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00:02:48So, here we are with the kids. I wanted to say, here we are
00:02:52in the office with Mr. Thanasis. I also wanted to sing the
00:02:55song that Michalis plays. You were torn. I was torn. I didn't know what to do. In the end, I
00:02:59did nothing. I said both, so, Nefeli, we were
00:03:02left with the very complicated family
00:03:06relationships of the Trump dynasty, a complicated
00:03:10man. They're not a dynasty yet. Two generations don't even have to pass.
00:03:13Look, it's two generations. Now we're going. Think
00:03:17about it. His father was a very well-known
00:03:20businessman,
00:03:21a big one,
00:03:26with tens of millions, hundreds of millions, he wasn't.
00:03:30So, I finished with the firstborn, Donald Trump
00:03:33Junior, and just so you understand the dynamic, let me tell you that
00:03:37when Ivana, Donald Trump's wife, told him, "Since it's a
00:03:40boy, the first child, we'll name him Donald Junior," he said,
00:03:44"And if he's a loser, what will we do? A loser will have his name?
00:03:47A stupid loser?" This is so you understand how he sees
00:03:51things. From then on, he saw them that way. From then on. And
00:03:55we move on to the daughter. For people like
00:03:57Donald Trump, children are not
00:04:01a place where I can give my love, receive love,
00:04:04raise a person. They are
00:04:07like a car. They have to be
00:04:10a certain way. I don't think there's a heart where it should be. I don't think
00:04:13there's a heart in there, yes, I don't know, yes, it has
00:04:17other things, yes, that's what I want to tell you, it's not the child, it's my continuation.
00:04:21It has to represent me. It has to continue what I do
00:04:25and not something else. So all these are given to
00:04:28such people. Okay, if you see, because we know how
00:04:31he grew up and how his own parents were, you understand
00:04:35him. You don't understand him, you understand why he reacts like that, because of the pattern.
00:04:38Others grew up in such environments and
00:04:42became people
00:04:42later.
00:04:47Or Ivanka, to whom he says, "My son has turned out like this, now
00:04:50the daughter. Mom was Ivana, the daughter is Ivanka." Kids, he
00:04:54adored his daughter. People who
00:04:58were coming in and out of the house at the time describe
00:05:02that from the time she was a baby until she was a teenage
00:05:05girl, a grown-up girl, he
00:05:08had her on his lap and caressed her, kissed her, he was
00:05:11tender, because he wasn't. He was not a tender person at all, so any
00:05:14display of affection towards his daughter was strange and everyone
00:05:18observed it with surprise, but generally this
00:05:22weakness often reached points of, ah, I have a way to
00:05:25describe it to you, I will let Donald Trump speak in an
00:05:29interview, he talks about his daughter, I want to hear him.
00:05:49Yes, it's a bit sick, he said it well, it's not the only comment he's
00:05:53made, generally he focuses a lot on her appearance, he's
00:05:57very proud of her appearance, when she enters
00:06:00rooms,
00:06:03she's his daughter, a father doesn't constantly deal with his daughter's appearance
00:06:07in this way, here we go again, ah, okay, let's
00:06:10move on, eh.
00:06:20From very early on, she learned to handle this weakness or at least to
00:06:24communicate, not
00:06:26successfully, not correctly, meaning she knew how to
00:06:29approach him, how to ask for what she wanted, how to make what
00:06:33she wanted acceptable to him, she
00:06:36manipulated him, there wasn't that, that competition that
00:06:40existed and exists with the boys, so he knew
00:06:43how to communicate with him, he's the only person that if she
00:06:46calls him, he'll pick up, even in his
00:06:50difficult moments, and at the same time, according to those who have
00:06:53dealt with it and written his biographies, he's the person who
00:06:56betrays him very easily, and a characteristic
00:07:00example is when he lost the elections,
00:07:03Ivanka and her husband were among the most
00:07:06favored, they had institutional roles,
00:07:09money, access, as
00:07:12soon as he lost, she was the first child, Ivanka,
00:07:16who said, "Dad, you lost, goodbye," and tried to
00:07:20do damage control for her own
00:07:22family. Yes, she had no sensitivity
00:07:26towards an elderly father who, after all,
00:07:29is going through a very difficult phase. They say that she might
00:07:32be the most cynical person, even more cynical than Trump, who is incredibly cynical.
00:07:36There's someone even more cynical, and that's his daughter. He
00:07:40understands and appreciates that.
00:07:42Only with Kushner? Yes, yes, a marriage that Trump didn't
00:07:46want at first, she changed
00:07:49religion, no, because he thought his daughter should be with
00:07:53a very famous basketball player, a Hollywood
00:07:56star. Ah, he had a weakness and he said it, not in an interview,
00:08:00but in a story. He told me, he had
00:08:04expressed his admiration for my daughter. Kids,
00:08:08what's his ex-husband's name? I don't remember
00:08:11names, Gisele's.
