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00:00:00No matter how small,
00:00:02Ukrainian President Zelensky, he is ultimately we listen, explore, investigate, research,
00:00:08all found that this
00:00:08and linking it to the crisis in and discuss, striving to highlight what was missing from the details
00:00:11path to mend the rift in of the picture. The explorer on the screen of Syria TV.
00:00:36There is a gradation in this of Foreign Affairs in the sixties of
00:00:42more experience, and perhaps do not have this
00:00:42and making this served in the ministry
00:00:45team, and this also applies to Foreign Minister Asaad Al-Sheibani issued a decision to appoint
00:00:48Muzna Al-Atrash as an advisor for peace affairs in
00:00:51but this does not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Al-
00:00:53mean that we attack this Atrash, who hails from Suwayda Governorate, holds a
00:00:57degree from the Higher Institute of Dramatic Arts.
00:01:00And a degree in media. She also served as a member of
00:01:03the Syrian Women's Advisory Council affiliated with the United
00:01:07Nations. Muzna Al-Atrash was one of the figures
00:01:11who attended a session dedicated by
00:01:14the Security Council to hear testimonies regarding
00:01:18the events in the coast and Suwayda last
00:01:21year.
00:01:32this appointment can For discussion with me, Dr. Ahmed Touma, politician and academic from Damascus. Welcome. And with me
00:01:35Bassam Al-Amadi, former
00:01:38of the seriousness of the situation in Syrian ambassador to Sweden, directly from
00:01:41Rome. Welcome, Mr. Bassam. I will start with Dr. Ahmed. So,
00:01:45way or another of the former regime. She was in the appointment of an advisor to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for
00:01:49peace affairs. What does this position mean at the beginning? What is its nature,
00:01:52Dr.
00:01:57an awareness from of building bridges with the community in diploma in Ahmed? It is certain that we are in dire need of
00:02:00peace,
00:02:03yes, I will answer you about them. Yes, they are among influence and impact in and every step that brings us closer to
00:02:04to what extent can this appointment peace in Syria,
00:02:07and especially if there is a problem in
00:02:10working abroad or in Suwayda, then that reinforces this idea. We
00:02:14want
00:02:20and experience and ability to be an advisor, even if she was in a country and a civil state for all its people, where all components and colors meet,
00:02:25file. There are many players when that depth in and from different segments.
00:02:27Bassam. Don't And if it happened in of times. I mean, this the past.
00:02:32competent authority or the competent department in From the difference of opinions that resulted in a significant
00:02:35escalation in positions, then if
00:02:39a deep background in there is a possibility to cool these positions through
00:02:42Suwayda is part of the appointment of a peace ambassador,
00:02:46extensive experience in uh-huh, from the unified Druze
00:02:49community, then this
00:02:51I do not know. Do you think that will certainly be a positive thing, especially if this
00:02:55personality, as you mentioned in the introduction, was from
00:02:59the Women's Council, from the
00:03:02United Nations team, uh, this gives her an additional
00:03:06status, even though she was historically
00:03:09known to have positions that
00:03:13perhaps do not fit with
00:03:16a former Syrian ambassador in the greatness of her age. We will get to these positions, but you indicate
00:03:18that Syria is most in need of peace, and you linked it to the Suwayda
00:03:22file. But do you think the name or the
00:03:25description indicates the function you mentioned?
00:03:29I mean, she is an advisor to the Foreign Minister for
00:03:32Peace Affairs, so to speak, in general. If it was as
00:03:36you say, the description should have been Advisor to the Foreign Minister
00:03:40for Suwayda Affairs, shouldn't
00:03:42of Foreign Affairs, since its establishment in it?
00:03:46Let me say that the matter is general, and it
00:03:48takes a large aspect from the
00:03:51moral side, as it is most likely
00:03:56related to loyalty. Here there is no that this appointment will reflect positively on the issue
00:03:59of Suwayda. And since
00:04:02doesn't the the matter has been linked to peace, and certainly I believe that my sister
00:04:06will play external roles in the
00:04:09this arrangement must peace story, and this is what the title indicates, in addition
00:04:13to the fact that she can be a link
00:04:16or a bridge between
00:04:19our brothers in Suwayda and
00:04:22the authority in Damascus, especially since she is from the
00:04:25Al-Atrash family, and this also strengthens the status
00:04:29everyone in of dialogue and meeting between the parties. I
00:04:32look at this appointment positively,
00:04:35problems that exist and we hope that it will result in something
00:04:38better, and if this is reinforced
00:04:42with other
00:04:44of her age is to civil peace, has a relation. additions, with other appointments, with other understandings, then we in
00:04:48Syria are in dire need of each other. Well,
00:04:53can result from such ambassador for childhood, an ambassador, I mean, along the state of coolness, the state of tension and pull, cannot remain indefinitely.
