
00:13:46be a failed war in Iran, sanctions and anything else?
00:13:50This curses the Norwegians who don't give him, for this
00:13:53reason.
00:14:02You are right about that, Ari, I just want to say that precisely because he is not as
00:14:05successful as he himself portrays it, I estimate,
00:14:09Maria, that in the next two years he will try to make
00:14:13at least one spectacular move in order to be able,
00:14:16I repeat, based on his own standards, to go down in the history
00:14:19of the United States as an absolutely successful... More spectacular than
00:14:23what he has already done, you mean. Yes, of course, it could be a regime
00:14:27change in Cuba, and that might not be enough, but it would be a significant move
00:14:30after 1959 to change yet another regime besides
00:14:34Maduro. It would be to do something more with Iran, it would be to try to
00:14:37find a solution in Ukraine,
00:14:40not something different from Moscow's measures and standards. And let me add something,
00:14:44Maria, sorry, until January
00:14:462027, we have the same Congress, so there are
00:14:50about two months from today when Trump has the opportunity
00:14:54to... rush some developments. This
00:14:57whole analysis that Konstantinos Filis is making today about
00:15:01what lies ahead of us, with whatever uncertainty any
00:15:04prediction has at this stage, and we said it, is to send
00:15:08a tape or a CD
00:15:11to all those who here in
00:15:14Greece, if you removed the time frame they were discussing and
00:15:18removed the name Trump, they would talk and you would think they were referring
00:15:22to Winston Churchill. We are talking about this man, who has
00:15:25I say this because it also concerns those here, yes yes
00:15:31some right-wingers were happy when a right-wing
00:15:34president was elected in the United States.
00:15:44they were wrong because a right-winger differs from a right-winger.
00:15:48They landed on an elderly person with
00:15:51various characteristics,
00:15:54from greed. No, I say "elderly" in relation to Biden, because he pushed
00:15:58Biden, and he was also elderly. Two two Muppet
00:16:02Show, they were pushing each other. But the fact
00:16:05that the president proved to be a president with greed and
00:16:09with three close friends doing business for himself, every
00:16:12normal politician, whether right-wing or not, whatever they are,
00:16:16in any case, keeps, does not
00:16:19represent him.
00:16:21Concluding, may I say something? In my opinion, Trump
00:16:25has no ideology. He is an apolitical
00:16:29personality who often acts on instinct, who
00:16:33has very specific intentions and often personal ambitions
00:16:36that do not necessarily align with the goals and
00:16:39objectives of Americans. Therefore, let's not judge him. That is, Trump
00:16:43could have been a Democratic candidate in 2016. The fact
00:16:47that he took over the Republican party, because that suited him at that
00:16:50moment and was perhaps even easier for him, does not mean
00:16:54in my mind that Trump should be labeled
00:16:57right-wing, left-wing.
00:17:00He is conservative. I do have an observation on this, though. I simply
00:17:04remember that until now, in these two years,
00:17:07the Prime Minister of Greece was receiving
00:17:11criticism from various
00:17:14sides, and from the so-called "popular soul" camp
00:17:16and various things, but also from the left, that
00:17:20he had not re-established contact with Trump. I don't understand
00:17:23now, are we with Trump, should we be, should we not be? I know
00:17:27that for two years Mitsotakis was in the corner because they said
00:17:30he was with the Democrats and not with Trump. Prime Minister, to conclude, because
00:17:33we don't have any more time, unlike his ministers,
00:17:37he was very careful on this issue.
00:17:39Okay,
00:17:43Ari and Maria,
00:17:47let's just not forget, he might, I don't know what dangerous things Trump
00:17:50might do, but right now, Europe is
00:17:54at war with Russia. Europe is funding
00:17:58Ukraine for the war. Thank you very much, Mr.
00:18:18with you, Mr. Dialinas, with the latest development we
00:18:22had now, and we also hosted your colleague,
00:18:25Mr. Athanasopoulos, a little while ago, who
00:18:28represents the first family that
00:18:31decides to take legal action,
00:18:35to go to court, because... they too were victims
00:18:38of exploitation by these two alleged
00:18:41fraudsters, uh, the 38-year-old who
00:18:45is now with the investigator, plus his remanded wife.