00:08:18And he had said, "And I told him, 'Well, why didn't you tell me sooner before
00:08:22I gave her to Kushner?'" That is, well,
00:08:26he preferred, usually fathers prefer the
00:08:29businessman. No, no, well, the other one has immense
00:08:32wealth. He didn't want him for his wealth. He wanted him for his beauty
00:08:35and beauty and his stature, considering that
00:08:39she is beautiful and he is handsome.
00:08:42Aryan blood to have beautiful children, but Kushner is not
00:08:45ugly. Why did he change his religion? She
00:08:48changed because he is of Israeli descent and
00:08:52is of Jewish origin. Did she work anywhere else or only in her dad's
00:08:56businesses? She started with her dad's
00:08:59businesses, also favored provocatively in his businesses,
00:09:02unlike the boys whom he downgraded and made them do
00:09:06various things, and then she decided that she knew everything, so she could
00:09:09become a businesswoman and launched her own
00:09:19beauty pageants, she did a lot and returned to her dad,
00:09:22she dealt with his pageants,
00:09:25she was president, her dad, and then not president, owner, I think,
00:09:29owner and in and presenter as
00:09:31owner, I don't remember, then she took over, she entered her
00:09:35dad's reality show, she became co-producer, co-presenter,
00:09:39they have done a lot together, eh.
00:09:43Mutual dislike with Melania, and perhaps the
00:09:46only person Donald Trump doesn't care about what Melania
00:09:50says, because Donald Trump listens to Melania and is a little afraid of her,
00:09:54we've said it before, we haven't been able to explain it exactly, but his daughter is
00:09:58above all, and every time she returns, not the prodigal son, but the
00:10:01prodigal daughter, it's as if she never left him, as if she never abandoned
00:10:05him, so he has a weakness for her, anyway, which is not explained
00:10:08by mutual dislike for Melania, yes, Melania for her.
00:10:33I'm talking about the first term, he said his daughter can't have
00:10:36this office, he asked assistants to take her things out of the office,
00:10:40she went back in, they were putting in and taking out things, it was
00:10:43one with some vases, ah, the vases were with Trump, with Trump,
00:10:47no, no, I don't know that, I don't know, yes, eh,
00:10:50Ivanka, Ivanka, due to this special relationship with her
00:10:54father.
00:11:04There was never doubt in my mind that I was his top
00:11:08priority and that he was available to me, so I used to call
00:11:11him from the pay phone at uh at
00:11:15Shapen, it was in a broom closet and never once
00:11:18did he not pick up and sometimes his office would be filled with people
00:11:22of um, you'd be in the middle of deal.
00:11:41her public image, if we want to believe it. So let's go to the third
00:11:44one. Now let's go to the third son, the third
00:11:47child, second son, kids, I don't have much to tell you about this
00:11:51poor Eric, who is 42 years old, he was preceded by the
00:11:55first son and then the daughter, his weakness. He almost
00:11:58forgot him, he existed, he did
00:12:00his part, he is the third and last child that
00:12:03Donald Trump had with Ivana. So, he had a great
00:12:07weakness for his mother, his father never cared
00:12:11about him, he considered him
00:12:14untalented, he didn't do very well in school,
00:12:17Donald Trump found this very embarrassing, so what
00:12:21did he do? He learned to be observant, to watch.
00:12:25And to copy the father he adored from a distance. This one has
00:12:28a beard and that one is clean-shaven, yes, completely, and he also changes his
00:12:32glasses, he changes his glasses, yes, he looks like his dad, a lot,
00:12:36and he also looks like his sister, if you see him, you'll understand. What does he do?
00:12:40Well, he was involved from the beginning until the end, he hasn't changed, he hasn't
00:12:43dared to do anything else, with his dad's businesses, whatever his dad
00:12:47gave him, he did it, but they say he's
00:12:51the most capable entrepreneurially, because he observed.
00:12:56He learned, he learned, he learned, he never complained, and now he has become an
00:12:59entrepreneur, and in fact, he is the one who makes money for the
00:13:03family and has taken on all the projects and all the
00:13:06business now that his dad is busy,
00:13:10and we go to the second daughter, so let's go
00:13:13to the second marriage, ah, since Ivana's cycle
00:13:17is closing, his first wife, and we talked about the three
00:13:20children, do you want to hear her talk about Donald Trump as
00:13:23a father? what kind of mother were
00:13:26you? i was very strict but i was loving, i
00:13:29love my kids. you right, i believe the credit for raising such great
00:13:33kids belongs to me. full credit, full credit.