00:04:56We want a solution, and we believe
00:05:00that the time has come to start with such solutions.
00:05:03Uh-huh. Mr. Bassam, from theater
00:05:08nominations start from to present all points of view here in and media and the Higher Institute of Dramatic Arts to the Syrian Foreign Ministry. What do you think of this
00:05:12appointment, according to what my guest Dr.
00:05:16Ahmed also mentioned regarding the issue of Suwayda
00:05:30opinion. I do not want to give a personal opinion or a personal judgment. No, I am asking about your
00:05:34professional opinion.
00:05:36I will give it to you after the professional discussion.
00:05:39Usually, an advisor in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
00:05:43as is customary since the establishment of the Ministry
00:05:47the last century, is appointed
00:05:50after having
00:05:53as an ambassador in multiple missions
00:05:56and has a specific specialization. For example, let's say the socialist
00:06:00countries previously, or the Western
00:06:02countries, or the United States, or the United Nations, or international
00:06:06organizations. When he returns from his missions
00:06:09and is referred to retirement, and...
00:06:12He has a good reputation and a
00:06:16good reputation regarding professionalism, he is appointed
00:06:18as an advisor in the Advisory Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
00:06:22This is what was followed until the fall of the regime. Nothing changed.
00:06:26Even when the Ba'ath came and Bashar came
00:06:29and others came, it remained as it was in the professional situation.
00:06:33Now, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there are
00:06:35two levels. The first level is the political
00:06:38level. Usually, the minister is responsible for it.
00:06:43The second level is the technical level, or
00:06:47let's say the technocratic
00:06:50level. The directors of departments and the minister's
00:06:53deputies are responsible for it, between them and
00:06:56the minister. Now,
00:06:59we do not know what are the qualifications of the lady
00:07:02you mentioned, or the young lady who has a
00:07:07cinematic sciences, a university degree in media from Al-Hayat
00:07:10Al-Jadida University, also has
00:07:21Yes, so I do not know the
00:07:24other capabilities because these capabilities do not qualify her to
00:07:29the Women's Council. This means, and it seems that
00:07:33her age does not give her
00:07:36the issue she will be working on. In any case,
00:07:39the advisor must give the minister. And the
00:07:45the matter, what experiences they do not have.
00:07:48I mean, it is true that Minister Al-Sheibani does not have
00:07:52diplomacy, but despite that,
00:07:55the advisor must have
00:07:59the work in which he will be consulted. Therefore,
00:08:04this criterion was not followed in the appointment of other advisors in the foreign ministry
00:08:08because there are many advisors, I mean, in European
00:08:11affairs? American affairs, perhaps, I mean, Jihad
00:08:14Makdissi is a special case due to his previous experience, but I did not find
00:08:18that this criterion, which you refer to, Mr.
00:08:22Bassam, I mean, especially regarding the issue of the advisor
00:08:26previously being an ambassador and then becoming an advisor after that.
00:08:30This was not adopted in other cases.
00:08:33Why is it adopted now? This is also a question.
00:08:37Unfortunately, your words are 100% correct, and your question is
00:08:40also 100% correct. But,
00:08:42Minister Al-Sheibani has a special way of organizing the Ministry
00:08:46of Interior, excuse me, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and ambassadors
00:08:49and embassies. He follows a special order that is completely different from what
00:08:53other foreign ministries follow, whether in appointing directors
00:08:56of departments or in appointing ambassadors. And as you mentioned,
00:09:00Jihad Makdissi is perhaps the only
00:09:03exception among the advisors.
00:09:07Someone listening to us now from Syrians might say, who said that the criterion that the
00:09:10regime used to follow previously is the criterion that should be followed? I mean, why
00:09:15new
00:09:17state create its own criteria?