00:18:49A family, Mr. Dialinas, because it is
00:18:51important, that has been trying to keep
00:18:55little Maritina alive all these last months, even
00:18:58now. These people
00:19:01not only lost their world, they lost the ground beneath their
00:19:05feet, but they say that stand up and we will be
00:19:08the first to claim our
00:19:11justice. Look,
00:19:15uh, so far, I, I, as I said, I gave my opinion
00:19:19before, you remember,
00:19:21uh, here it's not just scams and stories
00:19:25that they are accused of. For me, it's
00:19:28exposure, uh, certainly, and if
00:19:31it's congenital, may God grant the little girl many
00:19:35more days, uh,
00:19:38if something happens then I'm sure the
00:19:41charge against them will be upgraded. That is, it could
00:19:44reach the point where you have already made it for days here. In what
00:19:48sense, on what basis, Mr. Dialinas, explain it to us
00:19:51simply. Let me tell you very simply, uh, when
00:19:55I take money to give it to
00:19:58a family and essentially to
00:20:01allocate it for the health of the
00:20:04girl or the boy who has
00:20:08cancer and I don't do it, then
00:20:11on the one hand, I expose them to danger, which can result in
00:20:14their death, or if death occurs,
00:20:18then I can be accused of
00:20:21intentional homicide with possible
00:20:24malice, because while I foresee that this
00:20:28child without this money will not be able to
00:20:31afford expensive medicines, expensive
00:20:35therapies, beyond those provided
00:20:39by the state, etc., yes,
00:20:42then you understand that I fall
00:20:45into much more serious offenses that can even reach
00:20:48felony. Within the structure of this organization, Mr.
00:20:52Pakos, there was not, as it seems, another
00:20:56person who had a family relationship with the
00:20:59accused, who is your colleague. No criminal prosecution has been brought,
00:21:02but we are in a position to know that the Anti-Corruption
00:21:06Prosecutor's Office has taken over this specific
00:21:09case, and we will see how it proceeds. This person,
00:21:12I imagine we have the same opinion that if he knew all
00:21:16these things that were happening and did not report them, I assume that he does
00:21:20not belong in the force. Obviously, I also read it from
00:21:23the publications, because I don't have knowledge of the case file, and I don't want to have knowledge of the
00:21:27case file. Those who handle it
00:21:30and those who will process it to bring everyone to justice have it. If
00:21:34any police officer or other public
00:21:37official knew and it is proven that they knew,
00:21:40uh, it is not possible for us to say, "Me and you,"
00:21:44it will take its course, it will be prioritized, it is self-evident how many years
00:21:48this dismissal usually takes.
00:22:06with the criminal trial are two different things.
00:22:10That is, if I am accused of a
00:22:13felony and for an act which
00:22:16entails the penalty of dismissal based on the police disciplinary code, it is possible that
00:22:20the disciplinary code could lead to my dismissal, before,
00:22:23earlier, in the past,
00:22:26uh, there was a situation where the criminal case was tried
00:22:29first, we would wait for the criminal case to be judged, and then go to the
00:22:33disciplinary. Now they are two autonomous things. The disciplinary
00:22:37can dismiss you very early, after you are accused of a felony,
00:22:40after a charge of felony has been brought, and if in the end
00:22:43you are acquitted, you can take some actions within a year,
00:22:47that is, for all this you are describing to happen. It's
00:22:51possible, yes, simply disciplinary courts, because they are courts,
00:22:55also have a heavy workload very often, but in matters concerning
00:22:58penalties that entail dismissal,
00:23:01rather offenses that entail dismissal, they are two
00:23:05different trials. I will tell you simply so that you understand, the
00:23:09disciplinary is for the entire public sector, Mr. Pakos,
00:23:13or only for? We have our own disciplinary
00:23:15law, and it is special and very strict. I will tell
00:23:19you... so that people understand, if I steal a kilo of
00:23:23oranges, I might be acquitted in court
00:23:26because it is of negligible value, Mr. Dialinas can tell us, but in the
00:23:30disciplinary of the Greek police I will be dismissed. These are two different
00:23:33things that develop in parallel.
00:23:37Mr. Pakos, since we are talking about it, because at this moment, employees of
00:23:41public services are being investigated by the internal affairs for
00:23:45the other very unsavory case of
00:23:49Mr. Horiatiko and all the businesses in so many shops.
00:23:52Apart from the employees, heads of departments, heads
00:23:56of services from financial services here, your
00:23:59colleagues are also being investigated, and it seems they are not few for an
00:24:03island like Rhodes, where it is alleged that a 50-year-old
00:24:06woman was going back and forth in order to serve
00:24:10Giannakopoulos. I am waiting, because I am always
00:24:13cautious about these things, I am waiting to see the development
00:24:17of the whole case, not to justify or to condemn anyone. To know
00:24:20exactly what is happening, when such
00:24:24things come to light, excuse me, Mr. Pako, we have
00:24:27with our own plane, forced landing
00:24:30of the flight of Aegean Nicolourda, tell us where
00:24:34it was coming from, from Thessaloniki, kids, Aegean flight
00:24:37to Milan, landed
00:24:40safely at Malpensa airport and
00:24:44also another Ryanair flight
00:24:47from Porto also landed at... the same
00:24:50airport, both flights received a bomb threat, the
00:24:53authorities have arrived at the scene, they have entered
00:24:57the plane, the planes are empty, the passengers are safe and so
00:25:00far, according to the latest information, nothing has been found.
00:25:04It was Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki, Milan, the
00:25:08flight took place, it landed at its destination safely, but it also received
00:25:12a bomb threat. So far, guys, so we have reached
00:25:15today we are at the number of 13,
00:25:1814 at least.