00:13:37don't was on the telephone making the deals. he was loving father, don't
00:13:41get me wrong, and he was a good provider, but he was not the
00:13:44father which would take a stroller and go to the central park or go
00:13:48play to baseball with them. that was only until they
00:13:52were about 18 year old, he could communicate with.
00:14:20his money and time generously and freely, his
00:14:24time.
00:14:27We finished with the first marriage and we go to the second.
00:14:31Donald Trump divorces and marries an
00:14:34actress, Marla is her name,
00:14:38Maples, this marriage didn't last long, in reality he didn't want to
00:14:41remarry and had a daughter, Tiffany. If
00:14:45he wanted to remarry, why did he marry now, and you too, he himself has said
00:14:49that this marriage was a mistake and I think that his opinion
00:14:53about the mistake also affects his relationship or his
00:14:57feelings for his daughter. This daughter is as if she doesn't
00:15:00exist. Specifically, a
00:15:03biographer says that Donald Trump has publicly said that
00:15:06she is a burden, that he often forgets her and
00:15:10has to be reminded that since all his children are around,
00:15:13we must also call Tiffany, and he himself looks for
00:15:17a few seconds confused, who is this Tiffany they are
00:15:20referring to? They have no relationship, they have spoken
00:15:24very few times in their lives beyond the formalities, and the
00:15:27poor girl has accepted that her father is who he is. But I see her talking about
00:15:31Trump, meaning she also
00:15:34tried to get into the brand, she's also
00:15:37in the brand. The one who put her in the brand is
00:15:41the first daughter, because she has good relations with Ivanka,
00:15:44the first one. I want to ask if she has at least some
00:15:48relationship with her other siblings. Ivanka, as you said, you said something about her public
00:15:52speech, she is, and I said before that she is cynical, so
00:15:55she knows that it is very important for the family to be
00:15:58united, strength in unity, to appear so, so
00:16:02Tiffany must also be in the Trump brand.
00:16:06Do you want to hear a much younger Trump speak? He is
00:16:10still married in his second marriage and he speaks, he has just had
00:16:13Tiffany, she is a baby. This is in the
00:16:1790s, 90s,
00:16:21Tiffany is 33.
00:16:24what does tiffany have of yours and what is tiffany have of
00:16:28mal? well i think that she's got a lot of moral and
00:16:31she's really beautiful baby and she's uh she's got
00:16:35um
00:16:42I just want to say that he's talking about a here, he's
00:16:45abnormal, I'm sorry to say it, I mean, he talks about his children's
00:16:49breasts and legs for a baby, he's talking about a little girl who is
00:16:5312 months old, however, he sees women only
00:16:56according to their external appearance, meaning if a woman doesn't have the
00:17:00appearance he wants, he doesn't care, okay, that's one part, what
00:17:04his children are, well, obviously he doesn't feel paternal. He feels
00:17:08that he's talking about a woman, he's not talking
00:17:11about, okay, in the first one, that he would go on a date with my daughter,
00:17:15he didn't, you don't say that, he has said other things
00:17:19about Ivanka, he has said two or three such comments, he has
00:17:22made them publicly about her legs, he said
00:17:26she is a beautiful girl, but you don't,
00:17:29anyway, you don't focus on specific body parts
00:17:33of your daughter, yes, but that applies to all women, okay, a bit more than his
00:17:36children, but for all women, he sees them that way, yes, I think he sees them that
00:17:40way, yes, he doesn't see them as babies. So, we finished with his second marriage,
00:17:44let's go. What can we say about the poor girl? I told you that
00:17:47Melania said she's more boring than sleep, eh, that
00:17:51Donald Trump has said, "I can't stand to hear her speak, she reminds me of her mother."
00:17:54No, you didn't tell us that. Oh, I didn't tell you that. Yes, eh, anyway,
00:17:58she was talking, has she written any books? No, no, they're keeping an eye on her so she doesn't
00:18:02write one. No, so they've put her to do
00:18:06election campaigning too. All the children and Donald Trump is
00:18:09below, they tell him, "Tiffany is going to go up now." Come on,
00:18:13man, she talks, she talks, the sweetie, she says how wonderful her
00:18:16father is, my dad will save America, now this is witnessed, that's
00:18:20why it's in a book, and he turns and says, "But I can't stand to hear this
00:18:24woman speak, she's exactly like her mother, and I couldn't stand her mother."
00:18:27You see about the dislike he has for her mother, that
00:18:31woman whom we should remember he married, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:18:34So let's go now to the last son.
00:18:40I mean, I want to say, he's Melania's, he's Melania's, she raised
00:18:43him more European because she's from
00:18:47there, but Donald Trump accepted him from
00:18:51a certain age onwards and he is perhaps, he says, his only child
00:18:54that he admires and that he speaks with pride about his
00:18:58intelligence, about his character, about his presence. But before
00:19:01we go to the adult, do you want to see and
00:19:04remember Melania, Trump? And a baby
00:19:08Barron wandering around.