00:09:19Do you want us to reinvent
00:09:23the wheel? The wheel exists,
00:09:26and all countries follow it. I mean, it is a purely
00:09:29technocratic and purely professional
00:09:33matter. Why does a doctor work
00:09:36as a doctor and an engineer as an engineer, and the work does not
00:09:39overlap between them? I mean, each one has his specialization. Why, in diplomacy,
00:09:43does a person come from an unknown
00:09:46background at all in diplomatic work and is called
00:09:49an ambassador or chargé d'affaires or director of administration? I mean, this work
00:09:53will lead to utter failure, utter
00:09:56failure, I mean, clear failure. The work
00:09:59requires professionalism. You cannot bring anyone and tell him,
00:10:03tell him, work as a doctor or an engineer or a diplomat.
00:10:07I mean, diplomatic work may be difficult to discover
00:10:10except after a long time, after it becomes clear.
00:10:13I will try
00:10:19the discussion. But also, for example, we have exceptions even in Western
00:10:23models. I mean, when we talk about, for example,
00:10:27from art and cinema and became president
00:10:30of a country. Good question. I will also
00:10:34tell you the reason. In other countries, there is
00:10:37an institution that runs by itself, I mean, without anything, but
00:10:41the minister comes to give the final political
00:10:44decision, while the technical matter is handled by
00:10:48the ministry, as I said, the minister's deputies, department directors,
00:10:51and others. Then the minister comes to give his political opinion,
00:10:55political guidance. In Ukraine, it is true that the president
00:10:58is present, but he has enough advisors and
00:11:02institutions to run the country. I mean, he does not run
00:11:05the country alone. Certainly, he has a working
00:11:10embassies. Embassies usually have a diplomatic
00:11:14team that handles affairs. The ambassador only provides
00:11:17political guidance. There are administrative and technical matters that
00:11:21the new ambassador, who has not worked in diplomacy, cannot
00:11:25know. And also the minister. The minister previously, I mean, we had
00:11:28ministers recently who were professionals, but the ministers
00:11:32who were not professionals had what was called the Secretary-
00:11:36General of the Ministry, and then there were deputies for him who
00:11:40did the professional technical work. But
00:11:43now the minister himself does not have diplomatic experience,
00:11:46and the deputies and directors do not have experience,
00:11:50and the advisors. If we confine
00:11:53the discussion to the possibility of what
00:11:57achieve regarding peace in Suwayda, don't you think
00:12:00it is a somewhat legitimate choice, especially
00:12:04since she is from Suwayda, Ms. Muzn Al-Atrash,
00:12:07from the Al-Atrash family, an ancient family that
00:12:10has considerable popularity within Suwayda, this family I mean,
00:12:13and therefore, can't this constitute
00:12:17a contribution to the possibility
00:12:20Suwayda? You mentioned two points.
00:12:24The first point regarding
00:12:27Suwayda, this is true, but this
00:12:30is not in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, because the Ministry of Foreign Affairs requires
00:12:35missions or in diplomatic work, and here the matter
00:12:38is different. It does not require influence, and it does not require
00:12:42it requires professionalism
00:12:45deal with it. It has become a regional file, I mean, it is no longer just a domestic
00:12:50we talk about Jordan, we talk about Israel.
00:12:53True. Players. We talk about Jordan, we talk
00:12:57about the United States, we talk about Israel. I mean, this is what the roadmap
00:13:01approved in Amman also says. Yes, but for
00:13:04Syria,
00:13:07civil peace, not peace in the sense
00:13:11that applies to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, external peace with other
00:13:14countries. As for the issue of Suwayda, it is internal
00:13:18civil peace, and it has nothing to do with an advisor in the Ministry
00:13:21of Foreign Affairs. She should have been appointed an advisor in, for example, the Ministry
00:13:25of Interior or any other ministry, but in the Foreign Ministry, this work
00:13:29is related to international work and not to civil peace.
00:13:32Dr. Ahmed, what do you think of what Mr. Bassam said? I mean, he
00:13:35expressed his opinion from a professional standpoint, given that he was also
00:13:41Sweden. Please, Dr. Ahmed.
00:13:44Let me say that some of what our
00:13:47brother Mr. Bassam said is true,
00:13:50but
00:13:52it is not absolute that the title of advisor or the position
00:13:56of advisor is given to a person who has progressed in this
00:13:59matter from a small employee to a senior
00:14:02employee. Not at all. So what about
00:14:05when he is a peace advisor?