00:25:24Czech Republic, Spain, Poland, now also
00:25:27flights, right, all these have
00:25:31started, for those who just turned on your
00:25:34TV sets, about two hours ago and we have one
00:25:37incident after another, it's happening massively as we understand
00:25:41Nikos, right, and we have information and
00:25:44other similar events in the previous days anyway, that is, generally
00:25:47in previous days, seven, we remind you, guys. Seven as far as
00:25:51airplanes are concerned have reached to hit even
00:25:54a blood storage area, that is, here
00:25:58it doesn't stop, that is, this
00:26:01system. I don't know if it's one or more than
00:26:04one, we don't know, we also have the story guys with the refrigerators and the
00:26:08refrigerators and on top of that comes the blood preservation refrigerator
00:26:12cases. Everyone the blood is lost, yes, and all these are
00:26:15after anonymous reports, as we understand, in all cases, Nikos,
00:26:19right, yes, yes, yes, right, no one has yet taken responsibility, they
00:26:23call and say a bomb has been placed in the tower, no one
00:26:26is going to take responsibility and the protocol that must be followed is
00:26:30exactly.
00:26:33Thank you very much, Nikos, we interrupted Mr. Pako while
00:26:37we were discussing not corrupt police officers, controlled
00:26:41police officers at this moment in all the circuits
00:26:45that are currently occupying the news, Mr.
00:26:48Pako. Unfortunately, what has been proven is
00:26:51that wherever there is a corruption ring, there is always a
00:26:54public official. Unfortunately. Many
00:26:57times there are also politicians. There are various things. We have seen a lot.
00:27:01So let's wait a bit. Let's see everything come to light,
00:27:04let's see exactly which public officials,
00:27:06police from other public services,
00:27:10will be prosecuted and for what reasons?
00:27:13Because the police have 55,000 people, other
00:27:17services also have thousands of people, five or ten cannot represent
00:27:21the whole, but unfortunately there are always some
00:27:24behind to see, a question without wanting
00:27:28to provoke you, to go to Mr. Diallina, and here I am
00:27:31not talking about any of the cases we have opened, but your experience, Mr.
00:27:35Pako, from such cases has shown, especially when we talk about the
00:27:39region, where societies are very closed and
00:27:42everyone knows everyone, that if
00:27:45there is, as you say, a tax officer from the
00:27:48area, two police officers below,
00:27:51the rest in the tax office and police department do not know
00:27:55that business is being done, let's say, with a very powerful businessman of the
00:27:58area, well, now I can.
00:28:02They know, sir, but I'll
00:28:06put this question differently, I'll put
00:28:09the question differently, I'll put it differently, is
00:28:13localism a problem, Mr. Pako, for the
00:28:17police and if so, how do you think it should be dealt with? No,
00:28:20no, I completely disagree, I'll tell you why,
00:28:23localism, I've been in Athens for 25, 26 years, I'm from
00:28:26Ioannina, if I served 25 years in Zografou, I would still have
00:28:30localism from Ioannina, so the problem is.
00:28:34Yes, okay, localism from Athens differs from Rhodes,
00:28:37of course, localism differs,
00:28:41due to the environment, I mean, the geography and probably the
00:28:45population, if there are serious control mechanisms
00:28:48and safety valves, you can do everything, Mr. Diallinas wants to say
00:28:52something, please, to conclude, come on, Mr.
00:28:55Diallina, Mr. Pako, with all, with all due
00:28:58respect, because I handled some such
00:29:01knows, but you know what
00:29:04happens, those who do them are powerful,
00:29:08they have powerful backing, they have powerful
00:29:11connections, and now the honest police officer says, and there are many of them, why should
00:29:15I get involved and suffer the consequences, and if he sees, Mr. Diallina,
00:29:18his commander, even if the commander, what can the
00:29:22poor man do, I had a case, I had such a simple one,
00:29:25when the head is corrupt,
00:29:29so I had it correctly.
00:29:42I hear the argument and we have discussed it and we have disagreed with
00:29:46Aris quite a lot lately that there must be a
00:29:49complaint, so I say it very openly that
00:29:53I understand that if the director of a
00:29:56tax office in Katerini, in
00:29:58Ioannina or in Rhodes is part of the system and
00:30:02the businessman, I who am at the cashier and stamp,
00:30:06it is impossible for me to go and report it, so we hit a wall
00:30:09again, this is what I am trying to explain for so
00:30:12long, eh, I hope now with the new frameworks that are being introduced and
00:30:16created, you said something, you mentioned a
00:30:19framework, Mr. Pako, that is, how would the system work to
00:30:22catch the case of Rhodes for example, before
00:30:26it developed to this extent, what should
00:30:29have been done, I think that. I agree with Mrs.
00:30:33Anastasopoulou, although we usually disagree, that here there is no need for a complaint,
00:30:37only if you see things, if
00:30:40police authorities or judicial
00:30:43authorities see strange things, I think
00:30:46they can start, I think I am not, I am
00:30:49not an expert.
00:30:52and without complaints.