00:19:11goodbyes
00:19:14okay okay what are you going to
00:19:18remember no drugs no
00:19:21alcohol
00:19:24no cigarettes no tattoos i don't ever want to see tattoos
00:19:27on you His older children have also said
00:19:31what he used to tell them. This is his catchphrase. Okay,
00:19:35drugs.
00:19:37We can't blame him for this, he has also lost his brother to alcohol, that's
00:19:41also it. So, um, with Barron,
00:19:45he accepts him, he seems to like him, and I know
00:19:48it's strange to talk about a father's feelings as liking,
00:19:52but because he sees his children that way, there's already a distancing,
00:19:56he seems to like him, not be bothered by him, like to have
00:19:59him around, he likes that he reads, he is
00:20:03thoughtful, he says, he is smarter than my older children.
00:20:07Again, Tiffany, he
00:20:09has taken her height, he forgets Tiffany,
00:20:13he is smarter than my older children, he refers only to the three, Tiffany
00:20:17does not exist, and generally he believes that he can do a lot, he introduces him to
00:20:20various businessmen, friends, and always promotes him, they
00:20:24say that if Trump looks like a father, a proud
00:20:28father to any of his children, this is the only one,
00:20:31in fact, this is the relationship, he also has grandchildren, he doesn't have many grandchildren, well, many grandchildren, he has
00:20:35one likeable one.
00:20:50Well, yes, of course, he
00:20:54communicates because they play golf, so he has something to say with the other kids, yes,
00:20:58it's possible, there are, there are those who it's perfectly explained. So,
00:21:01this one also goes to a good job for the
00:21:10is taking legal action by filing a new request to the
00:21:13Supreme Court of Los Angeles against two lawyers
00:21:17who manage the estate of
00:21:21the foundation that handles her father's assets and intellectual property.
00:21:24I should remind you that when he died, all this,
00:21:28I'll tell you, when Michael Jackson died, there were debts, and
00:21:32when we talk about debts, we're talking about 500 million in debts. Now
00:21:3617 years have passed since his death, and the debts have turned into
00:21:40over 2 billion
00:21:42in profits, profits, revenues. So they turned it
00:21:46around, they turned it around. They were in debt, but
00:21:50he also had assets, meaning there were songs,
00:21:53there were millions of works of art, and
00:21:56works of art, I mean, yes, there were debts, but there were also
00:21:59assets. Yes, things are never simple when we're talking about
00:22:03such stars, such
00:22:04legends.
00:22:07And with Elvis Presley, exactly the same things had happened. What happens when
00:22:10Michael Jackson died? There was this
00:22:14trust, there was this
00:22:15lawyer,
00:22:18uh, John Branca, who was by Michael Jackson's side for many
00:22:21decades, here we see him. They had a personal friendship, they were best
00:22:25men and they said, we will do our
00:22:28best with the estate and we will create a
00:22:31trust for his three children, so depending on
00:22:35the income we will have, money will be put into the trust and
00:22:39his mother separately, because his mother who is alive
00:22:41is also there. Years pass, money
00:22:45multiplies, things are going well and Paris
00:22:48Jackson says, we are not seeing the money we should, while
00:22:52you, John Branca, who are just the administrator, you
00:22:56live lavishly, you buy one mansion after
00:22:59another, you have a private jet,
00:23:02you pay off the credit cards and debts
00:23:05of your entire family, with my
00:23:08money. So, this is the mansion,
00:23:12here with children, the point is that Michael Jackson used to live
00:23:16there, but we're talking about a person who
00:23:20had identified his career with that of Michael Jackson, we're not talking about a
00:23:23random person who influenced him, and the person who was behind his
00:23:27very important decision to buy the rights to the Beatles, he was
00:23:31the one who orchestrated it all. So, everything will be judged
00:23:35in December, specifically on December 4th, the
00:23:38trial will take place, and Paris Jackson is asking for
00:23:41600 million to be transferred to her and her
00:23:44siblings now. Not everyone agrees, I'll tell
00:23:55a 20-year-old scandal returns
00:23:58to Vanity Fair and implicates a
00:24:02man we know, who wants to become the next president of the
00:24:06United States with the Democratic Party. What did he do 20 years ago? He betrayed
00:24:10a friend and fell in love with every stone you lift, you
00:24:13see it.
00:24:17So, commercial break and we'll be back.
00:24:20See you soon in the studio at
00:24:223.
00:24:28On the couch with us, Eleni
00:24:30Panopoulou.
00:24:37Paris Jackson is claiming a larger share of her
00:24:41father's estate, accusing the administrators of Michael Jackson's
00:24:44estate of living a luxurious life
00:24:48at her expense and her
00:24:51siblings'.
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