00:14:08A peace advisor has specific tasks,
00:14:12including mending fences, including creating
00:14:15positive relationships with
00:14:19the international community and with the local community. And I have seen that
00:14:22many football players
00:14:25have become peace ambassadors in their countries
00:14:28and for major international organizations. Then
00:14:32the statement that
00:14:34be as known through, I mean, representatives
00:14:38for peace in the United Nations organization. Often, the matter is different from
00:14:42the context in which we are talking. No, not at all.
00:14:46No, no, I do not agree with you on this criticism.
00:14:49I say specifically a peace advisor
00:14:52has certain characteristics. Aiming to mend
00:14:56fences, aiming to bring hearts together. And he can be
00:14:59a personality
00:15:02who has no direct relation to politics, but has a relation
00:15:05to peace, has a relation
00:15:09He is not called an advisor, excuse me, Dr. Ahmed. His name is rapprochement of views.
00:15:12Excuse me, he is called an ambassador, for example, a United Nations
00:15:17these lines, but he is not appointed an advisor
00:15:21in, I mean, in a ministry.
00:15:28Please. No, I mean, I don't at all.
00:15:30The advisor, the advisor is not
00:15:33exclusive to personalities who move
00:15:36to this position. Specifically, the advisor,
00:15:40because whoever has a sound mind in a certain
00:15:43file, he is, by Arabic linguistic
00:15:46definition, an advisor, and he can be consulted. So what
00:15:50about considering that Ms. Muzna, and not in her defense,
00:15:54belongs to
00:15:57Suwayda and comes from a prominent family, respected by
00:16:01her people, and this appointment may lead
00:16:04to positive results in case
00:16:09the file in Suwayda itself is resolved. I say that if the
00:16:12results of this appointment will lead to improving
00:16:15conditions and bringing views closer,
00:16:19appointment a white point through which we reach
00:16:23everyone. Everyone wants to solve it in Suwayda, but my guest's
00:16:26concern is that she was appointed an advisor in the Ministry of Interior,
00:16:30excuse me, I mean, we are talking about an advisor in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. No, no,
00:16:33not at all.
00:16:36You know that the Suwayda file the Minister
00:16:39directly handled it, and the agreement that
00:16:42took place in Amman a few
00:16:44months ago
00:16:47regarding Suwayda made it within the powers of the Ministry
00:16:51of Foreign Affairs, and therefore saying that making her in the Ministry
00:16:54of Interior, and it is not embarrassing to appoint
00:16:57other advisors in other ministries,
00:17:00but regarding this appointment, I personally do not
00:17:04find it embarrassing. Then I want to say. Even
00:17:08regarding the position when considering the previous
00:17:11positions of Ms. Muzna Al-Atrash, you referred to them at the beginning of the discussion,
00:17:15and I do not want to forget this idea. It seems that she also had
00:17:18positions that were supportive in one
00:17:22the media system of the former regime.
00:17:25This opens a question about the criteria
00:17:28as well, Dr. Ahmed.
00:17:31Okay, I will say again, um,
00:17:35please answer this point. These points were, by God,
00:17:41the points that are held against her and also against
00:17:44whoever made this decision in this way, that this woman
00:17:48with her history has the following points, but
00:17:52if the naming of this situation is for a higher interest for the
00:17:56state, from here you take this angle, but let me
00:17:59go back to an idea I wanted to talk about in detail.
00:18:03The idea that the only condition to become an advisor
00:18:06is to be hierarchical, as the Syrian
00:18:09regime used to do. The Syrian regime used to previously confine
00:18:12all
00:18:15these groups of employees from his own group
00:18:19and promote them until they reach
00:18:22the rank of advisor within
00:18:25a single path that
00:18:27he leads. Therefore, it is not permissible
00:18:31to cite in
00:18:33a point like this point by saying
00:18:37that we should follow the previous approach. Then
00:18:41who said that
00:18:44ambassadors, as well as heads of international
00:18:47missions, all came through
00:18:51the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? This is Tom Barrack, he has nothing to do
00:18:54with it, neither closely nor remotely, with the hierarchical
00:18:58matter in the Ministry
00:19:00of Foreign Affairs. Rather, he is a businessman chosen directly by the President
00:19:04to deal with problematic files if we want to. He doesn't think so.
00:19:12He used to work, I mean, he worked
00:19:15for a long time on electoral matters. No, no, he has, I mean, he is not connected
00:19:18in any way, but he also has, I mean,
00:19:21experience in election campaigns and so
00:19:24on. But Dr. Ahmed, excuse me, I mean, this appointment specifically
00:19:28seems to have caused controversy among Syrians. I mean, we were
00:19:31talking about some appointments
00:19:34loyalty. Excuse me, listen to me, Dr. Ahmed. I mean, there
00:19:37is a history, perhaps close to the regime, in one way or another. Competence,
00:19:41my guest Dr. Ahmed says there is no competence. This raises a question about
00:19:45the criterion that was adopted here. What
00:19:48is it for Suwayda? Okay, but what is the criterion?
00:19:52Fine.
00:19:55Fine. The claim that she is not competent is clear from her
00:19:59work within her specialty. It is clear that she is
00:20:02competent in her specialty. And by the way, she is
00:20:0540 years old. So the claim that she is not experienced and not
00:20:09intelligent, 87,
00:20:1087.
00:20:14Okay, okay, I mean 40 years or close to that, and
00:20:17that is an age of maturity in intellect, and therefore criticizing her because
00:20:22not the place
00:20:24for criticism. What I want to get to is what are
00:20:27the benefits that
00:20:31an appointment,
00:20:33and without denying that appointments should be
00:20:37more prudent, more
00:20:39mature, and that every issue should be studied separately,
00:20:43so that
00:20:46nominations leading to appointments.
00:20:50But if the nominations
00:20:52and appointments are from experts who
00:20:58path is the right
00:21:01the country, to find a point
00:21:04between us and our Druze brothers, and perhaps this
00:21:07appointment will have a positive effect on the international
00:21:10level, so that it is said that there has been inclusion
00:21:13of the Syrian society with its various colors. Then how
00:21:17can a personality
00:21:20that was
00:21:22personalities
00:21:24Dr. Ahmed, personalities from Suwayda who want a solution
00:21:28for Suwayda, perhaps have
00:21:32history that we are talking
00:21:33about?
00:21:36Okay, and we want people like these people,
00:21:43appointment just
00:21:47because she has been
00:21:51appointed on this basis. I repeat, we want appointments
00:21:54to be disciplined,
00:21:56for personalities with high practice,
00:22:00personalities that possess excellent intellectual
00:22:03qualifications. All of this is required, and this is what
00:22:06the approach of the entire Syrian state should be.
00:22:10But to say that a certain incident
00:22:13is made the basis for all appointments, despite
00:22:17the fact that, by the way, I repeat, I agree with Dr.
00:22:20Bassam in some of what he presented, and he
00:22:23is right in what he said. So we do not want to
00:22:27underestimate and deny his right to
00:22:31express his point of view and benefit from the proposals
00:22:35that can be presented if there is a
00:22:38correction to this path that we want to be
00:22:42ideal. Uh-huh.
00:22:46Okay, Mr. Bassam, do you have a comment,
00:22:51and in your opinion, actually be built upon?
00:22:55You're laughing.
00:24:12personally. I spoke professionally.
00:24:15Dr. Ahmed, of course, has the freedom to express
00:24:19his opinion, but I mean, he mentioned some things
00:24:22that are not absolutely correct. I did not talk
00:24:26about the regime's situation or what the regime was. I said the Ministry
00:24:32the sixties, even after Bashar and his father
00:24:36before him took over, the ministry remained on this pattern, the international
00:24:39pattern, the international pattern followed in
00:24:42all foreign ministries. So if the regime followed
00:24:46it, it does not mean that we should turn against it just because it was
00:24:50during the regime's time. This is one. Two, not all
00:24:53employees or ambassadors were henchmen
00:24:57of the regime. Therefore, I personally left the ministry
00:25:00two years before the revolution and separated from the ministry
00:25:03and resigned from the ministry. I mean, not
00:25:06everyone was, as you mentioned, Dr. Ahmed, but it was, and I was, you
00:25:10know, in the coalition. I mean, we all worked in the coalition
00:25:14and worked in the revolution. Therefore, not
00:25:19the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was from the regime's
00:25:21group. There is a completely different matter. There are
00:25:25rules of work, rules of work that were followed
00:25:28by everyone. This is what I want to say now,
00:25:31that the rules regarding advisors are not only
00:25:35hierarchical, but the main point is that they must
00:25:37have the professionalism and sufficient experience to provide
00:25:40advice.
00:25:43Secondly, or thirdly, football
00:25:46players and others are called peace ambassadors,
00:25:50not peace advisors. And there is a big difference.
00:25:53A peace ambassador does not work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and performs
00:25:57non-protocol duties that have no meaning whatsoever
00:26:01regarding the work of the state. As for the advisor,
00:26:04he has an office and provides advice
00:26:08to the ministry, and this requires experience and professionalism. Therefore,
00:26:11I said that some also make distinctions between
00:26:14an advisor for peace affairs and an advisor for civil
00:26:18peace affairs. Can you clarify the matter for us, Mr.
00:26:20Bassam? Yes, regarding peace,
00:26:24especially in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it is a matter that
00:26:27relates to relations with other
00:26:31with whom we have problems
00:26:34or a breakdown in diplomatic work or hostility, etc.
00:26:39matter. As for the issue of civil peace, this relates to
00:26:42internal affairs, and I do not think that appointing a personality like
00:26:46this lady will make a big difference. I mean, there were
00:26:50personalities from from
00:26:54Suwayda governorate who had great influence in the opposition
00:26:57and also had relations with Al-Hijri
00:27:00and with the current authority in Suwayda,
00:27:04regardless of the fact that it is illegitimate, but they have
00:27:07relations with the state and they have relations here, and it was possible
00:27:11to benefit from appointing them. And I mean, I don't want to
00:27:14give a personal opinion to Ms. Marina because I don't
00:27:17know other things related to
00:27:20her diplomatic ability or what she wants to give
00:27:24or what she has to give in terms of advice. I only know
00:27:27that she does not have long or even short
00:27:31experience in the field. The step itself, I mean,
00:27:34creating this position in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, doesn't it reflect awareness
00:27:38and understanding
00:27:40southern Syria, specifically
00:27:43after the repeated and continuous daily Israeli
00:27:46violations, after what also happened with Jordan?
00:27:50Today there is talk that there is a real Israeli
00:27:54threat to southern Syria. There is talk about maps,
00:27:57and therefore, doesn't this reflect
00:28:00the state of the seriousness of the situation, and therefore
00:28:03this position was created and this appointment was made for a lady
00:28:06who also seems to have good relations with Jordan and Kurdistan
00:28:09Region, or so her resume says?
00:28:12My dear sister, the situation regarding
00:28:16Israel and its plans requires much
00:28:19more work than just appointing a peace advisor. I mean,
00:28:22there is much more work than that, hundreds
00:28:27appointment, as Dr. Ahmed said, may be
00:28:30to entice or appease, etc., but for it to have
00:28:34a major professional impact, I doubt that. I do not want to
00:28:38give a personal opinion on this matter, but I doubt
00:28:42that because when such a matter is presented
00:28:44to me, I look into the background of who was appointed
00:28:48as an advisor. Does he have sufficient experience to work in this field or not?
00:28:51No, the sufficient experience. Of course, I don't mean chronologically.
00:28:55I don't mean that he must be an ambassador. I was talking about what
00:28:58I, as an opponent of your opinion, believe, that he has no experience. Okay,
00:29:02in conclusion, I want to make room for a final
00:29:05comment from Dr. Ahmed. Please, Dr.
00:29:08Ahmed.
00:29:11Well, our dear sister,
00:29:13Brother Professor Bassam's proposal, and I don't deny his merit
00:29:16and his role in the Syrian revolution and his good
00:29:19history, this is
00:29:21a different matter. I want to say, well, if
00:29:25we brought in an advisor from the Hijri group and from outside
00:29:29the ministry, wouldn't this contradict what he was proposing
00:29:33that the advisor should be hierarchical
00:29:36and that he should progress in
00:29:39the ministry until he reaches this position?
00:29:42The bottom line is that the advisor's hierarchy is not
00:29:45necessary. I said experience, and I didn't say
00:29:49hierarchy. I mean, you're repeating the word hierarchy. I didn't say it.
00:29:53I only said experience.
00:29:55I mean the progressive employee
00:29:58who progresses from the beginning of his entry into the ministry until the moment
00:30:10the moment I want to get to is that the word advisor
00:30:13does not necessarily mean an administrative position or
00:30:17a consultative position in the sense of absolute consultation,
00:30:20but rather it is a position that combines the ties
00:30:24of kinship,
00:30:27the ties of affection between the components of the people.
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00:30:33Also, regarding resolving difficult
00:30:38on the ground. This is the basis of this story, and we
00:30:41estimate that this appointment is a political
00:30:45appointment with social
00:30:48backgrounds, with a background of major, difficult problems now,
00:30:51especially after the Jordan crisis.